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Spike
09-07-2007, 12:37 AM
Let me start off by saying that I have been pretty critical of Mario this off-season. I was pleased to see him more active in the Cowboy game, but was still left feeling that I wanted to see him be more of a factor. Fairly or unfairly, I want to see him produce like the #1 overall pick and hope one day that as a fan I can stop having to hear that he was one of the worst draft blunders of all time.

All of that being said, look at Reggie Bush's numbers tonight (per ESPN):
12 carries, 38 yards (long of 9) and no TDs. There may have been some receiving yards, but I assume if there were it was less than 47 yards shown on the stat sheet I saw.

I know that one night does not make a career and further that the poor performance of Bush justifies or makes the poor performance of Mario less concerning - but it is interesting to keep these numbers in mind when we evaluate our expectations of Mario. I am not sure what the defensive equivelant of the stats above - but I have a feeling that what ever those numbers are - there would be a thread or two about his play.

Wolf
09-07-2007, 12:45 AM
no tds is probably equivellent (mispelled)to no sacks.. yet with what versatility Bush has probably not fair (bush can get Td's for rushing/returning and receiving on TD's)


rushing yards/receiving yards.. equal to tackles/assists (per so many yards)

If one wanted to do that and I haven't a clue on if 1 tackle would equal 20 yards (rushing/receiving) or what.

or even forced TO(fumble,tipped ball for int)

for the record. like you said, one game isn't going to do it...VY,Bush,MW they are going to get shut down from time to time. time will tell

As far as MW, I don't speak for all (obviously) but consistancy is the key (esp for me) and with MW... we need to see that if he goes one on one, he can beat his man a few times(this IS the NFL) or if he gets double teamed , he opens up Demeco,Okoye , etc,etc

JohnsonFan
09-07-2007, 12:47 AM
Mario is ready to step up and be looked at as a "good" 1st pick

Spike
09-07-2007, 12:54 AM
It is an interesting discussion, but in my opinion, a fair comparison is not as simple as comparing rushing yards with tackles or TDs with sacks. While there is some value in an offensive weapon acting as a decoy and providing similar benefits that don't show up in the stat sheet - for the most part - offensive players will always have more sexy stats than the D.

Leahmic223
09-07-2007, 01:41 AM
I really don't care if Reggie has 20 total yards next game. I want Mario to produce.

But yeah Reggie looked pretty bad out there. I have been saying "He can't be a decoy for the rest of his career."...

The Saints tried numerous times to use him as a decoy and the Colts didn't bite. I am not saying the rest of the year will be like that for him, but it doesn't matter. Mario starts to produce I could care less what the Golden boy does. I know everyone is going to compare the two, but i'd rather compare Mario to other DEs.

leebigeztx
09-07-2007, 02:02 AM
Whats a trip is until garbage time reggie had 26 yards ruching on 10 carries. I'm one of the few i guess that think Mario will be a very,very good player that wil help elevate the texans defense into elite status. You cant measure a de to a rb by numbers. You can measure Mario's impact by team defense and players around him. I know for a fact that teams slide protection and chip mario with a back. That should free other guys up to make plays. I never thought they should have ever believed the hype on bush. That whole decoy stuff is just a way for espn and nfl network to spray cologne on doo-doo. They scouts or the so called "experts" had people beliveing he was Marshall faulk combined with Tomlinson. I never saw it in college and never saw it in the pro's. Now if you tell me right now he's a playmaker, i can beleive it in moments, but they make it seem like Brees and Duece had nothing to do with the teams offensive success. i mean think about it, if the texans put mathis on the field and run a reverse or fake reverse, the defense will probably bite. The experts used to make it seem like it was because it was all reggie when it really was a misdirection designed and executed. Mario will be fine as will the defense. I just don't know how creative you have to be when the rb is 5 yds behind the qb. If he's that good, just give him the ball.

