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hobie
10-01-2007, 04:06 PM
MIAMI -- Suspended running back Ricky Williams applied for NFL reinstatement Monday, his agent said.

"Ricky is extremely excited about the prospect of playing in the NFL again and hopeful for a positive response," his agent Leigh Steinberg said.



He hasn't taken the wear and tear on his body in the last couple years. He's a physical specimen and he's got the potential to be among the league leaders in rushing.
Leigh Steinberg

Williams has played in only 12 NFL games since the start of the 2004 season, but rushed for 3,225 yards in 2002-03. His current suspension began in April 2006 after he violated the league's drug policy for the fourth time. He tested positive for marijuana this April, again delaying his return.

Williams remains under contract with Miami, where he won the NFL rushing title in 2002. But new coach Cam Cameron has not indicated whether he wants Williams to stay with the Dolphins, who fell to 0-4 Sunday.

"That's ultimately their decision," Steinberg said. "We've had no contact with them."

The NFL declined comment, saying it had not received official notification yet from Williams.

Under the league's substance abuse program, when a player applies for reinstatement the doctors have up to 45 days to submit their report and recommendation to the commissioner. He then has up to 15 days to make a decision. That means the process could take up to 60 days from the day Williams applies to be reinstated.

Williams spent an extended vacation in Australia and India during a yearlong retirement in 2004. He played in the Canadian Football League in 2006.

Steinberg said Williams was in "great shape" and "great spirits." He said Williams has been working with a personal trainer and continues to teach yoga.

"He hasn't taken the wear and tear on his body in the last couple years," Steinberg said. "He's a physical specimen and he's got the potential to be among the league leaders in rushing. Aside from one unfortunate season, he's never missed a day of training camp."

Williams' attorney did not immediately return phone messages Monday


Shoot, for what it's worth, with a lack of running game the Texans have, why not entertain the thought....won't take much to get him I bet, and his legs are fresh, and for a bonus, instead of $$ for incentives, dime bags...

Lucky
10-01-2007, 04:17 PM
his agent Leigh Steinberg said.
How far has Leigh Steinberg fallen, when his highest profile client is Ricky Williams? From "Show me the money!" to "Show me the ganja!". Sad.

Hervoyel
10-01-2007, 04:19 PM
I think most of the posters in here would be against the idea but (and I have to admit that I can't believe I'm saying this) I'd try and pry him free for a late round pick. Like for instance a 6 that could turn into a 5 if he meets yardage or games started goals (or that could turn into a 7 or nothing if he fails another drug test).

I think that if Ricky Williams is ever going to play NFL football again then he's going to do it this time or be done forever. It's really his last shot and I think it's worth the risk. I don't think the Texans would ever consider it and I think that's kind of a shame. The Texans are an organization that's "high character" and I'm all for that so don't get me wrong. Bob McNair is your basic Jesus loving, church going owner who lives his life by the good book so he has his team steer clear of all the bad guys who did bad things and I get that too. What I don't get is why everybody who has screwed up gets all lumped together into the "bad guys" pile by this team. What about forgiveness? What about sitting down and talking with the man and seeing if you believe him when he says he's ready to do things the right way? Sure, maybe you don't believe him and you say "Thanks but No Thanks" and I'd be fine with that.

What I'm not fine with is the idea that we have Ahman Green who is looking like the "Can't stay healthy" tags were justified, Ron Dayne who takes a long time to get going, and Samkon "I'm a little Rusty" Gado as our Running backs while Ricky Williams, Corey Dillon, and Stephen Davis are sitting at home waiting for a phone call. How much do any of you wanna bet that all three of these guys can still play and would be an upgrade over somebody in our backfield?

Granted Ricky is a Dolphin and may not even get reinstated but if he does and we don't at least ask for the opportunity to talk to him then we're not a very smart football team IMO.

That's all I got to say about that.

Texan_Bill
10-01-2007, 04:24 PM
I would not mention Ricky in the same breath as bad guys Pac-man or Vick. I don't think Ricky is a bad guy at all, he just has some demons that he can't seem to exorcise. That's the biggest shame of it all.

kastofsna
10-01-2007, 04:29 PM
someone take him please.

Texan_Bill
10-01-2007, 04:30 PM
someone take him please.

LMAO... I never said I wanted him, I just said that he's not a bad person.

The Dream
10-01-2007, 04:38 PM
I'd take him and the 20 bags of weed that come with him............a high Ricky Williams > Ron Dayne.

drewmar74
10-01-2007, 04:42 PM
I think that any of the aforementioned backs (Dillon, Davis, or Williams) would be better than most of our current stable. After watching Gado drop rust all over Reliant and then watching "Hunger Pain" Dayne lay an egg in ATL I'm all about signing someone else.

Sign Williams and hire Billy "Whiteshoes" Johnson to be his minder.... it worked in Atlanta, why couldn't it work here?

Texan_Bill
10-01-2007, 04:43 PM
Will the NFL let you wear a jersey with 3 digits on it??

Introducing, # 420 from the University of Texas, Ricky Williams

real
10-01-2007, 04:50 PM
Wow bill...

