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pappy
10-02-2007, 05:51 PM
So this great and all wonderful coach we now have has for the last two years put his faith on two complete failures . Those two being dominick davies , and ahman green . Both have flopped one completely the other almost so . Does he have it in him to find a running back ever ? Or are we to suffer with backs that cannot get a yard ? What say yea ?

whiskeyrbl
10-02-2007, 05:57 PM
What are you talking about???

YellerLotYeller
10-02-2007, 06:01 PM
So this great and all wonderful coach we now have has for the last two years put his faith on two complete failures . Those two being dominick davies , and ahman green . Both have flopped one completely the other almost so . Does he have it in him to find a running back ever ? Or are we to suffer with backs that cannot get a yard ? What say yea ?

Signed,

Ricky Williams' Agent

Thorn
10-02-2007, 06:10 PM
If healthy, both of them are excellent backs quite worthy of starting for the Texans. The problem is they won't stay healthy. The eye for talent is there my friend, it's his prognosticating the future health of his players is off. However, signing Green with a known history of problems was simply a stop gap measure, not a fix.

We are going to have to get a good back in the draft next year.

HJam72
10-02-2007, 07:03 PM
We just have too many needs. We didn't fill any of them when we got Okoye, but who wants to give him up? Thought so.

We don't just need a durable, talented RB.

We also need a talented CB, a durable, talented LT, a ball-hawking FS, and we may even still need a real #2 WR. I know we got AD and JJ, but I suspect they will BOTH turn out to be injury prone. I guess we could have them take turns being injured. Mathis of course is going to sit out if he breaks a nail.

Tulip
10-02-2007, 07:16 PM
Not drafting Reggie Bush does not equal believing in Domanick Davis.

pappy
10-02-2007, 07:18 PM
If healthy, both of them are excellent backs quite worthy of starting for the Texans. The problem is they won't stay healthy. The eye for talent is there my friend, it's his prognosticating the future health of his players is off. However, signing Green with a known history of problems was simply a stop gap measure, not a fix.

We are going to have to get a good back in the draft next year.

I do believe he was signed for four years so thats not just a stop gap .

Trap_Star
10-02-2007, 07:19 PM
So this great and all wonderful coach we now have has for the last two years put his faith on two complete failures . Those two being dominick davies , and ahman green . Both have flopped one completely the other almost so . Does he have it in him to find a running back ever ? Or are we to suffer with backs that cannot get a yard ? What say yea ?

are you "Joe from Pasadena"?

pappy
10-02-2007, 07:26 PM
Not drafting Reggie Bush does not equal believing in Domanick Davis.

Why are we bringing this guy up ? We had many more picks besides the number one . Kubiak did support dd all the way up till the day dd told the media he was done .

pappy
10-02-2007, 07:28 PM
What are you talking about???

Whoosh :user:

Kaiser Toro
10-02-2007, 07:31 PM
I do believe he was signed for four years so thats not just a stop gap .

With a 6 million signing bonus that is easily swallowed over two years should the situation go south. Peanuts really for a cap that goes up incrementally year over year (109m next year) with us estimated to have 30 million to spend next year.

Green is a non issue for the fiscal health of the Texans.

pappy
10-02-2007, 07:35 PM
We just have too many needs. We didn't fill any of them when we got Okoye, but who wants to give him up? Thought so.

We don't just need a durable, talented RB.

We also need a talented CB, a durable, talented LT, a ball-hawking FS, and we may even still need a real #2 WR. I know we got AD and JJ, but I suspect they will BOTH turn out to be injury prone. I guess we could have them take turns being injured. Mathis of course is going to sit out if he breaks a nail.

Wide receivers are not a need in this draft we do need a CB and LT but the problem for this coach has been RB .

pappy
10-02-2007, 07:39 PM
With a 6 million signing bonus that is easily swallowed over two years should the situation go south. Peanuts really for a cap that goes up incrementally year over year (109m next year) with us estimated to have 30 million to spend next year.

Green is a non issue for the fiscal health of the Texans.

Great we have cash so where is the beef ? Just cause it looks like a horse and eats like a horse does not mean it will run like one .

NitroGSXR
10-02-2007, 07:58 PM
Great we have cash so where is the beef ? Just cause it looks like a horse and eats like a horse does not mean it will run like one .

Your analogy reeks. I understand what you're trying to approach but you have to remember that noone can forsee injuries. It's like you're asking the Texans to look in a crystal ball and predict the future.

Ahman Green never was injury-prone. He got injured and it cost him almost a whole season but he is in no way injury-prone. So I don't agree with you on calling out the Texans for signing an injury-prone fellow. Sh*t happens.

Domanick Davis/Williams was beaten down and he had a career ending injury. How does a career ending injury make one to be injury-prone?

I understand what you're trying to say but I do not agree with it one bit.

Kaiser Toro
10-02-2007, 08:01 PM
Great we have cash so where is the beef ? Just cause it looks like a horse and eats like a horse does not mean it will run like one .

I hope that Smith and Kubiak are not consulting Old McDonald's business plan, for his farm, to build this team, but heck I'll be your huckleberry, tell me more. :popcorn:

:devilpig: :chicken: :deadhorse :nicedog:

Runner
10-02-2007, 08:18 PM
Your analogy reeks.

It was a mixed metaphor. :)

michaelm
10-02-2007, 08:19 PM
So this great and all wonderful coach we now have has for the last two years put his faith on two complete failures . Those two being dominick davies , and ahman green . Both have flopped one completely the other almost so . Does he have it in him to find a running back ever ? Or are we to suffer with backs that cannot get a yard ? What say yea ?

Kubiak inherited Dominick, and had no control over the fact that the team was obligated to his contract in the coach's first year.
The jury is still out on Ahman, but when he's healthy, he is an asset to the team. Virtually every running back will miss the occasional game or two in a season, and Ahman's injury isn't threatening to end his year.

drewmar74
10-02-2007, 10:22 PM
So this great and all wonderful coach we now have has....

Okay. For starters, Kubiak has shown a lot of promise as a coach but he's also shown some chinks in the armor. He's got this team motivated and is changing a losing culture which is INCREDIBLY hard to do. So said, you can still see holes in some of the playcalling (find me a fan that doesn't have complaints with his/her coach's playcalling) and his clock management will make you scratch your head sometime. So "great and all wonderful?" No. Solid and showing lots of potential for the future? Yes.

...for the last two years put his faith on two complete failures .Those two being dominick davies , and ahman green . Both have flopped one completely the other almost so .