Vinny
09-07-2007, 02:26 AM
who cares about Bush? I mean really...I'd love to see our fans focusing on our team more than revel in the failures of the players we passed since imo that tends to make us look like we have an inferiority complex at times. We need Mario to play well because he is Mario Williams and our team invested $60 million in a sport with a salary cap. I often wonder what lurkers around the league think of us as we seem to discuss VY and RB and how much "they suck" as redundantly as we do.

TexansLucky13
09-07-2007, 02:36 AM
who cares about Bush? I mean really...I'd love to see our fans focusing on our team more than revel in the failures of the players we passed since imo that tends to make us look like we have an inferiority complex at times. We need Mario to play well because he is Mario Williams and our team invested $60 million in a sport with a salary cap. I often wonder what lurkers around the league think of us as we seem to discuss VY and RB and how much "they suck" as redundantly as we do.

Hmmm.... In some ways, I prefer it this way. I know you have been to rival message boards. It seems that every one that I visit, the fans seem to be very critical of their own teams. With our attention focused outward, whether it be an inferiority complex or not, we seem to be less critical of our own squad.

The optimism on this board is lightyears ahead of anything I have ever seen. We have had our share of dark times, but at the end of the day, I think we have an amazing fan base.

Vinny
09-07-2007, 02:41 AM
Hmmm.... In some ways, I prefer it this way. I know you have been to rival message boards. It seems that every one that I visit, the fans seem to be very critical of their own teams. With our attention focused outward, whether it be an inferiority complex or not, we seem to be less critical of our own squad.

The optimism on this board is lightyears ahead of anything I have ever seen. We have had our dark days, but at the end of the day, I think we have an amazing fan base.Opinion boards are full of opinion...so yeah, you are going to find tons of critical commentary on football boards....but as I stroll around the league I see different fan mindsets - and it's only my opinion - but I think this kind of stuff doesn't make us look especially confident in ourselves...to each their own though.

I also know that you are correct that much of the stuff I'm talking about is driven by the larger NFL community constantly making fun of the Texans past decisions...so it's understandable to want to tell them to shove it. It doesn't make it less of a nail on the chalkboard type deal for me. I just hope we can find a way to win more games than we lose and actually have a winning streak....a real winning streak. Two in a row doesn't count as a winning streak to me. Five years without a winning streak is just a friggin' long time and a part of why our fans are a bit sensitive.

LORK 88
09-07-2007, 03:03 AM
Mario is going up against either Damien McIntosh or Will Svitek. Against McIntosh, Mario got his first ever sack and finished with 1.5 sacks for the game (and almost got another). If he goes against Svitek, he's going against a converted DE who has some of the worst footwork in the NFL. Needless to say I'm expecting a solid outing.

TK_Gamer
09-07-2007, 03:36 AM
I quit comparing Mario to Bush and Young quite a while ago , and just like someone allready posted, would rather compare him to other DE's. As far as Bush goes though, he is kinda in limbo. As long as Deuce is healthy, Bush will just be an ornament. I watched the game and in all honesty I thought Bush was wide open several times but Brees never threw him the ball unless it was a designed play. I think Mario will do fine this year once he gets his confidence up and gets that first big play out of the way, and I think the Chiefs are gonna be vulnerable to pass rush all game long.

Spike
09-07-2007, 09:59 AM
who cares about Bush? I mean really...I'd love to see our fans focusing on our team more than revel in the failures of the players we passed since imo that tends to make us look like we have an inferiority complex at times. We need Mario to play well because he is Mario Williams and our team invested $60 million in a sport with a salary cap. I often wonder what lurkers around the league think of us as we seem to discuss VY and RB and how much "they suck" as redundantly as we do.

For the record, the purpose of my post was not to bad mouth Reggie Bush - it was to discuss the expectations that we place on Mario.

