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gtexan02
09-18-2007, 06:13 PM
After watching Bledsoe get sacked and hurried every possession, I thought the Cowboys were crazy for giving the reigns to new guy Tony Romo. But suddenly, the pressure seemed to lessen.

Fast forward to the offseason, and I was highly speculative about the Matt Schaub deal. Who is going to protect him? I knew he would probably make the OL a little better, but I was in no way sold.

Fast forward to training camp, and I start to hear some talk out of our players. They talked about leadership, they talked about field presence. I wasn't sold. I think I even started a thread with the implication being "don't get too excited yet, we're still building" One of my main points was that our OL will look better, but is still a huge issue.


And now fast forward to the end of week 2. The Texans are 2-0 for the first time in our history. We have won 4 straight. Our much maligned OL has given us a decent run game and given up 2 total sacks. Last week we saw 0 sacks and only 1 QB hurry from one of the best front 4 in the NFL.

Wow was I wrong.

Whats changed? Matt Schaub.

I see Matt Schaub get most of the credit for improving the OL, but I wanted to point out that many of the reason Im seeing probably aren't telling the whole story. To put it simply, Matt Schaub is more than a quick release.

So why is our Offensive Line playing like a group of pro bowlers? Heres my opinion:

1. Matt Schaub's quick release - I know I said this wasn't the only factor, but I do think its an important factor. He snaps the ball, he drops back, he makes his read, then he gets rid of the ball. End of story. No running around. No hesitation. Throw a TD? Good job. Throw an INT? Move on. He gets rid of the ball on time. Man the OL must be loving that.

2. Matt Schaub's pocket presence - This guy feels the rush 100x better than YKW. A speed rusher runs around our tackle behind Schaub? Whats he do? He steps UP in the pocket. I dont think I'd seen YKW do that in the last 2 years. He moves around like a QB should. I bet the OL loves that too.

3. Matt Schaub's play actions - He may not be fast. He may not be glitzy. But damn does this guy sell the play action. I have never seen so many Panthers running in 1 direction with Schaub going the other way. No wonder they call it the naked bootleg.

4. Matt Schaub throws it down the middle - Know why the defense can't blitz down our throats anymore? Because Schaub can actually throw to all parts of the field. YKW was limited to throws behind the LOS and along the sidelines. If the opposing team bumped the receivers they could blitz their safeties without worry. Schaub picks them apart, they back off, end of story.

5. And most importantly, Matt Schaub's leadership. I thought the offseason and preseason fluff articles were a bunch of mumbo jumbo. I thought, "Here is a meaningless story to elicit false hope and get us to buy jerseys/tickets/other expensive items" Boy was I wrong. I can not begin to describe the difference I have seen in our players "will" to play the game. Our offensive line wants to block the DL more than Ive ever seen it before. Its like over the past few years it was their job, but now its their passion. They want to keep #8 off the turf, and its showing.



So basically, while Schaubs quick thinking is definitely helping the OL look like a different group out there, lets not forget his incredible leadership ability. Our team is coming together and believing in themselves, and I think that can do wonders for the players abilities. Its an intangible that delivers on Sundays. And its something we finally have the luxury of in Houston.

All this said, I do want to give some credit to the OL themselves. A group of scrubs with a great leader is still a group of scrubs. And our OL is anything but. Sure they are going to get beat occassionally, but so far they've played as good as Ive ever seen them play. They have the talent, and with a few more pieces thrown into the mix, could be dominant for years to come. Our OL. Dominant. I can't believe I said it. And believe it. This is a different Texans team indeed.

:texflag:

thunderkyss
09-18-2007, 06:26 PM
Matt Schaub aside, have we ever had a Right Tackle play so well on this team??

Double Barrel
09-18-2007, 06:32 PM
Good post, gtexan02. It takes a man to admit he's wrong, and there's nothing bad about that!

Another thing that I like to hear is D.Rob talking about how Schaub apologized to the defense when we went down 14-0. He said the fumble was on the offense and so was the TD from it. But he instilled confidence and went out there and scored on the next drive. Robinson said nothing gets a team fired up like a leader that talks the talk and walks the walk.

I've been drinking the Schaub koolaide since we signed him. And not because I have some 'insight' that other don't, but because I believe in Kubiak and his staff and we saw some fundamental changes during last season. Players were being held accountable, and the team never quit during a game in spite of getting beat down. So when Kubiak said that Schaub was his QB, I had no reason to doubt him.

BSofA04
09-18-2007, 06:33 PM
After watching Bledsoe get sacked and hurried every possession, I thought the Cowboys were crazy for giving the reigns to new guy Tony Romo. But suddenly, the pressure seemed to lessen.
:texflag:

Great post man, much kudos (rep) to you for your thoughts on the Texans and Schaub.

It's amazing what a new QB will do to a "poor" offensive line. Now all the talking heads are pulling a 180 and telling us that it was in fact, YKW's fault for most of the sacks. Funny how those "experts" suddenly are waking up. All I have to say is it's a great time to be a Texans fan!

On another note, after watching the MNF game yesterday, we can all thank our blessings for Schaub. Both Campbell and McNabb were terrible, and both at one point couldn't hit the ocean. After watching Schaub complete 70% of his passes, it's truly difficult to stomach other QB's attempts. At one point, Campbell had a receiver wide open (and by wide open I mean no one within 10 yards of him) running a go route down the field and he missed him by a good 10 yards. McNabb was anything but spectacular, usually overthrowing his receivers.

It's funny how spoiled we are with Schaub, but I don't think anyone on this board isn't thankful for what he has done for our team. He's bringing consistency to the offense and making the defense better inadvertently by giving them some much needed rest.

The Pencil Neck
09-18-2007, 07:12 PM
I've really been trying to hold myself back and not be all "told ya so" to some people. I know there were lots of people on here who were calling for a new QB long before I was. I was defending Carr this time last year.

But by the end of last year, I totally expected this. All we had to do was get an average QB in here and I felt like we were going to be a very good team. I said so in thread after thread and in argument after argument and I'm pretty sure a lot of people were pretty sick of hearing about it. I was proudly and loudly in the Anybody But Carr group.

When we made the trade for Schaub, I was ecstatic. I don't care about the 2 2nd round picks we lost. We went from having a negative behind the center to at least having a non-negative. And I was pretty sure we had a big positive.

But... what could I say? Schaub was unproven. Hell, he's still mostly unproven. We've only seen 2 games. A lot of things could still go wrong.

But I think we've laid to rest the myth that our offensive line was the problem, that even Brady or Peyton couldn't be successful behind our line, and that all that Carr needed was more talent around him to be successful.

That's all behind us. I don't really care about any of that. It's time to kick some butt!

:texan:

76Texan
09-18-2007, 07:41 PM
I always believe it as a team thing, that individuals, the more each of them contributes, the better the whole team will look.

So far Schaub has been doing his part.

But let's not forget:

The special team is doing well.
Kris Brown hasn't missed a FG and he's been good on kickoff.
Turk is doing his job better than Stanley did.
The coverage is better than last year, did we even force one fumble last year, I don't remember?
The return game has been solid, I remember we have guys dropping off like flies until Dexter Wynn came in.
Now just the thought of having Jacoby and Mathis in full health, while Wynn and other guys are ready any time, can instill a lot of confidence as well.
We have had quite good field positions as compared to last year.

The defense has risen up to the occasion, players were flying everywhere.
There were much fewer mistackles, and yes we create turnovers that was a rare phenomenon last year.
They contribute to the battle of field position also.
And when the D plays inspired football like that, the guys on offense can't help but get pumped up.