You're more hip than I thought you were...

HOU-TEX
10-01-2007, 04:58 PM
Will the NFL let you wear a jersey with 3 digits on it??

Introducing, # 420 from the University of Texas, Ricky Williams

Wow bill...

You're more hip than I thought you were...

I guess I'm not. What does #420 mean?

tulexan
10-01-2007, 04:59 PM
I'd at least let him workout for the team to see what he's got left. He may have some issues, but it's not like he's a murderer or a bad guy. He had a drug problem and then went to rehab to fix it. If he looks good then sign him to an incentive based contract and put him on a zero tolerance program.

real
10-01-2007, 05:07 PM
I guess I'm not. What does #420 mean?

According to Steven Hager, editor of High Times, the term 420 originated at San Rafael High School, in 1971, among a group of about a dozen pot-smoking wiseacres who called themselves the Waldos, who are now pushing 50. The term was shorthand for the time of day the group would meet, at the campus statue of Louis Pasteur, to smoke pot. Intent on developing their own discreet language, they made 420 code for a time to get high, and its use spread among members of an entire generation. While our teens feel that they know something we don't, you can let them in on the fact that it was your generation that came up with the numbers.



http://parentingteens.about.com/cs/marijuana/a/420meaning.htm

April 20th is national pot smoking day.

Texan_Bill
10-01-2007, 05:10 PM
Wow bill...

You're more hip than I thought you were...

Thank ya sir...

Texan_Bill
10-01-2007, 05:11 PM
I guess I'm not. What does #420 mean?

Read up a little. I know its wiki, but you'll figure it out...

LINK:
Cannibus Culture (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/420_(cannabis_culture))

Texan_Bill
10-01-2007, 05:13 PM
http://parentingteens.about.com/cs/marijuana/a/420meaning.htm

April 20th is national pot smoking day.


Shhhhhhh!!! People at work will find out what that means when I get those happy 420 on text messages and such on April 20th...

Exithios
10-01-2007, 05:24 PM
I would not hesitate on snatching Ricky up under the right circumstances. He still has alot of tread on his tires and I guarantee that noone will be clammering to sign him for more than the league minimum (does he qualify for vet minimum?). Is he still under contract with the Dolphins, if so how long? Maybe a 6th or 7th rounder if he is...

My $0.02

drewmar74
10-01-2007, 05:27 PM
How desperately thin are we at RB if we're sitting around mulling the positives of signing Ricky Williams?

Wow... just wow.

Hervoyel
10-01-2007, 05:38 PM
How desperately thin are we at RB if we're sitting around mulling the positives of signing Ricky Williams?

Wow... just wow.


Yeah, about that thin. Nobody that I know really questions that Ricky Williams could haul the rock in the NFL. He's a known quantity in terms of what he was. What he is today I can see some debate over. He's gone a long time without any "NFL level" contact. He's been hurt. Does somebody signing Ricky Williams today get the back who racked up all those yards between 1999 and 2003? Do they get a guy whose one bad day away from lighting up and walking away?

I'd talk to him. That's the only way anyone is going to find out. It doesn't hurt to talk to the guy.

real
10-01-2007, 05:47 PM
He is a Texas boy.

Texan_Bill
10-01-2007, 05:48 PM
He is a Texas boy.

Cali boy by way of Texas University....

real
10-01-2007, 05:57 PM
Cali boy by way of Texas University....

You're right...

I was thinking of Benson...

gtexan02
10-02-2007, 11:41 AM
Maybe if Ron Dayne smoked a little more he'd lose some of that excess baggage and be more like Ricky W

Texan_Bill
10-02-2007, 11:56 AM
Maybe if Ron Dayne smoked a little more he'd lose some of that excess baggage and be more like Ricky W

Ron Dayne on pot?!?!

Are you kidding me?!?! Buffet restaurants all around town are shivering...

drewmar74
10-02-2007, 11:57 AM
Maybe if Ron Dayne smoked a little more he'd lose some of that excess baggage and be more like Ricky W

I'd be afraid if he started smoking that he'd start suffering from the munchies. That wouldn't be a good thing. In fact, I'd say it wouldn't take long and we'd look like we were lining Grady Jackson up behind Schaub.

TexanAddict
10-02-2007, 01:43 PM
Isn't Priest Holmes on Kansas City's PUP? Couldn't he reach an injury settlement and be released? I remember him being almost ready to replace LJ at the start of the season, but now i don't think the Chiefs have any intention of playing him. I think his risk of re-injury may not be as high as the risk of Ricky getting high. Hell, we could platoon Green, Holmes, and Dayne by quarters so that maybe might be able to avoid getting hurt (j/k). Seriously, I would rather see Priest here than Ricky.

powerfuldragon
10-02-2007, 02:06 PM
seeing as how he's had four seasons with 1,000 or more rushing yards, i'd take him.

rmartin65
10-02-2007, 02:11 PM
I would definately take him. He was a monster when he played. I hope, if he gets in, that the Texans at least try to gert him. Green is hurt, Dayne and Gado cant do anything so far.

hobie
10-02-2007, 02:14 PM
seeing as how he's had four seasons with 1,000 or more rushing yards, i'd take him.