Domanick Davis / Williams a failure? Wow. Okay, DW was probably best suited to being a third down back but toted the rock as a number 1 RB for three years and broke down under the load. DW had 3195 rushing yards, 1276 receiving yards, and 28 TD's in his short career. He's still the Texans' all-time leading rusher and most Texans' fans have a soft spot in their heart for the man who, for a time, was the Texans' most potent weapon. Heck, if it hadn't have been for DW catching all of those passes out of the backfield then David Carr would have had his confidence shattered much, much earlier. DW may have left a bad taste in some folks mouth with regards to his knee, but he was in no way a failure. Furthermore, Kubiak was in no way responsible for DW's knee or contract and saying that Kubiak put his faith in him is, in my opinion, inaccurate at best.

Ahman Green was brought in as a short term solution (yes, a stop gap) at running back and his contract is built like many are these days - essentially a 1 or 2 year deal with lots of "funny money" in the back end of it that AG will probably never see. Now, calling a five-time Pro Bowl selection with 8640 rushing yards, 2744 receiving yards, and 69 TD's a failure is laughable. Furthermore, AG is known as being a fantastic pass protector and you will never be able to tell me that was not a huge factor in why he was sought by our GM and HC. He's been nicked up for sure. But he's also been the only back we've had who's had ANY measure of success running the ball. He'll be back again this year and I'm sure that he'll be productive. I'm also sure that he'll miss some more time because he's older for a RB. Does that make the AG signing in the off season a bad one? No. I'd say not. What was a questionable decision was going into the season with only Ron Dayne and Samkon Gado behind him.

Does he have it in him to find a running back ever ?

This one to me is the funniest. You make it sound like Kubiak and Smith have been laboring with the RB situation at Houston almost as long as Chicago has been trying to find a QB. Ahhh yes. The 2 years of woefully inadequate RB play. Dude, in case you haven't noticed, they've remedied the woefully inadequate QB play, TE play, OL play, DL play, etc. They had soooo many freakin' HOLES on the roster that they couldn't address all of them immediately. Based on that, I'm willing to give them a pass (albeit a short one) on the RB play. So based on what I've seen out of him and Rick Smith I would be inclined to say "Heck yes, he does have it in him to find a running back." And I don't think it will take forever, either.

Or are we to suffer with backs that cannot get a yard ?

Uh... until Ahman comes back or we can draft / sign someone next year the answer is a firm "Maybe." Sometimes Dayne is good for two yards depending on how many D-linemen he bounces off of when he falls.

pappy
10-02-2007, 10:25 PM
Your analogy reeks. I understand what you're trying to approach but you have to remember that noone can forsee injuries. It's like you're asking the Texans to look in a crystal ball and predict the future.

Ahman Green never was injury-prone. He got injured and it cost him almost a whole season but he is in no way injury-prone. So I don't agree with you on calling out the Texans for signing an injury-prone fellow. Sh*t happens.

Domanick Davis/Williams was beaten down and he had a career ending injury. How does a career ending injury make one to be injury-prone?

I understand what you're trying to say but I do not agree with it one bit.

Any knee injury for a running back is very serious and ahman green had such a injury in greenbay . Once this type of injury occurs it can reoccur with only a quick cut such as Ahman did in the indy game . A man with Kubiaks background should understand that so yes it was a risk by kubiak .

pappy
10-02-2007, 10:36 PM
Okay. For starters, Kubiak has shown a lot of promise as a coach but he's also shown some chinks in the armor. He's got this team motivated and is changing a losing culture which is INCREDIBLY hard to do. So said, you can still see holes in some of the playcalling (find me a fan that doesn't have complaints with his/her coach's playcalling) and his clock management will make you scratch your head sometime. So "great and all wonderful?" No. Solid and showing lots of potential for the future? Yes.



Domanick Davis / Williams a failure? Wow. Okay, DW was probably best suited to being a third down back but toted the rock as a number 1 RB for three years and broke down under the load. DW had 3195 rushing yards, 1276 receiving yards, and 28 TD's in his short career. He's still the Texans' all-time leading rusher and most Texans' fans have a soft spot in their heart for the man who, for a time, was the Texans' most potent weapon. Heck, if it hadn't have been for DW catching all of those passes out of the backfield then David Carr would have had his confidence shattered much, much earlier. DW may have left a bad taste in some folks mouth with regards to his knee, but he was in no way a failure. Furthermore, Kubiak was in no way responsible for DW's knee or contract and saying that Kubiak put his faith in him is, in my opinion, inaccurate at best.

Ahman Green was brought in as a short term solution (yes, a stop gap) at running back and his contract is built like many are these days - essentially a 1 or 2 year deal with lots of "funny money" in the back end of it that AG will probably never see. Now, calling a five-time Pro Bowl selection with 8640 rushing yards, 2744 receiving yards, and 69 TD's a failure is laughable. Furthermore, AG is known as being a fantastic pass protector and you will never be able to tell me that was not a huge factor in why he was sought by our GM and HC. He's been nicked up for sure. But he's also been the only back we've had who's had ANY measure of success running the ball. He'll be back again this year and I'm sure that he'll be productive. I'm also sure that he'll miss some more time because he's older for a RB. Does that make the AG signing in the off season a bad one? No. I'd say not. What was a questionable decision was going into the season with only Ron Dayne and Samkon Gado behind him.



This one to me is the funniest. You make it sound like Kubiak and Smith have been laboring with the RB situation at Houston almost as long as Chicago has been trying to find a QB. Ahhh yes. The 2 years of woefully inadequate RB play. Dude, in case you haven't noticed, they've remedied the woefully inadequate QB play, TE play, OL play, DL play, etc. They had soooo many freakin' HOLES on the roster that they couldn't address all of them immediately. Based on that, I'm willing to give them a pass (albeit a short one) on the RB play. So based on what I've seen out of him and Rick Smith I would be inclined to say "Heck yes, he does have it in him to find a running back." And I don't think it will take forever, either.



Uh... until Ahman comes back or we can draft / sign someone next year the answer is a firm "Maybe." Sometimes Dayne is good for two yards depending on how many D-linemen he bounces off of when he falls.

Is this team motivated ? Seems to me they have lost that motivation ! No one blamed Kubiak for the DW contract or his bad knee it was his trust in DW to tote the rock another year that is the question . Ahman is the solution long or short , bad knee and all and this is the big concern . There are no questions solved here including quaterback as of this writing we are still losers . Dayne is a one yard and a cloud of fat if that .