Kaiser Toro
09-07-2007, 10:07 AM
Mario is a starter on the Texans and he has a gameplan to execute. I expect a win on Sunday by the Texans. It really is that simple unless you base performance on statistics.

eriadoc
09-07-2007, 10:24 AM
IMO, neither Mario, nor Bush were worthy of a #1 overall pick. You could make an argument for VY, I suppose, though that wouldn't have been my pick. There were plenty of people saying that Bush wasn't going to be a good RB in the NFL. I labeled him the next Eric Metcalf while he was still at USC (not that that's a bad thing, but not #1 worthy). But, since none of those people were named Mel Kiper or whoever the hell works at ESPN, the fan base, for the most part, didn't want to listen. Mario is a project - not worth the #1 pick, but teams take those type of guys too early all the time.

As long as the fan base allows the media to dictate their expectations, they'll be disappointed, IMO.

Double Barrel
09-07-2007, 10:28 AM
I don't hold the no. 1 overall pick against Mario. It was our FO decision and not his.

But, I don't think it's too much to hope for that he's at least an adequate DE. I'm not asking for superstar or Pro Bowler, but to just be an adequate pass rusher that can occasionally make some plays. I don't think it's too much to ask.

Hopefully we see some signs of it this Sunday. Time will tell.

nunusguy
09-07-2007, 10:52 AM
who cares about Bush? I mean really...I'd love to see our fans focusing on our team more than revel in the failures of the players we passed since imo that tends to make us look like we have an inferiority complex at times.
I agree with you V in a sense, but on the other hand this organzation and its
fans (that would be us) have been not just criticized but ridiculed continually and repeatedly ever since the 2006 Draft for our #1 pick and for who we didn't pick. And I don't know about you, but I for one tend to resent that kind of crap after awhile. That makes this situation a little different.
But to the subject of this thread. I'm anxious and excited about how Mario and the rest of the DLine looks. Kubiak has sacrificed heavy for light and quick, as TJ will probably be the only starter in the DLine who is at or about 300 and we've got a big horse whos gonna be running up the middle a whole lot against us on Sunday.

Second Honeymoon
09-07-2007, 11:05 AM
who cares about Bush? I mean really...I'd love to see our fans focusing on our team more than revel in the failures of the players we passed since imo that tends to make us look like we have an inferiority complex at times. We need Mario to play well because he is Mario Williams and our team invested $60 million in a sport with a salary cap. I often wonder what lurkers around the league think of us as we seem to discuss VY and RB and how much "they suck" as redundantly as we do.

Voice Of Reason from Vinny once again

Who cares about Bush in regards to Mario. I don't want Bush to suck to somehow validate our passing on him. I want Mario to do well so that he validates our selecting him.

well back to work. here is hoping that the Faggies lose this weekend.

HJam72
09-07-2007, 11:47 AM
I agree with you V in a sense, but on the other hand this organzation and its
fans (that would be us) have been not just criticized but ridiculed continually and repeatedly ever since the 2006 Draft for our #1 pick and for who we didn't pick. And I don't know about you, but I for one tend to resent that kind of crap after awhile. That makes this situation a little different.
But to the subject of this thread. I'm anxious and excited about how Mario and the rest of the DLine looks. Kubiak has sacrificed heavy for light and quick, as TJ will probably be the only starter in the DLine who is at or about 300 and we've got a big horse whos gonna be running up the middle a whole lot against us on Sunday.

That's why I hope Kubes doesn't shy away from pulling Okoye and sticking Maddox in there. Nothing against Amobe, but this game has "we need run stuffers" all over it.

thunderkyss
09-07-2007, 01:06 PM
IMO, neither Mario, nor Bush were worthy of a #1 overall pick. You could make an argument for VY, I suppose, though that wouldn't have been my pick.

So you'd have taken D'Brick??

Maybe AJ Hawk??

Just for arguments sake, let's say you took D'Brick(for all I know, there may not have been a true #1 in that draft... No other team saw the value in trading up, so that is very plausible).

