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swtbound07
09-10-2007, 11:24 AM
Some things I noticed from my seats.

We are not a good enough offensive line to go five wide. Its just not possible. Schaub will get murdered doing that.

Schaub recognizes defenses. I saw Andre isolated on the touchdown play with a safety out of position. I knew instantly thats where the hole was...well, so did schaub. Its a cool thing to watch.

if eddie kennsion was healthy, we get exploited deep. FS in the 1st round next year, and i dont' want to hear any arguements otherwise.

FirstTexansFan
09-10-2007, 11:25 AM
You sure we don't wanna pick up an extra #1 DL to replace Babin? <evil grin>

Double Barrel
09-10-2007, 11:29 AM
I think we can go five wide under certain circumstances. Schaub has a quick release, so timing patterns can give defenses fits when trying to cover some of our WRs.

The line will get better over time this season. Same way a bad QB can make an average line look really bad, a competent QB can make the same line look above average. Witness yesterday.

bigbrewster2000
09-10-2007, 11:31 AM
Some things I noticed from my seats.

We are not a good enough offensive line to go five wide. Its just not possible. Schaub will get murdered doing that.

Schaub recognizes defenses. I saw Andre isolated on the touchdown play with a safety out of position. I knew instantly thats where the hole was...well, so did schaub. Its a cool thing to watch.

if eddie kennsion was healthy, we get exploited deep. FS in the 1st round next year, and i dont' want to hear any arguements otherwise.

I am pretty sure that a QB is a much higher priority than a FS......it's not like we have CC Brown back there playing..........:shades:

Specnatz
09-10-2007, 11:33 AM
I am pretty sure that a QB is a much higher priority than a FS......it's not like we have CC Brown back there playing..........:shades:

No I think we need to go kicker in the first round. :fieldgoal

real
09-10-2007, 11:34 AM
I think we can go five wide. If we did it when Carr was here, surely we can do it now. I look to see more of that, because it plays into our strength. A QB who can read defenses and make quick throws, and targets who can get open.

Look for the offense to gain cohesiveness as the season progresses. Look for us to become really on point as the years progress.

As far as the first round things goes....I'm cool with BPA....whoever that will be...

Texans Pride
09-10-2007, 06:26 PM
if eddie kennsion was healthy, we get exploited deep. FS in the 1st round next year, and i dont' want to hear any arguements otherwise.


We won't argue because you probably have inside info telling you that's the position we are targeting :)

just kidding, couldn't resist.:splits:

I would love to see us pick up a top safety in the draft.

amazingandre
09-10-2007, 06:32 PM
ya i dont understand why some think 5 wide wont work.....it will play to a huge strength for our team...we have good young wrs who will get way better....aj, walter, jones and IMO mathis will be good if we keep workin on his pass routes...his hands got extremely better at least in preseason....running 5 wide will work.....just give our oline more opp. to prove it to us

hollywood_texan
09-10-2007, 06:55 PM
Some things I noticed from my seats.

We are not a good enough offensive line to go five wide. Its just not possible. Schaub will get murdered doing that.

Schaub recognizes defenses. I saw Andre isolated on the touchdown play with a safety out of position. I knew instantly thats where the hole was...well, so did schaub. Its a cool thing to watch.

if eddie kennsion was healthy, we get exploited deep. FS in the 1st round next year, and i dont' want to hear any arguements otherwise.

IMO, the Texans at some point during the year will be able to go 5 wide without Schaub getting sacked/killed. Probably more important than pass blocking in that situation is the right play called at the right time, the receivers running the right routes, and the QB pulling the trigger on the right receiver. Kubiak + Schaub + Texans receiving core should compensate enough for the offensive line issue. Furthermore, I don't think the offensive line is as bad as some people think because that opinion is tainted due to the old Carr issues.

Just an aside, Indy is starting a rookie LT from Arkansas that they drafted in the 2nd round. I don't hear anyone banging on the Indy offensive line. Every team in the league is going to have issues with the offensive line. There isn't enought talent to go around and the salary cap means players are going to move around a lot. Factor in injuries, you get what I am saying. Which means a top-notch QB is more important than a top-notch offensive lineman. A top-notch QB can make a medoicre offensive line look better, but the same result isn't going to work the other way around.

