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texanfan2002114
09-16-2007, 12:33 PM
sucks!!!!!!!!!!!

pappy
09-16-2007, 12:34 PM
He is giving it up to steve smith :devilpig:

Shaft75
09-16-2007, 12:34 PM
Why In The Hell Do We Have Faggins On Smith????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!?????????????? ?????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Shaft75
09-16-2007, 12:34 PM
I wish I could reach out and knock his ass upside the head!

prostock101
09-16-2007, 12:38 PM
I don't disagree. Why not have D-Rob on Smith? Our best CB should be on their best reciever.

Yippee!!!! AJ scores!

Well, they read this board and already moved D-Rob over to Smith.

Leahmic223
09-16-2007, 03:10 PM
Drob shut him down, or got close to it.

gg no re
09-16-2007, 03:13 PM
I think one of the reasons that Faggins is covering receivers that DRob should be covering is that the Texans D likes to assign their corners not on player vs. player but player on field side.

TexanSam
09-16-2007, 03:17 PM
Faggins is going to be torched by the Colts next week. Dunta can't cover both Wayne and Harrison.

Ryan
09-16-2007, 03:17 PM
faggins doesn't suck, he was just completely outmatched by one of the top wr's in the game.

FirstTexansFan
09-16-2007, 03:18 PM
I foresee another victory...the only torch will be the flame out the jet engines as the Colts leave the airport in defeat :)

AndreRulz
09-16-2007, 03:18 PM
start flecther, he's better.

gg no re
09-16-2007, 03:22 PM
Faggins is going to be torched by the Colts next week. Dunta can't cover both Wayne and Harrison.If the Titans held the Colts to 22 with no-names in their secondary, I don't think we have to worry that much

DBCooper
09-16-2007, 04:52 PM
If the Titans held the Colts to 22 with no-names in their secondary, I don't think we have to worry that much

Yeah, not much.

Just Peyton, Addai, Harrison, Clark, Wayne........am I missing anyone?

PapaL
09-16-2007, 04:55 PM
Yeah, not much.

Just Peyton, Addai, Harrison, Clark, Wayne........am I missing anyone?

Gonzales and Utecht. That just about rounds them out. Stop all of them and I'm sure we'll easily win. :cowboy1:

CLTEXAN_FAN
09-16-2007, 05:56 PM
Faggins does suck against Steve Smith but most of the other corners in the league also suck against Smith.

Faggins is just an average CB and Steve Smith is a top reciever in the league.

Yankee_In_TX
09-16-2007, 05:59 PM
Faggins, while making some good play today, stinks in one on one DB on WR coverage. Period. He's my D-Burnt.

texanfan2002114
09-16-2007, 07:09 PM
Faggins should be a nickel back at most. DRob got on Steve Smith and thats when the Texans D turned it around!! Trust me, I an mot one of those people that always try to find a negative to complain about but Faggins needs to step up his game next week.

TheIronDuke
09-16-2007, 07:14 PM
I don't ever want to see Petey lined up against an elite WR, ever.

For god's sakes, don't they remember Lee Evans last year? I do.

DocBar
09-16-2007, 07:36 PM
Faggins on Smith was my biggest fear going into this game. I'm glad the coaching staff made the change and put D-Rob on him. That long TD catch was a fluke. D-Rob pretty much shut Smith down.

rvguy121
09-16-2007, 07:39 PM
I think we'll be fine against the colts. The reason I say that is because of the way our front 7 is playing..."lights out" as they said during the game. If this continues we'll be getting plenty of attention soon...don't worry about Indy's receivers with that kind of play!!

TheIronDuke
09-16-2007, 07:41 PM
I think we'll be fine against the colts. The reason I say that is because of the way our front 7 is playing..."lights out" as they said during the game. If this continues we'll be getting plenty of attention soon...even against Indy's receivers.

I dunno, usually if you shut down the running game, like we're capable of doing, you force the team to pretty much pass all the time. Don't know if that's what we want with Peyton and co. The Colts will always be scary until Peyton retires.

rvguy121
09-16-2007, 07:44 PM
I dunno, usually if you shut down the running game, like we're capable of doing, you force the team to pretty much pass all the time. Don't know if that's what we want with Peyton and co. The Colts will always be scary until Peyton retires.

