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Mr. White
09-13-2007, 08:24 AM
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/5130886.html

The Carolina Panthers might as well have the Texans' entire playbook, because David Carr, Carolina's new backup quarterback, knows every nuance of his old team's offense. It was ingrained into his head last season.

And even though Carr likely won't help the Panthers on the field Sunday, the Texans are sure he is doing all he can off the field to try to give his new teammates an edge.

"He's on the Carolina Panthers," Texans center Steve McKinney said. "I don't think we're paying him anymore. I'm guessing he would be doing everything he can to help them win."

But it's not exactly worrying any of the Texans.

"You can know what you want to know, but you have to stop it on the field on Sunday," Texans wide receiver Andre Johnson said. "I used to have a coach in high school who told me, 'I don't care if they know what we're doing. If they can't stop it, then they just can't stop it.' They have to go out and stop us on Sunday. He can tell them whatever he wants."

It's common around the league for new players on a team to share information about their former teams. How much of an edge it gives them is debatable.


Hopefully he wasn't paying attention to what Kubes taught him.

Maybe he'll tell them the game plan is a series of 3 yard completions, dumpoffs, and QB sneaks.

santo
09-13-2007, 08:26 AM
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/5130886.html



Hopefully he wasn't paying attention to what Kubes taught him.


Don't worry, he wasn't....:shades:

Mike Kerns
09-13-2007, 08:28 AM
Dont see what he could tell them that would be key in defeating us. Hope he finds a way into the game. That'd be a lot of fun.

Mr teX
09-13-2007, 08:36 AM
uhh, No.......

& john fox would be absolutely nuts to listen to him, when everything they need to know about the 07' texans is on film from the KC game & from the denver game.

It's just going to boil down to execution & play-making; things that DC had trouble with while he was here.

PapaL
09-13-2007, 08:38 AM
I guess this would imply he thourghly understood the playbook, which if he did he would still be here. He's probably telling them to watch for the dump off pass to DD and Bradford going deep.

hobie
09-13-2007, 08:45 AM
I am not going to slam David on this...but I would say that his insight would be worth nothing, as the Texans have a new QB and I am sure Kubiak and Co. changed alot of what was in the playbooks the previous years. Yeah, some things David might recall, but if the team is still running plays and setting up certain ways after a few years, then I would expect them to lose, as David isn't the only player let go to catch on with another team...

It's not Carr that they need to worry about, it's about executing the plays that are called from the sidelines....

bigbrewster2000
09-13-2007, 08:47 AM
Probably not. This stuff happens every single year. The Panthers will still have to execute even if they know what might happen on a particular play. It's not like they don't already look at game film. This is simply an article that was written to put David Carr's name in our paper. Totally over rated.

Buffi2
09-13-2007, 08:53 AM
For the most part, the plays that Carr used and the plays that Schaub uses are, perhaps somewhat the same in theory, but certainly not the same in practice. I don't think Carr has a clue. This was just a filler piece to get folks all riled up over nothing. A little journalistic sensationalism for lack of anything better to write about.

We have a few things to worry about this Sunday, but Carr certainly isn't one of them.

eriadoc
09-13-2007, 09:00 AM
What insight?

Seriously. Carr had a lot of qualities going for him, but in the end, it was the between-the-ears part that got him run out of town. /Mora Insight? We're talking about insight? /Mora off

Thorn
09-13-2007, 09:11 AM
His insight into how not to run an offense, if passed along to the Panthers, could be quite helpful for us on Sunday.

Lucky
09-13-2007, 09:12 AM
Let's not forget that Schaub has studied the Carolina defense twice a ear for the previous 3 seasons. That can't hurt. And Boulware was part of shutting down Steve Smith in the NFC championship game a couple of years back. Really, all of that stuff evens out. What's important is stealing the other teams signals.

HuttoKarl
09-13-2007, 09:13 AM
I can see it now:

Carr: Coach...in this situation, Coach likes to call "fetal curl" or "Panic and get sacked".

HuttoKarl
09-13-2007, 09:17 AM
Carr: Coach...I think their about to line up in the "lock on Andre and throw a pick into triple coverage" formation!!!!

Bubbajwp
09-13-2007, 09:19 AM
Carr: Coach...I think their about to line up in the "lock on Andre and throw a pick into triple coverage" formation!!!!

Watch out though it could be a trick play were they dump it off to DD.

Exithios
09-13-2007, 09:20 AM
Dang I forgot about Carr giving up our game plan. Now all our hopes for a run by the QB out of bounds for a 2 yard loss have been dashed. I just hope Carr didn't tell them about plan B... QB play-dead on 2. :francis:

Let's not forget that Schaub has studied the Carolina defense twice a ear for the previous 3 seasons. That can't hurt. And Boulware was a part of shutting down Steve Smith in the NFC championship game a couple of years back. Really, all of that stuff evens out. What's important is stealing the other teams signals.