He would be an upgrade for sure with what they have excluding Green. Also, 1000 yds. these days is an avg. of 62.5 yds a game. Sad thing is the Texans have a problem getting that from these guys.

Goldensilence
10-02-2007, 02:19 PM
I wonder about some people. I mean he's not been arrested for spousal abuse, he hasn't been invovled in a murder case, he hasn't been arrested, he doesn't have realllly bad character issues. If getting high and playing playstation at your house is cause for conern over what's been going on in places like Cinci or the pac-man saga then you've got issues.

It's not like pot is a performance enhancing drug(but hey it might calm Shawne Merriman's roid rage).

I'm with Herv on this one. It wouldn't hurt to take a look at the guy considering what's going on at RB right now. Could prolly get him for a 6th round and considering what you usually get witha sixth rounder that's a steal IMO and could shore up the running game for a few years without spending a high pick or singing and inflated FA contract. Unless some of you are still hell-bent that Chris Taylor is better then a former rushing champ and Heisman winner.

Texan_Bill
10-02-2007, 02:22 PM
Seriously.... The guy is 30 years old, and hasn't played NFL caliber football in 3 years. In that 3 years he had a stint in the CFL and had surgery last year to repair the broken arm he suffered....







Oh... and he's a PETA supporter - J/K

The1ApplePie
10-02-2007, 02:33 PM
He can play FB too, so even if he has lost a step, he can be paired with a young back next year.

Williams/Slaton FTW:specnatz:

powerfuldragon
10-02-2007, 02:33 PM
come on, having ahman green, ricky williams, and ron dayne as your running backs sounds nice.

Hervoyel
10-02-2007, 02:34 PM
Seriously.... The guy is 30 years old, and hasn't played NFL caliber football in 3 years. In that 3 years he had a stint in the CFL and had surgery last year to repair the broken arm he suffered....







Oh... and he's a PETA supporter - J/K


And I'd still talk to him. That's how bad things are with our running game.

The1ApplePie
10-02-2007, 02:35 PM
come on, having ahman green, ricky williams, and ron dayne as your running backs sounds nice.

Having Ron "King of Busts and Buffets" Dayne in your backfield lowers its awsomeness

Texan_Bill
10-02-2007, 02:35 PM
And I'd still talk to him. That's how bad things are with our running game.

True.... Sad, but true.

Lucky
10-02-2007, 02:50 PM
The Ricky Williams thread. It pops up around once a year. Usually, when Ricky has either been suspended, retires, or asks for reinstatement. And the "What's so bad about smoking pot?" crowd emerges. It's not like Ricky's killing dogs, shooting hookers, or beating up his old lady. You're right. You are all right. Ricky's not such a bad guy.

But, here's a problem. The NFL has placed marijuana on their list of banned substances. Those bastards. Here's problem #2. Ricky can't stop smoking the stuff. Ricky's a relatively smart guy. He went to a few classes at UT. He knows the rules. But he still can't stop smoking pot. At one point, he quit the game and left the country just so he could smoke dope. Ricky may love football. He just loves smoking pot more.

Look, not everyone is meant to play in the NFL. Ricky has the ability to do so. Just not the disposition. He's not going to solve any teams' problems at RB. And if some of you don't know that, be sure that the Texans do. They won't bring in a sideshow. That's not how they roll.

Sorry to bring reality into the conversation. Continue on with the speculation of the career that might have been.

kastofsna
10-02-2007, 02:54 PM
generally when you talk about being faced with numerous consequences, and you can't quit whatever it is that's getting those consequences, whether it's losing your job or losing 8.4 million, then you start talking about addiction. and if he can't get some sort of rehabilitation, then he's not going to stop smoking pot. whether it's "bad" or not is not the point, the fact is that he wants to smoke more than he wants to play, evidently. and all the power to him. i just don't have much sympathy for him from an NFL standpoint.

Hervoyel
10-02-2007, 03:00 PM
I might very well be wrong but was Ricky Williams most recent transgression a case of sparking up a fatty or was he suspended for a supplement of some sort? I was under the impression that his last violation was not for marijuana and that he claimed (grain of salt) that it was accidental.

Texan_Bill
10-02-2007, 03:14 PM
The Ricky Williams thread. It pops up around once a year. Usually, when Ricky has either been suspended, retires, or asks for reinstatement. And the "What's so bad about smoking pot?" crowd emerges. Or the CFL pass a rule called the "Ricky Williams Rule" which will prohibit the Canadien Football League from offering contracts to current players banned or suspended from the NFL..

I added one for you Lucky...

Lucky
10-02-2007, 03:16 PM
I might very well be wrong but was Ricky Williams most recent transgression a case of sparking up a fatty or was he suspended for a supplement of some sort? I was under the impression that his last violation was not for marijuana and that he claimed (grain of salt) that it was accidental.
The league didn't come out and say what the exact substance was. The rumors involved a marijuana masking agent. Which is also on the banned substance list.