Now come the offense:
McKinney was not 100% for the first half of last year.
Weary is improving with each game, and keeps on doing so this year.
Ditto for Winston.
Pitts is always that All-Joe lineman.
Salaam was banged up half of the times he played last year.

In the absence of Moulds, Jacoby and Mathis pose enough of deep threats that do not allow the other team to double up on AJ much.
Owens is improving his blocking skill and also as a receiver.
Leach was "learning" to catch last year.
And it helps that hardly any of them is dropping passes.
(You know we had passes that the receivers just dropped when the pass was hit on the numbers.)

And yes, we have the running game this time around.
We are able to avoid more 3rd and long situations where the QB is usually more at risk.

Pantherstang84
09-18-2007, 07:50 PM
I've really been trying to hold myself back and not be all "told ya so" to some people. I know there were lots of people on here who were calling for a new QB long before I was. I was defending Carr this time last year.

But by the end of last year, I totally expected this. All we had to do was get an average QB in here and I felt like we were going to be a very good team. I said so in thread after thread and in argument after argument and I'm pretty sure a lot of people were pretty sick of hearing about it. I was proudly and loudly in the Anybody But Carr group.

When we made the trade for Schaub, I was ecstatic. I don't care about the 2 2nd round picks we lost. We went from having a negative behind the center to at least having a non-negative. And I was pretty sure we had a big positive.

But... what could I say? Schaub was unproven. Hell, he's still mostly unproven. We've only seen 2 games. A lot of things could still go wrong.

But I think we've laid to rest the myth that our offensive line was the problem, that even Brady or Peyton couldn't be successful behind our line, and that all that Carr needed was more talent around him to be successful.

That's all behind us. I don't really care about any of that. It's time to kick some butt!

:texan:

Well as long as the crow festival is underway. I might as well come for another helping.

Pencil Neck you may remembering debating this with subject with me before the draft.

I was not part of the ABC crowd. However, I did know something needed to be done. The discussion at the time centered around trying to get Jake "The Snake" Plummer. I was dead set against it. My argument was he wasn't a significant enough upgrade over Carr. I was probably wrong then.

However, I wouldn't exactly call Schaub an average QB either. He has exceed all expectations that I had of him so far.

Can I have some ketchup and hot sauce with my crow though?

Marcus
09-18-2007, 07:58 PM
I really don't think we have even seen just how 'valuable' Schaub really is.

Andre Johnson has been hiding that value somewhat, since he has been the focus of the majority of Schaub's passes so far. But this week against the Colts . . .

. . . I think we are ALL going to see just how good a quarterback that Matt Schaub is going to be.

The Pencil Neck
09-18-2007, 08:01 PM
Well as long as the crow festival is underway. I might as well come for another helping.

Pencil Neck you may remembering debating this with subject with me before the draft.

I was not part of the ABC crowd. However, I did know something needed to be done. The discussion at the time centered around trying to get Jake "The Snake" Plummer. I was dead set against it. My argument was he wasn't a significant enough upgrade over Carr. I was probably wrong then.

However, I wouldn't exactly call Schaub an average QB either. He has exceed all expectations that I had of him so far.

Can I have some ketchup and hot sauce with my crow though?

Like I said, that's all water under the bridge and it's time to move on. All that's important now is that we stay healthy and keep working hard. There's still a lot of things that can go wrong and it's only been 2 games.

With all the hype on Schaub for the past couple of years, I figured he'd either be the real deal or Rob Johnson. At the moment, he's not looking like Rob Johnson. :splits:

* And on the Plummer subject, I was never really sold on him. I thought he'd be an upgrade but with Plummer, you get a whole different set of problems. If Kubiak thought he could make it work, I was willing to go along with it (not that I had a choice.)

hollywood_texan
09-18-2007, 08:02 PM
Good post, gtexan02. It takes a man to admit he's wrong, and there's nothing bad about that!

Another thing that I like to hear is D.Rob talking about how Schaub apologized to the defense when we went down 14-0. He said the fumble was on the offense and so was the TD from it. But he instilled confidence and went out there and scored on the next drive. Robinson said nothing gets a team fired up like a leader that talks the talk and walks the walk.

I've been drinking the Schaub koolaide since we signed him. And not because I have some 'insight' that other don't, but because I believe in Kubiak and his staff and we saw some fundamental changes during last season. Players were being held accountable, and the team never quit during a game in spite of getting beat down. So when Kubiak said that Schaub was his QB, I had no reason to doubt him.

After 5 years of loyal support and pumping some hard earned dollars for season tickets, I was very critical and skeptical of every decision by the Texans regardless of who made the decision.

But, the Dallas preseason game really showed me (in other words, Kubiak/Smith showed me they know what they are doing) that things are heading in the right direction and it's time to just sit back and enjoy the ride.

GO TEXANS!!!

The Pencil Neck
09-18-2007, 08:03 PM
I really don't think we have even seen just how 'valuable' Schaub really is.

Andre Johnson has been hiding that value somewhat, since he has been the focus of the majority of Schaub's passes so far. But this week against the Colts . . .

. . . I think we are ALL going to see just how good a quarterback that Matt Schaub is going to be.

So true. I mean, if AJ is even kinda open, how do you not throw it to him?

aj.
09-18-2007, 08:05 PM
This year, Andre has been catching balls in places on the field where he's rarely caught balls before, i.e., the mid zones between the hashes.

The value is apparent.

This week tells me how deep (or not) or WR corps really is.

That said, I expect a lot of FB, RB and TE pass targets this week.

gtexan02
09-19-2007, 09:17 PM
This year, Andre has been catching balls in places on the field where he's rarely caught balls before, i.e., the mid zones between the hashes.

The value is apparent.

This week tells me how deep (or not) or WR corps really is.

That said, I expect a lot of FB, RB and TE pass targets this week.

Its really a shame that Andre is hurt, because he was on pace for a monster season. I only hope he can come back soon and continue his pace. You don't think he's the type of player to get nervous about routes after an injury right?

With regards to Matt Schaub, I think the other important thing to note is that his leadership is going to really improve the other WRs this weekend. Even without AJ< I tihnk Schaub willb e able to push the other guys to really step up and hopefully help fill his void

Goldensilence
09-20-2007, 02:38 AM
I really don't think we have even seen just how 'valuable' Schaub really is.

Andre Johnson has been hiding that value somewhat, since he has been the focus of the majority of Schaub's passes so far. But this week against the Colts . . .

. . . I think we are ALL going to see just how good a quarterback that Matt Schaub is going to be.

I couldn't agree more Marcus. But like PN said...if he's open how can you not throw it to him? This week i think it'll bea dogfight even without AJ.

Malloy
09-20-2007, 03:55 AM
I've been drinking the Schaub koolaide since we signed him. And not because I have some 'insight' that other don't, but because I believe in Kubiak and his staff and we saw some fundamental changes during last season.

I were an instant supporter of Schaub when we signed him too. Not only for the reason that you mention (I completely trust this coachngstaff), but bostly because I had the opportunity to watch a few Falcons games a couple of years ago(A team shown WAY too much here in Denmark). In this particular game (exactly what game it was escapes me) Schaub came in, or started and wow, I kept asking my girlfriend 'why the hell do they ever put Vick on the field, this Schaub guy can PLAY!
I also remember that the commentators mentioned that the playbook was not changed for Schaub, and that's what really sold me. If he could show such confidence and effectiveness with Vicks playbook, and actually make the recievers look good, he would have to be for real.

