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Yankee_In_TX
09-13-2007, 12:43 PM
WOW.

http://cgi.ebay.com/4-HOUSTON-TEXANS-PSL-OR-PSLS-SEAT-RIGHTS_W0QQitemZ140151135925QQihZ004QQcategoryZ161 22QQrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD1VQQcmdZViewItem

Not only asking $12,500 for 4 PSL's, but charging $19 for shipping!

hollywood_texan
09-13-2007, 12:51 PM
WOW.

http://cgi.ebay.com/4-HOUSTON-TEXANS-PSL-OR-PSLS-SEAT-RIGHTS_W0QQitemZ140151135925QQihZ004QQcategoryZ161 22QQrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD1VQQcmdZViewItem

Not only asking $12,500 for 4 PSL's, but charging $19 for shipping!

I believe this guy probably paid $600 per seat for the PSLs if he is the original PSL owner, which means $2,400 in cost ownership.

That's a lot of markup.

I am going to watch this one.

Hookem Horns
09-13-2007, 02:02 PM
You know things have gotten out of hand when you have to pay just for the right to buy something. This guy is on crack and those seats are pretty lame.

hollywood_texan
09-13-2007, 02:09 PM
You know things have gotten out of hand when you have to pay just for the right to buy something. This guy is on crack and those seats are pretty lame.

They are actually very good seats, I should know.

What is lame is his asking price.

But, maybe he will find a buyer. I have a feeling he is just wasting his money on ebay fees.

Specnatz
09-13-2007, 02:37 PM
http://cgi.ebay.com/2-PITTSBURGH-STEELERS-PSL-OR-PSLS-SEAT-RIGHTS_W0QQitemZ140151452229QQihZ004QQcategoryZ161 22QQcmdZViewItem

He also has these up for sale.

Andrew6
09-13-2007, 02:40 PM
I wonder if he actually finds someone to buy them for that price. . . and if he does hell I've got to become very good friends with them. Too much money and no common sence.

the wonger need food
09-13-2007, 02:41 PM
Don't ya love living in a free market society...

I'm hoping to get $10,000 each for mine some day. Some people buy PSL's as an investment. I can't see anything wrong with that.

JohnsonFan
09-13-2007, 03:13 PM
what are psl's?

StarStruck
09-13-2007, 04:23 PM
Permanent Seat License. The license was offered when the stadium was under construction which in addition to holding a season ticket, the purchaser would be guaranteed the same seat for about 30 years and each name on a nice wall outside of the stadium. It was a one-time fee and PSL holder would only need to purchase season tickets each year for the license to remain in effect.

OrangeLotPole8
09-13-2007, 05:44 PM
Non-PSLS pretty much get the same things except the name on the wall. Once they have tickets they are offered the same seats EVERY YEAR at face value.

Joe Texan
09-13-2007, 06:37 PM
Unless that seats psl sell and then you are moving

texanmojo
09-13-2007, 07:01 PM
Unless that seats psl sell and then you are moving

Not if you are in a non-psl section. Of course...they could always make some non-psl section psl sections...which would suck.

I've had the same seats since year one...and I don't own a PSL. Of course my section is not as close to the action as some of the other PSL sections...but I love it none the less.

the wonger need food
09-13-2007, 07:24 PM
Non-PSLS pretty much get the same things except the name on the wall. Once they have tickets they are offered the same seats EVERY YEAR at face value.


However, you can only get the premium seats with a PSL.

Texan_Lee
09-13-2007, 07:33 PM
What good does it do buying just the PSL's?

Buyer: "Oh yea, I own 4 PSL's for the Texans games..." :specnatz:

Friend: "Really? How many games have you been to? :shades:

Buyer: "Um, none... I only own the PSL's, not the tickets that come with those seats" :secret:

Ex-Friend: "Dumm A$$, later!" :dangit:

Texan_Lee
09-13-2007, 07:35 PM
Hush!!! I know that's not the case, I just had to make a wise-crack post to the ***** that pays that for the 4 PSL's...

Yes, I do know it gives the owner the rights to purchase tickets...