Did anyone see that Ricky had popped positive on a NFL drug test (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2867381), back in April?

Miami Dolphins running back Ricky Williams tested positive for marijuana in April and will not be allowed to apply for reinstatement to the NFL until September, sources said.

Williams was suspended last year for violating the substance abuse policy and was eligible to be reinstated this month, but the league's medical advisers who oversee Williams' personal rehabilitation program recently notified commissioner Roger Goodell of the positive test, sources said.



Williams, through his agent, Leigh Steinberg, issued a statement to The Associated Press on Friday night:

"Due to the recent reports about me failing a drug test, I feel it is appropriate for me to issue this statement. Last month, following a psychological evaluation requested by the NFL, we -- the psychiatrist and I -- came to the realization that there were a few things I needed to iron out about myself in order to make my return to the NFL as successful as possible.

"I am an honest, God-fearing man who is intensely dedicated to being the best person I can be on and off the football field. There is no need to smear my name or to defame my character for the sake of news. When the time is right, God willing, I will be back on the field scoring touchdowns for whatever team is fortunate enough to believe in me."

The doctors also recommended that Williams not be allowed to apply for reinstatement until September, sources said. The commissioner usually adheres to the advice of the medical advisers under the substance abuse policy.

"Falling off the wagon is part of rehab," a source said. "Based on the medical evidence in Ricky's case, the doctors say it's too early to come back. He had the positive test last month. Remember, he's been diagnosed with social anxiety disorder -- that's a real disease and a good percentage of those folks self-medicate with substances like marijuana, often at the moment they are about to have a high level of social interaction."
I get no joy from documenting this guy's disease. I guess my point is that only in FantasyBizarroLand will Ricky Williams suit up in a Texans uniform.

Hervoyel
10-02-2007, 03:34 PM
Well, okay then. What's Stephen Davis up to these days?

drewmar74
10-02-2007, 04:30 PM
Well, okay then. What's Stephen Davis up to these days?

Dunno. Maybe I can leave him a voicemail and pretend to be Rick Smith. I'll ask him to give me a jingle at the stadium....

Antowain Smith is still out there. So is Patrick Pass. James Mungro? What about Wali Lundy? He'd at least know the terminology.

Man, what a bunch of retreads and also-rans...

(I'd still like to see one or more of them worked out, though.)

TexanAddict
10-02-2007, 04:57 PM
The Ricky Williams thread. It pops up around once a year. Usually, when Ricky has either been suspended, retires, or asks for reinstatement. And the "What's so bad about smoking pot?" crowd emerges. It's not like Ricky's killing dogs, shooting hookers, or beating up his old lady. You're right. You are all right. Ricky's not such a bad guy.

But, here's a problem. The NFL has placed marijuana on their list of banned substances. Those bastards. Here's problem #2. Ricky can't stop smoking the stuff. Ricky's a relatively smart guy. He went to a few classes at UT. He knows the rules. But he still can't stop smoking pot. At one point, he quit the game and left the country just so he could smoke dope. Ricky may love football. He just loves smoking pot more.

Look, not everyone is meant to play in the NFL. Ricky has the ability to do so. Just not the disposition. He's not going to solve any teams' problems at RB. And if some of you don't know that, be sure that the Texans do. They won't bring in a sideshow. That's not how they roll.

Sorry to bring reality into the conversation. Continue on with the speculation of the career that might have been.

Exactly

awtysst
10-02-2007, 05:04 PM
I wonder about some people. I mean he's not been arrested for spousal abuse, he hasn't been invovled in a murder case, he hasn't been arrested, he doesn't have realllly bad character issues. If getting high and playing playstation at your house is cause for conern over what's been going on in places like Cinci or the pac-man saga then you've got issues.

It's not like pot is a performance enhancing drug(but hey it might calm Shawne Merriman's roid rage).

I'm with Herv on this one. It wouldn't hurt to take a look at the guy considering what's going on at RB right now. Could prolly get him for a 6th round and considering what you usually get witha sixth rounder that's a steal IMO and could shore up the running game for a few years without spending a high pick or singing and inflated FA contract. Unless some of you are still hell-bent that Chris Taylor is better then a former rushing champ and Heisman winner.


Problem is though that he has already had suspensions. The next time he fails a drug test its a LONG suspension. If we sign him to a perfomance based contract, then sure I would not mind. I would just rather not sign him, depend on him, and then have his career with the Texans go up in a puff of smoke.

HJam72
10-02-2007, 05:14 PM
Give the phins a 6th round pick and sign him to a "you play first, then we pay" contract.

PS-Tell all the guys on the team to start storing their pee. We may need it. :)

HOU-TEX
10-02-2007, 05:14 PM
Re: Ricky Williams wants back in....Jeff Spicoli's van.:specnatz:

Double Barrel
10-02-2007, 05:42 PM
Man, we're in trouble if our running game looks to be improved with Ricky Williams!

Strange enough, I agree with both Herv and Lucky's takes, even though they are opposite ends of the opinion spectrum. As a Texans fan, I want anyone that can help us win games. As an NFL fan, I do not think Ricky is dedicated enough to his game and I have serious questions if his heart would be in it for an umpteenth chance to play again.