Hardcore Texan
10-02-2007, 10:37 PM
Okay. For starters, Kubiak has shown a lot of promise as a coach but he's also shown some chinks in the armor. He's got this team motivated and is changing a losing culture which is INCREDIBLY hard to do. So said, you can still see holes in some of the playcalling (find me a fan that doesn't have complaints with his/her coach's playcalling) and his clock management will make you scratch your head sometime. So "great and all wonderful?" No. Solid and showing lots of potential for the future? Yes.



Domanick Davis / Williams a failure? Wow. Okay, DW was probably best suited to being a third down back but toted the rock as a number 1 RB for three years and broke down under the load. DW had 3195 rushing yards, 1276 receiving yards, and 28 TD's in his short career. He's still the Texans' all-time leading rusher and most Texans' fans have a soft spot in their heart for the man who, for a time, was the Texans' most potent weapon. Heck, if it hadn't have been for DW catching all of those passes out of the backfield then David Carr would have had his confidence shattered much, much earlier. DW may have left a bad taste in some folks mouth with regards to his knee, but he was in no way a failure. Furthermore, Kubiak was in no way responsible for DW's knee or contract and saying that Kubiak put his faith in him is, in my opinion, inaccurate at best.

Ahman Green was brought in as a short term solution (yes, a stop gap) at running back and his contract is built like many are these days - essentially a 1 or 2 year deal with lots of "funny money" in the back end of it that AG will probably never see. Now, calling a five-time Pro Bowl selection with 8640 rushing yards, 2744 receiving yards, and 69 TD's a failure is laughable. Furthermore, AG is known as being a fantastic pass protector and you will never be able to tell me that was not a huge factor in why he was sought by our GM and HC. He's been nicked up for sure. But he's also been the only back we've had who's had ANY measure of success running the ball. He'll be back again this year and I'm sure that he'll be productive. I'm also sure that he'll miss some more time because he's older for a RB. Does that make the AG signing in the off season a bad one? No. I'd say not. What was a questionable decision was going into the season with only Ron Dayne and Samkon Gado behind him.



This one to me is the funniest. You make it sound like Kubiak and Smith have been laboring with the RB situation at Houston almost as long as Chicago has been trying to find a QB. Ahhh yes. The 2 years of woefully inadequate RB play. Dude, in case you haven't noticed, they've remedied the woefully inadequate QB play, TE play, OL play, DL play, etc. They had soooo many freakin' HOLES on the roster that they couldn't address all of them immediately. Based on that, I'm willing to give them a pass (albeit a short one) on the RB play. So based on what I've seen out of him and Rick Smith I would be inclined to say "Heck yes, he does have it in him to find a running back." And I don't think it will take forever, either.



Uh... until Ahman comes back or we can draft / sign someone next year the answer is a firm "Maybe." Sometimes Dayne is good for two yards depending on how many D-linemen he bounces off of when he falls.


"Jordan pulls up for the jumper......(swish) and that's the game folks".

This sums it up nicely and this thread should now be closed. Perfectly stated Drewmar. I think this guy is just trying to spread "the love", and by love I mean anger.

Kaiser Toro
10-02-2007, 10:38 PM
Any knee injury for a running back is very serious and ahman green had such a injury in greenbay . Once this type of injury occurs it can reoccur with only a quick cut such as Ahman did in the indy game . A man with Kubiaks background should understand that so yes it was a risk by kubiak .

Hold on a second professor. Surely you check your facts before you start spewing garbage or is it you like to have fun with whimisical confabulations over whine and cheese?

http://www.packers.com/team/players/green_ahman/

beerlover
10-02-2007, 11:07 PM
football is an emotional game the fans respond the only was they know how to respond- with emotion :rant:

we're all irrelevent the only one who matters is the guy signing the checks :money: long as he feels rewarded, which in this case is building a winning organization he'll continue to let his football people make the decisions & I for one appreciate him & the people he trusts to get the job done :)

Marcus
10-02-2007, 11:15 PM
Before any of you actually dignify Pappy's ridiculous garbage with any more responses, consider this. .

He still thinks David Carr is a better 'quaterback' than Matt Schaub.

:crazy:

TexansFaninNC
10-02-2007, 11:18 PM
Before any of you actually dignify Pappy's ridiculous garbage with any more responses, consider this. .

He still thinks David Carr is a better 'quaterback' than Matt Schaub.

:crazy:

I am wondering how many beers he had before he went on his rant myself. Maybe the Texans should fire Kubiak and hire this "Pappy" character since he knows so much, he could be the next head coach.

The Pencil Neck
10-03-2007, 12:11 AM
I do believe he was signed for four years so thats not just a stop gap .

His contract is for 4 years but the way it's structured, we can ditch him after 2 years with minimal cap hit.

PapaL
10-03-2007, 05:29 AM
Hold on a second professor. Surely you check your facts before you start spewing garbage or is it you like to have fun with whimisical confabulations over whine and cheese?

http://www.packers.com/team/players/green_ahman/

Let me give you and our dear professor a hand here; as taken from KT's link:

"Ruptured right quadriceps tendon, the first significant injury of his pro career"

Tailgate
10-03-2007, 08:25 AM
C'mon Pappy... you are smarter than this. Aren't you???

Seņor Stan
10-03-2007, 08:46 AM
Let me give you and our dear professor a hand here; as taken from KT's link:

"Ruptured right quadriceps tendon, the first significant injury of his pro career"

C'mon give the guy a break...You know the old song...

The knee bone's connected to the quad bone....

Oh, wait a minute...He injured his RIGHT quad with Green Bay and his LEFT knee with the Texans.

Them bones ain't connected.

TigerV1
10-03-2007, 09:02 AM
Before any of you actually dignify Pappy's ridiculous garbage with any more responses, consider this. .

He still thinks David Carr is a better 'quaterback' than Matt Schaub.

:crazy:

Wow, I can't believe anyone actually thinks that way still.

Newsflash: The world isn't flat and David Carr still stinks.

I have no doubt that the running back issue will be addressed, but Pappy, keep in mind that Gary Kubiak approaches the running backs the same way Denver does...by committee. Since this isn't fantasy football I could care less the approach. It will improve, but no worries.

HOU-TEX
10-03-2007, 09:06 AM
Pappy and Caddy need to hook up. :heart:

Specnatz
10-03-2007, 09:25 AM
http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o195/Specnatz/517fnhwyEmL__BO2204203200_PIsitb-dp.jpg

Ya know it amazes me how peple react to one game where green was not the runningback who could not get the one yard.

