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Brando
09-06-2007, 01:35 PM
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It's for real starting today. I watched Invincible today and if I wasn't already excited for the season it just pumped me up some more.

INDIANAPOLIS -- Peyton Manning grew up in New Orleans, the favorite son in a city where his father, Archie, was considered royalty.

Drew Brees grew up in Texas, an overlooked high school recruit who eventually resurrected Purdue's image as Quarterback U.

Now the New Orleans native and the Purdue favorite have changed places. When the NFL season kicks off Thursday night, Manning will be Indiana's reigning king while Brees returns to his former college state as the bright hope for a resurgent New Orleans franchise -- and the despised opponent.


Good to be watching 2 of our opponents this season clash tonight. I will be rooting for the Saints to upset the Colts.

:cool:

Exithios
09-06-2007, 01:42 PM
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It's for real starting today. I watched Invincible today and if I wasn't already excited for the season it just pumped me up some more.

Good to be watching 2 of our opponents this season clash tonight. I will be rooting for the Saints to upset the Colts.

:cool:

I will be rooting for RB to score the winning touch down and get struck by lightning in the end zone in the middle of his Irish Jig.

My $0.02

Noblesse Oblige
09-06-2007, 01:57 PM
I will be rooting for RB to score the winning touch down and get struck by lightning in the end zone in the middle of his Irish Jig.

My $0.02

that would be tough for lightning to hit him in a dome. :)

Exithios
09-06-2007, 02:16 PM
that would be tough for lightning to hit him in a dome. :)

Don't stir my blasphemies with your legitimacies. :bat:

The Pencil Neck
09-06-2007, 02:31 PM
that would be tough for lightning to hit him in a dome. :)

No one said it had to be natural lightning.

Look up at the top of the dome and you'll see Exithios there with his Acme Patent Applied For Lightning Gun.

The1ApplePie
09-06-2007, 02:31 PM
God King Reggie will have 2 TDs at least tonight

Bank on it

Goldensilence
09-06-2007, 02:33 PM
i have a few Colts on my fantasy team...so i'm kinda rooting for them to do well. What a way to kick off the season.

Exithios
09-06-2007, 02:42 PM
No one said it had to be natural lightning.

Look up at the top of the dome and you'll see Exithios there with his Acme Patent Applied For Lightning Gun.

Taddle Tell... :spy:

Noblesse Oblige
09-06-2007, 03:40 PM
No one said it had to be natural lightning.

Look up at the top of the dome and you'll see Exithios there with his Acme Patent Applied For Lightning Gun.

I hear Raiden is the new LB coach for the Colts too.

powerfuldragon
09-06-2007, 04:16 PM
go colts.

SheTexan
09-06-2007, 05:40 PM
go colts.


Agree!! I need POINTS from Addai and Harrison!!

TEXANS84
09-06-2007, 05:42 PM
Go Saints, instead of FF points...I'd rather look down on the Colts before we've even started our season. It would be nice to start out the year with them in last place, of the ENTIRE league.

Brando
09-06-2007, 06:53 PM
Go Saints, instead of FF points...I'd rather look down on the Colts before we've even started our season. It would be nice to start out the year with them in last place, of the ENTIRE league.

Exactly. As much as it hurts to pull for the Saints, I am.

JohnsonFan
09-06-2007, 06:54 PM
saints will win

Khari
09-06-2007, 07:34 PM
Pink was better at the theme song :pirate:

Yankee_In_TX
09-06-2007, 07:36 PM
Go Saints! Beat them Colts (but only after Peyton throws for 4 TD's!!!)

JohnsonFan
09-06-2007, 07:41 PM
well i thought cause it season opener we can talk play by play.

The NFL SEASON IS OFFICIALLY STARTED


omg Addai is down omg first!

JohnsonFan
09-06-2007, 07:43 PM
I thought cause its the opener we should do a play by play or discuss plays


The NFL SEASON IS OFFICIALLY STARTED


omg Addai is down omg first!
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JohnsonFan
09-06-2007, 07:43 PM
3rd and 8 for the colts wow that sucks about addai

Noblesse Oblige
09-06-2007, 07:44 PM
wow, not good for colts. He got up but was holding his arm funny

JohnsonFan
09-06-2007, 07:44 PM
Reggie for the return for no yards

JohnsonFan
09-06-2007, 07:48 PM
addai may have hurt his ribs

JohnsonFan
09-06-2007, 07:57 PM
addai is back in

JohnsonFan
09-06-2007, 08:01 PM
TD Manning to harrison! 7-0 colts

STEEL BLUE TEXANS
09-06-2007, 08:01 PM
Damn that was a nice catch by Harrison.

Noblesse Oblige
09-06-2007, 08:10 PM
Damn that was a nice catch by Harrison.

addai looks like he's OK LOL
Marvelous Marvin does it again

JohnsonFan
09-06-2007, 08:10 PM
looks like if colts score here they got the game, u cant take a 2 td lead away from the colts

JohnsonFan
09-06-2007, 08:16 PM
TD saints reggie wayne fumbled and saints david takes back for a td

YellerLotYeller
09-06-2007, 08:17 PM
Nice strip...go Saints!!

BattleRedRaider
09-06-2007, 08:18 PM
See, if the Texans had picked up that fumble for a TD, it would've been called back because the WR hadn't made "a football move".

Noblesse Oblige
09-06-2007, 08:19 PM
wayne fumble returned for a TD! i didn't see that coming. momentum swing

YellerLotYeller
09-06-2007, 08:19 PM
See, if the Texans had picked up that fumble for a TD, it would've been called back because the WR hadn't made "a football move".

true...:bat:

TexansMVP
09-06-2007, 08:28 PM
The Colts rookie LT Ugoh doesn't look too hot...hopefully mario will abuse him when we play.

JohnsonFan
09-06-2007, 08:30 PM
man this is going to be a game that goes into OT

JohnsonFan
09-06-2007, 08:32 PM
10-7 No

Second Honeymoon
09-06-2007, 08:41 PM
Manning looks a little rusty. He has thrown a few wobblers. That pass to Marvelous Marvin was a thing of beauty.

bah007
09-06-2007, 08:44 PM
Bush looks a little hesitant.

No way the LB should have caught him from behind on that play.

JohnsonFan
09-06-2007, 08:44 PM
brees to johnson he lost it but he somehow got it back with 4 colts there

JohnsonFan
09-06-2007, 08:46 PM
i thought this would have been alot more high scoring

Noblesse Oblige
09-06-2007, 08:46 PM
Bush looks a little hesitant.

No way the LB should have caught him from behind on that play.

reggie's been sub-par for sure

Noblesse Oblige
09-06-2007, 08:47 PM
i thought this would have been alot more high scoring

yeah, the offenses look rusty so far. some nice plays on d but nothing spectacular that would explain it

jaybird
09-06-2007, 08:49 PM
Neither offense has looked great... Colts only have one big play.... Saints have moved it somewhat but seem to stumble.