The second we signed him, I hoped, half-way expected us to see what I saw from him wearing that Falcons uniform. So far, he has not dissapointed me :)

Grams
09-20-2007, 07:23 AM
I was excited when they traded for Matt. I also have seen some of the Falcon games where he came it and all af a sudden there was a different feeling on the field. The fans knew it and the players knew it.

There are just certain people that have that "IT" quality. A bunch of different things that you can't just put your finger on and say what exactly it is.

But you don't have to have the best arm, the best mobility, the best of anything, but you are one of the best to get what needs to be done - done.

Joe Montana, drafted in the 3rd round. You knew when you needed a score in the last 2 minutes of the game that he was going to get the 49ers down to where they needed to be to score the winning points.

Tom Brady, drafted in the 6th round. Without what a lot of people seem to think are the best WR, RB, TE, linemen, etc just wins.

Teddy Bruski, not the fastest, most talented, most athletic, etc, but he plays his heart out and makes plays, always near the ball. (Sort of like what they were saying about DeMeco Ryans before he played last year.)

I am sure there are a lot more at various positions, but you just don't have to have the #1 or 2 or 3rd pick in the draft to get an excellent QB.The price of 2 second rounders may have seemed very steep at the time to a lot of people, but when we are winning, it is very very small.

4Texans
09-20-2007, 08:15 AM
After watching Bledsoe get sacked and hurried every possession, I thought the Cowboys were crazy for giving the reigns to new guy Tony Romo. But suddenly, the pressure seemed to lessen.


Nice post......

Things that make you go Hhmmmmmmm?????????

Wasn't Chris Palmer the OC/QB coach last year for the Cowboys and Romo????? :confused:

infantrycak
09-20-2007, 09:44 AM
I really don't think we have even seen just how 'valuable' Schaub really is.

Andre Johnson has been hiding that value somewhat, since he has been the focus of the majority of Schaub's passes so far. But this week against the Colts . . .

. . . I think we are ALL going to see just how good a quarterback that Matt Schaub is going to be.

Yup. People seem to be forgetting Matt Schaub flashed enough in Atlanta with a reviled WR corps that was bringing down Mike Vick. In the NE game he was throwing to superstars such as Dez White and Brian Finneran.

red_dirt
09-20-2007, 10:05 AM
I have been a Carr supporter from the start, and I didn't lessen my support when he left, I believed it couldn't all be him. I also didn't like cutting the starter for a backup without any form of competition. While it is still early in the season, I have to admit that the leadership and poise Schaub has is making all the difference. I am seeing a different team on the field, a team fighting for yards, fighting for the ball, fighting for wins. While I don't hold any hatred for Carr (like most), I admit I was wrong about him, he didn't inspire the team to win. The Texans have gained a heart in his abscense, and that alone makes it worth getting rid of him. I'll take a team with the heart to fight over any other.

real
09-20-2007, 10:13 AM
I <3 Matt Schaub


:fans:

Double Barrel
09-20-2007, 11:51 AM
This year, Andre has been catching balls in places on the field where he's rarely caught balls before, i.e., the mid zones between the hashes.

The value is apparent.

This week tells me how deep (or not) or WR corps really is.

That said, I expect a lot of FB, RB and TE pass targets this week.

yep. I think Schaub will deliver the ball where it needs to be, so it will definitely be interesting to see if our WRs can step up to the challenge.

kastofsna
09-20-2007, 12:33 PM
i've been calling Schaub a franchise QB since his draft, and i'm really glad he's been given the reigns of a team that will embrace him and his abilities.

Texans Horror
09-20-2007, 02:07 PM
Hold the phone. Matt Schaub is doing very well, but let's give credit where it's due, and he's not the only one. The line looks well because of a. Mike Sherman. Now that Mike Sherman is completely in control, he has adjusted the schemes (especially the run schemes). This brings me to the second contribution: b. Ahman Green. The line has improved, but he has shown real tenacity on the field and added yards to runs that previous Texans backs probably would have given up on. All this leads to a stellar run game, which makes the passing game all that much better. Neither the Chiefs nor the Panthers were able to work on a blitz-first agenda because the Texans finally have a run game. This allows for a better pass game.

The defense, of all people, also needs to be credited. Years and years of drafting rookie defensive players (especially d-linemen) has finally paid off. The Texans have an incredible turn-over ratio. They are also really limiting the time that the opposing team's offense is on the field. This means the offense is being given more time than they probably ever have had in the history of the Texans.

The o-line still has major flaws. The talent was not upgraded (except for replacing Flanagan with McKinney). It's still porous and linemen are getting through. I wish they would get a center or a left tackle who isn't a journeyman player, but at this point I don't think the Texans will ever have anything more than band-aids on the line and will be making their bread and butter off finding ways to circumnavigate any and all problems on the line.

HOU-TEX
09-20-2007, 02:29 PM
i've been calling Schaub a franchise QB since his draft, and i'm really glad he's been given the reigns of a team that will embrace him and his abilities.

I'm sure you have due to your self-promoted expertise on draft day.:cool:

Just ribbing with ya.

Truthfully, I'd never heard of Schaub until a couple years ago when he began his pre-season dominance.

:texflag:

awtysst
09-20-2007, 02:32 PM
i've been calling Schaub a franchise QB since his draft, and i'm really glad he's been given the reigns of a team that will embrace him and his abilities.

Shameless self promotion is the mating call of the mute button!
Now, on the subject of shameless self promotion...

Double Barrel
09-20-2007, 02:52 PM
Hold the phone. Matt Schaub is doing very well, but let's give credit where it's due, and he's not the only one.

Good post, but I don't think anyone disputes what you're saying.

This thread is titled "The value of Matt Schaub", so it has tended to be focused on....Matt Schaub. :shades:

gtexan02
09-20-2007, 02:57 PM
The defense, of all people, also needs to be credited. Years and years of drafting rookie defensive players (especially d-linemen) has finally paid off. The Texans have an incredible turn-over ratio. They are also really limiting the time that the opposing team's offense is on the field. This means the offense is being given more time than they probably ever have had in the history of the Texans.


While our defenses has been good at giving us turnovers, I think everyone can agree that the reason our TOP has been so high is because of the crazy 10+ minute drives we have sustained multiple games in a row.

real
09-20-2007, 03:03 PM
While our defenses has been good at giving us turnovers, I think everyone can agree that the reason our TOP has been so high is because of the crazy 10+ minute drives we have sustained multiple games in a row.

Exactly. The defense plays a part in that by getting us the ball back fast, but the Offense is out there eating up yards and clock. The offense could easily suck and give the ball back just as fast as they had gotten it.

The Pencil Neck
09-20-2007, 03:06 PM
Exactly. The defense plays a part in that by getting us the ball back fast, but the Offense is out there eating up yards and clock. The offense could easily suck and give the ball back just as fast as they had gotten it.

Which we did in years past.

Texans Horror
09-20-2007, 04:23 PM
Good post, but I don't think anyone disputes what you're saying.

This thread is titled "The value of Matt Schaub", so it has tended to be focused on....Matt Schaub. :shades:

But it's in relation to the o-line. I just think that while Schaub's helped, there are other, bigger reasons why the line looks so good.

Texans Horror
09-20-2007, 04:24 PM
While our defenses has been good at giving us turnovers, I think everyone can agree that the reason our TOP has been so high is because of the crazy 10+ minute drives we have sustained multiple games in a row.