Nighthawk
10-03-2007, 02:29 AM
This guy could be a big help for the Texans IF he still has something in the tank and can pass the drug tests. He did reasonably well in the Canadian league last year. He's better than Dayne and Gado and Walker and the other dudes we have.

So why are we all over him?

Andrew6
10-03-2007, 04:32 AM
This guy could be a big help for the Texans IF he still has something in the tank and can pass the drug tests. He did reasonably well in the Canadian league last year. He's better than Dayne and Gado and Walker and the other dudes we have.

So why are we all over him?


I think thats the major point right there.

ChildressTitanMan
10-03-2007, 05:45 AM
http://www.bangcartoon.com/2007/dogpile.htm

Williams is committed to passing his drug tests.

PapaL
10-03-2007, 06:23 AM
http://www.bangcartoon.com/2007/dogpile.htm

Williams is committed to his drugs.

Edited for correctness.

In a seriousness, I'm all for giving him a chance.

Showtime100
10-03-2007, 07:06 AM
Do you guys really want the Texans to fool with this guy??? How many random acts of strangeness would it take for you to be convinced???

The scenario would be something like this:

ESPN and the football world wonder what Houston is thinking. Various times they would say Houston is becoming the Ricky Williams of the NFL, what, with the Mario Williams thing, now this. Ricky gets a good game of two under his belt and then does the unthinkable, he pees in a cup.

"Welcome to NFL Live and boy do we have a story for you. The Houston Texans have done it aga......."

This scenario is a poor one, I know. Houston wouldn't be shelling out bigtime cash and/or using up valuable 1st round draft picks. But the nation would look at it as another strange football decision made by a young organization who has already made their share.

In this case I'd rather watch the train wreck on the news, not in my backyard.

BattleRedToro
10-03-2007, 07:48 AM
Do you guys really want the Texans to fool with this guy??? How many random acts of strangeness would it take for you to be convinced???

The scenario would be something like this:

ESPN and the football world wonder what Houston is thinking. Various times they would say Houston is becoming the Ricky Williams of the NFL, what, with the Mario Williams thing, now this. Ricky gets a good game of two under his belt and then does the unthinkable, he pees in a cup.

"Welcome to NFL Live and boy do we have a story for you. The Houston Texans have done it aga......."

This scenario is a poor one, I know. Houston wouldn't be shelling out bigtime cash and/or using up valuable 1st round draft picks. But the nation would look at it as another strange football decision made by a young organization who has already made their share.

In this case I'd rather watch the train wreck on the news, not in my backyard.

The opinions of sports-writers don't matter, and I know that would be a shock to them to hear that. The question is does it make your team better and what is the opportunity cost of acquiring him, but the most important question is will it make the organization more money, not will the sports-writers like it.

SheTexan
10-03-2007, 08:09 AM
Do you guys really want the Texans to fool with this guy???

Only Longhorn butt sniffers would want this jerk. I think he's a perfect match for VY and the meatballs!!

Hookem Horns
10-03-2007, 08:21 AM
Only Longhorn butt sniffers would want this jerk. I think he's a perfect match for VY and the meatballs!!

Let's bring him in. What would it hurt? ;)

Showtime100
10-03-2007, 08:27 AM
I care to the point that I don't want the Texans a laughing stock. Like it or not, people actually believe what they say. I don't want that reputation around the league for us.

As for him helping the team, no, he can't. Drop your horns for five minutes for crying out loud and think about it.

EDIT: I'll the leave the original post, but add to it the "horns" comment was a little too hasty. Sorry about that.

Hookem Horns
10-03-2007, 08:35 AM
In all seriousness I can't believe some of you would want another dope smoker in this organization. Didn't we learn our lesson with Casserely?

kastofsna
10-03-2007, 08:45 AM
sigh.

DBCooper
10-03-2007, 09:12 AM
Just say NO!

Specnatz
10-03-2007, 10:09 AM
In all seriousness I can't believe some of you would want another dope smoker in this organization. Didn't we learn our lesson with Casserely?

Nice shot at Asserly. Personally I would not want anything to do with him until he proves he can stay in this league. Besides what is he making> His dollar figure surely can't be in line with his production.

real
10-03-2007, 10:25 AM
I think he makes next to nothing.

2BCF
10-03-2007, 10:58 AM
Just as long as he doesn't get other players high before the game.

real
10-03-2007, 11:58 AM
• Word is Ricky Williams, who applied for NFL reinstatement Monday, has been living in Boston the past few months and meeting regularly with a therapist for counseling on life issues. He rejected a proposal to do a reality show but is mulling an offer to do a yoga video. He hopes to generate interest from, in particular, Tampa Bay, Green Bay, Dallas, Houston or New England, assuming Miami dumps him.

http://www.miamiherald.com/594/story/258347.html

Double Barrel
10-03-2007, 12:38 PM
If Ricky can consistently get a first down on 3rd and 1, bring him in. We do not have anyone healthy on our roster that seems to be able to complete that monumental task.