To your point regarding the draft next year and taking a safety in the 1st round. I would love to get big time safety in the first round. The Texans probably would have loved getting Laron Landry last year in the 1st round.

But, you pick according to your slot and who is available. Point is, the Texans may have to draft someone that is a better player at a different position so they don't have to reach on that position. Example, Amobi Okoye. To some extent, it's a little luck in getting the right guy at the right time/value.

Hardcore Texan
09-10-2007, 08:15 PM
Some things I noticed from my seats.

We are not a good enough offensive line to go five wide. Its just not possible. Schaub will get murdered doing that.

Schaub recognizes defenses. I saw Andre isolated on the touchdown play with a safety out of position. I knew instantly thats where the hole was...well, so did schaub. Its a cool thing to watch.

if eddie kennsion was healthy, we get exploited deep. FS in the 1st round next year, and i dont' want to hear any arguements otherwise.

I disagree, we can go 5 wide with Schaub since we did last year successfully with Carr.

Let's see, AJ, Mathis, Walter, Jones and Davis, that sounds really good to me actually.

Just my two pennies.

Hardcore Texan
09-10-2007, 08:21 PM
IMO, the Texans at some point during the year will be able to go 5 wide without Schaub getting sacked/killed. Probably more important than pass blocking in that situation is the right play called at the right time, the receivers running the right routes, and the QB pulling the trigger on the right receiver. Kubiak + Schaub + Texans receiving core should compensate enough for the offensive line issue. Furthermore, I don't think the offensive line is as bad as some people think because that opinion is tainted due to the old Carr issues.

Just an aside, Indy is starting a rookie LT from Arkansas that they drafted in the 2nd round. I don't hear anyone banging on the Indy offensive line. Every team in the league is going to have issues with the offensive line. There isn't enought talent to go around and the salary cap means players are going to move around a lot. Factor in injuries, you get what I am saying. Which means a top-notch QB is more important than a top-notch offensive lineman. A top-notch QB can make a medoicre offensive line look better, but the same result isn't going to work the other way around.

To your point regarding the draft next year and taking a safety in the 1st round. I would love to get big time safety in the first round. The Texans probably would have loved getting Laron Landry last year in the 1st round.

But, you pick according to your slot and who is available. Point is, the Texans may have to draft someone that is a better player at a different position so they don't have to reach on that position. Example, Amobi Okoye. To some extent, it's a little luck in getting the right guy at the right time/value.

I agree with this here, and important to note that I do not have tons of knowledge of the X's and O's. My though is, if we go 5 wide, they will probably have 6 DB's in for their dime package (one safety will have to play a little deep). That leaves probably 3 down and 2 LB's. And even if both LB's bumrush Schaub they will not have time to get to him if he finds the open guy right away. Most likely one of the LB's will drop back and cover a zone.

Or if they play a nickel defense, that will either be a 3rd LB or another DL. In which case one of the LB's will have to drop into coverage.

Rex King
09-10-2007, 09:12 PM
They can do it. That blind-side sack wasn't on the o-line, it was on Schaub for not recognizing the overload, one of the few mistakes he made.

Rex King
09-10-2007, 09:15 PM
But, you pick according to your slot and who is available. Point is, the Texans may have to draft someone that is a better player at a different position so they don't have to reach on that position. Example, Amobi Okoye. To some extent, it's a little luck in getting the right guy at the right time/value.

I agree, but they do have to address it at some point in the draft or FA. This year is looking pretty weak at the safety position, but possibly pretty deep at CB. They could possibly look at a CB to convert to FS.

YellerLotYeller
09-10-2007, 10:06 PM
With the 32nd pick of the first round in the '08 draft the Houston Texans select....(insert Safety)

:fans:

Malloy
09-11-2007, 03:49 AM
I would like us to address the secondary during the next draft (early pick) AND during this season. Opposing teams watch film, and by doing so they'll recognize that our secondary, although hardhitting, are real bad at coverage. If we do not address this problem SOON, we'll see ourselves exploited in just a few weeks from now.