Smith has had one draft and really one off season to repair all the crap that the C & C FUBAR factory did.

There was no other runningbacks available during the off season so they went with the best available.

drewmar74
10-03-2007, 09:26 AM
Is this team motivated ? Seems to me they have lost that motivation ! .

Based on what? A single game? Yeah, they showed up a little flat. The play calling was marginal on both sides of the ball and the running game was crap. But explain this to me, genius: If they weren't motivated, how come they were still trying to claw there way (no matter how inept that clawing was) back into the game in Q4? How come they were still fighting against Indy in Q4? These guys are sooooo much more motivated than the previous squads and it shows because there doesn't appears to be NO QUIT in this team.

No one blamed Kubiak for the DW contract or his bad knee it was his trust in DW to tote the rock another year that is the question ..

Ehhhhhh.... DW said he was going to be good to go. I won't fault Kubiak for trusting him on that. They had other holes to fill on the roster and DW said he'd be good to go, so Rick and Gary started filling those holes. Was it the right move on their part? Maybe not. For what its worth, these guys appear to be learning from their mistakes and don't seem to be counting on injured players to recover.

There are no questions solved here including quaterback as of this writing we are still losers.

Well, the OL appears to be better (not great, but better). The WR play is no longer limited to AJ. The TE's are contributing in the passing game. Our QB doesn't collapse and go fetal 2-4 times per game... and he can also attack a cover 2 defense! The defense is improved, if nothing else, just by the fact that the offense is not leaving them on the field for 45 minutes a game by constantly going 3 and out.

And we're not "still losers." We're actually .500 and have a shot at being there at the end of the year. But what makes this team not "losers" is the fact that they don't quit even when their backs are against the wall.

I could go on and on, but I'm starting to feel like I'm beating my head against a wall.

Specnatz
10-03-2007, 09:37 AM
Is this team motivated ? Seems to me they have lost that motivation ! No one blamed Kubiak for the DW contract or his bad knee it was his trust in DW to tote the rock another year that is the question . Ahman is the solution long or short , bad knee and all and this is the big concern . There are no questions solved here including quaterback as of this writing we are still losers . Dayne is a one yard and a cloud of fat if that .


I am not a loser and neither is the team, the only loser I see here at the moment is you, pal !

No questions solved? Sorry but I think you ment to post that part over on the Carolina board. Are we sure this is not Hulk or his brother or mother trying to stir crap up because of great, I mean bad Davey played Sunday.

Cjeremy635
10-03-2007, 09:47 AM
I don't fault Kubes for thinking DW would be able to play. Most of us on this board thought he would be back. He had a knee injury and IIRC, he was cleared to play but decided not to. I remember Kubiak stating that DW's knee would never be the same and that he had to learn to adjust and play on it with the way it was. Now, if we want to discuss heart, that's another issue. DW maybe should have played through the knee issue after it healed, he chose not to. Do I fault him? I don't know, haven't really given it another thought since he left. He got his contract and money and hit the road. Happens.

Hooston Texan
10-03-2007, 10:44 AM
When you are building a team from scratch like we've been doing the last 20 months, tailback should be about the last position addressed. Their careers are very short because they take such a pounding. So even if you get The Man at TB, he may wear out before your team is ready to contend.

Tailback is about the easiest position in the NFL to learn (if--and it's a big if--they know how to pass-protect), so guys can be plugged in from off the street. You won't be getting LDT that way, but if the line creates a hole, any competent TB can get through it.

This is why the Ahman signing made so much sense. He's a good back who only had one previous serious injury--at his age, that is really good (compare, say, fellow 1998 draft class member Fred Taylor). And his is basically a two year deal, so he buys us time to get everything else in place with few strings attached. It is bad luck he got hurt, but if he's back this week, it's all good.

But I think we still need another back to help out the passing game to take the heat off Green. Dayne obviously can't, and I'm assuming Gado can't since he has barely played. There is a back out there who (1) can catch the ball, (2) knows Kubiak's offense and (3) as a huge bonus, is very familiar with Matt Schaub. I know most of you are probably not huge Wali Lundy fans, but I think he can do well in a third-down back type role so that Ahman does not have to take all the pounding. Lundy caught Schaub's check-downs for two years at UVA and was excellent getting the ball up the field (contrast with Cook and Leach who pretty much get tackled right where they catch it). He's no All-Pro, but he can plug right in and give Schaub another viable target in the passing game.

NitroGSXR
10-03-2007, 10:47 AM
When you are building a team from scratch like we've been doing the last 20 months, tailback should be about the last position addressed. Their careers are very short because they take such a pounding. So even if you get The Man at TB, he may wear out before your team is ready to contend.

Tailback is about the easiest position in the NFL to learn (if--and it's a big if--they know how to pass-protect), so guys can be plugged in from off the street. You won't be getting LDT that way, but if the line creates a whole, any competent TB can get through it.

This is why the Ahman signing made so much sense. He's a good back who only had one previous serious injury--at his age, that is really good (compare, say, fellow 1998 draft class member Fred Taylor). And his is basically a two year deal, so he buys us time to get everything else in place. It is bad luck he got hurt, but if he's back this week, we've still got a shot.

But I think we still need another back to help out the passing game to take the heat off Green. Dayne obviously can't, and I'm assuming Gado can't since he has barely played. There is a back out there who (1) can catch the ball, (2) knows Kubiak's offense and (3) as a huge bonus, is very familiar with Matt Schaub. I know most of you are probably not huge Wali Lundy fans, but I think he can do well in a third-down back type role so that Ahman does not have to take all the pounding. Lundy caught Schaub's check-downs for two years at UVA and was excellent getting the ball up the field (contrast with Cook and Leach who pretty much get tackled right where they catch it). He's no All-Pro, but he can plug right in and give Schaub another viable target in the passing game.

Rep for you! Unfortunately, your post probably will be overlooked since the instigator of this post doesn't really sound too serious about talking football.

Outstanding post.

real
10-03-2007, 10:48 AM
I think they should bring Wali back too...

HOU-TEX
10-03-2007, 11:13 AM
I think they should bring Wali back too...

IMO, Wali isn't an improvement over Dayne or Gado.

I think we've just got to face the fact that we're stuck with what we have for the season. Sadly, if Green continues to have issues throughout the season, our running game will remain towards the bottom of the league.