I think we have a program in the works to prevent the signal stealing... Schaub and Demeco are learning to speak Navajo before Sunday's game. :spy:

real
09-13-2007, 09:26 AM
Was always told it doesn't matter if they know what's coming...If you execute correctly they won't stop you...

Carr may end up hurting his own teammates trying to give them advice and tips...

Second Honeymoon
09-13-2007, 09:27 AM
Carr's insight? Carr is a mental midget mimbo. He doesnt have any insight about the Texans that can be qualified as a competitive advantage.

Did you hear him interviewed about his time in Houston. That little primadonna was like 'You know we had a lot of fun there for 5 years but I had had enough. With the draft situation and everything I just dont know. Let someone else do it.' How pathetic he is and he basically blames his failure on the Texans drafting Mario and not VY. Like that was too much for him to handle and insinuates that it was a bad move (which is debatable but still he threw Mario and Kubes/McNair under the bus with that quote). A quitter and its obvious he still thinks its everyone elses fault but his. No accountability, no self reflection, just basically saying 'the Texans suck. I was there for 5 years and you couldnt pay me to stick around and try and turn that sinking ship around'

Well with Schaub we have a guy who is willing to rise to the occasion and isnt afraid of commitment to football, competition, and challenges. Carr only cares about his wife and kids. He doesnt care about football, he doesnt care about the fans, and he doesnt care about his career. He is happy collecting money as the backup and that tells me all I need to know about that pile of crap.

If anyone has a link to Carr's actual quotes, I would appreciate it as I was paraphrasing from memory from 11pm last night. They need to be posted on the chalkboard in the lockerroom with a special copy taped to Mario's locker.

DocBar
09-13-2007, 09:30 AM
From what I've read, the only insight Carr could give is on the quickest route out of Reliant Stadium after practice. Everyone in the league already knows the rest. If not, maybe the Patriots will send them a DVD of our signals.

Double Barrel
09-13-2007, 09:37 AM
Memo to Carr: The 2007 Texans playbook has more than two pages now.

Maybe he can teach Jake that patented fetal curl position that protects the face during a pass rush. He's an expert on that one.

Exithios
09-13-2007, 09:52 AM
Another blah blah... not about blah, just personal blah blah. But if that is blah blah blah, Keep-up up the blah about blah.

Take Carr's jock out of your mouth so we can under what your saying.

Kaiser Toro
09-13-2007, 09:54 AM
Another post... not about football, just personal attacks. But if that is all you got, Keep-up up the crying about Carr.

You could easily change that, but chose not to. The only crying in Texans land is filled with tears of joy due to the departure of Carr.

Some day you will be a Texan fan that not only posts in Carr related threads. Maybe.

bigbrewster2000
09-13-2007, 10:02 AM
Another post... not about football, just personal attacks. But if that is all you got, Keep-up up the crying about Carr.

We are not the ones that wrote the article. We are not the ones that could not run an offense. We are not the ones who could not read a Defense. We are definantly not the ones that either "Tuck and Ducked" or ran out of bounds for a loss and a sack either.

David Carr was not a good QB. He was not even average for us over that 5 year period.
His insight will not be a real advantage because he could not even get by with the dumbed down playbook he had to work with.

The only one crying here is you.

For the rest of us here that are actually Texan fans:fans:

Double Barrel
09-13-2007, 10:10 AM
Another post... not about football, just personal attacks. But if that is all you got, Keep-up up the crying about Carr.

Somehow we knew the forecast would be 100% chance of a caddy appearance if Carr's name was brought up.

So, are you finding out the hard way about our new QB Schaub? Or did he not cover the spread so you have no use for him?

DC should keep his trap shut if he doesn't want fans to respond. More Carr jerseys were sold than any other in this city, yet all he can do is whine about not having fun and wanting to get out of town as quick as possible because the going was getting tough.

I'm sure you'll have some attempted retort to this, and once again, will be thoroughly rebuked by Texans fans seeing through your thin disguise.

Second Honeymoon
09-13-2007, 10:10 AM
Another post... not about football, just personal attacks. But if that is all you got, Keep-up up the crying about Carr.

well Caddy, my original post got deleted so I will tone it down but I gotta say that I meant every word of it. there was plenty of football talk in this thread but you had to bring your agenda in here.

you are a pathetic excuse for a Texans fan. your signature basically states that you want the Texans to fail so you can say 'i told you so'. pretty damn pathetic.

you should go away and I can honestly say that you are the worst Texans fan in the whole wide world. please go directly to Carolina message board and stop trying to poison our message board with your garbage. may you be blessed with neg rep. I don't care how old you are. Maybe your just senile but I am betting your just a teen playing hookie.

I can honestly say that I can't stand you and hope you go away forever.