Maddict5
09-06-2007, 08:52 PM
reggie's been sub-par for sure

was about to post the same thing..

deuce has ran better
moore's done pr better
stecker's done end arounds

reggie's been a jack of all trades most times ive seen him and again tonight

JohnsonFan
09-06-2007, 08:53 PM
wow almost td to harrison again

JohnsonFan
09-06-2007, 09:00 PM
and its half time 10-7 NO

GuerillaBlack
09-06-2007, 09:01 PM
^^And the score is 10-10. Are you watching the game?

Drew Brees and Deuce better light it up for me in the second half.

bah007
09-06-2007, 09:11 PM
Bush has only 20 yards on 9 touches in the first half. The Saints really need him to pick it up if they are going to win.

Addai looks like he is gonna go crazy in the second half. Nearly 6 yards a pop so far.

This has been a better defensive game than I anticipated... or maybe the offenses are just rusty.

JohnsonFan
09-06-2007, 09:19 PM
yea i meant that sorry i was looking at my fantasy team sortof dazing out

JohnsonFan
09-06-2007, 09:25 PM
td addai!

Noblesse Oblige
09-06-2007, 09:38 PM
Colts beginning to dominate.

Brees has something like 50 passing yards. ouch.

hint: pass to colston, he's on my FF team!

JohnsonFan
09-06-2007, 09:40 PM
same here on 2 of mine

GuerillaBlack
09-06-2007, 09:48 PM
****!

JohnsonFan
09-06-2007, 09:49 PM
its over colts are going to win, int by the colts 24-10, no one can come back on the colts when losing by this much, llok like i miscalculated this game.

StarStruck
09-06-2007, 09:49 PM
This is about to get ugly. I thought the 53 would be covered a bit more evenly.

Cjeremy635
09-06-2007, 09:51 PM
The Colts are what they are, a really good team. No surprise there really. On the other hand, the Saints seem like they are there own worse enemy tonight. They are missing blocking assignments, missing the holes, dropping catchable passes, and committing bonehead penalties. It's like a nightmare, it just keeps getting worse & worse. I really wanted the Colts to lose since they are in our division, but I just don't see it happening tonight.

JohnsonFan
09-06-2007, 09:57 PM
After seeing how well the colts played tonight agianst the saints (who IMO is better than us)alot of texans fan will be thinkin how can we even think about beating them even one time. Yea i know they look phenominal but think about it we beat them last year when they had more key players that they dont have this year. I think we can do it if Ahman is healthy(wait well even if not dayne can kick their arses again).

Noblesse Oblige
09-06-2007, 09:59 PM
The Colts are what they are, a really good team. No surprise there really. On the other hand, the Saints seem like they are there own worse enemy tonight. They are missing blocking assignments, missing the holes, dropping catchable passes, and committing bonehead penalties. It's like a nightmare, it just keeps getting worse & worse. I really wanted the Colts to lose since they are in our division, but I just don't see it happening tonight.

colts have a way of making good teams look like this when they play in indy. saints shouldn't be too concerned after this week.

JohnsonFan
09-06-2007, 09:59 PM
wow i cant beileve on 4th and 1 down by 17 the saints did not go for it!

The1ApplePie
09-06-2007, 10:02 PM
Stinchcomb is ****ing terrible.

Who was that O-Linemen that got blown up by a freakin' Tamp 2 LB on that screen earlier in the game?

Cjeremy635
09-06-2007, 10:02 PM
After seeing how well the colts played tonight agianst the saints (who IMO is better than us)alot of texans fan will be thinkin how can we even think about beating them even one time. Yea i know they look phenominal but think about it we beat them last year when they had more key players that they dont have this year. I think we can do it if Ahman is healthy(wait well even if not dayne can kick their arses again).

I hate to say this, and you all know why, but "it's all about execution". If you watch the Saints, they are playing sloppy and while that may be OK to beat a mediocre team in the NFL, you better bring your "A" game when you play the Colts. I honestly think that the Saints haven't ran the ball enough tonight. Playing the Colts is all about ball control as we all know. Incomplete passes give Payton too much time to work his magic. Bad game plan and bad execution, plain & simple.

Wolf
09-06-2007, 10:03 PM
We are studying the good and bad

signed

30 other defensive coordinators

The1ApplePie
09-06-2007, 10:04 PM
Another example of having two great pass rushers doesn't matter if your secondary is terrible.:pirate:

bah007
09-06-2007, 10:05 PM
Reggie Wayne made Jason David look like a high school CB on that play.

Noblesse Oblige
09-06-2007, 10:05 PM
Stinchcomb is ****ing terrible.

Who was that O-Linemen that got blown up by a freakin' Tamp 2 LB on that screen earlier in the game?

I can't hear his name without thinking Stinkbomb

STEEL BLUE TEXANS
09-06-2007, 10:05 PM
Jason David burned again.

StarStruck
09-06-2007, 10:05 PM
Oh, my! How about some mercy!

JohnsonFan
09-06-2007, 10:05 PM
wow td colts

JohnsonFan
09-06-2007, 10:07 PM
oh yea that helped my FF team

JohnsonFan
09-06-2007, 10:07 PM
wayne has gotten me 18 points tonight omg!

Cjeremy635
09-06-2007, 10:07 PM
Oh, my! How about some mercy!

Not a chance & you know their motto. If you don't want them to score, keep them out of the endzone. They'll atleast put 7 more on the board before it's over. 41-10 or 48-10......either way, somone's got some splainin' to do!

The1ApplePie
09-06-2007, 10:09 PM
I think at the end of the game, Jason David is going to rip his Saints' jersey off and reveal a Colts' uni.

pappy
09-06-2007, 10:10 PM
Reggie Wayne made Jason David look like a high school CB on that play.

jason david is letting wayne release with no bump or anything , thats a bad day everyday . the colts defense is alot better today than i expected .

gg no re
09-06-2007, 10:11 PM
I think at the end of the game, Jason David is going to rip his Saints' jersey off and reveal a Colts' uni.What other infiltrators do the Colts have in the league?

texasguy346
09-06-2007, 10:11 PM
Jason David burned again.

With Jason David wearing #42 anyone having flashbacks to the days of Marcus Coleman as a CB for the Texans? Excuse me I just threw up in my mouth a little.:gun:

Wolf
09-06-2007, 10:11 PM
jason david is letting wayne release with no bump or anything , thats a bad day everyday . the colts defense is alot better today than i expected .

helps when you get a big lead

Wolf
09-06-2007, 10:12 PM
What other infiltrators do the Colts have in the league?

steve mckinney?

ok bad joke

JohnsonFan
09-06-2007, 10:13 PM
saints ball stripped colts ball !

Second Honeymoon
09-06-2007, 10:13 PM
Game Over...

Brees with the no-show
Bush with the no-show
Colston with the no-show
Saints Defense with the no-show

I would have rather the Saints have won because it helps the Texan's divisional hopes, but the Saints are looking like a one-year wonder...looks like the Saints of old...uninspired and the Colts defense has been laying the wood on every tackle and David is being schooled by Manning. Now Manning needsd to throw another TD to Harrison to give me a FF cushion going into Sunday's games.

GO TEXANS
GO SCHAUB
GO MARIO
GO TEXANS

GuerillaBlack
09-06-2007, 10:13 PM
I am starting to think that Drew Brees is overrated. He hasn't done anything tonight. The Saints are this year's Carolina Panthers (when everyone predicted them to go to the Super Bowl, or deep in the playoffs).