True, they will pass more...but putting pressure on a quarterback like that means he may throw more interceptions and make other mistakes. But that's just me.

TheIronDuke
09-16-2007, 07:48 PM
True, they will pass more...but putting pressure on a quarterback like that means he may throw more interceptions and make other mistakes. But that's just me.

I hear you, but I don't want Peyton to be focused on passing against us and Peyton's notoriously hard to get to. Luckily, Boulware should be ready now so hopefully we can cover their WR's. Guess we'll see!

rvguy121
09-16-2007, 07:54 PM
I hear you, but I don't want Peyton to be focused on passing against us and Peyton's notoriously hard to get to. Luckily, Boulware should be ready now so hopefully we can cover their WR's. Guess we'll see!

Boulware and Demps saw action today. Seem like they're coming along just fine....I'm just stoked about the way the teams playing now!!:d:

DBCooper
09-16-2007, 07:54 PM
Faggins on Smith was my biggest fear going into this game. I'm glad the coaching staff made the change and put D-Rob on him. That long TD catch was a fluke. D-Rob pretty much shut Smith down.

I'll say it was a fluke, that was DeMeco that had him wrapped up. (almost)

Good effort by Smith.

rvguy121
09-16-2007, 07:57 PM
I'll say it was a fluke, that was DeMeco that had him wrapped up. (almost)

Good effort by Smith.

He's great receiver, and I think we did very well defensively in containing their entire team, and not just Smith.

TEXANS84
09-16-2007, 08:25 PM
I've thought recently that Faggins should move back to the nickel and Fletcher to the CB position.

Texans Horror
09-16-2007, 08:51 PM
Good, so now every team knows we have one corner. As long as no team has more than one good receiver (surprisingly, many don't), then we are okay.

Pass away from Dunta!!!

There should be a Dunta "bring the wood" smiley, but not this one:

:club:

kiwitexansfan
09-16-2007, 09:50 PM
I've thought recently that Faggins should move back to the nickel and Fletcher to the CB position.

Obviously my adopted Texan would love to start.

I see Fletcher as more athleticly gifted than Faggins but he isn't a lock down type, he is more a ball player type who will get out of position but still be able to close on the ball and make something happen (he may also not close in time and give up a play however).

MEGA SWATT
09-16-2007, 10:16 PM
did you hear the announcer call him FAG-ins a couple of times early on. After the commercial break, he was calling him FAY-gins.:whip:

Texans_Chick
09-16-2007, 10:35 PM
Hello?

Faggins is what we thought he was.

He got torched twice by Lee Evans last season, so WTH did Richard Smith think was going to happen when the Texans were going to face Carolina and Steve Smith???? Did he think that Steve was going to be running to Dunta's side of the field?????

I really want an explanation of this.

Most CB can't cover Smith straight up. It is totally uncool to put Petey in that position.

IIRC, in the spirit of fairness, it was Faggins that stripped the ball in the endzone that resulted in the ST touchdown. FWIW.

The Pencil Neck
09-16-2007, 10:41 PM
Hello?

Faggins is what we thought he was.

He got torched twice by Lee Evans last season, so WTH did Richard Smith think was going to happen when the Texans were going to face Carolina and Steve Smith???? Did he think that Steve was going to be running to Dunta's side of the field?????

I really want an explanation of this.

Most CB can't cover Smith straight up. It is totally uncool to put Petey in that position.

IIRC, in the spirit of fairness, it was Faggins that stripped the ball in the endzone that resulted in the ST touchdown. FWIW.

Petey had a pretty good day. Sure, one TD suxxored. But the other that Petey gave up was a pretty amazing play and display of concentration by Smith. A lot of wideouts wouldn't have made that catch.

And of course the forced fumble.

TexansLucky13
09-16-2007, 10:44 PM
Petey had a pretty good day. Sure, one TD suxxored. But the other that Petey gave up was a pretty amazing play and display of concentration by Smith. A lot of wideouts wouldn't have made that catch.

And of course the forced fumble.

