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Cjeremy635
10-08-2007, 02:37 PM
OK, guys/gals.......when is the trade deadline? Did it already pass? Here's a scenario and I don't know how feasable it is or whether or not it may work. (This may have already been discussed on this board, if so please erase this thread.) If, and I know it's a big "IF", we can get our receiving corps back that we started the season with and they are 100% healthy, would it be possible to trade Andre Davis to a team that has a need for a WR and in turn get a valuable RB to help our ground game? I don't know who would be interested, if anyone, or who would be willing to trade a RB away at this time. I think that we need some serious help on the ground to even out the yardage and really keep defenses honest. Thoughts, if any?

bah007
10-08-2007, 03:05 PM
I'm not positive but I think the trade deadline is after week 6.

Cjeremy635
10-08-2007, 03:07 PM
I'm not positive but I think the trade deadline is after week 6.

Thanks, I'm not sure what it is either. Sounds about right though IIRC.

bckey
10-08-2007, 03:34 PM
Trade deadline is October 16th.

Carr Bombed
10-08-2007, 07:43 PM
Andre Davis has more value to our team than any runningback were going to get for him. The guy might actually be able to develop into that #2 we've been waiting for.

ATXtexanfan
10-08-2007, 07:49 PM
Andre Davis has more value to our team than any runningback were going to get for him. The guy might actually be able to develop into that #2 we've been waiting for.

my thoughts exactly

NitroGSXR
10-08-2007, 08:07 PM
Andre Davis has more value to our team than any runningback were going to get for him. The guy might actually be able to develop into that #2 we've been waiting for.

Understood but I also don't expect him to keep it up. He's had an injury plagued career thus his value will never be higher than it is right now. I'd be a seller with the condition of our team. Midseason and comfortably filling in for Andre Johnson skyrockets his value. Then we can say that we're flush. We have a #1 WR for sale. Why not either? He filled in for Johnson admirably. Teams have needs and they're willing to pay for them. We've got Walter and Jones to be our number two. We're fine at WR and if we were to trade, Andre Davis is our biggest bargaining chip.

I'm not pushing us to trade Davis. I'll be fine with keeping him. Just trying to see if I can lay out a better sense of what Davis' trade value would be at this point.

Joe Texan
10-08-2007, 08:08 PM
Chiefs might trade

BattleRedToro
10-08-2007, 08:47 PM
Chiefs might trade

Who would they offer, Priest Holmes? :user:

imatexan
10-08-2007, 09:44 PM
I want a running back more than the next guy but trading a WR is the worst thing we could do, especially him.

Scooter
10-08-2007, 10:03 PM
if we were going to trade anybody, i'd put gado, kevin walter, and jerome mathis (unless we cant because of IR) on the block.

NitroGSXR
10-08-2007, 10:22 PM
if we were going to trade anybody, i'd put gado, kevin walter, and jerome mathis (unless we cant because of IR) on the block.

But everyone knows they're worthless (except for Walter) but his trade value is low). We need a viable running back and they come at a premium. Let's try to be realistic when we throw out scenarios. I do not think the three of them could get a running back.

Scooter
10-08-2007, 10:31 PM
But everyone knows they're worthless. We need a viable running back and they come at a premium. Let's try to be realistic when we throw out scenarios. I do not think the three of them could get a running back.

i'm full aware that the three of them are all but useless, they're the only players i could come up with though that MIGHT garner any name recognition. mathis had a probowl appearance and a return TD this year. gado might get a little press because of showing up 2 years ago with green bay, and walter came into the season as our #2 (not much of a feat). i dont expect any kind of trade coming however, just chiming in.

the only backup that i think would be worth anything in a trade would be sage rosenfels, but we dont have anyone behind him that we could move up.

Napa Auto Parts
10-09-2007, 12:30 AM
may be we can offer our 1st and 3rd from next year's draft for AP.:cowboy1:

BigBull17
10-09-2007, 12:40 PM
i'm full aware that the three of them are all but useless, they're the only players i could come up with though that MIGHT garner any name recognition. mathis had a probowl appearance and a return TD this year. gado might get a little press because of showing up 2 years ago with green bay, and walter came into the season as our #2 (not much of a feat). i dont expect any kind of trade coming however, just chiming in.

the only backup that i think would be worth anything in a trade would be sage rosenfels, but we dont have anyone behind him that we could move up.

You absolutly do NOT trade Sage. I know he is "only a back-up", but he is invaluable. He is one of the few untouchable. Not correcting you, but making a statement before anyone else gets the idea. Davis will most likly be our #2 after everyone is hea;lthy because hes earned it.

HJam72
10-09-2007, 12:51 PM
I don't think we should let Sage go either. We do that, and I bet Schaub goes down for a at least a few games that will be automatic losses.

TexanAddict
10-09-2007, 02:02 PM
not that davis hasn't been good for us, but he's certainly no andre johnson, doesn't have the physicality or the size of a good possession reciever like walter, and doesn't have the game-changing ability of a jacoby jones. i think aj and k-dub are untouchable. a lot of people don't respect walter's game but he does everything right when his number is called. his best shot is probably taking out jones, but i doubt kubiak/smith are going to let anything get in the way of jj becoming a star.

what a'davis IS, is a fast guy with good hands, and a great mentality. and he's still fairly young. maybe he stays and is quality depth, or maybe he moves on...but i don't think he's a part of the plan long-term wise.