The1ApplePie
09-06-2007, 10:13 PM
What other infiltrators do the Colts have in the league?

They had 7 starters go to different teams, which means 7 more rigged wins for the Colts

Oh, and Stinkcomb sucks

Noblesse Oblige
09-06-2007, 10:14 PM
I think at the end of the game, Jason David is going to rip his Saints' jersey off and reveal a Colts' uni.

a secret free agent signing!

gg no re
09-06-2007, 10:14 PM
how high will Manning run up the score?

Noblesse Oblige
09-06-2007, 10:15 PM
I am starting to think that Drew Brees is overrated. He hasn't done anything tonight. The Saints are this year's Carolina Panthers (when everyone predicted them to go to the Super Bowl, or deep in the playoffs).

he had a really, really bad night, but it's only 1 game. wait and see if this is an aberration or a pattern.

he's had a solid career--one bad night in a road game against the defending World Champions shouldn't erase all that.

Marcus
09-06-2007, 10:15 PM
Whenever the Colts were beaten, how were they beaten?

Answer: They got pressure on Manning.

Did they get pressure on Manning tonight?

Wolf
09-06-2007, 10:16 PM
how high will Manning run up the score?

not sure, haven't found his fantasy football league team yet

The1ApplePie
09-06-2007, 10:16 PM
Game Over...

Brees with the no-show
Bush with the no-show
Colston with the no-show
Saints Defense with the no-show

I would have rather the Saints have won, but they are looking like a one-year wonder...looks like the Saints of old

O-Line was horrible
Stinkcomb
A guard that got blown up in the open field on a screen play by a 220 pound LB.

Its good to see Tony Ugoh doing well, I feel less bad about getting crushed like a bug by him in High School.

JohnsonFan
09-06-2007, 10:17 PM
how high will Manning run up the score?
i hope high keep throwing to wayne!

The1ApplePie
09-06-2007, 10:18 PM
Whenever the Colts were beaten, how were they beaten?

Answer: They got pressure on Manning.

Did they get pressure on Manning tonight?

Usually teams beat Manning by running the ball, but its kind of hard when their D-Line starts every snap in your backfield.

Reggie had 5 guys on him before he got the hand off on a play

gg no re
09-06-2007, 10:19 PM
Hey, you guys know how in that new Madden game, certain players get special skills, such as Manning who has the ability to see the opposing team's plays.

Just saying, you know?

Second Honeymoon
09-06-2007, 10:20 PM
O-Line was horrible
Stinkcomb
A guard that got blown up in the open field on a screen play by a 220 pound LB.

Its good to see Tony Ugoh doing well, I feel less bad about getting crushed like a bug by him in High School.

Yeah I liked the fact that he horsecollared that DE before he got to Peyton. He knew it was gonna be a flag but he didn't care. He got beat but wasn't going to let his QB get hit. He is going to have growing pains but with the Colt's history of developing and coaching up OL they may be able to overcome the disastrous loss of Tarik Glenn to retirement.

yeah the Saints were bad all around. the defense didn't match the Colts intensity on hitting...and that is always a sign that a team came out flat.

Marcus
09-06-2007, 10:24 PM
Usually teams beat Manning by running the ball, but its kind of hard when their D-Line starts every snap in your backfield.

Reggie had 5 guys on him before he got the hand off on a play

No, you beat Manning by getting in his face. Ask the Steelers and the Patriots. That's why McNair drafted Mario, remember?

Give Manning all night to throw the ball, then you'll have all those Jason Davids out there being hung out to dry.

The1ApplePie
09-06-2007, 10:25 PM
At least Eric Johnson looked good...

Where is Meachem?

If the Colts are putting this kind of beating on Brees, Deuce, and Reggie, I fell bad for Scauby, Green, and AJ

The1ApplePie
09-06-2007, 10:27 PM
No, you beat Manning by getting in his face. Ask the Steelers and the Patriots. That's why McNair drafted Mario, remember?

Give Manning all night to throw the ball, then you'll have all those Jason Davids out there being hung out to dry.

Ron Dayne beat Manning last year.

Pats and the Steelers cram the running game down your throat and destroy the clock.

gg no re
09-06-2007, 10:27 PM
Oh man I love that revisit to Romo's playoff sploof.

gg no re
09-06-2007, 10:28 PM
Also nice to see Bush get his garbage time stats.

The1ApplePie
09-06-2007, 10:30 PM
Also nice to see Bush get his garbage time stats.

Good ole Carrbage time

Good throw Brees

gwallaia
09-06-2007, 10:32 PM
tee hee, Jughead is my Fantasy QB.

Cjeremy635
09-06-2007, 10:32 PM
Also nice to see Bush get his garbage time stats.

Guarantee it'll make some highlight reel & leave that little tidbit of info out of it. Hell, my grandma could rush on them when they drop everyone deep with a 30 point lead.

Noblesse Oblige
09-06-2007, 10:32 PM
this has not been pretty. at all

Marcus
09-06-2007, 10:33 PM
Is it that some of you are just wishing that the Saints played a flat game tonight?

Or could it be that the Colts are pretty good?

I'm thinkin the latter.

gg no re
09-06-2007, 10:33 PM
I swear Carr probably had a lower yd/completion in a game than Brees tonight

Cjeremy635
09-06-2007, 10:34 PM
Is it that some of you are just wishing that the Saints played a flat game tonight?

Or could it be that the Colts are pretty good?

I'm thinkin the latter.

I think it's both....:shades:

Hervoyel
09-06-2007, 10:34 PM
I am starting to think that Drew Brees is overrated. He hasn't done anything tonight. The Saints are this year's Carolina Panthers (when everyone predicted them to go to the Super Bowl, or deep in the playoffs).

I made a comment last year about the Saints returning to their "classic" ways once the feel-good 2006 season was over. I don't think tonight proves anything but I do expect the Saints to be a whole bunch more ordinary this year.

Second Honeymoon
09-06-2007, 10:34 PM
Brees is stinking up the joint. nice 1.75yds per reception, Bush.

A timeout? omg that is pathetic.

JohnsonFan
09-06-2007, 10:34 PM
this is so over

STEEL BLUE TEXANS
09-06-2007, 10:35 PM
Saints call a TO with 8 seconds left. Sean Payton must have bet the over.

Second Honeymoon
09-06-2007, 10:35 PM
Pathetic performance by the Saints. Nice intensity by the Colts defense and Manning was well.....Manning.

Cjeremy635
09-06-2007, 10:36 PM
Saints call a TO with 8 seconds left. Sean Payton must have bet the over.

;p lmao

TexansLucky13
09-06-2007, 10:37 PM
Reggie Bush = Unimpressive

Colts Defense = Impressive

TexanSam
09-06-2007, 10:38 PM
Geez...Drew Brees was something like 34-39 during the preseason too. Now I know preseason means diddly squat at times so you can't look into those stats a whole lot, but I thought he would play better than he did today.

Marcus
09-06-2007, 10:39 PM
Boy, I can tell who y'all are rootin for.