We are who we are. :specnatz:

real
10-03-2007, 11:15 AM
I think Wali gives us something we don't have, and that is quickness in the backfield.

IMHO, Lundy would have been the better back to keep rather than Samkon...

But I think politics played a big part in that decision.

DBCooper
10-03-2007, 11:38 AM
Pappy and Caddy need to hook up. :heart:

You know if you take "Pappy" and turn it upside down and look at it in the mirror, it looks alot like "Caddy".

Hooston Texan
10-03-2007, 12:22 PM
In response to the post about Lundy not improving the running game:

That's not my point. Improving the running game is basically Green's job. But if he's too hurt or can't do it, then we'll need to adjust to a short passing game. The good news is that we have exactly the right QB to do just that. But Schaub needs someone coming out of the backfield who can turn those two-yard checkdowns into six yard gains. Dayne can't catch and Cook/Leach can't do anything with the ball once they get it. Green is certainly a weapon in the passing game, but if he has to be our primary ballcarrier AND primary out-of-the-backfield-receiver, he's not going to last the season.

Maybe Gado can do it, but if he could, then why wasn't he on the field in the Atlanta game when we were finally throwing it? As I see it, having Dayne and Gado on the roster together is a decision the Department of Redundancy Department would be proud of.

I'm not saying Lundy improves the running attack (though I don't rule that out if Green is hurt), but we're looking like we have a marginal ground game at best with or without him. If that's the case, we better be able to work the short passing game, and to do that, we need someone like Lundy.

pappy
10-03-2007, 05:25 PM
When you are building a team from scratch like we've been doing the last 20 months, tailback should be about the last position addressed. Their careers are very short because they take such a pounding. So even if you get The Man at TB, he may wear out before your team is ready to contend.

Tailback is about the easiest position in the NFL to learn (if--and it's a big if--they know how to pass-protect), so guys can be plugged in from off the street. You won't be getting LDT that way, but if the line creates a hole, any competent TB can get through it.

This is why the Ahman signing made so much sense. He's a good back who only had one previous serious injury--at his age, that is really good (compare, say, fellow 1998 draft class member Fred Taylor). And his is basically a two year deal, so he buys us time to get everything else in place with few strings attached. It is bad luck he got hurt, but if he's back this week, it's all good.

But I think we still need another back to help out the passing game to take the heat off Green. Dayne obviously can't, and I'm assuming Gado can't since he has barely played. There is a back out there who (1) can catch the ball, (2) knows Kubiak's offense and (3) as a huge bonus, is very familiar with Matt Schaub. I know most of you are probably not huge Wali Lundy fans, but I think he can do well in a third-down back type role so that Ahman does not have to take all the pounding. Lundy caught Schaub's check-downs for two years at UVA and was excellent getting the ball up the field (contrast with Cook and Leach who pretty much get tackled right where they catch it). He's no All-Pro, but he can plug right in and give Schaub another viable target in the passing game.

This is a good addition to this post and I like what you have to say . Clearly you have a good EyE for talent and are not afraid to state your case . There however does seem to be alot of folks here who only add personal snipes to this discussion . It will always be my opinion that those who snipe are just agreeing with my complaint and are angry they dont have a constructive argument . But getting back to the topic , Kubiak was hailed by everyone here when he arrived for his ability to create running backs .
http://www.houstontexans.com/news/Story.asp?story_id=2552
So where is that talent ? All he has done is hire washed up veterans !
:fans:

Texan_Bill
10-03-2007, 05:30 PM
So this great and all wonderful coach we now have has for the last two years put his faith on two complete failures . Those two being dominick davies , and ahman green . Both have flopped one completely the other almost so . Does he have it in him to find a running back ever ? Or are we to suffer with backs that cannot get a yard ? What say yea ?

Is that you Johnsonfan?!?!?

************************************************** ********

I was just thinking to myself?... "Self, how did you miss thread?"

After reading very little of it, I am now thinking to myself...."Self, you are dumber for having read any of it"...

Grams
10-03-2007, 05:33 PM
Is that you Johnsonfan?!?!?

************************************************** ********

I was just thinking to myself?... "Self, how did you miss thread?"

After reading very little of it, I am now thinking to myself...."Self, you are dumber for having read any of it"...


Can't be Johnsonfan - too many words strung together for him.

real
10-03-2007, 05:34 PM
All he has done is hire washed up veterans !

And all you have done is pollute the boards.

What is your point anyway?

That Kubiak is a bad coach ?

Texan_Bill
10-03-2007, 05:39 PM
Can't be Johnsonfan - too many words strung together for him.

:brickwall: You're right... but it's got to be someone logged on as a different user name just to: :stirpot:


HarryJ?????

pappy
10-03-2007, 05:51 PM
And all you have done is pollute the boards.

What is your point anyway?

That Kubiak is a bad coach ?

And what is your point ? Oh thats right you don't have any .

pappy
10-03-2007, 05:53 PM
Is that you Johnsonfan?!?!?

************************************************** ********

I was just thinking to myself?... "Self, how did you miss thread?"

After reading very little of it, I am now thinking to myself...."Self, you are dumber for having read any of it"...

Oh so obviously lost :devilpig:

Double Barrel
10-03-2007, 06:06 PM
http://www.houstontexans.com/news/Story.asp?story_id=2552


And what is your point ? Oh thats right you don't have any .

So says you who brings up an article from a year and a half ago. :um:

What do you want the head coach to do? The team he inherited had some serious problems, including a massive dead cap hit from the previous staff's ineptitude ($30 million this season alone).

You make derogatory comments about the head coach without offering any viable alternative solutions. And you want to call out folks for not having a point?

Before any of you actually dignify Pappy's ridiculous garbage with any more responses, consider this. .

He still thinks David Carr is a better 'quaterback' than Matt Schaub.

:crazy:

Say no more. We have a worm in our midst. :worm:

Texan_Bill
10-03-2007, 06:08 PM
I think its HarryJ stirring the proverbial pot..... Welcome back HarryJ. and nice entrance. :rolleyes:

pappy
10-03-2007, 06:21 PM
So says you who brings up an article from a year and a half ago. :um:

What do you want the head coach to do? The team he inherited had some serious problems, including a massive dead cap hit from the previous staff's ineptitude ($30 million this season alone).

You make derogatory comments about the head coach without offering any viable alternative solutions. And you want to call out folks for not having a point?