I'm just in a piss-someone-off mood right now...:bat:

Overalls
09-13-2007, 07:41 PM
I started playing around on e-bay and saw 4 tickets to the same row I am on.

Yankee_In_TX
09-13-2007, 08:36 PM
I started playing around on e-bay and saw 4 tickets to the same row I am on.

I bet those are the 3 I sold when I bought my 116 seats. Lying bastard....

Historyhorn
09-14-2007, 10:58 AM
This guy's Texans PSL's are WAY overpriced. A few years of winning would change all of that and make them a bargain, but right now, if anyone bids on that auction, they are a fool.

The Steelers PSL's are somewhat closer to being a good deal. Maybe a little overpriced, but not too bad. The Steelers have a loyal and rabid nationwide fan base. They have been very successful over the last decade. Their stadium is rather smallish for a team with such a following, and it is next to impossible to get any tickets for regular season games from the team. Their waiting list is decades long and people pay massive amounts over face value for Steelers tickets. At just under 20k, it'd probably take about 8-10 years to make your money back if you sold all of the tickets to the regular season games. Maybe 4-6 if they have a couple of deep playoff runs thrown in there.

Eagles, Bears, & Steelers PSLs are some of the priciest in the league on the secondary market.

Go Texans

Yankee_In_TX
09-14-2007, 11:13 AM
You'd be surprised what I paid for 116 H PSL's after a 2-14 year.

Texan_Bill
09-14-2007, 12:16 PM
What good does it do buying just the PSL's?

Buyer: "Oh yea, I own 4 PSL's for the Texans games..." :specnatz:

Friend: "Really? How many games have you been to? :shades:

Buyer: "Um, none... I only own the PSL's, not the tickets that come with those seats" :secret:

Ex-Friend: "Dumm A$$, later!" :dangit:

LMAO... Nice touch with the "Ex-friend"

OrangeLotPole8
09-17-2007, 08:24 PM
However, you can only get the premium seats with a PSL.

Yes i realize that......but for the tickets, if you are a SEASON TICKET HOLDER, you get them offered to you EVERY YEAR with or without a PSL....... you are correct, the PSL is for the PRIME SEATS...... and I ponied up in year 3 for two in the Bullpen.

ubecool454
09-19-2007, 06:28 AM
Non-PSLS pretty much get the same things except the name on the wall. Once they have tickets they are offered the same seats EVERY YEAR at face value.

Those non PSL owners aren't guarenteed the same seats. If the Texans really start having success look for them to make all the seats in reliant psl seats just like the carolina panthers.

texanfan2002114
09-19-2007, 07:45 AM
Those non PSL owners aren't guarenteed the same seats. If the Texans really start having success look for them to make all the seats in reliant psl seats just like the carolina panthers.

This statement is 100% true. I was on the phone just a couple of days ago with a senior official with the Texans in their ticket office and if the Texans have back to back "winning seasons", look for the non psl seats to have something change to them.

Meaning they turn into psl's or become more expensive because the individual didn't have to pay for a psl so they pay more of a premium than before.

OrangeLotPole8
09-20-2007, 08:18 AM
You may be right, however I am sure that the CURRENT holder of the season tickets gets FIRST SHOT as to whether they want to buy the PSL or not. Wow........ won't that cause an uproar with season ticket holders! I am not real sure if Bob wants to piss off that many people.

texanfan2002114
09-20-2007, 09:51 AM
You may be right, however I am sure that the CURRENT holder of the season tickets gets FIRST SHOT as to whether they want to buy the PSL or not. Wow........ won't that cause an uproar with season ticket holders! I am not real sure if Bob wants to piss off that many people.

Those people will have that right but if they don't purchase the PSL's then they lose the seats.

As far as Bob not wanting to piss of that many people, non psl seats make up a small part of the stadium and if Bob is selling out the stadium and is getting people to purchase PSL's, I am sure he won't care about the people who didn't purchase the psl. Also if Bob didn't want to piss of that many people he would have had the team draft VY and we all saw what he did there.