Absolutely no credit to the Colts at all.:dontknowa

The1ApplePie
09-06-2007, 10:39 PM
Will Smith is the good version of Mario Williams and Ugoh destroyed him...

I hope Boulware can cover:d:

Cjeremy635
09-06-2007, 10:41 PM
Boy, I can tell who y'all are rootin for.

Absolutely no credit to the Colts at all.:dontknowa

On my part, it's not that at all. I just WANT them to lose due to the fact they they are in the AFC south. They are a GREAT team and I'm not taking anything away from that convincing victory. 41-10 says it all.

Wolf
09-06-2007, 10:41 PM
saw very little of the game.. however was the Colts defense that good or was it that the Ponies got such a big lead it made the Saint's offense go one dimentional?

The1ApplePie
09-06-2007, 10:44 PM
saw very little of the game.. however was the Colts defense that good or was it that the Ponies got such a big lead it made the Saint's offense go one dementional?

The Colts D-Line basically started every snap in the Saints backfield. Both Reggie and Duece were pretty much swarmed as soon as they touched a handoff

Second Honeymoon
09-06-2007, 10:44 PM
3 points generated by the Saints offense....Colts defense just dominated them

You can't go three and out against the Colts and you can't turn the ball over against them. If you do, your hosed.

STEEL BLUE TEXANS
09-06-2007, 10:44 PM
saw very little of the game.. however was the Colts defense that good or was it that the Ponies got such a big lead it made the Saint's offense go one dementional?


The game was tied at halftime. The Saints offense scored 3 points (defense had a TD return). All credit goes to the Colts defense.

Kaiser Toro
09-06-2007, 10:47 PM
Will Smith is the good version of Mario Williams and Ugoh destroyed him...

I hope Boulware can cover:d:

The last team to beat the Colts was the Texans and they did it by running down their throat with a second rate RB, no passing game and with a pivotal TO caused by Mario. Donde estaba Reggie esta noche?

We are being built to beat the Colts. Hop aboard or continue enjoying the ESPN commericals which display Reggie at his best, behind the camera when the game is not on the line. :piano:

kastofsna
09-06-2007, 10:49 PM
i guess i must repeat how Reggie Bush is a product of overhype, and nothing else. he's completely useless against a defense with any speed. expect him to be shutdown by the Bucs next week, too.

it'd be fine if he made up for his complete inability to run on the outside against a speedy defense by rushing well up the middle, but that's obviously not the case. does he think his little jukes and jives fool anyone? it's hysterical to see him shimmy and shake, and the defender just stands there and waits for him for the easy tackle.

anyway, figured i'd throw a little more gas into the anti-reggie bush fire around here, why not. i'm thinking he's actually more overrated than Vince Young now. a tough feat.

as for Brees, he's good, but Indy's defense is looking awesome at this point. i know new england has added a ton of people this offseason, but i've been on the colts through it all. how can people's memory be so short?

manning is a beast, addai will only get better, harrison and wayne aren't slowing down anytime soon, clark looks to be one the biggest X-factors in the NFL right now, and the biggest potential "weakness" this year (tony ugoh) looked like a pro. he had some mistakes, but overall, damn impressive performance.

as i said, the collective memories of the fans and media is short, so while everyone had the pats winning the super bowl yesterday, tomorrow i expect everyone to be back on the colts bandwagon. and if the pats rape the jets on sunday, expect some more bandwagon flipping. it's fun.

Second Honeymoon
09-06-2007, 10:50 PM
saw very little of the game.. however was the Colts defense that good or was it that the Ponies got such a big lead it made the Saint's offense go one dementional?

The Colts defense played with a high intensity and were just sticking people. The Saints defense didn't match that intensity and Manning just started burning them behind their safety. The Colts offense uses their TE so well to get the Safeties to come up. Manning makes it looks so easy and is the best QB I have ever seen during my life....better than them all...Joe, Roger, Dan, Elway, and Bradshaw....it doesn't matter.

The guy needs to get his career over with and get out of our damn division....

It was nice for them to finally play for real...the level of hitting just gets ratcheted up to the Nth degree

The Pencil Neck
09-06-2007, 10:50 PM
Whenever the Colts were beaten, how were they beaten?

Answer: They got pressure on Manning.

Did they get pressure on Manning tonight?

Yes. The Saints were all around him and put him on the ground a few times but they never got to him before he threw the ball. Will Smith was abusing Tony Ugoh. And they came with some blitzes from the corners that hurried and hit Manning.

Lucky
09-06-2007, 10:51 PM
If you translated Reggie Bush's performance into a DE's stats, they would read:

0-0-0 (Tackles-Assists-Sacks)

He's reverted back to running sideways and juking guys who are 5 yards away. That only works in Madden, Reggie.

Duece should have been the focus of the Saints attack tonight. You beat the Colts defense by running downhill. I thought every team in the league knew that?

STEEL BLUE TEXANS
09-06-2007, 10:52 PM
Reggie Bush is the 50 million dollar decoy.

The Pencil Neck
09-06-2007, 10:54 PM
Will Smith is the good version of Mario Williams and Ugoh destroyed him...

I hope Boulware can cover:d:

What game were you watching? Ugoh was getting abused by Smith.

tulexan
09-06-2007, 10:55 PM
I swear Carr probably had a lower yd/completion in a game than Brees tonight

Remember his negative passing yards game?

Wolf
09-06-2007, 10:55 PM
i guess i must repeat how Reggie Bush is a product of overhype, and nothing else. he's completely useless against a defense with any speed. expect him to be shutdown by the Bucs next week, too.

it'd be fine if he made up for his complete inability to run on the outside against a speedy defense by rushing well up the middle, but that's obviously not the case. does he think his little jukes and jives fool anyone? it's hysterical to see him shimmy and shake, and the defender just stands there and waits for him for the easy tackle.

anyway, figured i'd throw a little more gas into the anti-reggie bush fire around here, why not. i'm thinking he's actually more overrated than Vince Young now. a tough feat.

as for Brees, he's good, but Indy's defense is looking awesome at this point. i know new england has added a ton of people this offseason, but i've been on the colts through it all. how can people's memory be so short?

manning is a beast, addai will only get better, harrison and wayne aren't slowing down anytime soon, clark looks to be one the biggest X-factors in the NFL right now, and the biggest potential "weakness" this year (tony ugoh) looked like a pro. he had some mistakes, but overall, damn impressive performance.

as i said, the collective memories of the fans and media is short, so while everyone had the pats winning the super bowl yesterday, tomorrow i expect everyone to be back on the colts bandwagon. and if the pats rape the jets on sunday, expect some more bandwagon flipping. it's fun.

I could see that. some pick the Saint's as the class of the NFC, however one game doesn't make a season for good teams.. I mean heck I said the Ponies were done after we beat them because they couldn't stop the run.... confidence is a killer in sports

the wonger need food
09-06-2007, 10:56 PM
God King Reggie will have 2 TDs at least tonight

Bank on it


Nice prediction there, you really know your football. When do you think your hero will finally get a 20+ yard run in the NFL?

Second Honeymoon
09-06-2007, 10:57 PM
Donde estaba Reggie esta noche?