But let's say you've got D'Brick, Pitts, Flanagan, McKinney, & Wiegart starting for you in '6... I doubt our pass protection would have been any better, because you've only got one person on that line worth a damn(Pitts), no help from the backfield, and only adequate help from the TEs. No help whatsoever from the QB position.

Same with Mario. I think he's just as ready for the NFL as D'Brick(when they were drafted)... But he was put on a line that was built to stop the run, and he was supposed to be the Pass rushing specialist. Of the front 7 we started in '06, only Mario, Demeco & Greenwood(my opinion) were worth a damn.

Yeah, Demeco had a great year, but do you think he would have if we had started Weaver & Babin all year??

I don't think so.

Honoring Earl 34
09-07-2007, 01:14 PM
The best Ol the Chiefs had retired . That's two really good OL in two years .

Will Shields is probably a HOFer so before I worry about how will we ever stop LJ ... LJ better hope he has some holes to run through .

infantrycak
09-07-2007, 01:14 PM
Mario is going up against either Damien McIntosh or Will Svitek. Against McIntosh, Mario got his first ever sack and finished with 1.5 sacks for the game (and almost got another). If he goes against Svitek, he's going against a converted DE who has some of the worst footwork in the NFL. Needless to say I'm expecting a solid outing.

Kyle Turley is going to be their starting RT.

Q: At right tackle, will Kyle Turley start for you?

EDWARDS: “Yeah, right now.”

Q: Can you talk about the difference you see in him coming back this year from how he came in last year?

EDWARDS: “He got his weight up for one. He’s not flipping and flopping right now. Last year he was flipping and flopping between right tackle and left tackle. He came in here wanting to play tight end. That’s Turley. That’s why I like the guy.

“But he came in now at 25 pounds bigger than he was last year.”

Link (http://www.kcchiefs.com/news/2007/09/03/qa_with_herm_edwards__93/)

Vinny
09-07-2007, 02:00 PM
The best Ol the Chiefs had retired . That's two really good OL in two years .

Will Shields is probably a HOFer so before I worry about how will we ever stop LJ ... LJ better hope he has some holes to run through .
all off season I read how all the homers said the Colts were in decline because they have 6 new defensive starters and lost their best offensive lineman in Tarik Glenn....so much for that theory.

real
09-07-2007, 02:06 PM
When I was in highschool we lost to Eisenhower the 2nd game of the season 21-35.

In the play-offs we beat that exact same team 44-28.

TexansLucky13
09-07-2007, 02:09 PM
all off season I read how all the homers said the Colts were in decline because they have 6 new defensive starters and lost their best offensive lineman in Tarik Glenn....so much for that theory.

One game into the season and you are already making proclamations. Chill out, V. I doubt you would do the same if Mario Williams got 4 sacks and Vince Young went 0 and 14 with 4 interceptions.

:shades:

Vinny
09-07-2007, 02:11 PM
One game into the season and you are already making proclamations. Chill out, V. I doubt you would do the same if Mario Williams got 4 sacks and Vince Young went 0 and 14 with 4 interceptions.

:shades:
I don't need to chill out...there are only 8 home games and 8 away games in football and that is one reason why every game is a big game in this league. We don't have a watered down regular season like the other major sports. I tend to make observations BASED ON GAMES....and not offseason blather thankyouverymuch.

TexansLucky13
09-07-2007, 02:13 PM
I don't need to chill out...there are only 8 home games and 8 away games in football. I tend to make observations BASED ON GAMES....and not offseason blather thanyouverymuch.

Understandable, but there are many games yet to be played. 1/16 of the Colts regular season has been stellar thus far. Can they keep it up? We will see.

I won't be claiming parted waters until I see consistent performance.

Honoring Earl 34
09-07-2007, 02:30 PM
all off season I read how all the homers said the Colts were in decline because they have 6 new defensive starters and lost their best offensive lineman in Tarik Glenn....so much for that theory.

Yeah but Willie Roaf and Will Shields compared to Tarik Glenn .

Tony Ugoh was a 2nd round pick who stepped in for Glenn and did ok .