TheDrifter
09-13-2007, 10:16 AM
From what I've read, the only insight Carr could give is on the quickest route out of Reliant Stadium after practice. Everyone in the league already knows the rest. If not, maybe the Patriots will send them a DVD of our signals.


lol:

Really though, it was shocking and confusing to see Carr on the front of todays sports section.

Chilling even.

Mr teX
09-13-2007, 10:18 AM
Yikes, going off of this post 2nd HM, i can't imagine what your 1st post contained.

keyser
09-13-2007, 10:19 AM
I wouldn't discount Carr's knowledge of the playbook. There's a big difference between understanding the playbook and being able to implement it. I think Carr's mental breakdowns were during the game - he just didn't make good decisions under the game pressure. I mean, if you had asked him whether he should run out of bounds for a loss or toss the ball away, I'm sure he'd give the right answer. But, when it came to game time, out of bounds he'd go. Gary Kubiak understands the playbook probably better than anyone, but it doesn't mean he'd do a good job as our QB.

That said, I don't think there's that much that Carolina will really be able to get from Carr anyway. I'm sure the plays emphasized are different for Schaub. I mean, I don't know if Carr even studied shotgun plays. Carr wasn't in this year's TC, there's a different RB and a new WR this year, etc. Too much has happened that Carr's not aware of for his "inside" information on the playbook to really have much value. Now, if we were talking about Charlie Frye giving Seattle information to use against Cleveland, that would be different.

Carr might be able to give some points about specific player weaknesses, though. Things like which stunts work well against specific OL, whether there are routes that some receivers don't run well, etc. But, there's also the danger that some of this has changed, also, so Carolina would be foolish to put too much weight on any of it.

Kaiser Toro
09-13-2007, 10:22 AM
I wouldn't discount Carr's knowledge of the playbook. There's a big difference between understanding the playbook and being able to implement it. I think Carr's mental breakdowns were during the game - he just didn't make good decisions under the game pressure. I mean, if you had asked him whether he should run out of bounds for a loss or toss the ball away, I'm sure he'd give the right answer. But, when it came to game time, out of bounds he'd go. Gary Kubiak understands the playbook probably better than anyone, but it doesn't mean he'd do a good job as our QB.

That said, I don't think there's that much that Carolina will really be able to get from Carr anyway. I'm sure the plays emphasized are different for Schaub. I mean, I don't know if Carr even studied shotgun plays. Carr wasn't in this year's TC, there's a different RB and a new WR this year, etc. Too much has happened that Carr's not aware of for his "inside" information on the playbook to really have much value. Now, if we were talking about Charlie Frye giving Seattle information to use against Cleveland, that would be different.

Carr might be able to give some points about specific player weaknesses, though. Things like which stunts work well against specific OL, whether there are routes that some receivers don't run well, etc. But, there's also the danger that some of this has changed, also, so Carolina would be foolish to put too much weight on any of it.

In theory yes I would agree, but we are talking about a guy who was not a locker room guy. Work was finished and he was out. I truly believe that he has no football intelligence or feel and can bring nothing to the table that will help his new team against his former team.

real
09-13-2007, 10:27 AM
Carr might be able to give some points about specific player weaknesses, though. Things like which stunts work well against specific OL, whether there are routes that some receivers don't run well, etc.

I doubt it.

I believe that if his thinking patterns were that complex he'd have been a better QB.

Second Honeymoon
09-13-2007, 10:29 AM
Yikes, going off of this post 2nd HM, i can't imagine what your 1st post contained.

not sure, probably the word 'hate' used in a particular context. dunno.

Kaiser Toro
09-13-2007, 10:32 AM
not sure, probably the word 'hate' used in a particular context. dunno.

Yes, accompanied with some other very pointed and personal sticks and bones.

HuttoKarl
09-13-2007, 10:35 AM
Carr: "Coach...I think this is the play where the QB is supposed to fumble while getting sacked...be careful here...when the QB gets up, he'll check to see how his hair is doing."

Second Honeymoon
09-13-2007, 10:46 AM
Carr: "Coach...I think this is the play where the QB is supposed to fumble while getting sacked...be careful here...when the QB gets up, he'll check to see how his hair is doing."

'alls well coach, my hair is still totally bangin'

Wolfiegrrl
09-13-2007, 10:48 AM
There are a few things that I think need to be said on this situation.

1. The newpaper article was for sensationalism. What better way to get our team fired up than to talk about David Carr and his attitude toward his former team.

2. The parting with Carr in the offseason was not amicable. How many of you left a job and didn't carry a grudge?

3. Not to defend Carr, but the guy was set up to fail from day one. Why would Casserly and Capers think it was ok to start a rookie QB for an expansion team? Remember AJ said that Carr was instructed for 5 years not to read defenses. He was just supposed to throw the ball as directed by the OC.

4. Why the hell did David take millions? Because stuntmen should be paid a lot more than they are. I found it interesting that Carr never suffered a major injury the entire time he was here for all the sacks that he took. For this alone I'm sure Carr thought his pain was worth the money.