El Burdel con La Prostituta errrrr Senorita Kim Kardashian?


http://blogs.sohh.com/ya_heard/kimandreggieb.jpg

the wonger need food
09-06-2007, 10:59 PM
The Colts D-Line basically started every snap in the Saints backfield. Both Reggie and Duece were pretty much swarmed as soon as they touched a handoff


Boo hoo for Reggie. I'm sure you'll be here all season to make excuses for him.

Honoring Earl 34
09-06-2007, 11:02 PM
Reggie Bush is the 50 million dollar decoy.

My thought on Bush was that you still need a main back to carry the load . Nice change of pace guy and good reciever but he can't carry it 25 times a game .

They spend a ton of money on Deuce and Reggie so it seems they now have some holes to fill . Can Reggie play CB ?

TexansLucky13
09-06-2007, 11:02 PM
Boo hoo for Reggie. I'm sure you'll be here all season to make excuses for him.

I don't see how anyone can excuse his performance. He was dropping passes and acting like he was back at USC when his feet were moving.

Lucky
09-06-2007, 11:03 PM
I swear Carr probably had a lower yd/completion in a game than Brees tonight
The stat Michaels quoted was for a QB with 25+ passing attempts.

gg no re
09-06-2007, 11:03 PM
Tonight in the game, didn't Madden or Michaels say that in an interview with Reggie prior to the game, Reggie stated that his philosophy would be to get as far as possible without getting hit. To preserve his career.

the wonger need food
09-06-2007, 11:04 PM
I don't see how anyone can excuse his performance. He was dropping passes and acting like he was back at USC when his feet were moving.


That guy will make excuses for him. He's in love or something.

Marcus
09-06-2007, 11:05 PM
Yes. The Saints were all around him and put him on the ground a few times but they never got to him before he threw the ball. Will Smith was abusing Tony Ugoh. And they came with some blitzes from the corners that hurried and hit Manning.

Well, I watched the game. I don't recall Manning having to hurry any of his throws, or having his timing disrupted, or not having the time to go through his progressions.

You need to harass him, get in his face. Didn't happen tonight.

Honoring Earl 34
09-06-2007, 11:08 PM
I'm just glad I don't have to watch that commercial on the NFL network anymore . This is Reggie Bush ... can I get enough chili to fill the tub .

I do want the sports guys to say .... WOW Reggie blew tonight ... the Texans should have taken Adai or Maroney .

kastofsna
09-06-2007, 11:10 PM
at least Bush made up for his offensive showing with a great showing on punt returns.

oh wait, he returned the first punt of the game for 2 yards, and that's it. hooray

Second Honeymoon
09-06-2007, 11:10 PM
Well, I watched the game. I don't recall Manning having to hurry any of his throws, or having his timing disrupted, or not having the time to go through his progressions.

You need to harass him, get in his face. Didn't happen tonight.

he got a little heat in the 2nd Quarter but once halftime rolled around it was Manning keeping the Saints off balance. Addai did a blue collar job, nothing that special, but more than enough to keep the Saints honest.

kastofsna
09-06-2007, 11:12 PM
Well, I watched the game. I don't recall Manning having to hurry any of his throws, or having his timing disrupted, or not having the time to go through his progressions.

You need to harass him, get in his face. Didn't happen tonight.
he wasn't pressured because Manning is smarter than the old Manning. his tackles were beat a few times, but he rolled to the opposite side to avoid the pressure, before it came down on him. it's why he had his best year last year in terms of sacks, and why he'll probably have an even better season this year. he's no statue. it's going to be HARD to put serious pressure on him.

Noblesse Oblige
09-06-2007, 11:32 PM
Nice prediction there, you really know your football. When do you think your hero will finally get a 20+ yard run in the NFL?

The message just got a little mixed up--Reggie did get 2 TDs tonight, just not the one believed

JohnsonFan
09-06-2007, 11:34 PM
wow brees did horrible and so did colstson and so did duece... oh they all did, man lol my friend had brees and duece in ff tonight. He got -1.22 points for brees and 2.8 points for duece... he lost this week! i had colston but he had 7.8 points so thats ok i guess...

Vinny
09-07-2007, 12:01 AM
So much for the decline of the Colts....reason 23254 why you don't listen to the rival homers in the preseason.

The Pencil Neck
09-07-2007, 12:21 AM
Well, I watched the game. I don't recall Manning having to hurry any of his throws, or having his timing disrupted, or not having the time to go through his progressions.

You need to harass him, get in his face. Didn't happen tonight.

He had times when he had plenty of time. Sure.

At about 10:40 in the 3rd, Manning throws a long pass to Harrison. Watch that one again. There's a blitz and Manning knows it. He gets rid of the ball just before he gets hit. He ends that play on the ground. If that's not pressure, then nothing is.

How about the time that Will Smith grabbed Manning before he threw and Manning ended up floating it out of bounds? You should remember that one because Smith had Ugoh's facemask in one hand and Manning's shoulder pads in the other. Ugoh was called for holding on that play but it was 4th down anyway because of the incompletion.

Those are just two off the top of my head but there were several other plays where Manning had people around him and/or in his face or at his feet when he was throwing. The thing about Manning is that he makes those throws now. A couple of years ago, he didn't. But like I said, there were other times that the Colts picked up the blitzes and Manning had all day and he killed them but most of those plays were in the second half, I think.

I'd like to see what the stats were by half. I think the Colts made all the right adjustments in the second half.

The key for the Saints beating the Colts in this game had to be sustained drives that ended in scores as well as getting more in Manning's face.

Leahmic223
09-07-2007, 12:53 AM
The Colts D-Line basically started every snap in the Saints backfield. Both Reggie and Duece were pretty much swarmed as soon as they touched a handoff

Give it up apple man. I know Saints fan who are not going to make excuses for his performance.

Looks the golden boy decoy didn't bring his game tonight. I really don't care if his oline was executing. Hell LT once ran behind a bad oline and that didn't stop him. Barry Sanders did it his whole career...my point if Reggie was Jesus in Cleats like you suggest, he should be able to at least break 70 yards rushing behind a poor oline.

Hell Domanick Davis ran behind a worse Oline and had better games than that.

Vinny
09-07-2007, 01:19 AM
Hell Domanick Davis ran behind a worse Oline and had better games than that.
We've always had pretty good run blocking... Pass blocking is not the same skillset as run blocking.

BattleRedToro
09-07-2007, 06:11 AM
So much for the decline of the Colts....reason 23254 why you don't listen to the rival homers in the preseason.

Actually 1 misplayed game doesn't equate to proof. I am very dissapointed in the gameplan of Sean Payton. If it had been up to me, I would have run a power run offense at them. I expect the Texans to do that and be succesful at it as well. You don't run offtackle with a speed back against a smaller faster defense. You run between the tackles with counter plays and traps and fb dives. Take a page from Bum Phillips' Oilers and tenderize that small defense with bruising power runs and you will accomplish 2 things. #1) You will keep Peyton Manning off the feild by eating up the clock, and #2) By sometime in the 3rd or 4th Quarter that small fast defense will be worn out and the gamebreaking long runs will start. To put it in its simplest form, run towards small fast defenses and run away from big slow defenses. So, by that accord the Saints should've used a heavy dose of FB lead blocking for Deuce against the Colts and against a big slow defense they should run Reggie offtackle and with screen passes to allow him to get into space and use his speed against his slower opponents.