Say no more. We have a worm in our midst. :worm:

My point was stated in the topic and it still stands . Kubiak has not lived up to the expectation he would bring in 6th round or lower RB that kicks ass . So the argument of cap space is A non issue as are the last coaches tenure . I am looking for you (or someone else ) to provide a viable counter point but all anyone here is capable of is calling people names . This leaves me thinking that folks here are bigger losers than the texans .

PapaL
10-03-2007, 06:26 PM
When you are building a team from scratch like we've been doing the last 20 months, tailback should be about the last position addressed. Their careers are very short because they take such a pounding. So even if you get The Man at TB, he may wear out before your team is ready to contend.

Tailback is about the easiest position in the NFL to learn (if--and it's a big if--they know how to pass-protect), so guys can be plugged in from off the street. You won't be getting LDT that way, but if the line creates a hole, any competent TB can get through it.

This is why the Ahman signing made so much sense. He's a good back who only had one previous serious injury--at his age, that is really good (compare, say, fellow 1998 draft class member Fred Taylor). And his is basically a two year deal, so he buys us time to get everything else in place with few strings attached. It is bad luck he got hurt, but if he's back this week, it's all good.

But I think we still need another back to help out the passing game to take the heat off Green. Dayne obviously can't, and I'm assuming Gado can't since he has barely played. There is a back out there who (1) can catch the ball, (2) knows Kubiak's offense and (3) as a huge bonus, is very familiar with Matt Schaub. I know most of you are probably not huge Wali Lundy fans, but I think he can do well in a third-down back type role so that Ahman does not have to take all the pounding. Lundy caught Schaub's check-downs for two years at UVA and was excellent getting the ball up the field (contrast with Cook and Leach who pretty much get tackled right where they catch it). He's no All-Pro, but he can plug right in and give Schaub another viable target in the passing game.

Wow...this is probably the best post in this whole thread. +1 Rep.

hollywood_texan
10-03-2007, 06:29 PM
My point was stated in the topic and it still stands . Kubiak has not lived up to the expectation he would bring in 6th round or lower RB that kicks ass . So the argument of cap space is A non issue as are the last coaches tenure . I am looking for you (or someone else ) to provide a viable counter point but all anyone here is capable of is calling people names . This leaves me thinking that folks here are bigger losers than the texans .

Chill out!

He has had two drafts and head coached 20 games.

What player did he not select that we missed on in the RB position in those rounds?

Just relax.

Kubiak/Smith can't fix everything all at once. Not mention, a lot of the RB yards you are referrring to come from an offensive line, QB, and play calling working in tandem. The entire system isn't up and running yet for you to make this expectation of a late round draft pick. Last year, we had a turd of QB who was dumping logs in Carolina last Sunday.

The Texans are heading in the right direction, it just takes a little time.

See ya!

Grams
10-03-2007, 06:36 PM
My point was stated in the topic and it still stands . Kubiak has not lived up to the expectation he would bring in 6th round or lower RB that kicks ass . So the argument of cap space is A non issue as are the last coaches tenure . I am looking for you (or someone else ) to provide a viable counter point but all anyone here is capable of is calling people names . This leaves me thinking that folks here are bigger losers than the texans .

Who's expectations? Yours??

My expectations was a better team, better players, better coaching, more wins. The Texans did that last year. This year is only 4 weeks old, still lots of time for expectations of this year to be met.

If you think the people here are nothing but losers, then go somewhere else to stir up crap. Don't let the door hit you on the way out. You could try the Rams, Eagles, Bungals, or Saints boards.

DocBar
10-03-2007, 06:42 PM
Not drafting Reggie Bush does not equal believing in Domanick Davis.
That equals sheer genius to me!!!!!!

pappy
10-03-2007, 06:57 PM
Chill out!

He has had two drafts and head coached 20 games.

What player did he not select that we missed on in the RB position in those rounds?

Just relax.

Kubiak/Smith can't fix everything all at once. Not mention, a lot of the RB yards you are referrring to come from an offensive line, QB, and play calling working in tandem. The entire system isn't up and running yet for you to make this expectation of a late round draft pick. Last year, we had a turd of QB who was dumping logs in Carolina last Sunday.

The Texans are heading in the right direction, it just takes a little time.

See ya!

Ok i can go here but i am still disappointed so far . Thank you for a civil post at last .

Double Barrel
10-03-2007, 07:01 PM
My point was stated in the topic and it still stands . Kubiak has not lived up to the expectation he would bring in 6th round or lower RB that kicks ass . So the argument of cap space is A non issue as are the last coaches tenure . I am looking for you (or someone else ) to provide a viable counter point but all anyone here is capable of is calling people names . This leaves me thinking that folks here are bigger losers than the texans .

Cap space is a "non issue"? Since when can you bring in quality players - who require a healthy paycheck, btw - when you don't have room on under the cap because of mismanagement by the previous staff?

You are delusional if you think front office decisions have no impact on the product on the field.

I think you are blowing out of your assumption when you generalize the Texans fan base. There was a line of thought that Kubiak could follow the Denver model of using later round RBs to success. But the Bronco mold was always predicated on having a HoF QB like Elway.

However, there were many opposing viewpoints among fans pertaining to this subject. Constantly berating fans with your insults and bleating about some article written in June 2006 serves no purpose.

You are reality challenged, either by nature or by choice. Either way, how about you attempt to discuss the issue instead of offering rather weak smack towards other fans.

While we certainly need a solid, every down RB, these guys don't grow on trees. And they still make due with what they can get at this point, as evidenced by Ron Dayne's career day against Indy last year. We won that game on his 153 rushing yards.

Have some patience and at least try to understand that teams do not operate in a vacuum. Kubiak inherited a team with no depth, a bust for a QB, and a losing attitude in the locker room. Rome wasn't built overnight, and neither will the Houston Texans.

TexansFaninNC
10-03-2007, 07:05 PM
And what is your point ? Oh thats right you don't have any .

And what is your point? Are you trying to point out how annoying and pointless your ramblings are? If so you succeed with flying colors.

Be honest, you are really a Cowboys fan aren't you pappy?

whiskeyrbl
10-03-2007, 08:02 PM
My point was stated in the topic and it still stands . Kubiak has not lived up to the expectation he would bring in 6th round or lower RB that kicks ass . So the argument of cap space is A non issue as are the last coaches tenure . I am looking for you (or someone else ) to provide a viable counter point but all anyone here is capable of is calling people names . This leaves me thinking that folks here are bigger losers than the texans .