5. Why did McNair give him millions to stick around? Well, because Kubiak thought Carr could be fixed. Have you ever taken on a project that you have to admit you can't complete? I know I have... it happens to the best of us.

6. Can Carr actually give the Panthers insight to our playbook? I would say no. Kubiak wasn't able to use a vast majority of his playbook with Carr. Remember, after the 1st Titans game, Kubiak had to dumb it down for Carr. Carr went the last 10 games in 2006 with 2 TDs (one in garbage time as Vinny always says). David couldn't even make it halfway through the season before Kubiak realized this was a failed venture.

7. But the playbook... When we first picked up Schaub, Kubiak said something to the fact that Matt would be quick to pick up this offense. There are plays in that book that Carr never even looked at. My heavens, just look at the clip of Andre's 77 yard TD catch. Carr would never have pulled that off.

8. Speaking of Schaub. How many articles talked about his poise in the pocket? How many players commented on Schaub's reaction after the interception in the end zone? Here's the one from Salaam: "“First off, I want to say not only that, but the difference everybody made. It was a completely different mentality. Last year when I got here, when we had early mistakes in the game, the roof caved in. Everybody started looking around, like ‘here we go again.’ I didn’t see any of that today. I’m proud to be a part of a team that can change directions and turn the corner so fast. It’s only been a year. It’s been a year, and Matt Schaub has come in here as a leader. He controlled the huddle, better than it’s been here in the past and my hat goes off to him. He stayed in there. He had some early shots; he took them, he got back up, never wavered, and that’s what you look for in a leader on offense.” link here... (http://www.houstontexans.com/news/Story.asp?story_id=3602)

9. The Panther's have not played this team in a while. A lot has changed. Hell a lot has changed since Carr was here last year. I think we have 6 guys left that started with the team in 2002. The Panther's should be nervous as hell. They have film from last year (which isn't going to give them much information). And the film from 4 basically vanilla preseason games as well as the film from last week. Last weeks game focused on stopping the run and exploiting a weakend defense.

10. Kubiak will have made a lot of adjustments to the Panther's game plan. Give Kubes some credit, he's not about to put anything on the field that is going to help the Panthers in any way. In Kubiak I trust!!!

:texflag:

real
09-13-2007, 10:53 AM
1. The newpaper article was for sensationalism. What better way to get our team fired up than to talk about David Carr and his attitude toward his former team.

How can you sensationalize someone's direct quotes ?

Carr didn't have to say that...He could have taken a different route...


And the chronicle isn't the only paper to have this story...

It's also in the Charlotte Observer (http://www.charlotte.com/panthers/story/275999.html).

Leahmic223
09-13-2007, 11:09 AM
That's great, Now Carr can tell Fox all 10 plays we used last year with him as our QB.

I'm not even worried about the knowledge he has. I think even if Kubiak thought he knew something important.

I hope Carr tells him "Every pass Schaub throws will be under 10 yards." that way everyone will play up when Andre and Jacoby burn them deep for our first 7.

Second Honeymoon
09-13-2007, 11:14 AM
from reading the Charlotte article I get the feeling that Carr is 'aww shucks, I just want to have fun.'. Its all about fun for Carr. Screw working hard and competing. Just have fun. Fun. Fun. Fun.Fun.

Well Fun You Carr

what a pathetic loser he is....

Wolfiegrrl
09-13-2007, 11:34 AM
How can you sensationalize someone's direct quotes ?

Carr didn't have to say that...He could have taken a different route...


And the chronicle isn't the only paper to have this story...

It's also in the Charlotte Observer (http://www.charlotte.com/panthers/story/275999.html).

Journalism is all about grabbing your audience. I'm sure the Charlotte Observer is the one that originally wrote the story and Chronic picked it up because Carr used to be here.

from Merriam Webster... sensationalism



Main Entry: sen·sa·tion·al·ism
Pronunciation: \-shnə-ˌli-zəm, -shə-nə-ˌli-zəm\
Function: noun
Date: 1846
1 : empiricism that limits experience as a source of knowledge to sensation or sense perceptions
2 : the use or effect of sensational subject matter or treatment
— sen·sa·tion·al·ist \-list\ adjective or noun
— sen·sa·tion·al·is·tic \-ˌsā-shnə-ˈlis-tik, -shə-nə-ˈlis-tik\ adjective

HuttoKarl
09-13-2007, 11:34 AM
I wonder if Carolina coaches start cringing when they see Carr's awesome pocket presence while watching old game tape to prep for this weekend.

hollywood_texan
09-13-2007, 11:40 AM
Who cares what plays Carr knows about, if any at all?

It's when you run those plays that is critical and the schemes to exploit the defense. We are not playing the Patriots on Sunday, so I don't think we have to worry about that.

Besides, Carr isn't that smart anyway and doesn't want to apply himself to be on a winning team unless he is the backup QB.

