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Joe Texan
09-13-2007, 09:08 PM
And they should get it


http://www.yahoo.com/s/676284

jaybird
09-13-2007, 09:10 PM
Goddell just ruled as well... Pats fined 250k, Bill 500k, and they lose next year's #1 if they make the playoffs and their #2 and #3 if they do not.

Noblesse Oblige
09-13-2007, 09:11 PM
this is pretty weird in light on recent disclosures:

Sheldon Brown and the Eagles hoped a blitz would rattle Tom Brady.

One problem: Every time the Eagles rushed Brady in the Super Bowl, the Patriots nullified the defensive attack with screen passes. Lots of them. On almost every play defensive coordinator Jim Johnson called for a blitz, the Patriots used the short pass to confuse the Eagles.

powerfuldragon
09-13-2007, 09:19 PM
maybe all the patriots cheating themed threads should be merged

Joe Texan
09-13-2007, 09:23 PM
This is not a patriots cheating thread numbskull it is a thread about the eagles and how they want thier ring

I guess that dragon aint so powerful

powerfuldragon
09-14-2007, 11:33 AM
This is not a patriots cheating thread numbskull it is a thread about the eagles and how they want thier ring

I guess that dragon aint so powerful

tell me, why do the eagles want their ring?

TexanSam
09-14-2007, 11:40 AM
If there's other proof of the Patriots cheating, then I think Goodell will punish the Patriots and Belichek more. These fines were just for this one incident I believe. I can't imagine the NFL isn't looking even deeper into this issue.

Ole Miss Texan
09-14-2007, 11:46 AM
If there's other proof of the Patriots cheating, then I think Goodell will punish the Patriots and Belichek more. These fines were just for this one incident I believe. I can't imagine the NFL isn't looking even deeper into this issue.

Agreed. I'm in no way taking sides on the Pats or anything..but this punishment if for this one incident. They were filming for future planning not for 'in-game' strategy.

As far as the Eagles go, There would need to be "Indisputable Evidence" (lol) that the Pats used 'illegal' video footage/ spying/ def. play calls, etc. to counter the Eag's blitzes.

Does seem very suspicious to me though.

Texan_Bill
09-14-2007, 11:53 AM
The Eagles lost. Screw them. I am not pimping the Patriots, but the fact is, if you are standing across the field, you are looking at the other teams coaches and their signals anyways..... Videotaping is a bit much - sure. But still - don't tell me Texans assistant coaches aren't watching the opposing teams coaches...

Note to Eagles.... Win it outright or STFU!!!

infantrycak
09-14-2007, 11:55 AM
Agreed. I'm in no way taking sides on the Pats or anything..but this punishment if for this one incident. They were filming for future planning not for 'in-game' strategy.

That's not necessarily true. If they can pick up signals in the 1st quarter or half, they will use them within the same game later on.

The Pencil Neck
09-14-2007, 12:03 PM
Actually, if you watch McNabb's news conference, he says something like "Well, maybe we can get our ring back." And he says it totally deadpan. After a few seconds as the reporters are processing what he said, he smiles really big at them.

He was just joking around about it.

Double Barrel
09-14-2007, 12:04 PM
Well, the only way they will get a ring is too buy one. Not crying about being beat. Now Pats got the Maximum Fine and the 1st forfeiture on the draft ever. So, add that too their shame that they are getting... Let's play some football.


Well said, caddy. The Eagles players sound like a bunch of sore losers. Andy Reid said the win was 100% legit and his team just got soundly beaten. End of story. :cowboy1:

m.clizzle
09-14-2007, 01:34 PM
Being the biggest Eagles fan on this board, i can tell you

WE WANT OUR RINGS.

:)

Thanks for posting Joe.

http://mattclarke.dns2go.com

Tedc
09-14-2007, 01:46 PM
You can't change history. You can only affect their future but I feel there needed to be a suspension as well of 2-3 games.

The fines and future draft pick don't have enough backbone.

HoustonFrog
09-14-2007, 01:48 PM
Well said, caddy. The Eagles players sound like a bunch of sore losers. Andy Reid said the win was 100% legit and his team just got soundly beaten. End of story. :cowboy1:

I agree. When we played football in high school we studied tape and learned that out of certain formations and defensive sets there were certain plays coming. We would bust teams before the play happened. These guys study this stuff day and night. Add to that that stealing signals through binoculars or whatever isn't uncommon and I'm sure every team has tried to get the upper hand. Using videotape was over the line and the fine and loss of picks was deserved but the Eagles need to get over it and maybe blame their out of shape QB for not getting them set quick enough.

Ole Miss Texan
09-14-2007, 02:59 PM
That's not necessarily true. If they can pick up signals in the 1st quarter or half, they will use them within the same game later on.

It takes time to analyze the calls and tie them to the play, and then compare all the variables to when the same play is called, same signal is used, etc. I never watch football signals, are they like baseball? In baseball I've been given upwards of 20 signals and am just focusing on 1. They can use that signal as much as possible turning the 'bunt' sign (for example) to on/off/on again/ off again, etc. of course that was kyle chapman which is fairly simple and no teams are stealing signals at that age...i reckon.

These are pros probably trying to analyze, so completely understand where you're coming from and do agree to an extent. I just feel it would be next to impossible to make a turn around within the game, that quickly. Given that there isn't going to be that many signals in only 1 qtr.