...ten-minute drives sustained by Ahman Green/Ron Dayne and Mike Sherman. Green Bay has given the Texans a lot. The cheeseheads should be jealous.

gtexan02
09-20-2007, 04:38 PM
I think they are doing pretty well

real
09-20-2007, 04:46 PM
But it's in relation to the o-line. I just think that while Schaub's helped, there are other, bigger reasons why the line looks so good.


You must've been a Carr supporter...

Can't see any bigger reason for the lines "improvement" than the guy taking snaps. JMO.

kastofsna
09-20-2007, 04:47 PM
Shameless self promotion is the mating call of the mute button!
Now, on the subject of shameless self promotion...
what self-promotion? all i'm saying is that i've believed in his abilities for a long time and am ecstatic that he's getting a chance to start.

kastofsna
09-20-2007, 04:55 PM
and by golly i'll post it 20 more times if i have to. ugh, stupid vBulletin

Specnatz
09-20-2007, 04:57 PM
It was so nice you thought you would post it twice, with a case of daja vu to go alnong with it.

The Pencil Neck
09-20-2007, 04:58 PM
what self-promotion? all i'm saying is that i've believed in his abilities for a long time and am ecstatic that he's getting a chance to start.


Methinks thou dost protesteth too much.

Or at least over and over...

:pirate:

Double Barrel
09-20-2007, 05:09 PM
But it's in relation to the o-line. I just think that while Schaub's helped, there are other, bigger reasons why the line looks so good.

I don't know, bro'...I'm not sure how much 'bigger' of a reason there is when you see such a significant improvement at QB. Schaub's quick release alone is improving their blocking skills, simply because of the time involved. No longer does our line have to hold blocks for 5, 6, 7 seconds before the QB decides what to do (if he decided at all).

Then factor in the fact that Schaub can read defenses pre-snap and make adjustments, pick up blitzes and call audibles to react accordingly, and he's not scared to throw down the middle of the field, I'm kind of amazed that you think other factors could be bigger than the upgrade to QB.

He also has those 'intangible' qualities, like leadership and poise, pocket presence and remaining calm in the face of adversity, that permeates the huddle. The linemen key on this positive vibe just like the skill positions do, and when they can trust their QB to make good decisions, that improves their play tremendously.

We had a 1,000+ yard rusher in DD for three years in a row (alright, last year he missed by a dozen yards). So we have had a running game in the past.

At the end of the day, we will just have to respectfully agree to disagree. If you put YKW on this exact same team, I seriously doubt you'd see the same results.

kastofsna
09-20-2007, 05:23 PM
Methinks thou dost protesteth too much.

Or at least over and over...

:pirate:
i have no idea what you're talking about. i stated my opinion, and that's that. it's not so hard to understand, really. you misinterpreted what i said, so i have no idea what you're talking about. i stated my opinion, and that's that. it's not so hard to understand, really. you misinterpreted what i said, so i have no idea what you're talking about. i stated my opinion, and that's that. it's not so hard to understand, really.

prostock101
09-20-2007, 06:28 PM
Not sure how I missed this, especially since I'm a genius and all, but what does "YKW" stand for?

GlassHalfFull
09-20-2007, 06:38 PM
Not sure how I missed this, especially since I'm a genius and all, but what does "YKW" stand for?

You Know Who - usually user for Carr. Took me forever to figure it out:cool:

Texans Horror
09-20-2007, 06:50 PM
You must've been a Carr supporter...

Can't see any bigger reason for the lines "improvement" than the guy taking snaps. JMO.

Carr had great comedic impacts for the viewer, but otherwise, I prefer the new guy.

But when it comes to the o-line, the differences are all coaching and the way the line is being used. Because the quarterback has a fast release may make him good, but at the end of the day those front five are still no better.

Texans Horror
09-20-2007, 06:57 PM
I don't know, bro'...I'm not sure how much 'bigger' of a reason there is when you see such a significant improvement at QB. Schaub's quick release alone is improving their blocking skills, simply because of the time involved. No longer does our line have to hold blocks for 5, 6, 7 seconds before the QB decides what to do (if he decided at all).

Then factor in the fact that Schaub can read defenses pre-snap and make adjustments, pick up blitzes and call audibles to react accordingly, and he's not scared to throw down the middle of the field, I'm kind of amazed that you think other factors could be bigger than the upgrade to QB.

He also has those 'intangible' qualities, like leadership and poise, pocket presence and remaining calm in the face of adversity, that permeates the huddle. The linemen key on this positive vibe just like the skill positions do, and when they can trust their QB to make good decisions, that improves their play tremendously.

We had a 1,000+ yard rusher in DD for three years in a row (alright, last year he missed by a dozen yards). So we have had a running game in the past.

At the end of the day, we will just have to respectfully agree to disagree. If you put YKW on this exact same team, I seriously doubt you'd see the same results.

No disrespect to DD, but you are seriously not comparing Ahman Green to Dominick Davis. DD got yards because teams knew they just had to concentrate on getting to Carr and double-covering AJ.

You're right. We're going to have to agree to disagree. I think Matt's doing a great job, but it doesn't excuse bad o-line play, which has happened, and it doesn't mean our guys are great linemen. It just means the Texans have found a way to cover-up a major flaw. For now.

Here's an intersting article on the difference between two Big XII quarterbacks this year. The writer argues that it is the line that is making the difference. If this were the Texans, though, the argument would be for the quarterbacks.
Link (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/stewart_mandel/09/19/mailbag/index.html)

The Pencil Neck
09-20-2007, 07:03 PM
Not sure how I missed this, especially since I'm a genius and all, but what does "YKW" stand for?

You Know Who.

prostock101
09-20-2007, 10:20 PM
You Know Who.

Thanks. Did anyone notice YKW on the Carolina sideline? The image of him with his ducktail hairdoo, Michael Jackson gloves and an earpiece, which I think was his IPod, still cracks me up. All he needed was to start doing the moonwalk to complete his ensemble......

whiskeyrbl
09-20-2007, 11:19 PM
One of the best post I have read all year. Thanks for your views, I agree with all.

real
09-21-2007, 11:23 AM
Here's an intersting article on the difference between two Big XII quarterbacks this year. The writer argues that it is the line that is making the difference. If this were the Texans, though, the argument would be for the quarterbacks.
Link (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/stewart_mandel/09/19/mailbag/index.html)




No QB can perform behind an absolutely terrible line....

Matt Schaub can perform behind our line because our line isn't terrible...

Though our line may not be great, David made them look worse...

David couldn't perform behind our line because he was a bad QB...

Matt can perform behind our line because he's pretty good...

A good QB + a solid/decent line = desireable results


If you're trying to let us know that our line isn't full of pro-bowlers I don't think you'd find many who'd dispute that...If you are trying to say our line is absolutely terrible or well below average, then I'd have to disagree...I believe David made them look that way in the past....If our line was truly as bad as you are making them sound Matt Schaub wouldn't have been as successful as he's been these last two game...period....Especially not going up against Peppers and Rucker and holding them to 0 sacks & 0 big plays. No amount of scheming in the world is going to mask a lines shortcomings THAT well.

JMO.

beerlover
09-21-2007, 12:15 PM
Looks like he has the making of a star- Jim Rome

a stones play by management (making the move for Schaub)- Jim Rome

Texans Horror
09-21-2007, 01:17 PM
No QB can perform behind an absolutely terrible line....

Matt Schaub can perform behind our line because our line isn't terrible...

Though our line may not be great, David made them look worse...

David couldn't perform behind our line because he was a bad QB...

Matt can perform behind our line because he's pretty good...