We have no depth. If Dayne and Gado are the best we can start, and the running game is so pivotal to our gameplan, we need someone back there to light a fire (not anything else!). Otherwise, our play action fails and our defense stays out on the field too long.

Desperate times call for desperate measures. And yes, we are desperate right now.

HOU-TEX
10-03-2007, 12:44 PM
If Ricky can consistently get a first down on 3rd and 1, bring him in. We do not have anyone healthy on our roster that seems to be able to complete that monumental task.

We have no depth. If Dayne and Gado are the best we can start, and the running game is so pivotal to our gameplan, we need someone back there to light a fire (not anything else!). Otherwise, our play action fails and our defense stays out on the field too long.

Desperate times call for desperate measures. And yes, we are desperate right now.

I agree wholeheartedly, but I just can't see the Texans/McNair bringing Ricky in if he were to become available.:wild:

real
10-03-2007, 12:51 PM
I have no doubt in my mind that they will atleast consider it.

Rick Smith has said out of his mouth several times that they do not overlook or immediately dismiss any possibility.


Originally I was opposed, but the more I think about it the more I like it. I don't know if it will happen, but it seems as if Ricky is interested in coming here.

powerfuldragon
10-03-2007, 12:54 PM
it seems as if Ricky is interested in coming here.

source?

real
10-03-2007, 12:57 PM
source?

Scroll up.

Exithios
10-03-2007, 01:06 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if we, or any of the other high charcter franchises, gives Ricky a shot and loads his contract with stipulations in regards to banned substances. I am 100% for bringing Ricky in for, if nothing else, run support.

My $0.02

Lucky
10-03-2007, 01:11 PM
...loads his contract with stipulations in regards to banned substances.
The standard NFL contract is already loaded with stipulations in regards to banned substances. That's why Ricky's suspended.

Goldensilence
10-03-2007, 01:16 PM
Again.....Leonard Little gets manslaughter DWI, no one says anything really. Lawrence Phillips gets multiple chances after break-ins and domestic abuse charges, Ray Lewis is involved in a murder trial, Shawne Merriman does roids, the ink blotter the past few years and you guys crack on a guy that smokes pot.Let me get this straight a lot else can be forgiven in this league but SMOKING POT is the highest crime of all.

As for his dedication to the game. Favre's retirement waivering the past few years, Michael Strahan's Camp ordeal this year, Tiki Barber retiring more or less in his prime year,Barry Sanders doing the same, yet Ricky gets hounded when he wants to take time off to find himself.

Maybe I'm defending the guy but it's not his fault Ditka traded an entire draft for him and he's had to live in that shadow. It's not like he did the hype machine Reggie Bush has. I've always gotten the impression the guy always wanted to play football, didn't want the spotlight and publicity, just go out and play. His years in Miami had what Jay Fielder at QB?! While LJ carried the rock a record amount last year if i remember right Ricky held the record prior. The Fins O had no one else at the time and Dave W pretty much came out and said they're going to pound Ricky. With his relationship with Earl and seeing what that style of play did to him....Do you honestly fault Ricky for wanting to get out of that situation?

Since Dan Marino and Shula left the Dolphins its been a ride for that organization. Looks like from out of the frying pan into the fire.

Whatever though...honestly It'd be a low risk High Reward venture and with our current situation at RB i don't see how our FO couldn't at least be somewhat interested.

powerfuldragon
10-03-2007, 01:37 PM
Whatever though...honestly It'd be a low risk High Reward venture and with our current situation at RB i don't see how our FO couldn't at least be somewhat interested.

i agree with this.

Lucky
10-03-2007, 01:44 PM
Desperate times call for desperate measures. And yes, we are desperate right now.
Right now? How is Ricky going to help right now? The reinstatement process could take 2 months (http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/dolphins/2007-10-01-williams-status_N.htm) before the commissioner makes a decision. And do you really think reinstatement is a slam dunk with this commish?

Under the league's substance abuse program, when a player applies for reinstatement the doctors have up to 45 days to submit their report and recommendation to the commissioner. He then has up to 15 days to make a decision. That means the process could take up to 60 days from the day Williams applies to be reinstated.What does that mean? Well, forget about trading for Ricky. The trade deadline will have passed. The Fins could release Ricky, making him a street FA. In that scenario, Ricky could become available in early December. That's not right now.

The1ApplePie
10-03-2007, 02:12 PM
Why does the NFL care if a guy smokes pot in the first place? Its not like it gives him an edge or anything. I could ask why is pot illegal in the first place, but that is a whole 'nother debate.

Double Barrel
10-03-2007, 02:21 PM
Right now? How is Ricky going to help right now? The reinstatement process could take 2 months (http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/dolphins/2007-10-01-williams-status_N.htm) before the commissioner makes a decision. And do you really think reinstatement is a slam dunk with this commish?

ahhhh, I did not realize all of that. Thanks for the heads up.

I still think he's an upgrade over Dayne or Gado. Those two are pathetic, IMO, and will continue to keep this offense from being consistently productive. Nobody respects our run game without Green back there, and even then, it's not a slam dunk.

eriadoc
10-03-2007, 02:26 PM
Why does the NFL care if a guy smokes pot in the first place? Its not like it gives him an edge or anything. I could ask why is pot illegal in the first place, but that is a whole 'nother debate.