Not that I don't like Walter, but what has he offered in games thus far this year that Davis does not? Walter runs good routes and gets open...so far all I've seen is Davis running good routes and getting open. Walter goes over the middle...Davis has made big plays over the middle in traffic the last few games. Walter is good for a first down...when Davis makes a catch of over 30 yds it is more than likely also going to be a first down. Walter blocks fairly well in the run game...I have not witnessed this part of Davis' game myself. Walter is quick, but not fast...Davis still has some speed.

So from what I've noticed, Davis can do much of what Walter can, except perhaps the blocking aspect. And if Dayne is the one running the ball, there is no need to worry about picking up the block outside because he will never get there. There is really no reason to say that Davis could not start opposite Johnson when he comes back. Walter would do well to work out of the slot in three receiver sets, where he would have the best mismatches.

badboy
10-09-2007, 03:21 PM
With the way Our players have been dropping like flies, I'd hold onto Davis and see how he does. Speed is hard to teach and he has hung on to the ball this year. He has shown he can go across the middle if necessary. We have little invested and if he continues to light it up all year, we make him an offer. Their are enough plays to run JJ, AJ and Davis at WR. We need a RB but not enough to give up AD's 20.5 avg. He can easily be a 100 yds per game player. I do not see any trades that will bring you a 100 yds rusher.

Goldensilence
10-09-2007, 04:18 PM
While we do need RB help I like Keeping Davis and have our WR corps set up for a while. He's really stepped up when we needed him to and I hope that plays on Kubiaks thought process when AJ and JJ get healthy. I also like how witha healthy Davis we really don't have to press JJ into the starting lineup and that time can help polish him off into a great WR.

I like Walter...I like his attitude, work ethic, godd hands, solid route runner, reminds me more of Wayne Chrebet then McCaffery.with the Mathis Injury looks like he'll be jettisoned at the end of the year. So i really like the idea of keeping Davis around.

brickman
10-09-2007, 04:25 PM
I say to stay put and let things fall out this year. Let's face it... we're improving, but bringing in another RB is not going to allow us to win it all this year. I say we sit tight and make a run for Michael Turner in the offseason.
We're making progress and the injuries have been tough, but lets not throw our future away. Pickup Michael Turner and address O-Line and CB in the draft.

BigBull17
10-09-2007, 07:01 PM
totally agree

totally disagree. not that davis hasn't been good for us, but he's certainly no andre johnson, doesn't have the physicality or the size of a good possession reciever like walter, and doesn't have the game-changing ability of a jacoby jones. i think aj and k-dub are untouchable. a lot of people don't respect walter's game but he does everything right when his number is called. his best shot is probably taking out jones, but i doubt kubiak/smith are going to let anything get in the way of jj becoming a star.

what a'davis IS, is a fast guy with good hands, and a great mentality. and he's still fairly young. maybe he stays and is quality depth, or maybe he moves on...but i don't think he's a part of the plan long-term wise.

All Davis has done is do things right. He was inactive for 2 games and then steps in and doesnt miss a beat. He has given us a little spark when we needed it the most and is the best weapon we have on offense not wearing #80. Walter will work as #3 and Jones can come in and give a little here and there while returning kicks, but Davis has overwelmingly wooed me into believing he is our #2 for this year at least. Hes also fairly young and could catch hold for s while.

Thorn
10-09-2007, 07:12 PM
With the way Our players have been dropping like flies, I'd hold onto Davis and see how he does.


Bingo!

As fans of the Texans, we should all appreciate what quality depth can do for your team (recievers), and what happens when you donít have it (safetys, linemen, corners, RBs). We should NOT be trading away good skilled players at this time, as frankly, we just donít have that many.

Weíve got some holes to plug on this team, sure, but I think we could easily plug two of them next off season which is enough to put us in wild card contention. Then we plug a few more the next year and go for the gusto.

PapaL
10-09-2007, 07:39 PM
This is kinda interesting; link (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=AnocXE1Lwi.1FU1JY7I9YZKG2bYF?slug=jc-vikingsmoore100907&prov=yhoo&type=lgns):

Sources: Vikings expected to trade Moore

...Still, Minnesota has asked for a third-round pick for Moore, who was originally a fourth-round pick in 2004 and showed flashes of potential in his first two seasons. The Vikings are currently hoping the Bucs will give in to desperation or that a few other teams, such as the Denver Broncos, Houston Texans or Green Bay Packers, end up in the bidding for Moore....In Houston, Ahman Green missed the game Sunday against the Miami Dolphins with a bruised left knee and is out indefinitely.

PapaL
10-09-2007, 07:54 PM
5th round pick for Moore? I'm not really feeling him though.