MightyTExan
09-07-2007, 06:56 AM
Wasn't Brees' arm hurt in the pre-season? His throws didn't have any "umph" on them.

Silver Oak
09-07-2007, 07:13 AM
That was a good game to break our 2007 "cherry" last night.

RB looked lost at times while rushing for his 45 yds. Pretty obvious that Brees needs to have a good game passing to open up other parts of their game. Hope the Texans saved that film!

Hats off to the Colts. That Defense looked extremely sharp.

Grams
09-07-2007, 07:15 AM
I can't analysis games like most of you, but the Saints looked like they had their 2nd and 3rd stringers out there.

They did get some pressure on Manning at times, but as most good QB's do, he gets rid of it before he takes a sack.

Indy's defense looked pretty good or the Saints offense is not so good this year. If they continue to play like that, we should have not problem beating them.

Don't think their letting Jason David go hurt them too much.

nunusguy
09-07-2007, 07:52 AM
I do want the sports guys to say .... WOW Reggie blew tonight ... the Texans should have taken Adai or Maroney .
Or Maurice Drew-Jones. Any of those 3 backs drafted last year would have been better "feature backs" in our offense, or any NFL offense, that Reggie Bush.
Hey I'm not gonna get into the keep-Carr/pass-on-VY debate now or even try to justify picking Mario, but watching last nights game IMO was another example of the wisdom of Kubiak's choice, or more precisely non-choice, of leaving Reggie Bush on the Board last year. Bush is fun to watch, exciting but he's not an NFL running back. I dunno what he is for sure, maybe basically a slot receiver who also returns punts ? I dunno, don't we have that now in Jacobey ?
Dang, the guy dodges and weaves when he takes a handoff straight up the middle ! Does he think he's back in high school ? Do you think LJ will dodge and weave this Sunday in Reliant when he gets a handoff up the middle from
the Chiefs QB ? Reggie Bush can never be like that - he's a scatback, a guy who always looks for daylight to the outside and will avoid any and all contact as best he can.
In a very short period of time, for whatever reasons(s) Reggie Bush has kinda become one of the primary faces of the NFL if you base that on TV exposure, but he proved again last night that that is strictly and exclusively as a commercial property and certainly not as a premiere talent in this league.

WWJD
09-07-2007, 08:12 AM
So much for the decline of the Colts....reason 23254 why you don't listen to the rival homers in the preseason.

Yep.

Mr teX
09-07-2007, 08:44 AM
Sean Payton lost the game for the Saints last night. An essential part of "d'ing" up the colts is to keep the ball out of Manning & the offenses' hands. You mainly do that by running the ball & Payton kept trying to pass it even though deuce was gashing them pretty good early on. The 1st possession in the 2nd half for the saints was a joke.

he's got to find more ways to get Duece & RB on the field at the same time. Hell, you're essentially using RB as a WR anyway so i don't understand why he didn't do that more.

Silver Oak
09-07-2007, 08:59 AM
Or Maurice Drew-Jones. Any of those 3 backs drafted last year would have been better "feature backs" in our offense, or any NFL offense, that Reggie Bush.
Hey I'm not gonna get into the keep-Carr/pass-on-VY debate now or even try to justify picking Mario, but watching last nights game IMO was another example of the wisdom of Kubiak's choice, or more precisely non-choice, of leaving Reggie Bush on the Board last year. Bush is fun to watch, exciting but he's not an NFL running back. I dunno what he is for sure, maybe basically a slot receiver who also returns punts ? I dunno, don't we have that now in Jacobey ?
Dang, the guy dodges and weaves when he takes a handoff straight up the middle ! Does he think he's back in high school ? Do you think LJ will dodge and weave this Sunday in Reliant when he gets a handoff up the middle from
the Chiefs QB ? Reggie Bush can never be like that - he's a scatback, a guy who always looks for daylight to the outside and will avoid any and all contact as best he can.
In a very short period of time, for whatever reasons(s) Reggie Bush has kinda become one of the primary faces of the NFL if you base that on TV exposure, but he proved again last night that that is strictly and exclusively as a commercial property and certainly not as a premiere talent in this league.

It is just one game, and he'll still be a good player, but you hit the proverbial "nail on the head" with your post.

The1ApplePie
09-07-2007, 09:42 AM
Boo hoo for Reggie. I'm sure you'll be here all season to make excuses for him.

Nice comming from the king of Mario excuse makers:bat:

No blocking is hard for an RB to overcome. I guess RB must suck, because Duece was sure lighting up that defense.:whip:

the wonger need food
09-07-2007, 10:05 AM
Nice comming from the king of Mario excuse makers:bat:

No blocking is hard for an RB to overcome. I guess RB must suck, because Duece was sure lighting up that defense.:whip:



Deuce does suck. He's lost at least a few steps.

It's true that scatbacks need better blocking than regular running backs because they can't break tackles, won't run inside (unless it's a draw play) and don't like hitting. If Sean Peyton is the genius that all of you Big Sleazy fans think he is, he will move their scatback to WR.

Either way, it's looking like America's hype-machine might run into some trouble this season.

Noblesse Oblige
09-07-2007, 10:13 AM
Wasn't Brees' arm hurt in the pre-season? His throws didn't have any "umph" on them.

I thought that was at the probowl.

Brees doesn't have a laser-rocket arm by any means. He has good vision and can find the open man in space but I don't remember him ever oomphing the ball down the field

eriadoc
09-07-2007, 10:19 AM
Wasn't Brees' arm hurt in the pre-season? His throws didn't have any "umph" on them.

I was kind of wondering the same thing. That last INT in the 4th quarter was woefully short. Patten was actually pretty clearly open on the way to the end zone, but Brees underthrew him by 10+ yards. The only thing I can think is that Patten was supposed to hook or something, but it didn't necessarily look that way.

The Saints did nothing to challenge the Colts' defense. That really is what it boils down to, for me. They threw a bunch of 5 yard passes and screens, and handed off to Bush instead of Deuce entirely too much.

Peyton Manning continues to stare down his receivers and completely get away with it, too. I'm convinced that all the talk about QB staring down their receivers is complete bunk, because Manning has always done it, and he wins.

Jason David should have won Horse Trailer Player of the Game. He accounted for at least three TDs last night ;)

Kaiser Toro
09-07-2007, 10:26 AM
Peyton Manning continues to stare down his receivers and completely get away with it, too. I'm convinced that all the talk about QB staring down their receivers is complete bunk, because Manning has always done it, and he wins.

Jason David should have won Horse Trailer Player of the Game. He accounted for at least three TDs last night ;)

You have got to be kidding. Look at his pass distribution, watch his head swivel going through his progressions, watch him read the defense and audible and lastly watch him stare down a WR that is exploiting a weak CB.