Trust me, Robert McNair is a business man 1st. I know in the 2006 the team was ranked #4 out of all the nfl teams net worth, over a billion dollars.

http://www.forbes.com/lists/2006/30/06nfl_Houston-Texans_302019.html

Yankee_In_TX
09-20-2007, 09:57 AM
Not too many people know that. The small revenue teams feed off us!

OrangeLotPole8
09-20-2007, 10:36 AM
Those people will have that right but if they don't purchase the PSL's then they lose the seats.

So they have the RIGHT to buy the tickets if they buy the PSL....... if they don't they can't buy the tickets..... and if a PSL owner does not buy his tickets, he loses his PSL.

So the point I am saying is that if you have season tickets right now in a non-psl seat....... those seats are YOURS until you choose NOT to have them, MUCH like a PSL.

:texflag:




As far as Bob not wanting to piss of that many people, non psl seats make up a small part of the stadium and if Bob is selling out the stadium and is getting people to purchase PSL's, I am sure he won't care about the people who didn't purchase the psl. Also if Bob didn't want to piss of that many people he would have had the team draft VY and we all saw what he did there.

Trust me, Robert McNair is a business man 1st. I know in the 2006 the team was ranked #4 out of all the nfl teams net worth, over a billion dollars.

http://www.forbes.com/lists/2006/30/06nfl_Houston-Texans_302019.html

texanfan2002114
09-20-2007, 12:09 PM
So they have the RIGHT to buy the tickets if they buy the PSL....... if they don't they can't buy the tickets..... and if a PSL owner does not buy his tickets, he loses his PSL.

So the point I am saying is that if you have season tickets right now in a non-psl seat....... those seats are YOURS until you choose NOT to have them, MUCH like a PSL.

:texflag:


No, like I was saying earlier, is that the Texans are planning to make ALL seats in the stadium PSL's if they have 2 winning seasons, from what I have heard from a senior official in the Texans.

So if you currently own a non psl seat now and the Texans convert those non psl seats to psl seats then the season ticket holder will be given the option to purchase the psl and then the season tickets. If the season ticket holder does not want to purchase the psl, they will lose there season tickets.

OrangeLotPole8
09-20-2007, 12:34 PM
LOL...... I realize that, so non-psl holders have a CHOICE of keeping their seats (paying the PSL), JUST LIKE PSL owners have a choice of keeping their seats each year.

Point is, it doesn't matter if they convert them to PSL seats or not, what matters is that the season ticket holder has a CHOICE of keeping their seats, just like PSL holders do. :gun:

hollywood_texan
09-20-2007, 02:04 PM
LOL...... I realize that, so non-psl holders have a CHOICE of keeping their seats (paying the PSL), JUST LIKE PSL owners have a choice of keeping their seats each year.

Point is, it doesn't matter if they convert them to PSL seats or not, what matters is that the season ticket holder has a CHOICE of keeping their seats, just like PSL holders do. :gun:

One key difference is that people that already have PSLs, probably will have paid a much lower price than non-PSL ticketholders that convert at a later date at the Texans organization's choosing.

I feel pretty confident the Texans will not keep the same pricing structure for PSLs to sell out the rest of Reliant. You are going to be paying a premium over what original PSL owners paid.

My point is, get your checkbook out when it happens.

Your just running around in circles on this topic. You probably would have been better off getting PSLs in the beginning than waiting to the later date required by the Texans when they turn Reliant into a 100% PSL stadium. Which, I think is the point some people are trying to make to you. You seem to be arguing you are in an equal position with PSL owners in relation to you being a non-PSL owner. YOU ARE NOT!

By the way, I believe the Texans organization doesn't have to offer you a PSL price for your seats at some conversion date. They probably will, but I don't think there is any legal contract requiring them to make you an offer (please show me something). I can show my PSL agreement and what I get. So you could be left out of the cold for any reason of their choosing or required to move somewhere else.

Whereas, as an original PSL owner, I am guaranteed my seats at Reliant with the Texans as long as I pay for my tickets.

