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Nighthawk
10-07-2007, 07:37 PM
Any running back. How hard is it to understand that we might actually need two capable RBs? One to be hurt and the other to work?

Jeez.

Maddict5
10-07-2007, 07:44 PM
Any running back. How hard is it to understand that we might actually need two capable RBs? One to be hurt and the other to work?

Jeez.

if only we had drafted reggie bush lol:gun:

Hervoyel
10-07-2007, 07:44 PM
Jonathan Wells could do better than this. Wali Lundy could do better than this.

I wonder if Darius Walker could do better than this?

I'm almost starting to wonder if Tony Hollings could have done better.

I know Green coming back will make a big difference but I also can't ignore the fact that one bad play can put us right back here again. We need another effective running back.

Runner
10-07-2007, 08:30 PM
Jonathan Wells could do better than this. Wali Lundy could do better than this.

I wonder if Darius Walker could do better than this?

I'm almost starting to wonder if Tony Hollings could have done better.


Don't forget Morency.

drewmar74
10-07-2007, 08:33 PM
Don't forget Morency.

Dude, you beat me to it. I was watching Green Bay and Chicago and Morency is playing a lot.

He's showing some serious wheels and just playing a good game. Even saw him have a nice blitz pickup a series ago. And I'm thinking to myself "I don't care about the system argument. I don't care if they thought he danced to much. Morency isn't a world-beater, but the kid has wheels and we got screwed on that trade."

Marcus
10-07-2007, 08:34 PM
Does the offensive line get a pass in all this?

Don't hit me now. I'm just askin.

PapaL
10-07-2007, 08:37 PM
Does the offensive line get a pass in all this?

Don't hit me now. I'm just askin.

We won't know until a capable RB is back there. Be it a healthy Green or a new #2 guy. All I know is that has passed the ridiculous stage. I seriously doubt that if we cut Dayne tonight that there would be a single suitor out there ready to sign him.

drewmar74
10-07-2007, 08:38 PM
Does the offensive line get a pass in all this?

Don't hit me now. I'm just askin.


Nah. I don't think they get a pass at all and it's a very fair point. But its like the old David Carr v. O-line argument.... which is it? The RBs or the O-line? I do think that losing McKinney hurt us pretty badly.

But Dayne and Gado have looked really, really bad. I swear, I think Dayne has an inner ear infection that is killing his equilibrium. That's the only way I can figure a running back that big can fall over that easy.

Runner
10-07-2007, 08:41 PM
Does the offensive line get a pass in all this?


Not from me. Schaub looks like a superior quarterback and covers a lot of their mistakes, but he can't cover them all. Mistakes are still mistakes, covered or not, and they make more than an average line (IMO). They have 2-3 strong positions, but they aren't a strong unit, and I for one never expected them to be this year.

The Texans "he used to play for Kubiak" left tackle and "he used to play for Sherman" center have a marked resemblance to their "he used to play for Kubiak" running back and "he used to play for Sherman" back-up running back.

Next to the injuries to Green and Dre Johnson, those personnel decisions are hurting the offense as much as anything else.

I don't think they get a pass at all and it's a very fair point. But its like the old David Carr v. O-line argument.... which is it? The RBs or the O-line?

Both.

dalemurphy
10-07-2007, 08:55 PM
Any running back. How hard is it to understand that we might actually need two capable RBs? One to be hurt and the other to work?

Jeez.


count them:

1. Ahman Green
2. Chris Taylor

see, the problem is they are both hurt.

give me a break with the morency thing, too... he's been out injured all season and I just saw him run off the field hurt again. that's why they got rid of him.

GP
10-07-2007, 08:59 PM
Not from me. Schaub looks like a superior qursterback and covers a lot of their mistakes, but he can't cover them all. Mistakes are still mistakes, covered or not, and they make more than an average line (IMO). They have 2-3 strong positions, but they aren't a strong unit, and I for one never expected them to be this year.

Our "he used to play for Kubiak" left tackle and "he used to play for Sherman" center have a marked resemblance to our "he used to play for Kubiak" running back and "he used to play for Sherman" back-up running back.

Next to the injuries to Green and Dre Johnson, those personnel decisions are hurting the offense as much as anything else.

You and I have had our sparring sessions, runner.

But your post on this issue is perhaps the best post I have read from anybody on either board, in perhaps the past month.

Kubiak is a GREAT QB COACH, but he needs to take a seat when it comes to evaluating running back talent. He's 0-and-Forever thus far, IMO. Dayne is a crutch he's been using for too long, trying to grind out 3 yards in the run game to survive juuuuuust enough to get his QB a chance to run play-action.

And swapping Morency for Gado was 100% the wrong thing to do. I was opposed to it then, and I'm opposed to it now. The two backs are night-and-day..it's almost as if Kubiak thinks Gado is a speedier, smaller version of Dayne. Yeah, now THAT'S how you trip up a run defense, Kubiak: Put a shiftier Ron Dayne out there. I would use a smiley that shows me throwing up in my mouth a little bit, but I can't find one.