Yeah he did 7TH RD. Chris Taylor IR

Specnatz
10-03-2007, 08:25 PM
My point was stated in the topic and it still stands . Kubiak has not lived up to the expectation he would bring in 6th round or lower RB that kicks ass . So the argument of cap space is A non issue as are the last coaches tenure . I am looking for you (or someone else ) to provide a viable counter point but all anyone here is capable of is calling people names . This leaves me thinking that folks here are bigger losers than the texans .

Well the first year he was coaching he did have a major handicap, casserly was still the GM and Carr was still the QB and the team had no viable #2 WR. Plus a lot of people (self included) thought the O-Line was atrocious.

Rick Smith has been here for one off season and one draft, and he has upgraded depth and did a great job in last years draft. Including the Texans have the Defensive Rookie for the month of Sept.

The Texans now have a QB who understand pocket pressence and is able to find open WR besides AJ and is able to scramble for a 3 yard gain versus running out of bounds behind the line of scrimmage. With the upgrade at QB, it has atomatically upgraded the O-Line which is evident by less sacks. Also, with the drafting of Jacoby jones and with the immergence of Andre Davis it now appears the Texans do have a solid receiving corps. Plus the DL has stepped up and been a tremendous upgrade over what has ever been.

You threw out the loser comment first, so it was you who started name calling. Also, you have a hard time understanding and/or comprehending what a lot of folks are trying to explain to you or you are just unwilling to. People have brought up a lot of things but you then say cap space is a non-issue. How is it a non-issue? You have to have cap space in order to get FA and upgrade positions. You are taking one position and down grading a coach based upon what you preceive to be something that can be fixed at the snap of a finger.

Seriously, please ask Pat Sajak if you can buy a clue versus buying a vowel, bcause right now you need a clue.

pappy
10-03-2007, 08:25 PM
Yeah he did 7TH RD. Chris Taylor IR

I did really like this kid but his future is a little uncertain right now . It also looks good for darius walker , he will possibly follow the Chris taylor mold . That being he will be the practice back for the texans till the last game of the season then he will play . It seems that Kubiak has set a standard of requiring RB rookies to do there time as practice backs first .

pappy
10-03-2007, 08:39 PM
Well the first year he was coaching he did have a major handicap, casserly was still the GM and Carr was still the QB and the team had no viable #2 WR. Plus a lot of people (self included) thought the O-Line was atrocious.

Rick Smith has been here for one off season and one draft, and he has upgraded depth and did a great job in last years draft. Including the Texans have the Defensive Rookie for the month of Sept.

The Texans now have a QB who understand pocket pressence and is able to find open WR besides AJ and is able to scramble for a 3 yard gain versus running out of bounds behind the line of scrimmage. With the upgrade at QB, it has atomatically upgraded the O-Line which is evident by less sacks. Also, with the drafting of Jacoby jones and with the immergence of Andre Davis it now appears the Texans do have a solid receiving corps. Plus the DL has stepped up and been a tremendous upgrade over what has ever been.

You threw out the loser comment first, so it was you who started name calling. Also, you have a hard time understanding and/or comprehending what a lot of folks are trying to explain to you or you are just unwilling to. People have brought up a lot of things but you then say cap space is a non-issue. How is it a non-issue? You have to have cap space in order to get FA and upgrade positions. You are taking one position and down grading a coach based upon what you preceive to be something that can be fixed at the snap of a finger.

Seriously, please ask Pat Sajak if you can buy a clue versus buying a vowel, bcause right now you need a clue.

I am not discussing FA this is a post concerning what was expected by me and the media that Kubiak would bring into the texans low draft choices of great RB . So far we have two low draft picks or UDFA backs signed by Kubiak and one has since gone to IR . While we have brought in several veterans many in the media and myself consider over the hill (so far). I am asking where is that EyE for talent ?

TexansLucky13
10-03-2007, 09:35 PM
Seriously, please ask Pat Sajak if you can buy a clue versus buying a vowel, bcause right now you need a clue.

Nice. Definitely sig material.

:splits:

the wonger need food
10-03-2007, 09:38 PM
Yeah he did 7TH RD. Chris Taylor IR


Chris Taylor was not drafted.

pappy
10-03-2007, 09:49 PM
bingo.


my favorite points from the best post in this discussion...

it's too bad that you are COMPLETELY ignoring all of the posts directed towards your question. so maybe i'll give it go...

your question is where is kubiak's eye for talented rb's in the later rounds? (i hope you're not just asking in general, as he and his staff have shown GREAT competence in rounds 1-5 for two years straight) first off, there was a great thread about the denver rb myth of rb's that were passed. you should go read it to dispell your belief a little bit. alright so he's taken his shot at wali lundy and chris taylor, right? let's see wali didn't work out very well OMG A 6TH ROUND RB NOT LIGHTING UP YOUR FANTASY BOARD HOLY HELL. and chris taylor, while showing plenty of promise is ON THE IR. 0/2? sure, why not. i'd say more like 0/1.5 until taylor gets cut too.

besides the fact that kubiak and smith have
-turned the frowns upside down in the locker room
-largely upgraded the qb situation
-largely upgraded the wr situation
-largely upgraded the te situation
-not as largely but still huge-ly upgraded the lb situation
-upgraded the o'line, even with unforseen injuries
-upgraded the d'line that will only get better and better (texan droy again?)
-band-aided the secondary with demps and boulware
-band-aided the rb with green and dayne
-drafted o'line, cb, lb, and safeties that still may upgrade their respective positions
-regained confidence from a city that has NO reason to believe in anything from a football team.
-took the seemingly endless abyss of dead cap money, put a nice cork it in and turned it around in 2-3 years
-oh and by the way, they own every mistake they make and seemingly learn from it

but YOU'RE unhappy because we don't have a "later round rb" success story that is pretty unlikely to happen anyway?

you are f'n nit-picky at best. at worst? you're an f'n a-hole. so suck it.

wali lundy was a pick from the caserly era rookie first year of Kubiaks tenure :wacko:

beerlover
10-03-2007, 10:02 PM
stinking injuries what can you do :ouch: it was'nt that long ago with little cap flexability Rick Smith was able to lure Green away from GB (who virtually have zero running game- yet they are winning) as the Texans biggest offseason free agency move, so the Texans knew needs but where unwilling to use a high draft pick (Marshawn Lynch) over a young stud interior lineman to assist Mario, Dunta & DeMeco turnaround this defense with youth. They cut Walli Lundy because the negatives (only they know for sure, but he was'nt all that great of special teams player) out weigh the positives so to re-sign Walli Lundy (who I like) back again might be admission of guilt or just not a position that moves the organization forward?