A good QB + a solid/decent line = desireable results


If you're trying to let us know that our line isn't full of pro-bowlers I don't think you'd find many who'd dispute that...If you are trying to say our line is absolutely terrible or well below average, then I'd have to disagree...I believe David made them look that way in the past....If our line was truly as bad as you are making them sound Matt Schaub wouldn't have been as successful as he's been these last two game...period....Especially not going up against Peppers and Rucker and holding them to 0 sacks & 0 big plays. No amount of scheming in the world is going to mask a lines shortcomings THAT well.

JMO.


Hmmmm...this all sounds like something I've heard before...

I don't think there's much truth in what you're saying, or is it the Spanish "Real," meaning regal or royalty?

Double Barrel
09-21-2007, 01:44 PM
I don't think there's much truth in what you're saying,

Then dispute what he is saying.

No disrespect to the NCAA, but you are seriously not comparing college ball to the NFL. That article is nice and all, but it doesn't necessarily translate to the pro game.

So, are you saying that Carr would be doing the same as Schaub behind this exact same team?

Are you disagreeing that Carr was making the line look bad?

You say the line is a "major flaw" that the Texans have "covered up". hmmmm, just add a RB and you get protection, poise in the pocket, and good QB decisions? Your math is not adding up. Maybe your perception of "major flaw" is the problem, because nobody - including the talking heads who used to say the same thing - agrees with your take. You do realize that this is the same line we had last year, yeah?

Texans Horror
09-21-2007, 02:43 PM
Then dispute what he is saying.

No disrespect to the NCAA, but you are seriously not comparing college ball to the NFL. That article is nice and all, but it doesn't necessarily translate to the pro game.

So, are you saying that Carr would be doing the same as Schaub behind this exact same team?

Are you disagreeing that Carr was making the line look bad?

You say the line is a "major flaw" that the Texans have "covered up". hmmmm, just add a RB and you get protection, poise in the pocket, and good QB decisions? Your math is not adding up. Maybe your perception of "major flaw" is the problem, because nobody - including the talking heads who used to say the same thing - agrees with your take. You do realize that this is the same line we had last year, yeah?

I am comparing NCAA and NFL lines, yes. A good o-line can make even half-way decent quarterbacks look good. A bad o-line can make good quarterbacks look bad. I do think Carr would be doing much better this year if he were still on the team because the run game would be much better, and so would the defense. I've always said I would have predicted the Texans to go 8-8 this year with Carr. That should show that I think the kid had at least something in there. I'm not selling him as the next great thing. I never thought he was more than serviceable goods that had been damaged, but I still think he could have taken the team to 8-8 this year. Along those lines, I'll restate that I think for Matt to pay off, the team needs to be 9-7.

I think the line still has a long ways to go before becoming even an average line. To be a good line, I want to see more than Schaub getting rid of the ball with a lightning release. I know that's why he was brought here, and I can see its very positive results (I won't dispute that), but I don't think that's made any of our front five guys better players. Rather, what the Texans did is instead of fixing the problem, they found a way around the problem. In the end, though, the problem of poor o-line play still exists and will eventually come back to haunt them this year.

What the Texans did to fix David Carr: throw more quarterback coaches at him.
What the Texans did to fix the line problems: pay good money for a pro-bowl running back and pay top-dollar for a new starting quarterback, both of which specialize in making the line look good.

In my opinion, it would have been easier and more expedient to simply buy or draft a top-tier left tackle and/or center.

I have not drunk the kool-aid, and I have not jumped on the bandwagon. Are the Texans improved? No doubt, but it's going to take a lot more than wins against a bottom-feeding Chiefs team and an NFC South team to make me feel confident. Is the play of the o-line still the major problem area? Only defensive secondary looks weaker to me.

Double Barrel
09-21-2007, 03:20 PM
Well, Texans Horror, it's been nice chatting with ya', but you completely lost me with your Carr blast. Dude was passed by 31 NFL teams to be a starter, and some of them have/had QB issues. The best he could land is a backup gig to Jake Delholme. So you are going against the grain of most analysis that have seen us the past few years and seen how much things have improved with Schaub. And to be honest, I'm going to believe what our offensive linemen, rest of team, and coaches say about it before I believe message board poster. No offense meant, but they tend to have more insight than any of us.

But it's all good. Some still wish to wear Carr homer blinders, and I respect your decision to do so. But, I think you will be proven wrong time and time again throughout this season, and until then, we'll leave it with the agree to disagree point of the discussion.

gtexan02
09-21-2007, 03:24 PM
Well, Texans Horror, it's been nice chatting with ya', but you completely lost me with your Carr blast. Dude was passed by 31 NFL teams to be a starter, and some of them have/had QB issues. The best he could land is a backup gig to Jake Delholme. So you are going against the grain of most analysis that have seen us the past few years and seen how much things have improved with Schaub. And to be honest, I'm going to believe what our offensive linemen, rest of team, and coaches say about it before I believe message board poster. No offense meant, but they tend to have more insight than any of us.

But it's all good. Some still wish to wear Carr homer blinders, and I respect your decision to do so. But, I think you will be proven wrong time and time again throughout this season, and until then, we'll leave it with the agree to disagree point of the discussion.

To be fair, Carr most likely had at least a few starting gigs open for him. I don't think he was passed by 31 teams. I think he was actively looking to be a backup. Another great insight into his leadership.

With regards to the Carr issue, I dont get what Texans horror is saying. Its the exact same line. Carr would do just like Carr has always done. How does defense make the line better?

The thing is, its not that the line is a bad line made to look better by Schaub. They were an average line that looked a lot worse because of Carr.

Marcus
09-21-2007, 03:28 PM
Texans Horror, I'm having very difficult time believing you're being sincere in denying how Carr's lack of pocket presence, lack of understanding the fundamentals of when to release the ball, etc, effected how the offensive line looked.

I'd feel a lot better if you just fessed up and admitted that you are just trying to stir things up.

But if you're not . . .Jeez.

The Pencil Neck
09-21-2007, 03:42 PM
I think the line still has a long ways to go before becoming even an average line. To be a good line, I want to see more than Schaub getting rid of the ball with a lightning release. I know that's why he was brought here, and I can see its very positive results (I won't dispute that), but I don't think that's made any of our front five guys better players. Rather, what the Texans did is instead of fixing the problem, they found a way around the problem. In the end, though, the problem of poor o-line play still exists and will eventually come back to haunt them this year.

Before this year, there was an argument whether any QB could perform behind our line. There were arguments made that Manning and Brady would have looked really bad behind our line. I think that argument is almost totally deflated. At one point, weren't you arguing that there was no way around the problem and that Schaub was going to get killed?

The point isn't that Schaub is making these guys better players. They're still going to make mistakes. All lines make mistakes. Do you think that Manning isn't hiding some of his line's mistakes? Any good QB is going to make his line look better and Schaub is a good QB (who is still improving). The problem with Carr was that he made his line look worse. I think it was hard to get a feel for how good or bad our line was as long as Carr was back there.

Carr makes the line look worse; Schaub makes the line look better. The truth is somewhere in between.

We still need to improve the line. And it does need to be a priority. But I think that Kubiak has shown that the line is not the abyss of talent and skill that it looked like with Carr back there and it's not needing the same type of complete overhaul it looked like it needed.

Vinny
09-21-2007, 04:04 PM
Before this year, there was an argument whether any QB could perform behind our line. There were arguments made that Manning and Brady would have looked really bad behind our line. I think that argument is almost totally deflated. At one point, weren't you arguing that there was no way around the problem and that Schaub was going to get killed?