NYJ had the ball 3 times in the 1st qtr. Their first drive was unsuccefull but they picked up a first down or two. The last two drives were 3 and out. So there was little info to be gained.

Again though, i do hear you. If the pats could interpret those signals, they definitly would try and use them in the 2nd half :)

Jackofalltrades
09-14-2007, 03:02 PM
Panthers lost the SB on a last second FG, I think we're entitled to the title of World Champs for 2003.

Former Panther says Brady knew when and where the blitzes were coming from...

For me, it's water under the bridge.

infantrycak
09-14-2007, 03:08 PM
I just feel it would be next to impossible to make a turn around within the game, that quickly. Given that there isn't going to be that many signals in only 1 qtr.

Couple points. First, these guys probably had the camera real time downloading to a computer so other people could analyze. Second, they probably aren't trying to decipher every signal. What they are looking for are the specific signals for formations/blitzes/coverages they think they can exploit.

For example, against KC the Texans players and coaches saw what appeared to be a weakness in a coverage with the safety not coming over to the middle of the field. They drew up that play with AJ that resulted in the 77 yd TD. It would be really nice to not only see the same formation, but by knowing the signals, know the same coverage was called. The other classic example would be blitzes--teams will give a WLB blitz several times but it will only happen on some of the plays. Review one where it goes and one where he backs off to see the signals and then on the next plays with that look you have an advantage.

Remember, in a typical football game the result can hang on 2-3 plays changing the course of the day.

Errant Hothy
09-14-2007, 03:57 PM
I wonder waht Wade Wilson is thinking right now? He gets suspended for 5 games for taking HGH to help him "get up", and "The Hood" gets a fine.

TexansLucky13
09-14-2007, 04:34 PM
http://picturebook.chattablogs.com/archives/images/06_02_11.jpg

I didn't know it was the Eagles style to cry like little babies.

I agree with the Commish 100%. There was no evidence that the tape was going to be used during the game. Innocent until proven guilty.

Oh, and Elle.... how can you even argue that he should have been suspended, in comparison to players. Newsflash, chicka.... The players who got suspended by Goodell were CRIMINALS. Belichick did nothing illegal, but he did violate the NFL Bylaws. There is a HUGE difference.

Noblesse Oblige
09-14-2007, 05:18 PM
http://picturebook.chattablogs.com/archives/images/06_02_11.jpg

I didn't know it was the Eagles style to cry like little babies.

I agree with the Commish 100%. There was no evidence that the tape was going to be used during the game. Innocent until proven guilty.

Oh, and Elle.... how can you even argue that he should have been suspended, in comparison to players. Newsflash, chicka.... The players who got suspended by Goodell were CRIMINALS. Belichick did nothing illegal, but he did violate the NFL Bylaws. There is a HUGE difference.

The Patriots got caught doing this against the Pack last season. The thing is, they didn't play the Pack again for 4 years. So why record everything if it weren't going to be used in-game?

That said, the Iggles can't seriously believe they should get rings.

HoustonFrog
09-14-2007, 05:24 PM
I wonder waht Wade Wilson is thinking right now? He gets suspended for 5 games for taking HGH to help him "get up", and "The Hood" gets a fine.

Wade Wilson says punishments inconsistent

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3019472


To me, they're holding the organization accountable instead of the person." On Sept. 1, the NFL suspended Wilson for five games and fined him $100,000 -- nearly a third of his salary as an assistant coach. Wilson, who has suffered from diabetes for 24 years, admitted he purchased medication -- believed to be HGH -- banned by the league's substance abuse policy, although he said he did not know the rule applied to coaches as well as players. Wilson did so while working as an assistant coach for the Chicago Bears and turned over phone records and credit card receipts in a seemingly successful attempt to convince the league he was taking them for his own personal benefit and not distributing them to players

Double Barrel
09-14-2007, 05:27 PM
The Patriots got caught doing this against the Pack last season. The thing is, they didn't play the Pack again for 4 years. So why record everything if it weren't going to be used in-game?

If they got caught, then why didn't the NFL take action then? I know I heard some rumors, but I do not recall any proof behind the accusations.

HoustonFrog
09-14-2007, 05:30 PM
If they got caught, then why didn't the NFL take action then? I know I heard some rumors, but I do not recall any proof behind the accusations.

I don't have it right in front of me but the story was the SAME guy asked the Pack if he could get into the stadium early to do a piece on Lambeau. They acquiesced and he was in. As the the day wore on the saw him on the Pats sidelines with the camera right on the D coordinators. They escorted him out of the stadium.

This article has a different account of it

http://www.boston.com/sports/articles/2007/09/11/patriots_investigated_for_video_violation/

Noblesse Oblige
09-14-2007, 06:48 PM
If they got caught, then why didn't the NFL take action then? I know I heard some rumors, but I do not recall any proof behind the accusations.

Well, here's an article that discusses it--and it says it's the same guy then as it was in the Meadowlands.

NFL security officials confiscated a camera and videotape from Patriots video assistant Matt Estrella on the New England sidelines when Jets security chief Steve Yarnell smelled a rat and suspected Estrella was recording the Jets’ defensive signals.

This isn’t Estrella’s first offense, either. He was apprehended during a game last year in Green Bay -- a game the Patriots won 35-0 -- and removed and escorted from the sideline.

http://www.nypost.com/seven/09122007/sports/jets/belicheat.htm

Note: on page 2

As for why it wasn't pursued then, maybe because it was after the fact, and now the NFL caught them in the act and had proof.