My suggestion, if you want to remain a season ticketholder, buy some PSLs now that someones wants to unload. Pricing is probably still pretty good and you won't have to play musical chairs with the risk of not having a chair when the music stops.

Trust me, someone is going to get left out on this.

Also, I believe there is a PSL waiting list. If you are not on that list, you probably could get screwed there too even if you have season tickets now.

texanfan2002114
09-20-2007, 04:15 PM
One key difference is that people that already have PSLs, probably will have paid a much lower price than non-PSL ticketholders that convert at a later date at the Texans organization's choosing.

I feel pretty confident the Texans will not keep the same pricing structure for PSLs to sell out the rest of Reliant. You are going to be paying a premium over what original PSL owners paid.

My point is, get your checkbook out when it happens.

Your just running around in circles on this topic. You probably would have been better off getting PSLs in the beginning than waiting to the later date required by the Texans when they turn Reliant into a 100% PSL stadium. Which, I think is the point some people are trying to make to you. You seem to be arguing you are in an equal position with PSL owners in relation to you being a non-PSL owner. YOU ARE NOT!

By the way, I believe the Texans organization doesn't have to offer you a PSL price for your seats at some conversion date. They probably will, but I don't think there is any legal contract requiring them to make you an offer (please show me something). I can show my PSL agreement and what I get. So you could be left out of the cold for any reason of their choosing or required to move somewhere else.

Whereas, as an original PSL owner, I am guaranteed my seats at Reliant with the Texans as long as I pay for my tickets.

My suggestion, if you want to remain a season ticketholder, buy some PSLs now that someones wants to unload. Pricing is probably still pretty good and you won't have to play musical chairs with the risk of not having a chair when the music stops.

Trust me, someone is going to get left out on this.

Also, I believe there is a PSL waiting list. If you are not on that list, you probably could get screwed there too even if you have season tickets now.

Thank you!! I was tired of repeating myself and you explained much better!!

texanmojo
09-20-2007, 09:10 PM
You probably would have been better off getting PSLs in the beginning than waiting to the later date required by the Texans when they turn Reliant into a 100% PSL stadium.

How many stadiums in the NFL are 100% PSL based? Anyone know? how many of them are teams like the Colts or Pats? I don't know that these teams are 100% PSL based...but I would be very suprised if they were.

The bottom line is that no one truly knows if the Texans would do something like this. It is all pure speculation...regardless of the sources mentioned on this thread. If they do, then fine, I buy the PSL...but until then, I don't have to...and this might NEVER happen.

I have had the same seats since the beginning, and as long as I pay my renewal each year, I get the same seats.

Honestly...we are being a little premature on worrying about this.

OrangeLotPole8
09-21-2007, 07:35 AM
Hollywood, if you read all of the post, I HAVE PSL'S in the Bullpen.

OrangeLotPole8
09-21-2007, 07:40 AM
How many stadiums in the NFL are 100% PSL based? Anyone know? how many of them are teams like the Colts or Pats? I don't know that these teams are 100% PSL based...but I would be very suprised if they were.

The bottom line is that no one truly knows if the Texans would do something like this. It is all pure speculation...regardless of the sources mentioned on this thread. If they do, then fine, I buy the PSL...but until then, I don't have to...and this might NEVER happen.

I have had the same seats since the beginning, and as long as I pay my renewal each year, I get the same seats.

Honestly...we are being a little premature on worrying about this.


Thank you! Thats my point, I know people that are in year 6 of their same seats, IF they go to PSL's, I am sure they will have the choice of keeping the seats. They have somebody that pays for them EVERY YEAR, therefore they will STILL offer them to the person that has been paying for years FIRST.

:deadhorse

hollywood_texan
09-21-2007, 12:50 PM
Hollywood, if you read all of the post, I HAVE PSL'S in the Bullpen.

Yeah, I did notice that, I just assumed you were arguing to argue. Now you are going around in circles on another topic.

Just doing it in return. Is that okay with you?



Honestly...we are being a little premature on worrying about this.



I am not worried about anything. I have my tickets locked up.



