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DiehardChris
09-03-2007, 01:21 AM
AND YES I'M USING CAPS BECAUSE I'M *******ING PISSED OFF!!!!!!!!!

www.keyetv.com/programming

So much for Keye promising Texan fans to "start 2007 with the Texans and see how it goes".

So much for KEYE promising Texan fans a "balance between the Titans and Texans games."

TexanSam
09-03-2007, 01:25 AM
If Vince Young gets hurt and is out for the season, what will they do?

DiehardChris
09-03-2007, 01:29 AM
I would never wish that on anyone - especially not someone I like - Vince Young - but that's kind of what I'm going to have to start doing I guess.

At this point it wouldn't surprise me if KEYE televised people eating live kittens. SO SO ANGRY!!!!!

JohnsonFan
09-03-2007, 01:37 AM
can someone exlpain this whole keye to me please, thanks, and what does it matter what VY does?

DiehardChris
09-03-2007, 01:46 AM
There are tons of threads about it in this section of the boards.

Short version - Austinites are hung up on Vince Young and can't get over that he isn't here anymore, so they insist that KEYE televises Tennessee Titans games instead of Houston Texans games.... even though they promised to 1 - start the season showing Texans games and 2 - 'balance' the schedule between Texans and Titans games.

...and Austinite Texan fans are pissed.

aj.
09-03-2007, 01:56 AM
If Vince Young gets hurt and is out for the season, what will they do?

I've heard that the plan is to hook up a Vince cam on a remotely piloted vehicle. The RPV will follow him around and broadcast his every move on the internet 24/7. It will be simulcast on KEYE from 12-3 every other Sunday so that Longhorn fans will have something to watch as they recover from their hangovers. On alternate Sundays, KEYE will show 2006 Rose Bowl replays in that time slot until Vince recovers from the injury.

Hook'er
09-03-2007, 07:48 AM
That SUCKS!...........I'm in the Austin Area too (Leander) and ended up having to purchase the NFL Sunday Ticket. I started this last season, it looks like I will have to continue till VY retires! The way K-eye is, the Texans could be headed for the playoffs and they would still be airing Tacks games.

nunusguy
09-03-2007, 07:55 AM
Of course its strictly a business decision, so who can blame the TV station over there for making the bottom-line the top priority ? I don't think we're talking about a public-TV station here are we ?
If you've seen the ratings data you know the audiences at the lower range of Titans telecasts in Austin last year pretty much exceeded any of the Texans games that were telecast in that market in 2006.
I dunno if this is more of a statement of VYs enduring popularity in Austin or
just the total apathy they apparently have for the Texans ?

Hookem Horns
09-03-2007, 08:15 AM
Of course its strictly a business decision, so who can blame the TV station over there for making the bottom-line the top priority ? I don't think we're talking about a public-TV station here are we ?
If you've seen the ratings data you know the audiences at the lower range of Titans telecasts in Austin last year pretty much exceeded any of the Texans games that were telecast in that market in 2006.
I dunno if this is more of a statement of VYs enduring popularity in Austin or
just the total apathy they apparently have for the Texans ?

Honestly, while I am peeved also, this is just as much the fault of the Texans than anyone else. They stuck with Carr too long and made themselves look like morons during the 2006 draft (of course the jury is still out on that one). As big of a Texans fan as I am even I had a hard time watching them last year. Watching Carr was like listening to someone run their fingers down a chalk board and I couldn't take it anymore. Of course this is all last year and that is what KEYE is going on. The real shame is the Texans have gotten rid of Carr and are finally starting to look like a real team. Many of us fans that held on finally have something to be excited about and now they have pulled the plug.

As someone mentioned this is about business and when the Texans become better business than the Titans this problem will remedy itself. We can all pull for the sophmore and Madden jinxes to kick in and the Texans to take care of business. In the meantime it's not a bad idea to have NFL Sunday Ticket or plan on hitting a good sports bar every weekend. I saw this coming and traded my season tickets for the NFL Sunday Ticket this offseason which now looks like a smart decision considering I could only drive down to Houston a few times a season coupled with all of this.

Yankee_In_TX
09-03-2007, 08:19 AM
I just wish we lived in our own little ideal world...

KEYE: "KEYE, can I help you?"