Marcus
09-11-2007, 07:32 AM
I would like us to address the secondary during the next draft (early pick) AND during this season. Opposing teams watch film, and by doing so they'll recognize that our secondary, although hardhitting, are real bad at coverage. If we do not address this problem SOON, we'll see ourselves exploited in just a few weeks from now.

Curious.

Just how would you address this during the season?

(Other than just scooping up free agents on the street, I mean.)

HJam72
09-11-2007, 07:43 AM
Some things I noticed from my seats.

We are not a good enough offensive line to go five wide. Its just not possible. Schaub will get murdered doing that.

Schaub recognizes defenses. I saw Andre isolated on the touchdown play with a safety out of position. I knew instantly thats where the hole was...well, so did schaub. Its a cool thing to watch.

if eddie kennsion was healthy, we get exploited deep. FS in the 1st round next year, and i dont' want to hear any arguements otherwise.

Was this also true when Von Hutchins was in the game? Other than that, I've been a big advocate of getting a FS too. I know we may have to pass on a better whatever to do it, but how many years are we going to go without one? It could be NEVER when a good FS is the BPA in the first or second round for us. Heck, we might have to trade SEVERAL first round D-Linemen for a good FS 4 years down the road, because we'll have like 8 first rounders, lol.

Marcus
09-11-2007, 07:59 AM
I don't why it should suddenly be news to someone who has been keeping up to date with this team, that there is a weakness in the secondary that will be exploited this season.

It's been said many times that you just can't fix everything at once. Kubiak and Smith have stated on numerous occasions that although the team is getting better, there is still a long way to go. And this was before there were 2 injuries to the safety position.

Just accept the the fact, that yes, the secondary is a weakness this season that will be exploited or taken advantage of. No 'during the season' moves are going to improve the situation to any great extent. As the saying goes, all the good ones are already taken.

If the team is going to win this year, it will be from pressure upfront, and outscoring the opponent. I'm not going to sweat the secondary. It is what it is, for this season.

bigbrewster2000
09-11-2007, 09:35 AM
I don't why it should suddenly be news to someone who has been keeping up to date with this team, that there is a weakness in the secondary that will be exploited this season.

It's been said many times that you just can't fix everything at once. Kubiak and Smith have stated on numerous occasions that although the team is getting better, there is still a long way to go. And this was before there were 2 injuries to the safety position.

Just accept the the fact, that yes, the secondary is a weakness this season that will be exploited or taken advantage of. No 'during the season' moves are going to improve the situation to any great extent. As the saying goes, all the good ones are already taken.

If the team is going to win this year, it will be from pressure upfront, and outscoring the opponent. I'm not going to sweat the secondary. It is what it is, for this season.

Was there anyone disagreeing with you? I have not seen one person on this site say that we had a strenght at the FS position.

We all have come to the conclusion that the secondary is a weakness.
We have pieces in place for the future and from what I can see all of the posts on this thread are supporting what you are saying not disagreeing.

Not real sure where you were going with this.

buffalo2006
09-11-2007, 10:08 AM
Why is nobody talking about putting Boulware in, isn't that why we made the trade for the best DE ever to play football?

Maddict5
09-11-2007, 10:15 AM
if eddie kennsion was healthy, we get exploited deep. FS in the 1st round next year, and i dont' want to hear any arguements otherwise.

supposedly keeny phillips of miami is the only FS worthy of a 1st next yr (and he'll be a very high pick) so at this point i see us going o-line (C/T) in the first and FS in the 3rd

threetoedpete
09-11-2007, 10:56 AM
With the 32nd pick of the first round in the '08 draft the Houston Texans select....(insert Safety)

:fans:

I'm waiting to see pencil neck to come in here and explain to me once again how MS is a great QB on the edge throwing the ball. The guy is what he is. A pure Pocket passer. Period. Agreed, with ya, we won't go five wides ever this season.

They need to work this week with Mario on playing a trap befor he gets killed. Brain lock or not, he is vanuralble on that play. I'll be surprised if our FS probelm is not exposed this week. Whether or not they can over come that will be anyones guess.

Where were our gunners on the punt receiving team ? Jacoby Jones is too good to be shut out. That needs to be fixed quick.