You could'nt just replace Mattews and Munchak could you ?

Vinny
09-07-2007, 02:40 PM
Yeah but Willie Roaf and Will Shields compared to Tarik Glenn .

Tony Ugoh was a 2nd round pick who stepped in for Glenn and did ok .

You could'nt just replace Mattews and Munchak could you ?I can't believe you just mentioned Matthews and Munchak with Glenn Roaf and Shields. I was impressed with Ugoh last night...he has a very good skill set and will be a fine LT in the NFL.

The1ApplePie
09-07-2007, 02:42 PM
It will be interesting to see how Mario does without Babin providing all the presure on the QB.

real
09-07-2007, 02:47 PM
It will be interesting to see how Mario does without Babin providing all the presure on the QB.

Babin was a more complete DE than both Charlie Anderson and Shantee Orr.

He's not a better pass rusher than either.

real
09-07-2007, 02:49 PM
I can't believe you just mentioned Matthews and Munchak with Glenn Roaf and Shields. I was impressed with Ugoh last night...he has a very good skill set and will be a fine LT in the NFL.

Colts did a lot of things to help him out last night. Almost all of the RB routes started with a chip to his side. Manning also did a good job getting rid of the ball.

Not saying Ugoh is a bad player--I think he did o.k last night--but he did make a few mistakes which allowed some heat to be placed on Manning.

HOU-TEX
09-07-2007, 02:51 PM
I can't believe you just mentioned Matthews and Munchak with Glenn Roaf and Shields. I was impressed with Ugoh last night...he has a very good skill set and will be a fine LT in the NFL.

I agree with you about Ugoh eventually becoming a good LT in the league. From what I noticed last night, he was saved by Manning on a couple occasions by getting rid of the ball. One being a TD pass to Harrison I believe.

He had the typical ups and downs of a rookie. Indy's oline coach is know for churning out good linemen and I have no doubt Ugoh will become a solid LT for them.:cool:

edit: xtr beat me to it. Man I'm a slow typer. lol

Vinny
09-07-2007, 02:52 PM
Colts did a lot of things to help him out last night. Almost all of the RB routes started with a chip to his side. Manning also did a good job getting rid of the ball.

Not saying Ugoh is a bad player--I think he did o.k last night--but he did make a few mistakes which allowed some heat to be placed on Manning.

sure he looked like a rookie....mainly cause he is a rookie playing his first game. I was really impressed with his skill set overall. He was better than I thought. That's bad news because I thought he was going to be pretty decent. Now I think he may be better than 'decent', long haul.

Vinny
09-07-2007, 02:54 PM
I agree with you about Ugoh eventually becoming a good LT in the league. From what I noticed last night, he was saved by Manning on a couple occasions by getting rid of the ball. One being a TD pass to Harrison I believe.

He had the typical ups and downs of a rookie. Indy's oline coach is know for churning out good linemen and I have no doubt Ugoh will become a solid LT for them.:cool:

edit: xtr beat me to it. Man I'm a slow typer. lolThats what good QB's do...they make your line look better...we are used to a bad QB that didn't understand that if your guy is blocking some guy to the left...DONT RUN LEFT. All linemen need help....even guys like Munchak and Matthews.

Honoring Earl 34
09-07-2007, 02:58 PM
I can't believe you just mentioned Matthews and Munchak with Glenn Roaf and Shields. I was impressed with Ugoh last night...he has a very good skill set and will be a fine LT in the NFL.

How far off are Shields and Roaf to M&M ?

Shields ... Started 16 games at right guard … Earned his 12th consecutive Pro Bowl nod, tying G Randall McDaniel for the most Pro Bowl invitations in NFL history

Roaf ... 11-time Pro Bowler: 1994, 1995, 1996, 1997, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005

real
09-07-2007, 02:59 PM
sure he looked like a rookie....mainly cause he is a rookie playing his first game. I was really impressed with his skill set overall. He was better than I thought. That's bad news because I thought he was going to be pretty decent. Now I think he may be better than 'decent', long haul.