Agreed. I think people are making too much of this. Should Faggins have been up against Smith? No. But does Faggins suck? Certainly not.

I do agree that Dunta should start covering number ones rather than just the left side.

mexican_texan
09-16-2007, 10:46 PM
Agreed. I think people are making too much of this. Should Faggins have been up against Smith? No. But does Faggins suck? Certainly not.


That's debatable.


I do agree that Dunta should start covering number ones rather than just the left side.
And make it obvious that we're playing man or zone?

TexansLucky13
09-16-2007, 10:49 PM
That's debatable.

Let's debate then. As the accuser, you may strike first.

Wolf
09-16-2007, 10:51 PM
Hello?

Faggins is what we thought he was.

He got torched twice by Lee Evans last season, so WTH did Richard Smith think was going to happen when the Texans were going to face Carolina and Steve Smith???? Did he think that Steve was going to be running to Dunta's side of the field?????

I really want an explanation of this.

Most CB can't cover Smith straight up. It is totally uncool to put Petey in that position.

IIRC, in the spirit of fairness, it was Faggins that stripped the ball in the endzone that resulted in the ST touchdown. FWIW.

I agree with this.. I was suprised that the Texans had Faggins on him, but even more suprised that he had NO help from the safeties.

vtech9
09-16-2007, 11:06 PM
I've said it many times before, and I'll say it again...Faggins is a very good nickle-back, but he is not a good cover corner. He is average at best.

rollinstone18
09-16-2007, 11:08 PM
Faggins isn't a good #2 CB.

I'll eat crow if he shuts down Wayne next week.

The Pencil Neck
09-17-2007, 12:01 AM
Faggins isn't a good #2 CB.

I'll eat crow if he shuts down Wayne next week.


This actually brings up the question... IS Wayne playing next week?

He took a shot in the Titans game and apparently dislocated his shoulder or something.

eriadoc
09-17-2007, 12:11 AM
Petey had a pretty good day. Sure, one TD suxxored. But the other that Petey gave up was a pretty amazing play and display of concentration by Smith. A lot of wideouts wouldn't have made that catch.

And of course the forced fumble.

And that TD sucked as bad, IMO. Faggins has a serious problem NOT looking for the ball when he does have tight coverage. If he had simply looked back and played the ball at that point, he would have prevented that TD. Instead, he keeps his back to the ball and allows Smith to pull that off.

I am seriously not liking Faggins out there. Above and beyond that, it kills me that we always seem to have D-Rob covering Bob The #2 WR while Faggins covers the other team's top guy. FORGET THE FREAKIN' ONE-SIDE-OF-THE-FIELD-COVERAGE PLAN!!!!!!! Dunta is your best corner, by a mile - put him on the team's other top corner!

All that said, it didn't matter, so I am happy. I have been grinning like a fool all day :)

Texans Horror
09-17-2007, 12:22 AM
I don't like his work, either. It will haunt us all season. In my crystal ball, I see a cornerback either free-agented or drafted in the offseason...

:fortune:

Wolf
09-17-2007, 12:25 AM
I hope Fred Bennett comes around and takes over the starting position next season.

:D
:specnatz:

Speedy
09-17-2007, 12:32 AM
I dunno, usually if you shut down the running game, like we're capable of doing, you force the team to pretty much pass all the time. Don't know if that's what we want with Peyton and co. The Colts will always be scary until Peyton retires.
That's why you run, run, run, and run when you play the Colts. They're going to pass whether you stop their run or not. You beat them by eating clock with your run game and keeping Manning off the field.....like they did on Christmas Eve.

threetoedpete
09-17-2007, 12:56 AM
sucks!!!!!!!!!!!

No he doen't. He is a sixeth round guy giving you 110% every play. He locked the game away with the FF on the kick off. I'll agree that there is no way he should be locked in a one on one situation with an elite speed WR. But...he did play lights out today. Coaches fault not putting him a position which suit his tallents. He can only do what he can do.

eriadoc
09-17-2007, 02:43 AM
No he doen't. He is a sixeth round guy giving you 110% every play.