So XT, where do we rank on offense this week ? Top fifteen ? The offensive line is still poor. Or...Ahmen has nothing left in the tank. Up to each of us to figure out which that little thingy is. The reports of Mario's bust were greatly exagerated this summer. Although they don't fix the trap play recognition in the near future, you may be close.

threetoedpete
09-11-2007, 11:08 AM
The only problem with that logic yeller lot, is that this is supposed to be a down year for free safties. After, Kenny Phillips, the scouting department will be lucky to find one to beat out anyone currently on the roster. The guy at 32 or later, will not make the rooster coming out of camp. One of the reasons I was prety sure they would draft one in this years draft. They need to get Brandon Harrison up to speed PDQ. Steve Smith should put a lazar beam on the problem this week. We'll see.

Double Barrel
09-11-2007, 11:40 AM
I'm waiting to see pencil neck to come in here and explain to me once again how MS is a great QB on the edge throwing the ball. The guy is what he is. A pure Pocket passer. Period. Agreed, with ya, we won't go five wides ever this season.

Somebody call Coach Kubiak! He needs to quit running those bootlegs because the expert says his QB is a "pure pocket passer"...whatever that is in this day and age.

Specnatz
09-11-2007, 12:23 PM
The only problem with that logic yeller lot, is that this is supposed to be a down year for free safties. After, Kenny Phillips, the scouting department will be lucky to find one to beat out anyone currently on the roster. The guy at 32 or later, will not make the rooster coming out of camp. One of the reasons I was prety sure they would draft one in this years draft. They need to get Brandon Harrison up to speed PDQ. Steve Smith should put a lazar beam on the problem this week. We'll see.

Might be kind of hard to do this with him being on the Injured Reserve this year.

As far as running 5 wide, I would actually put money on the fact that they will do it again. they did a few times during the preseason and at least two times during the KC game, so I do not think they will totally abandon it. they may chose to not do it every week but to say they will never do it again as a guarantee is very foolish.

The Pencil Neck
09-11-2007, 12:24 PM
I'm waiting to see pencil neck to come in here and explain to me once again how MS is a great QB on the edge throwing the ball. The guy is what he is. A pure Pocket passer. Period. Agreed, with ya, we won't go five wides ever this season.

I'm right here.

Let's see, you were the one who said that they ran rollouts 24 times a game with Carr. Well, you were wrong about that.

IIRC, you were saying that Kubiak wouldn't call any roll outs with Schaub because he was too slow and he was going to get killed. You were wrong. So far, Schaub has been very good on those rollouts. If you think that Carr would have been better on those plays then you're delusional.

Just admit you were wrong and it will be less embarrassing for you.

threetoedpete
09-11-2007, 12:33 PM
I'm right here.

Let's see, you were the one who said that they ran rollouts 24 times a game with Carr. Well, you were wrong about that.

IIRC, you were saying that Kubiak wouldn't call any roll outs with Schaub because he was too slow and he was going to get killed. You were wrong. So far, Schaub has been very good on those rollouts. If you think that Carr would have been better on those plays then you're delusional.

Just admit you were wrong and it will be less embarrassing for you.

I'm licking my chops PN it's coming.

real
09-11-2007, 12:42 PM
So XT, where do we rank on offense this week ? Top fifteen ? The offensive line is still poor. Or...Ahmen has nothing left in the tank. Up to each of us to figure out which that little thingy is. The reports of Mario's bust were greatly exagerated this summer. Although they don't fix the trap play recognition in the near future, you may be close.

Are you delusional ?

I've never called Mario a bust....

In fact I've always said the guy was a good ball player...Yes I did get on him after some sorry outings, but Mario acknowledged that he wasn't playing well...He admitted that he changed his approach...The coaching staff even changed how he was being used....Just in case that doesn't click the light switch on for you, that means that there were concerns...

Our O-line is what it is...I think they played worse on Sunday than what they actually are, but that's just an opinion...

But regardless of what the O-line actually is or isn't I'd much rather prefer to have a QB behind center who makes the O-line "look" better than a QB who makes them look worse....

And Ahman had 97 total yards I believe....Seemed like he did a pretty good job to me...

Malloy
09-11-2007, 06:10 PM
Curious.

Just how would you address this during the season?

(Other than just scooping up free agents on the street, I mean.)

That's exactly what I would like to see :)

ps: And we just did.