The point isn't that Schaub is making these guys better players. They're still going to make mistakes. All lines make mistakes. Do you think that Manning isn't hiding some of his line's mistakes? Any good QB is going to make his line look better and Schaub is a good QB (who is still improving). The problem with Carr was that he made his line look worse. I think it was hard to get a feel for how good or bad our line was as long as Carr was back there.

Carr makes the line look worse; Schaub makes the line look better. The truth is somewhere in between.

We still need to improve the line. And it does need to be a priority. But I think that Kubiak has shown that the line is not the abyss of talent and skill that it looked like with Carr back there and it's not needing the same type of complete overhaul it looked like it needed.
Kubiak has not been afraid to release poor players...and I think it speaks volumes that the line is largely unchanged from last season and that we have 3 of the 5 original starters from opening day 2002. Some people just won't admit that their pov from years past is flawed.

Texans Horror
09-21-2007, 04:34 PM
I forget that if you don't think Schaub is Superman that you must be a blind Carr homer. And I'd like to remind you all that many of those talking heads and experts believed that the Texans screwed up again in the draft because they didn't properly address the line. Many have wondered how good Schaub will do, though everybody admitted that Schaub was probably an upgrade over Carr. So just because they've switched positions doesn't mean I'm going to stop thinking the line needs to be addressed and is a huge problem area for the Texans.

Vinny
09-21-2007, 04:39 PM
I forget that if you don't think Schaub is Superman that you must be a blind Carr homer. And I'd like to remind you all that many of those talking heads and experts believed that the Texans screwed up again in the draft because they didn't properly address the line. Many have wondered how good Schaub will do, though everybody admitted that Schaub was probably an upgrade over Carr. So just because they've switched positions doesn't mean I'm going to stop thinking the line needs to be addressed and is a huge problem area for the Texans.

This "huge problem" has been so problematic that the team is 2-0 and have given up 2 sacks in two games. Zero against one of the best front 7's in the NFL. This same line never had a team score 31 points in 5 years, and they reeled off 34 unanswered points in less than a full game...the second game ever for Schaub. Yeah, it's a "huge problem" area.

eriadoc
09-21-2007, 04:39 PM
Kubiak has not been afraid to release poor players...and I think it speaks volumes that the line is largely unchanged from last season and that we have 3 of the 5 original starters from opening day 2002. Some people just won't admit that their pov from years past is flawed.


Weary wasn't a starter in 2002, was he?

EDIT - I looked it up myself. Weary started 12 of 16 games in 2002. He did not start most of the following three years.

76Texan
09-21-2007, 05:54 PM
I believe there was some really loud cry about how bad our centers were.

On the other hand, at the moment, the line is not the same as last year.

How can you say that a banged-up McKinney and Salaam are the same as when they are healthy?

How can you say that a rookie like Winston is the same as a 2nd yr vet who's now more familiar with the system?

Even guys like Pitts and Weary can improve, can't they?
'Cause I don't think they have reached the top of their games yet.

76Texan
09-21-2007, 05:57 PM
And yes, I believe O.D. can improve as a blocker also.
And yes, I believe Ahman Green is a better blocker than Dayne can ever be.

Double Barrel
09-21-2007, 06:35 PM
I forget that if you don't think Schaub is Superman that you must be a blind Carr homer.

You're talking out of your assumption here. Nobody has advocated Schaub is Superman. Hyperbole not required.

We just recognize that he's a big upgrade over the QB we had before. Even the talking heads that could only talk about how Schaub was going to get killed behind the "worst.line.evar!" understand that they were wrong, as well. They changed their minds because their perceptions were faulty and it is clearly evident when looking at last year's team and looking at this year's work in progress.

The only reason I mentioned you're homering for Carr is your complete inability to recognize the dude is a bust in every sense of the word. A first overall pick in the draft should not be a backup by his 6th year if he's worthy of his draft status. You're trying to advocate that he'd be doing just as well as Schaub would right now, and that is a complete lack of reality comprehension when one QB is just better than the other. And to be honest, it doesn't take much to be better than David Carr.

As far as the line is concerned, I've never read anyone say that they are 'great'. But, they are better than many people thought, and, like most positions on the team, could always welcome upgrades.

JamTex
09-21-2007, 06:53 PM
Every aspect of the game for the Texans has changed since Kubiak took over. Now enter Matt Schaub.
Texans Football will never be the same.
THANK GOD!

Ole Miss Texan
09-23-2007, 02:21 PM
The thing I've been seeing and really notice today is that Matt Schaub doesn't panic. He's gotten pressured quite a bit in the first half but it never looks like he's scared or bug-eyed. He makes his decision and goes. That play he ran for a 4 yard gain, David Carr would have looked really flustered and panicked big time, then gotten sacked.

Schaub looks like he can handle anything they bring at him. Go Schauby Go!

GuerillaBlack
09-23-2007, 03:10 PM
Value of Matt Schaub sucks right now.

Ole Miss Texan
09-23-2007, 03:25 PM
Value of Matt Schaub sucks right now.

The first INT wasn't his fault. But the 2nd one right after that huge jacoby return was aweful.

That now makes a VERY poor decision in each game:
1) KC- Underthrew AJ resulted in an INT in the endzone.
2) CAR- Underthrew AJ into coverage, resulted in an INT near the endzone- ruled incomplet luckily.
3) IND- poor throw over the middle that resulted in an INT near the endzone.

Come on Schaub!!

Marcus
09-23-2007, 03:34 PM
Boy, I tell ya . . . the knee jerks on this board.:dontknowa

Take away the primary and backup running backs, the primary receiver, and you want to go crybaby when he tries to make something happen.:crazy:

He's not perfect. He's going to make mistakes, but if you think HE's the problem, you clearly don't know much about the game.

GuerillaBlack
09-23-2007, 03:36 PM
Boy, I tell ya . . . the knee jerks on this board.:dontknowa

Take away the primary and backup running backs, the primary receiver, and you want to go crybaby when he tries to make something happen.:crazy:

He's not perfect. He's going to make maistakes, but if you think HE's the problem, you clearly don't know much about the game.

That's true. Just caught up in the moment.

Ole Miss Texan
09-23-2007, 04:15 PM
Boy, I tell ya . . . the knee jerks on this board.:dontknowa

Take away the primary and backup running backs, the primary receiver, and you want to go crybaby when he tries to make something happen.:crazy:

He's not perfect. He's going to make maistakes, but if you think HE's the problem, you clearly don't know much about the game.

I'm just pointing out he has made some very poor decisions. Of course he's not going to be perfect, I don't expect him to be.

There's no way HE's the problem...He's the reason we were "always" in the game. It's just a little constructive critisism. Schaub is the MVP on our team. :)

Koolaid Time
09-23-2007, 04:15 PM
The thing I've been seeing and really notice today is that Matt Schaub doesn't panic. Schaub looks like he can handle anything they bring at him. Go Schauby Go!

No way Carr could have pulled off that 4th Quarter Drive..

HoustonFrog
09-23-2007, 04:18 PM
Value of Matt Schaub sucks right now.

I can't believe the people on this board. Do people actually watch football games and remember what it used to look like. He threw some picks. One was tipped and not his fault. He had one bad throw. Besides that he has been the most unshakable and consistent person on our team. I'm really starting lose faith in the Texan fan if they think Schaub wasn't a top performer today despite a few hiccups. In the past we would not have even made it a game. He hit his last 13-14 throws and avoided their rush multiple times. To me I'm enjoying watching a team that seesm to be heading places. I don't like picks in the red zone but I don't think doom and gloom like in the past.