Can't argue with that.

HOU-TEX
09-07-2007, 03:02 PM
Thats what good QB's do...they make your line look better...we are used to a bad QB that didn't understand that if your guy is blocking some guy to the left...DONT RUN LEFT. All linemen need help....even guys like Munchak and Matthews.

LOL! No arguement here.:fans:

Vinny
09-07-2007, 03:06 PM
How far off are Shields and Roaf to M&M ?
not even close to Munchak. Munchak was the most dominant, electric hammer of a Guard I've ever seen....Matthews is a better all around player in the sense that he could play multiple positions but he didn't dominate his man like Munchak could. Munchak was named All-Pro ten times.....not the pro bowl....but All Pro. That is a ridiculous accomplishment. I'd probably lump the other guys right behind Matthews....I don't mean to dismiss them as great players really...that's the homer in me coming out.

Honoring Earl 34
09-07-2007, 03:13 PM
not even close to Munchak. Munchak was the most dominant, electric hammer of a Guard I've ever seen....Matthews is a better all around player in the sense that he could play multiple positions but he didn't dominate his man like Munchak could. Munchak was named All-Pro ten times.....not the pro bowl....but All Pro. That is a ridiculous accomplishment. I'd probably lump the other guys right behind Matthews....I don't mean to dismiss them as great players really...that's the homer in me coming out.

I'm saying if M&M as a tandem are a 9.5 out of 10 . Then Roaf and Shields are a 9.0 / 8.75 .

The Chiefs lost a lot when they left . To get a tandem like that is really hard to do . Pitts and Boselli ... nevermind .

I looked at their depth chart and they are an old team ... FWIW .

Leahmic223
09-07-2007, 07:43 PM
It will be interesting to see how Mario does without Babin providing all the presure on the QB.

Hmmm...what?

Battle Red Flash
09-07-2007, 08:03 PM
I truly hope Mario was as hurt last year as Weaver says.
He could be very good this year.
....but....
Mario's too nice! He plays better mad, so let's start many rumors that the Chiefs players and coaches are talking bad about him, and tee him off!

By the way, I hear Herm Edwards said yesterday that Mario was a DUM pick, and there's NO WAY he could ever get a sack against his Chefs. ....Chiefs.
True Story, Mario. :d:

jaybird
09-07-2007, 08:30 PM
who cares about Bush? I mean really...I'd love to see our fans focusing on our team more than revel in the failures of the players we passed since imo that tends to make us look like we have an inferiority complex at times. We need Mario to play well because he is Mario Williams and our team invested $60 million in a sport with a salary cap. I often wonder what lurkers around the league think of us as we seem to discuss VY and RB and how much "they suck" as redundantly as we do.

Great reply... last year's draft is over... we have MW... doesn't matter who we could have or should have had...

Mario needs to play to his best ability and not be compared to anyone else except Mario Williams... if he plays to his full potential then you can not ask for much more. I think he'll play much better this year than he did last year. I'm not sure about getting a sack a game as he said... but I think double digits is possible.

The1ApplePie
09-08-2007, 09:57 AM
Hmmm...what?

Mario got most of his sacks thanks to Babin forcing QBs out of the pocket towards Mario.

Leahmic223
09-08-2007, 09:59 AM
Mario got most of his sacks thanks to Babin forcing QBs out of the pocket towards Mario.

Sure he did, despite his 14 hurries, I'm sure he never did anything but stand out there if I were to listen to you. Too bad I don't.

The1ApplePie
09-08-2007, 10:01 AM
Sure he did, despite his 14 hurries, I'm sure he never did anything but stand out there if I were to listen to you. Too bad I don't.

On the Culpepper and VY sacks, he pretty much did just stand there and let Babin do the work. Case in point, the .5 yard sack of VY when he was running from Babin.