My point is, NON-PSL owners are not in the same position as PSL owners. I am getting the impression from you guys that you think being a NON-PSL is equal to a PSL owner.

If you have NON-PSL tickets, you could get bent over at anytime by the Texans organization. There is nothing to require the Texans organization to offer you those tickets or a PSL in the future (if they do offer something, I am sure it will be very expensive because the demand will be so high and supply will be very short), if so, please let me know what it is.

texanmojo
09-21-2007, 04:09 PM
My point is, NON-PSL owners are not in the same position as PSL owners. I am getting the impression from you guys that you think being a NON-PSL is equal to a PSL owner.

Agreed. You have you tickets locked up. Nor do I think being a non-psl owner is the same as a psl owner.

No one has managed to tell me if there is a stadium in the NFL that is 100% owned by PSL people. I don't think (nor do I have proof) that there is one....

hollywood_texan
09-21-2007, 04:22 PM
No one has managed to tell me if there is a stadium in the NFL that is 100% owned by PSL people. I don't think (nor do I have proof) that there is one....

I don't know if there are any stadiums that are 100% PSL. But, I suspect the Pats, Steelers, and Redskins are close.

The Cowboys are building an amazing stadium, that is going to be insane.

Houston is a football town, and when the fever hits and it becomes a seller's market, who knows what will happen.

Running a football team isn't cheap and it's a business.

We'll see what happens and good luck!

ubecool454
10-08-2007, 11:43 AM
WOW.

http://cgi.ebay.com/4-HOUSTON-TEXANS-PSL-OR-PSLS-SEAT-RIGHTS_W0QQitemZ140151135925QQihZ004QQcategoryZ161 22QQrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD1VQQcmdZViewItem

Not only asking $12,500 for 4 PSL's, but charging $19 for shipping!

U haven't seen anything yet. Just wait until the Texans start making the playoffs regularly and possibly go to the superbowl. I've seen my brothers panthers psl that cost him $2500 in 1994 now worth over $10,000 now..and thats one seat. ...stay tuned. I'm just glad I got mines.

ubecool454
10-08-2007, 11:46 AM
Don't ya love living in a free market society...

I'm hoping to get $10,000 each for mine some day. Some people buy PSL's as an investment. I can't see anything wrong with that.

u are a smart man...and you will get 10,000 for your psl one day soon. It just depends on how well the team does. I personally don't think the Texans ticket prices are out of hand. Go to the panthers website sometimes and check their prices for the game tickets.

ubecool454
10-08-2007, 11:47 AM
I don't know if there are any stadiums that are 100% PSL. But, I suspect the Pats, Steelers, and Redskins are close.

The Cowboys are building an amazing stadium, that is going to be insane.

Houston is a football town, and when the fever hits and it becomes a seller's market, who knows what will happen.

Running a football team isn't cheap and it's a business.

We'll see what happens and good luck!

Hollywood the panthers are 100 percent psl. Even the upppers are psl seats.

ubecool454
10-08-2007, 11:52 AM
Non-PSLS pretty much get the same things except the name on the wall. Once they have tickets they are offered the same seats EVERY YEAR at face value.

non psl are not guarenteed.

ubecool454
10-08-2007, 11:57 AM
Not if you are in a non-psl section. Of course...they could always make some non-psl section psl sections...which would suck.

I've had the same seats since year one...and I don't own a PSL. Of course my section is not as close to the action as some of the other PSL sections...but I love it none the less.

when they make those seat psl seats< i'm sure they will give the current owner first right to purchase the psl.

ubecool454
10-08-2007, 12:03 PM
No, like I was saying earlier, is that the Texans are planning to make ALL seats in the stadium PSL's if they have 2 winning seasons, from what I have heard from a senior official in the Texans.

So if you currently own a non psl seat now and the Texans convert those non psl seats to psl seats then the season ticket holder will be given the option to purchase the psl and then the season tickets. If the season ticket holder does not want to purchase the psl, they will lose there season tickets.

i saw that coming all along....but this is a business. U can still get psl for reasonable prices but if they go to the playoffs this year...lookout.