If marijuana were legal in the U.S., then I'm not sure the NFL would have a problem with its players partaking. Since it's illegal, then every employer in America has the right to fire its employees for breaking the law.

Personally, I don't care about the weed, but it is clear evidence that Ricky Williams is not capable of being a responsible member of a team. If an employer came to me and offered me a truckload of money to do a job, with the stipulation that I had to refrain from breaing the law, whatever that law, I think I'd be on board. Hell, they could tell me I had to refrain from eating ice cream and I'd be on board. It's a truckload of money.

To me, he's just irresponsible and stupid, at least with regards to this issue. That's not someone I'd want on the team.

Gmoney
10-03-2007, 05:30 PM
Just looking through SI and saw this.....
http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/nfl?cnn=yes


I hope it's a rumor:gun:

Ole Miss Texan
10-03-2007, 05:33 PM
some stiff competition (aka teams that NEED a RB)

Second Honeymoon
10-03-2007, 05:40 PM
Just speculation. Doubtful that McNair would let Ricky play for the Texans. I would have no problem with Ricky playing here but there would have to be some special considerations made to protect our franchise's interest in case of Ricky failing another wiz quiz.

He needs to play for just above league minimum with some incentives that can help him get paid and opt out and get a fairer deal if he starts producing. It serves both parties interests. The day that Ricky signed with MASTER P's sports agency and then did that stupid freaking deal, I knew that Ricky doesn't make good decisions. Hopefully he could change that here in Houston, or elsewhere. He ain't a bad guy, he just makes dumb decisions that affect himself as well as others (Dolphins organization and the children he has fathered by multiple women)

I always liked the guy and have no big problem with someone burning a doobie every once in a while, but its against the rules of the NFL and that makes me question his desire to play football. He knows he can't get high and still be in the NFL, yet he still smokes. He has to lay off the grass at least until he retires.

Personally, my biggest problem I have with 'off the field' Ricky Williams is that he fathered all these children and now can't support them like he could and should. As a father, it just gets me sick when I hear about these guys not being in these kid's lives. It's just pathetic. it's called a condom, Ricky. Look into it.

Gmoney
10-03-2007, 05:42 PM
Yeah but he has ties to Texas and he prefers the Texas home grown hippie lettuce.:howdy:

Malloy
10-03-2007, 05:46 PM
... he prefers the Texas home grown hippie lettuce.:howdy:

That stuff sucks :)

Double Barrel
10-03-2007, 05:46 PM
Ricky might actually have the ability to get a first down on 3rd and 1....which is a lot more than we get from the Dayne train right now.

TexansLucky13
10-03-2007, 05:47 PM
Ricky might actually have the ability to get a first down on 3rd and 1....which is a lot more than we get from the Dayne train right now.

He will bribe the defenders with a cigaweed.

Malloy
10-03-2007, 05:55 PM
Ricky might actually have the ability to get a first down on 3rd and 1....which is a lot more than we get from the Dayne train right now.

Bring him in, sign a contract with a bunch of incentives and a big bad no-no to Dr Dopie :)

dtran04
10-03-2007, 06:05 PM
Forget the incentives. Absolute bare minimum. Take it or leave it.

Malloy
10-03-2007, 06:07 PM
Forget the incentives. Absolute bare minimum. Take it or leave it.

But without incentives.... there's no incentive to REALLY whip it out !!

hookinreds
10-03-2007, 06:10 PM
Bring him in, sign a contract with a bunch of incentives and a big bad no-no to Dr Dopie :)

Eggzactly, and all kinds of clauses in there to protect the team from any backlash from the league or from having to pay him out if he does go AWOL.

disaacks3
10-03-2007, 08:15 PM
I'd take him and the 20 bags of weed that come with him............a high Ricky Williams > Ron Dayne.
Sad (& Funny), but true.

PapaL
10-03-2007, 08:48 PM
He will bribe the defenders with a cigaweed.

Cigawhat? Cigawho?

Wolf
10-03-2007, 10:26 PM
Ricky has glaucoma

:splits:

mexican_texan
10-03-2007, 10:50 PM
After some of the play calls I've seen, I wouldn't be surprised if Ricky finds a smoking buddy.

Blazing Arrow
10-03-2007, 11:10 PM
Seems pretty obvious that he is going to the Raiders. I mean the would anyone really be suprise to see him in a Raiders jearsey?

Reference Snoop Dogg and Dr. Dre music for reasons .....

drewmar74
10-04-2007, 12:01 AM
Reference Snoop Dogg and Dr. Dre music for reasons .....

I always pegged Ricky for being a Rusted Root, Phish, Widespread Panic kind of guy....

Blazing Arrow
10-04-2007, 01:59 AM
I always pegged Ricky for being a Rusted Root, Phish, Widespread Panic kind of guy....

Good point. I still think he is O-Town bound.

powerfuldragon
10-04-2007, 09:15 AM
the Texas home grown hippie lettuce.