Vinny
09-13-2007, 11:41 AM
all I have to say about Carr and his quotes is that he isn't the sharpest tool in the shed. Why even bring up the Texans when your team plays them the very next week? It just provides further proof how truly clueless he is.

real
09-13-2007, 11:42 AM
Journalism is all about grabbing your audience. I'm sure the Charlotte Observer is the one that originally wrote the story and Chronic picked it up because Carr used to be here.

This is what you said:


1. The newpaper article was for sensationalism. What better way to get our team fired up than to talk about David Carr and his attitude toward his former team.



What was the Charlotte observers' purpose for running the story ? If the purpose of journalism is to grab your audiences attention then shouldn't every article be sensationalized ?

Maybe the Chronicle ran the story because it was relevant ? :um:

I just think you're guessing. Besides I can't see what stock the Chronic would have in "firing up our team"...I think that story was more for the readers...

HJam72
09-13-2007, 11:43 AM
Probably not. This stuff happens every single year. The Panthers will still have to execute even if they know what might happen on a particular play. It's not like they don't already look at game film. This is simply an article that was written to put David Carr's name in our paper. Totally over rated.

Ha, ha! Now it's the Panthers that have to execute! :fans:

Hervoyel
09-13-2007, 11:51 AM
One thing you hear every single team in the NFL talk about wanting to be able to do is to impose it's will on their opponent, to run the ball when every single person in the stadium knows that's what you're going to do. Think about the amount of preparation that goes into any NFL game on both sides of the ball. Does anyone here really believe that very many things happen on an NFL football field that are completely out of the blue? Defenses know what offenses are going to do. They know what they're trying to accomplish and they study enough film on them to know them inside out before the coin is flipped. We're so tired of hearing the word but Dom Capers was correct in focusing on execution. Both offenses and defenses will be far more prepared than we probably can imagine for this game and the one that can execute it's game plan despite that preparation will win.

David Carr can't give them anything I'd worry too much about.

Dan B.
09-13-2007, 12:01 PM
Second Honeymoon:

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/5130791.html

""I had fun down there for five years, (but) let someone else do it," Carr told the Carolina media. "That's exactly how I feel. It was a situation that just got so big. With the draft and everything that happened in the last 15 months, I was happy to get out of there.

"It was something that I enjoyed the first couple years. When we didn't get it done, that last year got pretty tough. I was happy to let it go.""

Whatta Douche

Goldensilence
09-13-2007, 12:06 PM
Journalism is all about grabbing your audience. I'm sure the Charlotte Observer is the one that originally wrote the story and Chronic picked it up because Carr used to be here.

from Merriam Webster... sensationalism



Main Entry: sen·sa·tion·al·ism
Pronunciation: \-shnə-ˌli-zəm, -shə-nə-ˌli-zəm\
Function: noun
Date: 1846
1 : empiricism that limits experience as a source of knowledge to sensation or sense perceptions
2 : the use or effect of sensational subject matter or treatment
— sen·sa·tion·al·ist \-list\ adjective or noun
— sen·sa·tion·al·is·tic \-ˌsā-shnə-ˈlis-tik, -shə-nə-ˈlis-tik\ adjective

Sorry Wolfie. I know what you're getting to and trust me....once some of the sharks here get a smell of blood there's nothing you can do. :pirate:

That said....I'm not worried about anything Carr could impart to the Panthers. What worries me more is the thought Faggins one on one with Steve Smith.

Second Honeymoon
09-13-2007, 12:10 PM
I wonder if Carolina coaches start cringing when they see Carr's awesome pocket presence while watching old game tape to prep for this weekend.


I didn't think of that. I am sure Carr will be getting ribbed a little from some teammates. I am sure they will be llooking pretty much exclusively at Schaub from preseason and Game 1 though.

Second Honeymoon
09-13-2007, 12:11 PM
all I have to say about Carr and his quotes is that he isn't the sharpest tool in the shed. Why even bring up the Texans when your team plays them the very next week? It just provides further proof how truly clueless he is.

classless too.

DocBar
09-13-2007, 12:15 PM
That said....I'm not worried about anything Carr could impart to the Panthers. What worries me more is the thought Faggins one on one with Steve Smith. That worries the heck out of me. I can't decide if we'd be better off rotating DROB to Smith or playing our usual D and keeping our corners on one side of the field. If we rotate DROB, I think we're opening ourselves up for giving some big plays because the Panther O will put Smith in motion and catch us in some bad coverages. If we keep our CBs at home, like we usually do, We're setting Smith up to have a big day cuz he'll probably play Faggins side the whole game and we have our well known safety issues. It's going to be interesting to see what the coaches come up with.

TheIronDuke
09-13-2007, 12:18 PM
Let's not forget our plays designed around batted balls at the D-line and fumbled snaps. Those are the kinds of plays we have to keep the defense on their toes.