The difference between other years and this year....we expect to win and the QB does too. We haven't been able to say that before. We are 2-1 and have never had a QB perform the way Schaub has.

TexansSeminole
09-23-2007, 04:22 PM
That's what happens when you can't run the ball. I think Gado isn't a very good running back. I haven't really seen anything positive out of him. We need to make some moves for another RB if Dayne and Green are going to be injured or playing with injuries.

DBCooper
09-23-2007, 04:23 PM
Schaub is playing well right now, but he has to stop throwing interceptions in the red zone. He has done it every game so far and got lucky the one last week was overturned. He must stop that now.

But, I feel much more comfortable with the game on the line having the ball in Schaub's hands.

DBCooper
09-23-2007, 04:25 PM
No way Carr could have pulled off that 4th Quarter Drive..

Carr would've been wondering if he could make it home in time to catch SpongeBob. lol

FirstTexansFan
09-23-2007, 04:42 PM
Carr would have given you the RCA dog look when you said Red Zone as well :)

GuerillaBlack
09-23-2007, 04:45 PM
I can't believe the people on this board. Do people actually watch football games and remember what it used to look like. He threw some picks. One was tipped and not his fault. He had one bad throw. Besides that he has been the most unshakable and consistent person on our team. I'm really starting lose faith in the Texan fan if they think Schaub wasn't a top performer today despite a few hiccups. In the past we would not have even made it a game. He hit his last 13-14 throws and avoided their rush multiple times. To me I'm enjoying watching a team that seesm to be heading places. I don't like picks in the red zone but I don't think doom and gloom like in the past.

The difference between other years and this year....we expect to win and the QB does too. We haven't been able to say that before. We are 2-1 and have never had a QB perform the way Schaub has.

Didn't I already say I was caught up in the moment and took the statement back?

HoustonFrog
09-23-2007, 04:49 PM
Didn't I already say I was caught up in the moment and took the statement back? Thanks for the (unneeded) speech though.

Yeah, sorry, but it wasn't just aimed at you. In fact I still wanted to write post apology because of other things I had read. No harm. No need to get smart. I can only type and see posts when I'm omnipotent in other areas of life. :)

GuerillaBlack
09-23-2007, 04:51 PM
That's fine. Now that I think about it, we didn't play too bad considering we had so many injuries in one game. AJ, Green, Jacoby, Killings, Dayne, McKinney, and I kno there are others.

Fox
09-23-2007, 04:57 PM
Schaub has made one bad (by bad I mean an easy pick for the opposing team) throw each game thus far, but he also has shown the ability to make throws all over the field and hold onto the ball for the most part. He was 27/33 today against a good Colts D with absolutely no running game and no AJ. His first pick was just one of those fluke picks, it went through Jacoby's hands and off of his helmet for an easy pick, but it was a catchable throw and not Schaub's fault. The second pick I think Schaub was trying to give us a quick strike and forced a throw without seeing the linebacker underneath. Inexcusable considering the circumstances but hopefully he will learn from it.

Remember, Schaub is still going to make some "rookie" mistakes even though he's not a rookie. That was only his 5th professional start. Hopefully we'll see those easy picks less and less frequently as Schaub continues developing as a starting QB.

xcomputerman
09-23-2007, 05:15 PM
Schaub's amazing composure continues to impress me. The guy just looks absolutely unshakeable out there. He comes back on after that horrible interception and launches a 50 yard monster to Andre Davis.

That's a quarterback, I tell ya.

kastofsna
09-23-2007, 06:10 PM
Schaub's amazing composure continues to impress me. The guy just looks absolutely unshakeable out there. He comes back on after that horrible interception and launches a 50 yard monster to Andre Davis.

That's a quarterback, I tell ya.
exactly. all quarterbacks make mistakes, they all throw interceptions, they all have fumbles here and there. but the ones that come back and throw a TD after the INT and learn from their mistakes....those are the ones that separate the good from the bad.

Lucky
09-23-2007, 06:13 PM
Schaub has made one bad (by bad I mean an easy pick for the opposing team) throw each game thus far...
Had the Texans shown any semblance of a running game, that play fake would have held Brackett and Schaub would have a TD pass rather than the INT. Thinking that play action would work there seems like an odd decision by Kubiak.

Matt Schaub has played extremely well thus far in the season. Considering his limited experience, he's better than anyone could have expected. Considering the talent he's playing with, Matt might be a MVP candidate if the Texans do make the playoffs (yes Jim Mora, I said playoffs). I'm very happy that Matt Schaub is the QB for the Houston Texans.

Rex King
09-23-2007, 06:31 PM
It looked like Schaub didn't even take a look to see if the receiver was open before he threw it. So I was "okay" thinking the play calling may have been part of it, but I was more concerned with the fumble we got away with.

Considering we were down to 3rd string RB and 2nd string receivers, he did a pretty good job. But a lot of credit to those receivers for stepping up.

Spike
09-23-2007, 06:33 PM
You can't blame him for the first interception, but the second throw didn't seem to have a chance. In his fifth start and his third start with the Texans, against the defending Superbowl Champs and arguably best team in the league, I think he played quite well.

I look at the last drive. With your top two RBs and two of your top WRs out, that last drive was all him. He showed incredible toughness after that sack and hit a big time 4th and long.

Players make mistakes, teams have injuries and offenses stall against good defenses - it is about how you respond. Schaub didn't have his best game of the season, but we were in it until the end. This team would have gotten blown out in years past.

gjmac2
09-23-2007, 06:37 PM
The only thing I'm concerned about with Schaub is the red zone decision making.
I think that will get better with experience. Overall, he has looked like the real deal.

Ckw
09-23-2007, 07:44 PM
Everyone else has held me together. I was at the game and extremely disappointed with that INT in the red zone, BUT Schaub did bounce back extremely well. You guys are helping me keep my head up. Schaub did play well against a really good team with Bob Sanders, and I just can't hold it against Schaub. He was missing an amazing receiver, a good running back, and a decent receiver. :texflag:

Texans_Chick
09-23-2007, 08:26 PM
To me, the 4th down conversion near the end was the most impressive thing.

He had just got a face full of dirt and grass, and was pulling it out of his eyes and mouth, called a play, and got it done.

I would have liked them to work a little quicker at the end of the game, but I am guessing it wasn't easy to figure out what plays to call given which personnel is available. If you are pressed into using Jameel Cook as your running back, well then, you are doing a bit of creative thinking figuring out what you are going to run.

Texans_Chick
09-23-2007, 08:29 PM
It looked like Schaub didn't even take a look to see if the receiver was open before he threw it. So I was "okay" thinking the play calling may have been part of it, but I was more concerned with the fumble we got away with.

Considering we were down to 3rd string RB and 2nd string receivers, he did a pretty good job. But a lot of credit to those receivers for stepping up.

This is what Kubiak said about it:

(on the play call that resulted in an interception in the redzone) “We were trying to run a pump scene. We were trying to set everybody down with a little pump to the left and more verticals. That’s a play that we’ve run on them a couple times with some success. The right linebacker did a heck of a job. He got back. If (QB) Matt (Schaub) sees that guy covered he should dump it down to (WR) Jerome (Mathis). So in hindsight you’d like to see him go to number three. On the spur of the moment there, we made a big play, we’re fixing to get right back in the ball game. We probably got a little greedy. That’s what we were doing right there. But he knows he can’t turn the ball over for us to have a chance to win this game.