I guarantee you that if they put me out there, I'd give them 10000% every single play. And I would still suck. Faggins does not belong on the football field against anything better than an opposing team's third-best wide receiver.

dalemurphy
09-17-2007, 04:59 AM
Faggins is a solid CB. There is only one Champ Bailey in the NFL. Everyone else gets beat, particularly by the great WRs. Steve Smith is the best WR in the NFL. This defense should roll it's coverage toward Faggins most of the time. They didn't do that on those Smith TDs and we paid for it. Of course we could upgrade at CB but I do believe that there aren't 60 Cbs in this league I'd prefer to Petey... By the way, he'll make quite a few plays this season... Everyone remembers Lee Evans beating him for two TDs, but they seem to forget plays he's made for this team. When he returned from his foot injury last year, the defense instantly improved. I think he had 2 turnovers in the Jacksonville game we won last year. Oh, and don't forget the Jacksonville game in 04 when he picked one off and took it to the house to make it 20-6!

eriadoc
09-17-2007, 03:26 PM
Faggins is a solid CB. There is only one Champ Bailey in the NFL. Everyone else gets beat, particularly by the great WRs. Steve Smith is the best WR in the NFL. This defense should roll it's coverage toward Faggins most of the time. They didn't do that on those Smith TDs and we paid for it. Of course we could upgrade at CB but I do believe that there aren't 60 Cbs in this league I'd prefer to Petey... By the way, he'll make quite a few plays this season... Everyone remembers Lee Evans beating him for two TDs, but they seem to forget plays he's made for this team. When he returned from his foot injury last year, the defense instantly improved. I think he had 2 turnovers in the Jacksonville game we won last year. Oh, and don't forget the Jacksonville game in 04 when he picked one off and took it to the house to make it 20-6!

It's not that he gets beat; it's how he gets beat. He gets smoked by anyone with speed. OK, fine. One would presume that he would fare better against a receiver that he can stay close with. Then, when he does manage to stay in a receiver's face, he doesn't play the ball. I've seen him get burned for plays too many times in cases where he should have turned around and looked for the ball. If he's 10 yards off the ball (a la the Lee Evans TDs last year), then turning around and playing the ball is going to do him no good. In that TD against Smith last week, all he had to do was turn his head and play the ball. I've seen him burned for pass plays and interference calls in the same kind of situation. So yeah, every CB gets burned. WRs get paid to play, and they have the advantage of knowing where they're going. I get it. Faggins loses in areas where he shouldn't.

I don't dislike Faggins, and I am not arguing against his talent or work ethic. Like many have said - he is what he is. He just needs to be relegated to nickel role. Just because someone is not talented enough to do a job is not reason enough to give them a pass. I don't know that Jamar Fletcher is any better, though, and we'll all just have to wait and see on Bennett, I suppose.

Specnatz
09-17-2007, 04:26 PM
It's not that he gets beat; it's how he gets beat. He gets smoked by anyone with speed. OK, fine. One would presume that he would fare better against a receiver that he can stay close with. Then, when he does manage to stay in a receiver's face, he doesn't play the ball. I've seen him get burned for plays too many times in cases where he should have turned around and looked for the ball. If he's 10 yards off the ball (a la the Lee Evans TDs last year), then turning around and playing the ball is going to do him no good. In that TD against Smith last week, all he had to do was turn his head and play the ball. I've seen him burned for pass plays and interference calls in the same kind of situation. So yeah, every CB gets burned. WRs get paid to play, and they have the advantage of knowing where they're going. I get it. Faggins loses in areas where he shouldn't.

I don't dislike Faggins, and I am not arguing against his talent or work ethic. Like many have said - he is what he is. He just needs to be relegated to nickel role. Just because someone is not talented enough to do a job is not reason enough to give them a pass. I don't know that Jamar Fletcher is any better, though, and we'll all just have to wait and see on Bennett, I suppose.

Trying to remember which touchdown it was the 1st or 2nd but do not recall.

Smith catches the ball and instead of trying to make the tackle, he tried to do an end around and strip the ball and was just thrown to the side and Smith walks into the endzone. I am sure the Panthers would have scored anyway but why not try and knock him out of bounds instead of trying for the strip. It was a very poor decision and that is what he does repeatedly.