So, "Thank You" Kubiak for getting us to 3-2...but we'd probably be 4-1 and possibly 5-0 if we had a run game. AND...perhaps Schaub is even more valuable than we know--I think he's single-handedly saving Kubiak's bacon right now. The way Schaub is pulling rabbits out of his helmet on clutch pass conversions, when the D is down his throat because there's no run game to keep blitzers honest, is amazing to say the least.

I'll say it again, like I said in my "Jonathan Wells?" thread: Sign running backs to 3-game contracts and turn them over like McDonald's employees until you find one that sticks.

But "sticking" with medicore guys that bailed you out this time last year is not a good long-term plan. At some point, it's going to catch up with Kubiak.

Runner
10-07-2007, 09:01 PM
give me a break with the morency thing, too... he's been out injured all season and I just saw him run off the field hurt again. that's why they got rid of him.

I don't think they got rid of him because they knew he would be hurt in the future.

At least he can gain yards when he's healthy. When Gado is healthy, Kubiak is likely to play fullback Cook at running back ahead of him.

Hook'er
10-07-2007, 09:01 PM
Too bad we were not able to get Bennet, last offseason!:texflag:

Spled
10-07-2007, 11:45 PM
Dayne got the touchdown when we needed it and kept the defense honest. What we need is Dre back to stretch the defense.

Allstar
10-08-2007, 12:28 AM
Dayne got the touchdown when we needed it and kept the defense honest. What we need is Dre back to stretch the defense.

Davis caught the deep ball to set up the first down and goal on the two yard line. It took Dayne 4 tries to get 2 yards. 0.5 yards a carry when we "needed it" isn't exactly keeping the defense honest. But I totally agree that we need Dre back.:ok:

Spled
10-08-2007, 12:32 AM
That's has to do with our offensive line as well. When you score only 1 touchdown you have to respect the guy who got it in there.

brakos82
10-08-2007, 12:33 AM
Paper or plastic? :shades:

Vinny
10-08-2007, 12:42 AM
Morency has the ability to make people miss...he has some wiggle. Let's just face it...it was a miserable trade. The good news is that we'll live.

SF49erFaithful
10-08-2007, 01:05 AM
Morency has the ability to make people miss...he has some wiggle. Let's just face it...it was a miserable trade. The good news is that we'll live.

Maybe you got the short end of the stick, but it wasn't miserable. Miserable is like Washington throwing away a 3rd at TJ Duckett last season....:elmo:

Nighthawk
10-08-2007, 01:12 AM
I also can't ignore the fact that one bad play can put us right back here again. We need another effective running back.

This is EXACTLY the point.

Specnatz
10-08-2007, 04:04 AM
Morency has the ability to make people miss...he has some wiggle. Let's just face it...it was a miserable trade. The good news is that we'll live.

At the bar tonight I said Dayne is auditioning for Dancing with the Stars for the musically challenged.

Malloy
10-08-2007, 05:45 AM
Just an observation. The times that Dayne actually gets some yardage is when he's not waiting for the blocks. Whenever he waits, call it hesitate if you want, he is too slow to get going and ends up being tackled at the line.

Waiting for blocks and holes are fine for smaller, faster and swiftier (?) backs, but With the Dayne-Train, he needs to get to full power asap and keep going.

Dayne might not be the perfect back, but I believe that if he's utilized in a way that compliments his upsides, he'll be producing much more for us.

PapaL
10-08-2007, 06:03 AM
Unfortunately we have a one cut and go system. Our current RB's seem unable to neither make the one cut nor get the go part down. Green did seem to be doing well though.

Texans Horror
10-08-2007, 08:40 AM
The team is based on the run game and Green's prowess in the cut-and-go system. Without him in the backfield, the Texans are going to have a very long season.

real
10-08-2007, 09:28 AM
Both.

It was more Carr than Line.

real
10-08-2007, 09:30 AM
Our RB's are awful...

I'd rather have Lundy and Morency than Dayne and Gado...


Dayne and Gado's biggest problem is their lack of vision...

The1ApplePie
10-08-2007, 12:43 PM
Blame Kubes for spending a ton of money on an injury prone and washed up Green and using more to sign the king of Busts and Buffets Dayne.

If Green was still a dominate player, I would think the Pack would actually try to resign him instead of relying on Morency and two rookies.

Duckett, Jamal Lewis, and Bennett were all FAs this year.

TexanAddict
10-08-2007, 01:39 PM
Here are my thoughts on Ron Dayne:

He shows no urgencey or burst when taking the handoff and going to the hole. He plods forward and leans on his blockers until he falls over, for a minimal gain if he's lucky. His legs never seem to be churning and he doesn't look to slip off blockers to the holes they are creating. On the rare chance Dayne finds himself with a little room to run, it appears as though he looks for the first Texan blocking in front of him and plows straight into their back, and then falls over. Don't get me wrong, the OL could do a better jog of opening some lanes, but they will never stay open long enough for Dayne to walk through them.

TexanAddict
10-08-2007, 01:41 PM
Seriously, I hope Dayne provides his blockers with ice packs and bengay because their backs have got to be bruised and sore after having him plow straight into them game after game.