"Yes, this is Mr. McNair. We just wanted to let you know, we're pulling your Texan coverage rights forever. We'll be broadcasting the Houston coverage of the game on channel 500. We're also pulling all sponsoships. I hope you live to regret your decisions when the Texans win and people forget who Vince Young is."

I mean, I could understand if they were showing the Cowboys, but the fact they're showing the Titans is a joke in my book.

BattleRedToro
09-03-2007, 08:29 AM
Honestly, while I am peeved also, this is just as much the fault of the Texans than anyone else. They stuck with Carr too long and made themselves look like morons during the 2006 draft (of course the jury is still out on that one). As big of a Texans fan as I am even I had a hard time watching them last year. Watching Carr was like listening to someone run their fingers down a chalk board and I couldn't take it anymore. Of course this is all last year and that is what KEYE is going on. The real shame is the Texans have gotten rid of Carr and are finally starting to look like a real team. Many of us fans that held on finally have something to be excited about and now they have pulled the plug.

As someone mentioned this is about business and when the Texans become better business than the Titans this problem will remedy itself. We can all pull for the sophmore and Madden jinxes to kick in and the Texans to take care of business. In the meantime it's not a bad idea to have NFL Sunday Ticket or plan on hitting a good sports bar every weekend. I saw this coming and traded my season tickets for the NFL Sunday Ticket this offseason which now looks like a smart decision considering I could only drive down to Houston a few times a season coupled with all of this.

I wish Vince Young wasn't on the Madden cover this year. I don't want to hear that lame excuse used to rationalize his poor performance this year. If he sucks it up this year, then I want people to except the fact that he, his coaches, and his teammates are responsible for their poor performance not some purported curse. If Mario has a breakout year as well, I want all of those people that :crying:, to man up and admit they were wrong for demeaning the Texans over their draft.

rollinstone18
09-03-2007, 10:15 AM
god damnit I hate keye.

Hardcore Texan
09-03-2007, 10:33 AM
AND YES I'M USING CAPS BECAUSE I'M *******ING PISSED OFF!!!!!!!!!

www.keyetv.com/programming

So much for Keye promising Texan fans to "start 2007 with the Texans and see how it goes".

So much for KEYE promising Texan fans a "balance between the Titans and Texans games."

This sucks, but I guess I am getting used to it. I will shell out whatever I have to to watch my team. So what if the Titans get blown out and the Texans win week one.....will they not change their mind? :gun:

rockabilly
09-03-2007, 11:38 AM
This sucks, but I guess I am getting used to it. I will shell out whatever I have to to watch my team. So what if the Titans get blown out and the Texans win week one.....will they not change their mind? :gun:

They cant'. They must decide the game they will show 12 days in advance, and stick with it.

hollywood_texan
09-04-2007, 12:39 PM
I just wish we lived in our own little ideal world...

KEYE: "KEYE, can I help you?"

"Yes, this is Mr. McNair. We just wanted to let you know, we're pulling your Texan coverage rights forever. We'll be broadcasting the Houston coverage of the game on channel 500. We're also pulling all sponsoships. I hope you live to regret your decisions when the Texans win and people forget who Vince Young is."

I mean, I could understand if they were showing the Cowboys, but the fact they're showing the Titans is a joke in my book.

I believe your hypothetical phone conversation is not possible.

It appears this situation is directly out of the hands of the Texans organization and the station.

An NFL team cannot dictate coverage outside a certain area (designated as their home) and a local TV station is probably told what to air when they don't have a home team to cover.

Lower ratings mean less money. I work in the TV syndication business, I see the Nielsen ratings, I process advertiser rebates, and I hear all the talk about ratings and the issues.

Now, I am not an expert on the TV business and I don't know the specifics of the contract between the NFL and National networks.

Having said that though, I can't imagine them running a show that will make them less money. Which is what you guys are suggesting!

The Networks get paid off the Nielsen ratings. Complain all you want about the ratings, how they are done, but that is the agreed upon method for advertisers to pay for TV spots. Spots in my business are paid in advance and settled many months later.

If you have lower ratings, you have to either pay them money back or do make good contracts. Which means you have accountants and Nielsen ratings analyst people making decisions that have no idea of the local issues regarding a broadcast. Their job is to make money!

So, if there are lower ratings, that means less money, which means less money for the NFL, which means less money for the players the way the CBA works with revenue sharing.

As you can see, it's less money for Texans players and the organization if the ratings aren't that good in Austin and there is a better alternative.