Here's his stat line, link (http://www.nfl.com/players/meweldemoore/profile?id=MOO557284)

Career Stats more
Season Team Rushing Receiving Fumbles
G GS Att Yds Avg Lng TD Rec Yds Avg Long TD FUM Lost
2007 2 0 10 71 7.1 17 0 6 48 8.0 20 0 -- --
2006 16 0 24 131 5.5 15 0 46 468 10.2 50 1 3 1
2005 16 8 155 662 4.3 33 1 37 339 9.2 29 2 2 1
2004 10 3 65 379 5.8 33 0 27 238 8.8 26 0 -- --
TOTAL 254 1,243 4.9 33 1 116 1,093 9.4 50 3 5 2

The1ApplePie
10-09-2007, 08:11 PM
Maybe trade a bust D-lineman for a safety that doesn't do anything?

Maybe we can get a special teamer for TJ

J-Russ
10-09-2007, 10:07 PM
Tatum Bell is on the block too, maybe we're interested in him...

steelbtexan
10-09-2007, 10:38 PM
Tatum Bell or Ciatrick fason would be an upgrade @ R.B.

The1ApplePie
10-09-2007, 11:15 PM
Didn't Bell suck in Denver's system? If you can't run in the NFL with your entire line taking cheap shots at opposing players knees every play, you can't run in the NFL

drewmar74
10-09-2007, 11:47 PM
Didn't Bell suck in Denver's system? If you can't run in the NFL with your entire line taking cheap shots at opposing players knees every play, you can't run in the NFL

I thought the knock on Tatum Bell up in Denver was that he fumbled a lot.

Maybe I'm remembering that wrong, but I could swear that was the rub on him.

BigBull17
10-10-2007, 12:02 AM
I dont know, at least Dayne will not fumble. But if we got 4 yrds a carry and a little playmaking from the possition, it would almost be worth a fumble here and there. We just get 0 from it. Its hard to win with nothing from a pretty important position.

threetoedpete
10-10-2007, 02:13 AM
Not that I don't like Walter, but what has he offered in games thus far this year that Davis does not? Walter runs good routes and gets open...so far all I've seen is Davis running good routes and getting open. Walter goes over the middle...Davis has made big plays over the middle in traffic the last few games. Walter is good for a first down...when Davis makes a catch of over 30 yds it is more than likely also going to be a first down. Walter blocks fairly well in the run game...I have not witnessed this part of Davis' game myself. Walter is quick, but not fast...Davis still has some speed.

So from what I've noticed, Davis can do much of what Walter can, except perhaps the blocking aspect. And if Dayne is the one running the ball, there is no need to worry about picking up the block outside because he will never get there. There is really no reason to say that Davis could not start opposite Johnson when he comes back. Walter would do well to work out of the slot in three receiver sets, where he would have the best mismatches.



ah blocking. I don't know why you guys dislike Walter so much. Amazing. Cried for four yeras to get some decent depth behind J.A. and as soon as we get it, you guys wanna trade it away. And for what ? So we can start the process all over again ? Just be glad that we have what we have.

I doubt this is going to happen. When the coach evolkes Easy Ed McCafferty's name when comparing a guy (Walter) to what he thinks he brings and will bing to the team....that there thingy, your trade preposal, is DOA.

And I tell you something else they're not going to draft another one next off season either.

I am amazed at your logic. We have a crapy running back therefor give up on the expolsive run ? Remind me again who had the longest rush vs Carolina ?

PapaL
10-10-2007, 07:51 AM
Bell is a major fumble machine. So much so that one renamed their fumble drill the Bell Drill. (It was a team they played recently - overheard it on the telecast)

TexanAddict
10-10-2007, 10:02 AM
ah blocking. I don't know why you guys dislike Walter so much. Amazing. Cried for four yeras to get some decent depth behind J.A. and as soon as we get it, you guys wanna trade it away. And for what ? So we can start the process all over again ? Just be glad that we have what we have.

I doubt this is going to happen. When the coach evolkes Easy Ed McCafferty's name when comparing a guy (Walter) to what he thinks he brings and will bing to the team....that there thingy, your trade preposal, is DOA.

And I tell you something else they're not going to draft another one next off season either.

I am amazed at your logic. We have a crapy running back therefor give up on the expolsive run ? Remind me again who had the longest rush vs Carolina ?

Sorry to burst your bubble, but if you actually would have read my post, you'd see that it wasn't proposing a trade of Walter at all. Or any trade for that matter. I actually said I do like Walter, but think he would be better suited for the slot. I was responding to a post that stated Davis couldn't or shouldn't start opposite AJ. My point is that Davis should be starting opposite Johnson once he returns, with a shot at Dayne thrown in for good measure, based on the fact that he can do everything Walter can do, but with the addition of speed. When you fly off the handle over something that was not even remotely stated, it makes it seem like you have no idea what you are talking about. Read it again.

badboy
10-10-2007, 12:01 PM
Maybe trade a bust D-lineman for a safety that doesn't do anything?

Maybe we can get a special teamer for TJTravis Johnson is having a good year and has already put one QB out for the season. He has done more on accident in this regard than Mario or Okoye :doot: has on purpose and you want to trade him for a special team guy?