Leahmic223
09-08-2007, 10:04 AM
On the Culpepper and VY sacks, he pretty much did just stand there and let Babin do the work. Case in point, the .5 yard sack of VY when he was running from Babin.

Like I said...sure he did, despite his 14 hurries...more than your boy from Chicago.

I don't know what Mario did to you, but he is a Texan now. If you are a fan of this team I think you should support him. IMO you seem like you want him to fail just to back up your point that we should have gotten Reggie Bush.

The1ApplePie
09-08-2007, 10:11 AM
Like I said...sure he did, despite his 14 hurries...more than your boy from Chicago.

I don't know what Mario did to you, but he is a Texan now. If you are a fan of this team I think you should support him. IMO you seem like you want him to fail just to back up your point that we should have gotten Reggie Bush.

Or maybe I've been a fan of this team from the begining and I don't want to see the comittment to mediocrity continue?

Mario is the next Coutrney Brown (well, technically, he sucked worse than Brown in his first year), which means his pick could doom the franchise for 5 more years.

Leahmic223
09-08-2007, 10:17 AM
Or maybe I've been a fan of this team from the begining and I don't want to see the comittment to mediocrity continue?

Mario is the next Coutrney Brown (well, technically, he sucked worse than Brown in his first year), which means his pick could doom the franchise for 5 more years.

I have also been a fan since the start, don't try to pull that crap.

Talking about Courtney Brown, the guy was hurt and is hurt for the most of his career. Its not like he was healthy and didn't perform.

Also Mario Williams had a better Rookie season than Strahan's first 3 seasons in the NFL...so what are you getting at exactly...

Leahmic223
09-08-2007, 10:19 AM
Also liked to add is mediocracy is a RB that can't actually run but wants to take up most of our cap space and he can return punts and catch pretty well...when we can just wait a year later and get the same type of player in the 3rd round.

Kaiser Toro
09-08-2007, 10:28 AM
Or maybe I've been a fan of this team from the begining and I don't want to see the comittment to mediocrity continue?

Mario is the next Coutrney Brown (well, technically, he sucked worse than Brown in his first year), which means his pick could doom the franchise for 5 more years.

Being a fan and having sense are two different things. Some of the most ardent Williams' critics would tell you he has not been a flop, but a work in progress. Since you are a fan you would know that Williams' awful play led us to an awful 300% YoY improvement in the win column. He also was responsible for us taking a major step backwards in all defensive categories last year. If his putrid play continues, which I am sure you expect, we could fininsh with nine wins this year. I cannot imagine anything worse for you.

The Texans play 16 games a year and I take them all in twice and supplement my passion with this board. Reggie Bush plays on ESPN all year. Take your veiled Bush love over to the NFL section and keep it out of Texans talk until your boy starts playing like a guy we should have drafted. Right now he is the guy we should not have drafted. :texflag:

DBCooper
09-08-2007, 10:46 AM
Or maybe I've been a fan of this team from the begining and I don't want to see the comittment to mediocrity continue?

Mario is the next Coutrney Brown (well, technically, he sucked worse than Brown in his first year), which means his pick could doom the franchise for 5 more years.


Do you work for the State Department?

Spin baby spin.

YoungTexanFan
09-09-2007, 06:27 PM
Mario Williams: 1 TD
Reggie Bush: 0 TD

Mario Williams 2 sacks
Reggie Bush: 3.16 yards per rush

Mario Williams: 1 Win
Reggie Bush: 0 Win

Leahmic223
09-09-2007, 09:45 PM
Mario Williams: 1 TD
Reggie Bush: 0 TD

Mario Williams 2 sacks
Reggie Bush: 3.16 yards per rush

Mario Williams: 1 Win
Reggie Bush: 0 Win

I can see Apple already...

"Yeah, Travis Johnson did all the work. Plus he got lucky on those sacks and recovering a fumble is pure luck."

Apple kinda disappears when Mario has a good day...I wonder why?