If the ratings are there, the Texans will be shown in Austin. It's really that simple!

To help the situation, the Texans should:

A. Market the Texans in Austin (which does not include having Toro and few cheerleader hanging out at some kid's birthday party, I am taking about spending some real money with a real ad campaign)

B. Win meaningful football games and push for the playoffs

I really think you guys complaining to the station is pointless. They are a business and I suspect the coverage is dictated to them anyway from a National level.

brakos82
09-04-2007, 02:13 PM
:shades: And I don't even live there... \/

Double Barrel
09-04-2007, 02:16 PM
I'd make a business decision and go with the NFL Ticket on DirecTV.

Just sucks because it's probably pretty pricey.

Yankee_In_TX
09-04-2007, 02:17 PM
If Vince Young gets hurt and is out for the season, what will they do?

3 hours of Sanford and Sons?

Yankee_In_TX
09-04-2007, 02:19 PM
I just wish we lived in our own little ideal world...

KEYE: "KEYE, can I help you?"

"Yes, this is Mr. McNair. We just wanted to let you know, we're pulling your Texan coverage rights forever. We'll be broadcasting the Houston coverage of the game on channel 500. We're also pulling all sponsoships. I hope you live to regret your decisions when the Texans win and people forget who Vince Young is."

I mean, I could understand if they were showing the Cowboys, but the fact they're showing the Titans is a joke in my book.


(psst, Hollywood, see the bold)

HuttoKarl
09-04-2007, 02:20 PM
3 hours of Sanford and Sons?


A special Encore Presentation of "Radio" starring Vince Young.

Texan_Bill
09-04-2007, 02:22 PM
http://www.celebritywonder.com/mp/2003_Radio/2003_radio_001.jpg

hollywood_texan
09-04-2007, 02:26 PM
(psst, Hollywood, see the bold)

You didn't explain what your ideal world meant.

I took at as McNair having the cajones and sticking up for the Texans fans living in Austin.

I get it, you meant it more in a general perspective.

Fair enough. I saw what I wanted to see.

But, an important component to this situation is that the Texans organization doesn't really care about Austin as a market for Texan fans. I won't go into here again, I posted my reasoning and facts previously.

DiehardChris
09-04-2007, 03:13 PM
Last year, KEYE did actually show Texans games AFTER they already knew the ratings were better for Titans games. Two times, if memory serves, and from what the program director says, it is actually up to the station to air what they want.

But anyway - if the Texans start to win, this will all be moot, because all the crying, whiny VY worshippers in this town will start begging to get on the bandwagon. (I love VY but the Texans come first).

I just think KEYE is making a mistake in assuming that an opening ROAD game by the Titans would be a huge ratings victory over a HOME opener in Houston, when the fans know that the Texans have made so many significant improvements to the team. I think it's a game that could take some wagon jumpers, and 'on the bubble' fans - and put them on the side of the Texans... because there's a decent chance the Texans will win.

Instead - we're going to miss the first two games - and the first game that WILL be televised in Austin is against.... The Colts! A game we'll most likely lose. So then stupid VY ball-kissing worshippers will say 'same old Texans'.

So I think we're being set up to fail with the way KEYE is handling the situation. (Not in a conspiratorial way, but just the way it's working out.)

Specnatz
09-04-2007, 03:31 PM
Last year, KEYE did actually show Texans games AFTER they already knew the ratings were better for Titans games. Two times, if memory serves, and from what the program director says, it is actually up to the station to air what they want.

But anyway - if the Texans start to win, this will all be moot, because all the crying, whiny VY worshippers in this town will start begging to get on the bandwagon. (I love VY but the Texans come first).

I just think KEYE is making a mistake in assuming that an opening ROAD game by the Titans would be a huge ratings victory over a HOME opener in Houston, when the fans know that the Texans have made so many significant improvements to the team. I think it's a game that could take some wagon jumpers, and 'on the bubble' fans - and put them on the side of the Texans... because there's a decent chance the Texans will win.

Instead - we're going to miss the first two games - and the first game that WILL be televised in Austin is against.... The Colts! A game we'll most likely lose. So then stupid VY ball-kissing worshippers will say 'same old Texans'.

So I think we're being set up to fail with the way KEYE is handling the situation. (Not in a conspiratorial way, but just the way it's working out.)