Errant Hothy
09-07-2007, 10:37 AM
God King Reggie will have 2 TDs at least tonight

Bank on it

This is the funniest thing I've read this morning...well...myabe it's not as funny as this:

12 rushes for 39 yrds with a long of 9

eriadoc
09-07-2007, 10:38 AM
You have got to be kidding. Look at his pass distribution, watch his head swivel going through his progressions, watch him read the defense and audible and lastly watch him stare down a WR that is exploiting a weak CB.

No doubt, he does most of his work prior to the snap. Once the ball is snapped, though, his eyes never leave who he is planning on throwing to, on most of the plays.

Honoring Earl 34
09-07-2007, 10:42 AM
This is the funniest thing I've read this morning...well...myabe it's not as funny as this:

12 rushes for 39 yrds with a long of 9

How many yards did he get on draw plays at the end .

Mr teX
09-07-2007, 10:50 AM
Deuce does suck. He's lost at least a few steps.

It's true that scatbacks need better blocking than regular running backs because they can't break tackles, won't run inside (unless it's a draw play) and don't like hitting. If Sean Peyton is the genius that all of you Big Sleazy fans think he is, he will move their scatback to WR.

Either way, it's looking like America's hype-machine might run into some trouble this season.

Duece doesn't suck, Payton is just under pressure to give RB his touches & it's taking away from Duece whose running style is the kind that wears on you as the game goes on. They are a much more efficient team when he's the feature guy & RB is a flanker.

It's going to be interesting who Duece ends up playing for once all of this money they have tied up in the backfield begins to be to much for them. You have to know that Brees & Bush aren't going anywhere as long they are both healthy & productive.

Mr teX
09-07-2007, 10:53 AM
I was kind of wondering the same thing. That last INT in the 4th quarter was woefully short. Patten was actually pretty clearly open on the way to the end zone, but Brees underthrew him by 10+ yards. The only thing I can think is that Patten was supposed to hook or something, but it didn't necessarily look that way.

The Saints did nothing to challenge the Colts' defense. That really is what it boils down to, for me. They threw a bunch of 5 yard passes and screens, and handed off to Bush instead of Deuce entirely too much.

Peyton Manning continues to stare down his receivers and completely get away with it, too. I'm convinced that all the talk about QB staring down their receivers is complete bunk, because Manning has always done it, and he wins.

Jason David should have won Horse Trailer Player of the Game. He accounted for at least three TDs last night ;)


You can do that when you know what you're doing back there &......................... You've got a laser rocket arm....

hollywood_texan
09-07-2007, 10:54 AM
While watching Reggie Bush last night, I realized that his success is dependent on other people's success.

If there isn't a strong inside running game and a very good QB making great throws, Reggie isn't going to do squat.

Reggie Bush doesn't create anything for a football team when tough gets going and no one else is producing. It showed last night.

Mr teX
09-07-2007, 11:01 AM
While watching Reggie Bush last night, I realized that his success is dependent on other people's success.

If there isn't a strong inside running game and a very good QB making great throws, Reggie isn't going to do squat.

Reggie Bush doesn't create anything for a football team when tough gets going and no one else is producing. It showed last night.

The thing is, he'd be OK if he were just a tad bit more patient & let blocks set up for him. i saw it alot last night were he was running up on his blocks before they were actually set.

He's still apparently not grasping the fact that he's not going to be able to reverse field on everything & he's not going to be able to out-run everyone like he did in high school/college.

gg no re
09-07-2007, 11:11 AM
No doubt, he does most of his work prior to the snap. Once the ball is snapped, though, his eyes never leave who he is planning on throwing to, on most of the plays.If you played that last Madden game with the QB vision, Manning's vision cone is the whole field.

:shades:

Second Honeymoon
09-07-2007, 11:20 AM
This is the funniest thing I've read this morning...well...myabe it's not as funny as this:

12 rushes for 39 yrds with a long of 9

yeah and did you seem him on that 9 yard run. he slid like a freakin QB in order to not get hit. the guy is S-O-F-T. He had one yard to get a first down yet laid down like a little girl 1 yard short. It was pretty damn pathetic if you ask me.

I did like one thing about Reggie cause i don't want to totally hate on him, and that is that he knew that his play wasn't getting the job done and that he had screwed up on some plays. he wasnt blaming others or pointing fingers, he knew that his effort and play were woefully short of adequate much less 'star' material.

reggie could turn into a pretty good back but he needs to grow a pair and not run like he is afraid of getting hit.

Second Honeymoon
09-07-2007, 11:22 AM
The thing is, he'd be OK if he were just a tad bit more patient & let blocks set up for him. i saw it alot last night were he was running up on his blocks before they were actually set.

He's still apparently not grasping the fact that he's not going to be able to reverse field on everything & he's not going to be able to out-run everyone like he did in high school/college.


yup you see that white DE tackle him when he tried to get around the corner. it just shows how hard it is to get around that corner without someone sealing the outside pursuit. in college he could do it himself but he needs to rely more on his blockers and show more patience, like previous posters have mentioned.

GO TEXANS

swtbound07
09-07-2007, 11:23 AM
i've been saying for YEARS that reggie was terrible...last night was him in a nutshell. He is a dancer, and plays with fear. He overthinks and overcuts, and refuses to let the game come to him. He dropped a LOT of balls last night too....I feel sorry for Deuce...his job got taken away from him by a nobody for no reason.

TexansLucky13
09-07-2007, 11:29 AM
i've been saying for YEARS that reggie was terrible...last night was him in a nutshell. He is a dancer, and plays with fear. He overthinks and overcuts, and refuses to let the game come to him. He dropped a LOT of balls last night too....I feel sorry for Deuce...his job got taken away from him by a nobody for no reason.

Precisely. Not to mention the millions of dollars that the Saints are dishing out to have a decoy on the field.

He looked lost last night.

thunderkyss
09-07-2007, 11:34 AM
No doubt, he does most of his work prior to the snap. Once the ball is snapped, though, his eyes never leave who he is planning on throwing to, on most of the plays.

That's crazy talk.


I personally think it only looks like Peyton is staring at his reciever, when he is actually looking at the defense. Most of the Colts plays will challenge a safety, or a linebacker. Depending on what that safety does, or what that linebacker does, will determine where Peyton is going to throw the ball, like that one ball he threw to Marvin, that was to his back shoulder. Peyton wasn't watching Marvin, he was watching McKenzie(who was covering Marvin). Madden explained it pretty well. If McKenzie had allowed Marvin to get side by side with him, Peyton would have thrown it over the top, because McKenzie can't hang with Harrison. But McKenzie was ahead of (and inside) of Marvin, Peyton threw the ball to Harrison's outside shoulder. Marvin didn't look for the ball, so there was no completion. Had he been on the same page, that would have been a first and goal on the one, if not a touchdown.

I don't think Peyton is looking at his reciever, he knows where each and every one of them is supposed to be, and when. He's watching the defense.

Bad QBs watch the reciever, and are oblivious to what the defense is doing. I shouldn't have to give you any examples of that, five years should be enough.

thunderkyss
09-07-2007, 11:37 AM
One more thing, did anyone watch Freeney last night?? He was wearing Jamal Brown down big time. I'm surprised Brown never got called for the hold, but he was holding him on almost every play. I wasn't surprised with the False start on Jamal though, he needed to find some way to get an advantage.