Double Barrel
09-13-2007, 12:18 PM
3. Not to defend Carr, but the guy was set up to fail from day one. Why would Casserly and Capers think it was ok to start a rookie QB for an expansion team? Remember AJ said that Carr was instructed for 5 years not to read defenses. He was just supposed to throw the ball as directed by the OC.

Carr's college scouting report said that he "can be inconsistent throwing the ball. Will force some and make some bad reads."

Coaches can only work with what they've got. You can't make Trent Dilfer into Joe Montana no matter how much you try.

Besides, Carr did have a 3500+ yard season with 16 TDs, so it can't be coaching failure when he had signs of improvement. But the fact of the matter is that 2004 was as good as Carr could get and he hit a ceiling that year. Blaming coaches and the line for all his failures and shortcomings just seems like passing the buck. There is shared responsibility, without a doubt, but I refuse to solely blame the line for David Carr not being a good QB.

5. Why did McNair give him millions to stick around? Well, because Kubiak thought Carr could be fixed. Have you ever taken on a project that you have to admit you can't complete? I know I have... it happens to the best of us.

This is subjective opinion on all of our parts, because NONE of us knows what really went down behind the closed doors of the FO.

BUT, based on public statements, we know Mr. McNair was asking every HC candidate if they thought that they could work with Carr. Our owner clearly had a soft spot for the QB and whoever was hired was going to be saddled with a decision that was already made.

Did Kubiak really think he could be "fixed" when he's dumbing down the playbook and benching him during a game?

Wolfiegrrl
09-13-2007, 12:30 PM
You're right... there is a lot of information that we don't know about the back story on this. This entire thread and message board is based on subjective opinion. Again, I'm not a Carr lover. I'm a Texans Lover. I just wanted folks to spend sometime thinking about different angles on this one.

As to why the Charlotte Observer would write a story on Carr and his experiences with the Texans, think about it this way....

We just beat the crap out of the team with a top 5 running back. How many fans in Carolina are feeling that first twinge of worry? More than a few.

:d: :texflag:

real
09-13-2007, 12:35 PM
They ran the story because that's what Carr said.

They asked him about the game, and this could have been a complete non issue, but he chose to make the comments he made...

Had Carr just said something else...something more PC, people would have read it, maybe made some comments and it wouldn't have been an issue...

They didn't go out and do a piece on Carr's stay in Houston...They asked him about his former team because we are playing this weekend...

What he said, was on him. I don't see how they sensationalized his direct quotes ?

OzzO
09-13-2007, 12:40 PM
I don't see it much as insight, but more as a "must help the team well".




... catch that?

Jackofalltrades
09-13-2007, 12:41 PM
Carr's insight is more valuable when talking about individuals and their respective strengths and weaknesses. Who to exploit, which part of the line is weaker and all that stuff. I don't care what Carr can offer in terms of scheme and things like that, it could easily be used against us.

Leahmic223
09-13-2007, 12:48 PM
Carr's insight is more valuable when talking about individuals and their respective strengths and weaknesses. Who to exploit, which part of the line is weaker and all that stuff. I don't care what Carr can offer in terms of scheme and things like that, it could easily be used against us.

All that can be seen on tape, plus I don't think Carr really paid attention to other guys strengths and weaknesses because I don't think he paid attention to much of anything while he was here.

Whatever he has is nothing that will hurt us or nothing your coach can find out himself.

michaelm
09-13-2007, 12:55 PM
Gary Kubiak

(on facing Carolina, knowing that QB David Carr has told the team about the Texans’ system) “He knows us. He knows how we call things, some of our terminology at the line of scrimmage. But I’m one of those guys, I don’t get caught up in that too much. I’m worried about what we’re doing. Let’s worry about our football. Let’s fix some things we made mistakes on this past week. Because if we don’t do that, it won’t matter whether they know we’re running or passing if we’re not doing it well. Hopefully, we’ll go down there and play solid football.”

(on if he’s changing calls because of Carr) “No. I’ve been around where people say, let’s make this call or let’s do this and do the opposite. You get so damn consumed with that that you forget to just go play. We’re going to go play. We’re going to worry about our stuff and try to go play well.”

(on Carolina’s head coach John Fox having a similar mentality) “I think he’s saying exactly what I’m saying. You get too consumed with that type of stuff, and it gets you out of what you should be doing. You’ve got to worry about yourself. ”


http://www.houstontexans.com/news/Story.asp?story_id=3617

real
09-13-2007, 12:57 PM
Carr's insight is more valuable when talking about individuals and their respective strengths and weaknesses. Who to exploit, which part of the line is weaker and all that stuff.

Carr is too good a person to talk about people's weaknesses on an individual level.


I don't care what Carr can offer in terms of scheme and things like that, it could easily be used against us.

You're right about that...

Jackofalltrades
09-13-2007, 12:59 PM
So if Carr thinks, just an example, that Robinson loses ground on an inside release to receivers that he wouldn't tell our offensive staff?