I will say it is very much a conspiracy. If and when I ever get my hands on the ratings for all games televised in Austin for KEYE and for KTPC (fox) for the 2006 season I will be able to prove it. Call me crazy or what ever you want but I believe that Gary Vinson has an agenda with regards to the games being shown.

axman40
09-04-2007, 05:10 PM
The good news is The Titans have a Mon night game week 3 and a bye in week 4, so we will see what kind of CRAP keye pulls those weeks.
Is 2 Titans game and 2 Texans game fair will these 4 games determine which way the winds blow ?
Stay tune for another episode of As The Vince Turns!

TEXANS84
09-04-2007, 05:38 PM
http://sportswrap.berecruited.com/2007/09/04/austin-texas-cbs-affiliate-to-play-titans-game-over-the-texans/

Texan_Bill
09-04-2007, 05:46 PM
Some of you Austinites that have expressed anger, should reply to the column posted by TEXANS84... Because at the end it said viewers have spoken - but I haven't seen y'alls words...

Joe Texan
09-04-2007, 05:52 PM
I say we need to get the Texans to pull the eye out of KEYE. Do not let them show or profit from the Texans in any way.

Texan_Bill
09-04-2007, 06:02 PM
I just posted this on the article:

First, if Mr. Vinson of KEYE were honest about what the fans have stated, he would admit that he has been besieged with emails from rabid Texans fans in the Austin area voicing their outrage. Of course Mr. Vinson won’t admit that, citing ridiculous ratings results. Pretty pathetic!!! An embarrassment to Texans everywhere.

Texan_Bill
09-04-2007, 06:05 PM
Keep it simple. Bump threads. Act NICE like SA did. Invite these guys out to parties. I said this at least 10 days ago to use honey to attract the flies. Your method hasn't worked yet. Perhaps a lane change is in order.

Sugar may work in SA, but when you are talking about "his highnesses" back yard, piss and vinegar has to work...


*EDIT... I do agree about the numerous threads, though**

Texan_Bill
09-06-2007, 04:06 PM
Just posted this (to stir the pot):
Some of y’alls weak arguments for Vince have convinced me to become Giants fan… What? With Michael Strahan graduating from my High School and all.. Wait maybe I should become a Colts fan, Joseph Adai graduated from a high school in the same district…

Please… Take Vince’s jock strap off and quit wearing it as an eye patch and support an in state team. Not the team owned by that scum-bag Bud Adams, because of one player.



Link again: Sportswrap (http://sportswrap.berecruited.com/2007/09/04/austin-texas-cbs-affiliate-to-play-titans-game-over-the-texans/)

Yankee_In_TX
09-06-2007, 04:15 PM
So how many of you Austin VY fans will be watching the Titans when VY is gone? Answer - none. Eventually you're going to turn off the NFL or come crawling back. And frankly, we don't want you back. Because either way, you're not a Texans' fan. And we'll be happy to roll the bandwaggon in front of a train when the Texans start winning.

My $.02

Yankee_In_TX
09-06-2007, 04:16 PM
You didn't explain what your ideal world meant.

I took at as McNair having the cajones and sticking up for the Texans fans living in Austin.

I get it, you meant it more in a general perspective.

Fair enough. I saw what I wanted to see.

But, an important component to this situation is that the Texans organization doesn't really care about Austin as a market for Texan fans. I won't go into here again, I posted my reasoning and facts previously.

And, (in reality) a permanent ban in Austin would hurt the Texans' fan base. Because eventually children will have been raised watching/going to Texans games, and we'll be a winning franchise. You can only gain fans by expanding your audience.

Specnatz
09-06-2007, 04:41 PM
Which is the reason I call this the Department of Redundancy Department. How many threads need there be to say that KEYE is hosing Austin? We've known this for 2 years...maybe more.

Keep it simple. Bump threads. Act NICE like SA did. Invite these guys out to parties. I said this at least 10 days ago to use honey to attract the flies. Your method hasn't worked yet. Perhaps a lane change is in order.

I tried that last year and what it got was gary Vinson promising to start the season with the Texans only to go back on his word, so I guess being nice means nothing to him. now last year SA got mostly Colts games, if I remember correctly and since they are playing on thursday they can't be seen on sunday so I do not see that being nice has had anything to do with it.