Battle Red Flash
10-08-2007, 04:20 PM
I agree Texans need a better backup RB, but.....

In three games with Flanagan at center, we can't run the ball.
It may be time to tweak the O-line. Chris White?

Runner
10-08-2007, 05:17 PM
It was more Carr than Line.

But still both, as I said.

Unless you just want to argue because my "both" didn't assign percentage blame. If so, consider this reply not posted.

the wonger need food
10-10-2007, 08:11 PM
Blame Kubes for spending a ton of money on an injury prone and washed up Green and using more to sign the king of Busts and Buffets Dayne.

If Green was still a dominate player, I would think the Pack would actually try to resign him instead of relying on Morency and two rookies.

Duckett, Jamal Lewis, and Bennett were all FAs this year.


Green was one of the best FA RB's on the market. Duckett has 4 yards for the season. Lewis is hurt again. And Bennett has a whole 49 yards this season. But keep whining about Reggie Bust since that's all you do.

Specnatz
10-10-2007, 08:50 PM
Blame Kubes for spending a ton of money on an injury prone and washed up Green and using more to sign the king of Busts and Buffets Dayne.

If Green was still a dominate player, I would think the Pack would actually try to resign him instead of relying on Morency and two rookies.

Duckett, Jamal Lewis, and Bennett were all FAs this year.


Do you actually follow the NFL and look at what is going on?

Jamal Lewis just spent time in Jail, do you really think McNair would even consider bringing him in? Duckett sucked at Atlanta, he sucked at Washington, and he is sucking he more at Carolina. Oh and Bennett was signed by NO in 2006 and was traded to KC. Why was he available to sign with NO? Oh yeah because of injuries. Seriously, stop throwing crap on the was and seeing if it sticks.

CloakNNNdagger
10-10-2007, 09:10 PM
Could I get a running back, please?......................Oh yeh....hold it..........hold on.......hold on while I pull one out of my *ss............dang, that's no running back...........sorry, my mistake..........:backsout:

Nighthawk
10-10-2007, 09:22 PM
I mean, I'm not a big fan, but he's the kind of runner we need, esp now. ANd even if Green comes back, what do you think the chances of him staying healthy might be?

Pick up Lundy now (unless you've got a line on somebody quicker, faster, stronger).

Vinny
10-10-2007, 09:24 PM
looks to me they picked up a back from the FA scrap heap....any team can have Lundy and it doesn't look like there is a mad rush.

The Pencil Neck
10-10-2007, 10:21 PM
Pick up Lundy now (unless you've got a line on somebody quicker, faster, stronger).

If Lundy was all that, he would have been picked up by the Buccs.

Maybe we bring him back, maybe we don't. But Kubes & Co saw more in Training Camp from the guys we've got than from the guys we don't got. So, I think they're going to stick with them unless they can find someone better out there.

The1ApplePie
10-10-2007, 10:30 PM
Do you actually follow the NFL and look at what is going on?

Jamal Lewis just spent time in Jail, do you really think McNair would even consider bringing him in? Duckett sucked at Atlanta, he sucked at Washington, and he is sucking he more at Carolina. Oh and Bennett was signed by NO in 2006 and was traded to KC. Why was he available to sign with NO? Oh yeah because of injuries. Seriously, stop throwing crap on the was and seeing if it sticks.

I saw giving a ton of money and a mutli year deal to a guy that is a shadow of his former self. Lewis, Duckett, and Bennett all got one year deals, and Lewis is tearing it up.

What are the odds of Green even being on the roster next year? At the very best, he will be backing up the RB we draft in the 1st next year.

hadaad
10-10-2007, 10:31 PM
Could I get a running back, please?......................Oh yeh....hold it..........hold on.......hold on while I pull one out of my *ss............dang, that's no running back...........sorry, my mistake..........:backsout:

Still has better vision than Dayne, though.

The Pencil Neck
10-10-2007, 10:49 PM
I saw giving a ton of money and a mutli year deal to a guy that is a shadow of his former self. Lewis, Duckett, and Bennett all got one year deals, and Lewis is tearing it up.

What are the odds of Green even being on the roster next year? At the very best, he will be backing up the RB we draft in the 1st next year.

Lewis had a big game against the Bengals and hasn't done much else. I think he's injured now. He's got 77 rushes for 382 yards and a 5.0 ypc average, but remove the Bengal game and he's left with 50 rushes for 166 yards and a 3.3 ypc. That's basically 12.5 carries and 41 yards per game. Not what I consider tearing it up.

Duckett has 3 rushes for 4 yards and Bennett has 18 rushes for 49 yards.

Granted, Green has played 2 partial games and then been pulled when the game was in the freezer and been out for 3 others (I consider leaving in the first series of the Colts game missing the entire game). Except for the Colts game, he's looked pretty good. His deal isn't as huge as you make it sound. At least he's making less than Mike Flanagan this year.

samomin
10-10-2007, 11:05 PM
He looked slower in the preseason than last year. I was quite disappointed.