That sort of play is a lot harder to run when your running game can't get going at all. The linebacker doesn't have to play honest.

Texans Horror
09-23-2007, 08:53 PM
Without the run game, the pass game becomes very difficult, especially in the Texans' schemes. They didn't have it this week, and that made everything that much harder. Salaam also didn't have a good day. Schaub looked rushed all day (though he did very well under pressure). I thought Flanagan did fine coming in for McKinney, but that the big loss, Ahman Green and Ron Dayne, pretty much put the game in the bag. (I thought the o-line did a poor job run-blocking.)

Sure Schaub threw a few picks, but he did very well. I knew the difference between KC and now is that KC wasn't able to do anything with an interception, and eventually the Texans would face a team that could really burn them on interceptions. Schaub is a vet in the league, but this is still his first season. He's only going to continue to improve.

BattleRedToro
09-23-2007, 08:59 PM
I also felt like the losses of Dayne and Green really hurt the Texans chances to win. It may come as a surprise but I feel like Dayne was a bigger loss than Green. I want to see a team play keep away with a punishing up-the-middle RB against the Colts this season. I think it could be devastatingly effective against the smallish Colts.

Texans Horror
09-23-2007, 09:06 PM
Above all other things, the Texans need to be able to run the ball, and they need to be able to stop the run. Against KC and Carolina, they did just that. Today, they weren't able to do either. But the good news is that none of the injuries sound really bad. I'm hoping most of the guys (especially Green/Dayne) will be back by next week.

Texans_Chick
09-23-2007, 09:35 PM
I also felt like the losses of Dayne and Green really hurt the Texans chances to win. It may come as a surprise but I feel like Dayne was a bigger loss than Green. I want to see a team play keep away with a punishing up-the-middle RB against the Colts this season. I think it could be devastatingly effective against the smallish Colts.

I'm not sure that the way that the Colts played today that Dayne would have made any difference. They intended to shut down the run, and schemed for it.

I do think that despite Schaub being able to move the ball around, the Texans really did miss AJ to be a bigger big play threat in making the Colts pay for stacking the box and to play honest.

barberman
09-23-2007, 11:26 PM
Not enough weapons on our side today, We will be another shot at them latter in the season.

BattleRedToro
09-23-2007, 11:26 PM
I'm not sure that the way that the Colts played today that Dayne would have made any difference. They intended to shut down the run, and schemed for it.

I do think that despite Schaub being able to move the ball around, the Texans really did miss AJ to be a bigger big play threat in making the Colts pay for stacking the box and to play honest.

Eventually, some team with the right personnel and attitude is going to test my hypothesis that a smash-mouth power run approach might prove to be dominating against the Colts. I don't care that the Colts were focused on shutting down the run. I want to see them do it against a team with the nasty running mentality similar to the Larry Czonka era Dolphins, Earl Campbell era Oilers, John Riggins era Redskins, or most recently the Jerome Bettis era Steelers. I'm not conviced that they can stop that kind of running offense.

Leahmic223
09-23-2007, 11:39 PM
I'm not sure that the way that the Colts played today that Dayne would have made any difference. They intended to shut down the run, and schemed for it.

I do think that despite Schaub being able to move the ball around, the Texans really did miss AJ to be a bigger big play threat in making the Colts pay for stacking the box and to play honest.

Yeah AJ was surely missed.

I think had AJ been there they would have had to play back more or pay for it opening up the running game more and given us a better chance.

But Schaub did great with what he had...my ONLY ONLY knock against him is that every INT he has thrown has been in the redzone because he tries to force the TD. Hopefully he'll learn to stop doing that down there.

Ole Miss Texan
09-23-2007, 11:42 PM
But Schaub did great with what he had...my ONLY ONLY knock against him is that every INT he has thrown has been in the redzone because he tries to force the TD. Hopefully he'll learn to stop doing that down there.

That bugs me as well, probably bugs Kubiak the most. He's only allowed to do that if we win!

Leahmic223
09-23-2007, 11:46 PM
That bugs me as well, probably bugs Kubiak the most. He's only allowed to do that if we win!

I think I will accept it until about week 8. I think he is just trying so hard to make the play, to be the guy he forces it. I don't know whats up but it has been a recurring theme. We leave points on the board when we turn it over in the redzone.

DBCooper
09-24-2007, 12:22 AM
I also felt like the losses of Dayne and Green really hurt the Texans chances to win. It may come as a surprise but I feel like Dayne was a bigger loss than Green. I want to see a team play keep away with a punishing up-the-middle RB against the Colts this season. I think it could be devastatingly effective against the smallish Colts.

I don't know. This Colt defense is alot better at stopping the run than the one we saw last year.

Leahmic223
09-24-2007, 12:25 AM
I don't know. This Colt defense is alot better at stopping the run than the one we saw last year.

I think the Colts like TC said stacked the box and never paid for it. Which is why Andre just being there as a threat helped. Also Dayne worked against the Colts so well because their defense focuses on speed, so if you have a power back in there you'd expect them to fall forward 5 yards consistently.

Texanmike02
09-24-2007, 04:15 AM
I was one of the most vocal supporters of Carr last year. At the same time, around mid December I could see the writing on the wall. Carr was no good for Houston and we were no good for him. I started calling for Schaub about that time. I was very excited to see we had made the trade. I felt by the end, that Carr was unfixable. I think he had potential, but that Capers and CC had screwed him up by the end of the 3rd season. There was a QB that was smart enough to hold the ball out over the goal line as he was being sacked.. avoiding the safety.. don't know what happened to him... but he dissapeared by the 2nd half of year 3. He became gunshy and sickly looking. He was durable physically but I fear, he wasn't mentally. Either wasy the split was good for everyone. Maybe Carr can go get reprogrammed and start again. As for Schaub. He's everything I wanted..

1. He's smart..
2. He's decisive
3. He's got an arm
4. He's not good looking so I don't have to worry about my wife staring at him while we're watching the game.

Mike

BattleRedToro
09-24-2007, 09:23 AM
I don't know. This Colt defense is alot better at stopping the run than the one we saw last year.

They have been good against smallish East-to-West runners. They have not been really tested by a powerful North-to-South runner.

I think the Colts like TC said stacked the box and never paid for it. Which is why Andre just being there as a threat helped. Also Dayne worked against the Colts so well because their defense focuses on speed, so if you have a power back in there you'd expect them to fall forward 5 yards consistently.

I agree with this analysis as well. The loss of Andre Johnson was huge in the way it effected the Colts Defensive adjustments.

HoustonFrog
09-24-2007, 09:29 AM
I'll reiterate what I said in the "WOW" thread. ...this team is different. People were ripping Schaub some yesterday and I didn't get it. We were down 17 pts, didn't have our top 2 receivers, didn't have our top 2 RBs, didn't have our starting center and yet he completed 14 straight passes. They were talking about this on the radio this morning too. That's incredible considering that the Colts knew what we had to do and just laid their ears back. He took some shots and still kept us in the game.

The1ApplePie
09-24-2007, 11:00 AM
I'm glad Schaub isn't a "Made by a WR" Qb. I half expected him to suck without AJ to bail him out, but he did a good job.

HoustonFrog
09-24-2007, 11:03 AM
I'm glad Schaub isn't a "Made by a WR" Qb. I half expected him to suck without AJ to bail him out, but he did a good job.

I'm glad you said that because pre-game Smith said something to the effect that this team is a "system" team and that while Andre is a stud and it hurts, they hope that you plug in an "X" receiver and he still gets the job done.