What parties did the program director in SA attend or get invited to? Please tell me all the things that were done in SA that the PD went to. What Texan watch parties or rallys or draft gathering were done and attended by those at your CBS affiliate?

ATXtexanfan
09-06-2007, 05:00 PM
i live in leander and was pissed when they switched to titans coverage last year. same feeling when i saw the titans were set to air this weekend. vy is god to all these half ass longhorn fans in austin. i saw the writing on the wall last year and bought 2 season tickets to this season. me and whoever is willing to drive. didn't take long to find people willing to drive, however everyone wanted to go the titan game. me and a jets fan are going to that one. the same jets fan who has the nfl ticket and two tv's in his living room. i'll see my texans every week but feel bad for those who can't. all i can say is find a bar or switch to the dish. i don't think we'll win this battle here in austin unless the titans suck ( i think they will this year) and the texans get into the playoff hunt. don't forget to wear white.

axman40
09-06-2007, 05:42 PM
There is a powerful and evil force at Keye 42 and his name is Gary Vinson!
:texflag:

shinerbock_girl
09-06-2007, 05:51 PM
I tried that last year and what it got was gary Vinson promising to start the season with the Texans only to go back on his word, so I guess being nice means nothing to him. now last year SA got mostly Colts games, if I remember correctly and since they are playing on thursday they can't be seen on sunday so I do not see that being nice has had anything to do with it.

What parties did the program director in SA attend or get invited to? Please tell me all the things that were done in SA that the PD went to. What Texan watch parties or rallys or draft gathering were done and attended by those at your CBS affiliate?

I seem to remember ALOT of us mad as hell when the Texans weren't being televised, me included, and you Elle...I remember we sent quite a few angry emails to the media expressing exactly what we thought of them, and there were a few SA threads about it...I feel for you Austin ppl and i would be angry also...In fact, i'm ready to start sending out more of those emails i sent last year....And being nice NEVER helped us, nothing was resolved, and the games still were not shown....It will be the same this year, unless the Texans start winning, that may be the only change...Good luck to you guys....

Joe Texan
09-06-2007, 06:22 PM
I feel for you guys. Dress up in Teetons rip away clothing (underneeth wear texans gear) and go out in the public where they have a reporter and act all crazy for the Teetons till they want to interview you, rip off the trash and expose the real you. that will get them going.

Specnatz
09-07-2007, 03:35 AM
I have never used bad language, I have always used a tone that was forceful but not to where they would not listen. OK, except for the fact I did email Gary the article that Richard Justice wrote and told him to enjoy the press coverage. In fact I have put most of my letters on here so people know my tone and have also asked others if they thought the tone was ok. But most of the time I get the same canned response from Gary and KEYE and the facts he gives out is full of holes that as an individual you can not dispute because you are not privillaged to have all the info.

Joe Texan
09-07-2007, 07:38 AM
Call the other stations and give them your story, I bet they would do anything to put a dent in the ratings of KEYE

fredaustex
09-07-2007, 08:47 AM
The Texans coverage in Austin is generally pathetic. Check out this article from Sept 4. It says this is the Texans 7th season and, apparently, Jason Babin is still on the team...

http://www.statesman.com/sports/content/sports/stories/archive/2007_nfl_preview/0905texans_main.html

TEXANSFAN1
09-07-2007, 09:35 AM
Looks like keye will be alternating every 2 games between Texans and Titans.

heres the article in the statesman

http://www.statesman.com/sports/content/sports/stories/other/09/07/0907Vince.html

:bat:

sept8-1910
09-07-2007, 09:42 AM
Gary A. Vinson makes me more and more angry every time I hear something from him. The liar is calling us liars now.

How about a pregame tailgate in front of the KEYE headquarters before we head over to Third Base for the game?

Specnatz
09-07-2007, 09:49 AM
Looks like keye will be alternating every 2 games between Texans and Titans.

heres the article in the statesman

http://www.statesman.com/sports/content/sports/stories/other/09/07/0907Vince.html

:bat:

More lies with Gary Vinson and the statesmen is buying hook line and sinker.

Tedc
09-07-2007, 09:56 AM
Why don't you guys call him out?

Tell the newspaper that the info the printed is not correct and you want a retraction. Give them the e-mails he has sent to you as evidence. Tell them you want him to apologize for calling Texans fans liars. The way he is talking, he sounds like a Cowgirl fan.