I'm on record as the #1 Rick Smith fan on this board, right here right now I blog before you & defend his moves as in the best interest moving forward, that nobody possess a crystal ball :fortune: Alot of times we as fans are just not privey to all goings on behind the scenes, but make no mistake Rick Smith will improve this team greatly long as he's employed cause he does have a Keen EyE for talent :cowboy1:

real
10-04-2007, 12:39 AM
And what is your point ? Oh thats right you don't have any .

Seriously Pappy. I want to know the point you are trying to make.

So far I've yet to see a bottom line.

threetoedpete
10-04-2007, 02:09 AM
We just have too many needs. We didn't fill any of them when we got Okoye, but who wants to give him up? Thought so.

We don't just need a durable, talented RB.

We also need a talented CB, a durable, talented LT, a ball-hawking FS, and we may even still need a real #2 WR. I know we got AD and JJ, but I suspect they will BOTH turn out to be injury prone. I guess we could have them take turns being injured. Mathis of course is going to sit out if he breaks a nail.

Agreed. With just about everything you posted.

If it was cartlidge or something, you'd have a point. But it's just a bruse. A bruse which occoured at an inconvient time. Injuries our a part of it. Just like not letting your dobber down after the rabbit you've are chasing for five years pop's you in the mouth.....at home. I mean compaired to St. Louis, we're still in high cotton. Salaam is still up right. Petey wouldn't be sarting if they had no other option. Some of you believe there is...but I'm trusting the coaches on this one. It isn't a question of them backing the guy too long. What they are telling you is this is their best option. And that goes to the point of it...I've seen the hindsight QBing going on...I still take Okoye and J.J. at this point. I think center is going to get there prety quickly also. Pitts, Weary, Salaam, and Erick didn't just become sucky over night. Get beat a couple of times by and elite moss back DE, that's no sin. You're going to lose some match ups. A better running game would of hepled them all out.
And I don't think anyone in here is going to post that Salaam is a Mathews/Munoz type OLT. But Flannagan needs to get the rust off PDQ . The next move will be another major o-line shake up. Under any circumstances, that is not a good thing.


Another little thingy....If we don't stick in that little waggle action into our arsonal off of the fake counter-toss action the falcons ran, I'll be dissappointed in Kubes. I think that's part of the problem . There is a repetiveness to the plays we run. They've ( the league) seen'em...the cat's out of the bag...D's our starting to read our mail. I mean beyound the inuries, when he's healthy Dan Morgan is a prety fair LB. However he's not so good he can read a waggle action at the snap of the ball. He's either a very good guesser or someone is giving the play away befor the snap of the ball.

Seņor Stan
10-04-2007, 05:27 AM
Seriously, please ask Pat Sajak if you can buy a clue versus buying a vowel, bcause right now you need a clue.

Yeah, but that would cost $250. Good luck with that.

dickieb
10-04-2007, 02:58 PM
It's not fair to lay all the blame on the RB or HC.
The OL needs to block better for who ever is back there. For some teams that are good at run blocking, it wouldn't matter who was at RB - hell one of the announcers during a game said "that hole was so big I think I could have made it through too" it was really funny because I think it was Madden's fat A$$.
Eric Winston said in his interview after the loss to the Falcons that the Oline needed to do a better job and get a push no matter how many the defense puts in the box, because it's their job to do it.
I just don't think that it is a good idea to blame an individual for a subpar running game - last time I checked this is a team sport and all of our guys need to perform the best that they can to have success in at any phase of the game!

pappy
10-04-2007, 04:33 PM
Agreed. With just about everything you posted.

If it was cartlidge or something, you'd have a point. But it's just a bruse. A bruse which occoured at an inconvient time. Injuries our a part of it. Just like not letting your dobber down after the rabbit you've are chasing for five years pop's you in the mouth.....at home. I mean compaired to St. Louis, we're still in high cotton. Salaam is still up right. Petey wouldn't be sarting if they had no other option. Some of you believe there is...but I'm trusting the coaches on this one. It isn't a question of them backing the guy too long. What they are telling you is this is their best option. And that goes to the point of it...I've seen the hindsight QBing going on...I still take Okoye and J.J. at this point. I think center is going to get there prety quickly also. Pitts, Weary, Salaam, and Erick didn't just become sucky over night. Get beat a couple of times by and elite moss back DE, that's no sin. You're going to lose some match ups. A better running game would of hepled them all out.
And I don't think anyone in here is going to post that Salaam is a Mathews/Munoz type OLT. But Flannagan needs to get the rust off PDQ . The next move will be another major o-line shake up. Under any circumstances, that is not a good thing.


Another little thingy....If we don't stick in that little waggle action into our arsonal off of the fake counter-toss action the falcons ran, I'll be dissappointed in Kubes. I think that's part of the problem . There is a repetiveness to the plays we run. They've ( the league) seen'em...the cat's out of the bag...D's our starting to read our mail. I mean beyound the inuries, when he's healthy Dan Morgan is a prety fair LB. However he's not so good he can read a waggle action at the snap of the ball. He's either a very good guesser or someone is giving the play away befor the snap of the ball.

What someone knocking Kubiaks play calling ? I did not go there , just wish the RB problems would be over .

pappy
10-04-2007, 04:40 PM
stinking injuries what can you do :ouch: it was'nt that long ago with little cap flexability Rick Smith was able to lure Green away from GB (who virtually have zero running game- yet they are winning) as the Texans biggest offseason free agency move, so the Texans knew needs but where unwilling to use a high draft pick (Marshawn Lynch) over a young stud interior lineman to assist Mario, Dunta & DeMeco turnaround this defense with youth. They cut Walli Lundy because the negatives (only they know for sure, but he was'nt all that great of special teams player) out weigh the positives so to re-sign Walli Lundy (who I like) back again might be admission of guilt or just not a position that moves the organization forward?

I'm on record as the #1 Rick Smith fan on this board, right here right now I blog before you & defend his moves as in the best interest moving forward, that nobody possess a crystal ball :fortune: Alot of times we as fans are just not privey to all goings on behind the scenes, but make no mistake Rick Smith will improve this team greatly long as he's employed cause he does have a Keen EyE for talent :cowboy1:

Nice sentiments and well spoken to , I do hope your right .