I find that hard to believe.

real
09-13-2007, 01:01 PM
So if Carr thinks, just an example, that Robinson loses ground on an inside release to receivers that he wouldn't tell our offensive staff?

I find that hard to believe.

I think if you believe that David has the mental capacity to pick up on things like that you're delusional.

If David was such a keen guy he'd have been a better QB.

All David probably knows is the terminology...

He won't be able to tell you anything beyond that...

Jackofalltrades
09-13-2007, 01:02 PM
uh....ok.

eriadoc
09-13-2007, 01:05 PM
So if Carr thinks, just an example, that Robinson loses ground on an inside release to receivers that he wouldn't tell our offensive staff?

I find that hard to believe.

While I don't fall in line with those that think Carr is an id10t, things like that are nothing that coaches wouldn't have already picked up on game film. They wouldn't go to Carr for that. Likewise, as an offensive player, I doubt Carr spent much time analyzing the defensive game. The most Carr could (theoretically) offer would be insight into the team's playbook and gameplan. Since Carr wasn't able to execute the gameplan last year, his understanding of it is suspect, at best. Furthermore, things evolve from year to year, especially on a team that is changing the way it's built.

infantrycak
09-13-2007, 01:06 PM
So if Carr thinks, just an example, that Robinson loses ground on an inside release to receivers that he wouldn't tell our offensive staff?

I find that hard to believe.

Carr didn't dedicate himself to studying his own game or upcoming opponents--he certainly wasn't breaking down the Texans D.

real
09-13-2007, 01:10 PM
I honestly just don't see Carr as an individual who would pick up on something like Dunta losing ground on a recievers inside release. I just don't think he was that sharp of a QB. He wasn't a complete i-d-i-o-t, but I just don't think he was quite that sharp.

infantrycak
09-13-2007, 01:12 PM
I honestly just don't see Carr as an individual who would pick up on something like Dunta losing ground on a recievers inside release. I just don't think he was that sharp of a QB. He wasn't a complete i-d-i-o-t, but I just don't think he was quite that sharp.

Exactly--if he was that observant he would have been making adjustments himself and have had more success.

Brando
09-13-2007, 01:15 PM
uh....ok.


Hulk75? Is that you?

Back to the thread.........

Carr doesn't have insight. If he did he may have developed into a starting QB instead of regressing to a back-up role.

HoustonFrog
09-13-2007, 01:19 PM
I think if you believe that David has the mental capacity to pick up on things like that you're delusional.

If David was such a keen guy he'd have been a better QB.

All David probably knows is the terminology...

He won't be able to tell you anything beyond that...

WORD!

John Fox: What can you tell me Dave

Carr: Pro 86 Dig. They like to have X run the Dig route yet they really want to hit the Z running the 5 yard out on the other side of the field.

Leahmic223
09-13-2007, 01:20 PM
So if Carr thinks, just an example, that Robinson loses ground on an inside release to receivers that he wouldn't tell our offensive staff?

I find that hard to believe.


Like it has been said by me earlier and eriadoc just a few posts back.

PLayers weaknesses is something that can be seen on tape, you guys shouldn't rely on Carr for that.

I agree though, I don't think Carr would know that much about it. Peyton and and Wayne was picking on Jason David and a sound clip I heard Dungy say to Peyton "You know you'd think he'd change it upbut he keeps giving us that." and Peyton picked up on it.

Carr just threw dump off passes and looked for Andre every play, I doubt he has some ground breaking information that will tilt the games favor to you guys.

ArlingtonTexan
09-13-2007, 01:29 PM
See this thread for your answer

http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=42055

False Start
09-13-2007, 01:30 PM
I'm not too worried . If he couldn't run the offense while he was here , I don't think hes gonna help much .

Bubbajwp
09-13-2007, 02:06 PM
Carr didn't dedicate himself to studying his own game or upcoming opponents--he certainly wasn't breaking down the Texans D.

LOL. Maybe that was his problem he was watching films of our defense instead of his opponents.

TexansSeminole
09-13-2007, 02:17 PM
uh....ok.

Bottom line is that Carr stuggled with the basics of our playbook. His knowledge of the offense we are building and trying to run here is pretty limited.

ATX
09-13-2007, 02:23 PM
I can see Carr on the sideline screaming " 3 yard dump, 3 yard dump"

HJam72
09-13-2007, 02:58 PM
Carr:

OK, coach, that Schaub guy's gonna take a 2-and-a-half step drop, stair at AJ, run outside the pocket, run back into the pocket, run outside on the other side, slam into the DE on the outside, bounce off, run through the pocket, all the way over to the other outside, stair at AJ some more....and step out of bounds about 3 yards behind the line.

On 2nd down, he'll throw a one yard pass to Green.

On 3rd down, he'll do the same as first down, exept the refs will find him under the DE.