Something must have been wrong with Freeney last year, because he didn't play like that last year. I hope Salaam is up for the Challenge.

Exithios
09-07-2007, 11:52 AM
One more thing, did anyone watch Freeney last night?? He was wearing Jamal Brown down big time. I'm surprised Brown never got called for the hold, but he was holding him on almost every play. I wasn't surprised with the False start on Jamal though, he needed to find some way to get an advantage.

Something must have been wrong with Freeney last year, because he didn't play like that last year. I hope Salaam is up for the Challenge.

By the time we see the Colts in week 3, there will be enough game film on Freeney to plan around him. He is really the only rushing threat the Colts have and I see us counter-acting him with alot of double teams and double tight-end set's if we see him as that big of a threat, possibly even some strong side roll-outs. This assessment is based off of my opinion that Salaam will not be able to handle the edge rush, especially with a speedier edge rusher like Freeney.

My $0.02

eriadoc
09-07-2007, 11:56 AM
That's crazy talk.


I personally think it only looks like Peyton is staring at his reciever, when he is actually looking at the defense. Most of the Colts plays will challenge a safety, or a linebacker. Depending on what that safety does, or what that linebacker does, will determine where Peyton is going to throw the ball, like that one ball he threw to Marvin, that was to his back shoulder. Peyton wasn't watching Marvin, he was watching McKenzie(who was covering Marvin). Madden explained it pretty well. If McKenzie had allowed Marvin to get side by side with him, Peyton would have thrown it over the top, because McKenzie can't hang with Harrison. But McKenzie was ahead of (and inside) of Marvin, Peyton threw the ball to Harrison's outside shoulder. Marvin didn't look for the ball, so there was no completion. Had he been on the same page, that would have been a first and goal on the one, if not a touchdown.

I don't think Peyton is looking at his reciever, he knows where each and every one of them is supposed to be, and when. He's watching the defense.

Bad QBs watch the reciever, and are oblivious to what the defense is doing. I shouldn't have to give you any examples of that, five years should be enough.

OK. So he only watches the defense in the vicinity of the receiver that he plans on throwing to. Tomato, tomahto. If he really does have the full-field Madden vision cone, I'm even more impressed. His head looks right to the receiver after the snap and that's where he throws it. He's done it for a long, long time. Maybe it's the pre-snap adjustments (probably), but whatever it is, it's easy to watch, and easy to predict where he'll throw it, once the ball is snapped. Of course, the defense doesn't have the luxury of watching like we do, and those pre-snap adjustments are a PITA. Whatever he's doing, I'm not knocking it; it works. Just sayin' ....

real
09-07-2007, 12:06 PM
Don't know what you guys were watching, but I saw him swivel his head plenty.

On the second TD to Wayne I vividly remember him looking right, to hold the safeties and then coming back left and almost instantly letting the ball go as if he just knew Reggie was going to beat his man.

On the long Marvin Harrison completion down the right side he just recognized 1 on 1 coverage, knew there might be a defender coming free from his backside, and let 'er rip...

I think I even remeber Madden talking about how Peyton swivels his head.

Noblesse Oblige
09-07-2007, 12:17 PM
OK. So he only watches the defense in the vicinity of the receiver that he plans on throwing to. Tomato, tomahto. If he really does have the full-field Madden vision cone, I'm even more impressed. His head looks right to the receiver after the snap and that's where he throws it. He's done it for a long, long time. Maybe it's the pre-snap adjustments (probably), but whatever it is, it's easy to watch, and easy to predict where he'll throw it, once the ball is snapped. Of course, the defense doesn't have the luxury of watching like we do, and those pre-snap adjustments are a PITA. Whatever he's doing, I'm not knocking it; it works. Just sayin' ....

But if he's watching the defense, and doesn't like what he sees, he won't throw the ball there. He'll scan elsewhere to read the defense to find a weakness to exploit. The defenders might see what he is doing but if he made the correct read they wouldn't be able to stop the play until it's too late.

hollywood_texan
09-07-2007, 12:22 PM
The thing is, he'd be OK if he were just a tad bit more patient & let blocks set up for him. i saw it alot last night were he was running up on his blocks before they were actually set.

He's still apparently not grasping the fact that he's not going to be able to reverse field on everything & he's not going to be able to out-run everyone like he did in high school/college.

Reggie Bush still has plenty of football to play.

But if he is going to live up to all the hype, he is going to have to really get in the gym and work out hard to become an LT type of back.

If he does that over the next couple years, he could become a complete feature back.

However, he seems more interested in making commercials than improving his game.

Hervoyel
09-07-2007, 12:40 PM
So much for the decline of the Colts....reason 23254 why you don't listen to the rival homers in the preseason.

I'm still not convinced that they are going to have another perfect year. I think (and thought) that the Saints were not completely for real anyway so this doesn't prove much to me. I still expect the Colts to hit the skids sometime this year.

DocBar
09-07-2007, 01:49 PM
Reggie Bush still has plenty of football to play.

But if he is going to live up to all the hype, he is going to have to really get in the gym and work out hard to become an LT type of back.

If he does that over the next couple years, he could become a complete feature back.

However, he seems more interested in making commercials than improving his game.
If RB is going to live up to the hype, he needs a heart transplant. The dude just doesn't have what it takes to be a full time feature back in the NFL. It's hard to scout desire to play the game.

kastofsna
09-07-2007, 02:14 PM
i think he has plenty of heart and desire. he just doesn't have the correct talent. he's got plenty of speed and agility, but he doesn't use any of it to his advantage. someone that fast and agile should be the most dangerous player on the field in punt return situations, but he's not at ALL. he's doing something wrong.

Mr teX
09-07-2007, 02:29 PM
i think he has plenty of heart and desire. he just doesn't have the correct talent. he's got plenty of speed and agility, but he doesn't use any of it to his advantage. someone that fast and agile should be the most dangerous player on the field in punt return situations, but he's not at ALL. he's doing something wrong.

He's rushing the development of the play. Perfect example is on the swing pass Keaiho busted up. Had he not been so close to his blocker (who hadn't even engaged keaiho yet) keaiho wouldn't have been able to get a hand on him to hold him until bob sanders & company got there.

HJam72
09-07-2007, 03:09 PM
I don't think DC ever looked at his receivers, either. I mean, he couldn't hit them if they were more than 8 yards downfield; so, I figure all this talk about stairing them down is bologne. :) He never even looked, lol.

bah007
09-07-2007, 05:36 PM
i think he has plenty of heart and desire. he just doesn't have the correct talent. he's got plenty of speed and agility, but he doesn't use any of it to his advantage. someone that fast and agile should be the most dangerous player on the field in punt return situations, but he's not at ALL. he's doing something wrong.

I agree with this here.

Bush is certainly capable of making the big play every time he gets the ball in his hands, he just doesn't. I think it must be just a lack of awareness. He plays like he has no idea what is going on around him. I also think that he is soft. He obviously tries to avoid contact at every opportunity, which is not advisable for a running back trying to be successful in the NFL.