That stuff sucks :)

listen to malloy. he's correct.

HuttoKarl
10-04-2007, 09:55 AM
I always pegged Ricky for being a Rusted Root, Phish, Widespread Panic kind of guy....


I knew there was a reason I like Ricky Williams. His musical taste is excellent. Bet he digs Govt. Mule and Karl Denson too.

Hervoyel
10-04-2007, 12:48 PM
It could take up to 60 days but it could happen in a week or two. The fact is nobody knows. Nobody knows if he'll even get reinstated and if he does then nobody knows what the Dolphins will or won't do with him.

Kaiser Toro
10-04-2007, 12:52 PM
I knew there was a reason I like Ricky Williams. His musical taste is excellent. Bet he digs Govt. Mule and Karl Denson too.

Great musician, cool dude.

Bring Ricky in and we may get KEYE's attention in Austin.

BattleRedToro
10-05-2007, 11:58 PM
it would be sad if he were injecting or chemically mixing something up to get up...but a plant?

Dude, the "it's a plant" arguement is lame. If you believe all plants are harmless then why don't you walk out into a forest and start randomly injesting mushrooms. Be sure to say good bye to everyone that you care about because you are almost sure to eat some highly poisonous ones.

Mr. White
10-06-2007, 01:30 AM
Great musician, cool dude.

Bring Ricky in and we may get KEYE's attention in Austin.

Yeah, but not necessarily Austin Longhorn fans. We'll probably get guys like Willie Nelson and Ray Benson supporting the Texans. Maybe Mark Stepnoski (Google him if you don't know what organization he's rolling with nowadays.)

Leslie Cochran will probably start hanging out with us at Third Base on Sundays. Matt McConaughey will break the bongos out of the Airstream and bang on them in the 3B parking lot during breaks.

Mr. White
10-06-2007, 01:34 AM
Dude, the "it's a plant" arguement is lame. If you believe all plants are harmless then why don't you walk out into a forest and start randomly injesting mushrooms. Be sure to say good bye to everyone that you care about because you are almost sure to eat some highly poisonous ones.

I like the "it's an alcoholic drink" argument better. Since it's legal, then it must be safer than the goofy grass.

Double Barrel
10-06-2007, 11:20 AM
Dude, the "it's a plant" arguement is lame. If you believe all plants are harmless then why don't you walk out into a forest and start randomly injesting mushrooms. Be sure to say good bye to everyone that you care about because you are almost sure to eat some highly poisonous ones.

Dude, there is no argument. Hemp is just a plant.

Nowhere in KJ3's take did I see him advocate that all plants are harmless. Besides, mushrooms are NOT plants. They are fungi.

Kaiser Toro
10-06-2007, 11:37 AM
Yeah, but not necessarily Austin Longhorn fans. We'll probably get guys like Willie Nelson and Ray Benson supporting the Texans. Maybe Mark Stepnoski (Google him if you don't know what organization he's rolling with nowadays.)

Leslie Cochran will probably start hanging out with us at Third Base on Sundays. Matt McConaughey will break the bongos out of the Airstream and bang on them in the 3B parking lot during breaks.

Sandra Bullock will lead the First Down Chant.

Mayor Will Wynn will propose legislation that the Texans have Texan Mean Green Day. His production will include uniforms made of hemp, and woven by illegal immigrants with their free labor contribution going to support NOLA refugees; Green Day performing Clay Walker's "Football time in Houston"; and a Texan Sized Soylent Green Sno Cone machine for the kids being worked by the cast from Dazed and Confused.

Lance Armstrong would of course be accompanying McConaughey in submissive wear.

FILO_girl
10-06-2007, 11:50 AM
Sandra Bullock will lead the First Down Chant.

Mayor Will Wynn will propose legislation that the Texans have Texan Mean Green Day. His production will include uniforms made of hemp, and woven by illegal immigrants with their free labor contribution going to support NOLA refugees; Green Day performing Clay Walker's "Football time in Houston"; and a Texan Sized Soylent Green Sno Cone machine for the kids being worked by the cast from Dazed and Confused.

Lance Armstrong would of course be accompanying McConaughey in submissive wear.

Pure gold! Rep attempted but need to spread around some first, can someone spot me on this one? :user:

drewmar74
10-06-2007, 12:13 PM
Pure gold! Rep attempted but need to spread around some first, can someone spot me on this one? :user:

Got it.

texanfreak
10-07-2007, 10:13 AM
I say sign him, he has to have some good connections!!!!!!!

The1ApplePie
10-07-2007, 12:51 PM
I don't think they should allow people that drink booze to bash pot heads. I can picture a bunch of guys yelling crap at Ricky at a game while pounding brews.

If you drink booze, smoke weed, or use nicotine, you are a drug user. No high horse to climb on.

mexican_texan
10-07-2007, 01:09 PM
I don't think they should allow people that drink booze to bash pot heads. I can picture a bunch of guys yelling crap at Ricky at a game while pounding brews.

If you drink booze, smoke weed, or use nicotine, you are a drug user. No high horse to climb on.
Rep'd.