JohnsonFan
09-13-2007, 03:00 PM
carr isnt playing what does it matter he is nothing anyway

DirtyCotton
09-13-2007, 03:29 PM
I seriously doubt Carr will have anything of value to offer Fox.

Exithios
09-13-2007, 03:48 PM
I seriously doubt Carr will have anything of value to offer Fox.

Your preaching to the choir, but that means that if Jake goes down for a concussion or a broken finger nail then he is the new field general. So he must have something to offer fox.

Vinny
09-13-2007, 03:54 PM
Your preaching to the choir, but that means that if Jake goes down for a concussion or a broken finger nail then he is the new field general. So he must have something to offer fox.sure he does. A bunch of short passes and a guy who constantly asks himself paper or plastic?

Nawzer
09-13-2007, 04:01 PM
This issue is highly overrated. What will DC tell the Panther that they don't already know? That we run the zone blocking scheme? We like to play action pass? Bootlegs? Defensively I don't think he knows much because he was too consumed with his offensive responsibilities last year. If we go in and excute our gameplan better than the Panthers we will win. Simple as that.

Double Barrel
09-13-2007, 04:07 PM
Just found out what David has offered in the way of information to Jake:

http://www.cachebeauty.com/wholsale/images/accessories/9-oz-Mousse.jpg

This stuff is fantastic for keeping your hair looking great under a football helmet.

bigbrewster2000
09-13-2007, 04:11 PM
carr isnt playing what does it matter he is nothing anyway

If you had read the thread title before posting then you would have realized that we are not talking about Carr playing but the possibility of him giving insight to the Panthers defense. Thus we have all commented on the fact that he did not have a good enough grasp of the offense while he was here to give the Panthers insight.

You need to think(and read for that matter) before posting. Then you need to consider punctuating like everyone else on this site (except of course mattschaub#8) Let's go, step it up. You have almost 1000 posts(albiet mostly meaningless) on this site, and at this point should have figured it out.

Second Honeymoon
09-13-2007, 04:31 PM
If you had read the thread title before posting then you would have realized that we are not talking about Carr playing but the possibility of him giving insight to the Panthers defense. Thus we have all commented on the fact that he did not have a good enough grasp of the offense while he was here to give the Panthers insight.

You need to think(and read for that matter) before posting. Then you need to consider punctuating like everyone else on this site (except of course mattschaub#8) Let's go, step it up. You have almost 1000 posts(albiet mostly meaningless) on this site, and at this point should have figured it out.

lol

Texan_Bill
09-13-2007, 04:46 PM
carr isnt playing what does it matter he is nothing anyway

Tisk, tisk Grasshopper... You were doing so well.

PapaL
09-13-2007, 04:53 PM
The most Carr could (theoretically) offer would be .....

Great places to get their hair done when in Houston. That has some value to someone....some where. Well besides him and his wifey.

jaybird
09-13-2007, 06:30 PM
He never really looked like he knew the playbook while he was here... why should we worry about what he knows when he's gone....

but it doesn't matter really.. still got to stop the team on the field.

Bubbajwp
09-13-2007, 09:01 PM
So if Carr thinks, just an example, that Robinson loses ground on an inside release to receivers that he wouldn't tell our offensive staff?

I find that hard to believe.

Whoa there skippy I think your stretching it a little bit.

Bubbajwp
09-13-2007, 09:02 PM
So if Carr thinks, just an example, that Robinson loses ground on an inside release to receivers that he wouldn't tell our offensive staff?

I find that hard to believe.

LOL those two words dont belong in the same sentence.

Wolf
09-13-2007, 09:08 PM
I don't know if Carr can give too much insight(our offense is run so much different), I am not taking a shot at him on this ,but after 8 games last season, Kubiak pretty much ran the ball and kept the ball out of his hands..

I think of it in terms of me of buying a Chiltons 2004 Chevy truck manual and deciding to take my truck apart and put it back together (using the book) ,only to find out that once I have the truck back together I am missing a wheel and holding a fuel injector in my hand that I have no idea where it goes

seriously on that note, I guess they could say Black helped us with the Chiefs game with their OL schemes and that is why we shut them down

brakos82
09-13-2007, 09:19 PM
Who started this thread?!?!?!? !!!:wild:

2BCF
09-14-2007, 01:04 AM
Worst case scenario for David Carr this Sunday:

Jake gets hurt, Carr goes in and delivers his usual confused, bumbling performance of negative yardage and delay of games.
Texans win big and Davey is left wimpering in utter embarassment.

Carr Bombed
09-14-2007, 02:04 AM
I'm just going to quote Mr. Dre on this subject

"They have to go out and stop us on Sunday. He can tell them whatever he wants." - Andre Johnson

:ohsnap: :redtowel:

whiskeyrbl
09-14-2007, 04:35 AM
No, Hell he didn't seem to know what was going on while he was here. Much less tell someone, unless he says "I think he is supposed to run out of bounds on this one coach"