BTW, who writes for the Austin American Statesmen anyway? Better yet, who edits it? In one article they say it is the Texans 7th season and in this one the say the Titans passed on Young.

"Many fans became disgruntled when the Titans passed on a chance to take Young with the first pick of the 2006 NFL draft."

sept8-1910
09-07-2007, 10:00 AM
Tailgate at KEYE, 10:00 AM Sunday morning.

Specnatz
09-07-2007, 10:05 AM
Why don't you guys call him out?

Tell the newspaper that the info the printed is not correct and you want a retraction. Give them the e-mails he has sent to you as evidence. Tell them you want him to apologize for calling Texans fans liars. The way he is talking, he sounds like a Cowgirl fan.

BTW, who writes for the Austin American Statesmen anyway? Better yet, who edits it? In one article they say it is the Texans 7th season and in this one the say the Titans passed on Young.

"Many fans became disgruntled when the Titans passed on a chance to take Young with the first pick of the 2006 NFL draft."



I have done that and one better, I even mentioned how KEYE did false advertisement regarding Home for the Texans preseason games which had to be taken off their website because they lied and which also was a minor infraction of FCC rules. I also pointed out that in the Statesmen gary Vinso said he would start the season with the Texans and he lied about that. The statesmen bought what this snakeoil salesman was selling hook line and sinker.

So far all the blogs are saying is they are not showing the first two games so how is that making things up? Just because he does not like the heat he is getting and the national media attention he is getting while making Austin look like a joke is no reason for him to call the Texans fans liars because he is the one who lied.

Tailgating in front of KEYE on sunday morning is a good way to get arrested and will do nothing since he will not be there most likely.

sept8-1910
09-07-2007, 10:24 AM
Did anyone see that keye42sucks.com made the chronicle? Nice Job.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/5115076.html

You are probably right about getting arrested, I doubt they are showing the game at APD headquarters.

Texanator
09-07-2007, 10:26 AM
I'm not sure what good it will do, but here is a letter I just sent to K-EYE backers/financial supporters here in Austin.


Dear Sirs,
I am writing you this letter to let you know that I and many Houston Texans fans will be starting a boycott of your business's due to your support of K-EYE 42 , Austin's CBS affiliate station, and the fact that they will not support a local team and that they are using a feeble excuse, with no actual statistics to judge this upon.
If we are to support local business interests here in Austin, shouldn't these business interest also support other local interests?
Gary Vinson is using the excuse that Vince Young, being a U.T. ex, is a bigger draw than a whole team. By this reasoning, shouldn't they also play virtually every team that an ex U.T. player now plays for?
Until such time as you, the financial supporters, express this to K-EYE and demand they also support local interests, we will no longer be doing business with your companies.
Sincerely,
Kevin Rollins

Mean Machine
09-07-2007, 10:47 AM
If enough people pressure the keye advertisers, local companies, so whomever is on the news commercials at 6pm and 10pm, the message will get across LOUD and CLEAR. That is keye's revenue, advertising.
So call, email, fax these local companies, tell them you WILL NOT be doing business or using their services due to their advertising on keye and keye's decison to NOT show Texans games.
The sales accountants will soon be hearing from disgruntled advertisers and then and ONLY then will this vinson character pull the plug on this idiocy.

Again, I have bitten the bullet and gone to Direct TV, so mention that to TIme Warner too when you CANCEL with them.

hookinreds
09-07-2007, 11:01 AM
I just sent an email to the Statesman in response to their article and explained the errors of Mr. Vinson and his station, letting them know he is taking ownership of a circumstance that is beyond his control for weeks 3-5.

In a polite way I let them know it was the not the Titans that passed on VY.

DiehardChris
09-07-2007, 12:28 PM
Here's the letter I just sent to the Statesman writer:

Hello,

Thank you for the article on this subject, but it goes deeper than that.

There was no mention of the FACT that at the end of last season, KEYE promised - in the AAStatesman - that they would "Start the 2007 season with the Texans, and see how it goes from there." So that's a blatant lie from Gary Vinson. I would normally not stoop so low as to say that, but he specifically went out of his way to call us Texan fans in Austin liars in your article.

Another point - he's going to act like televising the Texans in weeks 3-5 is his way of 'balancing the schedule', which is a load of BS.

As you mention in week 3, the Titans play on Monday night. So, he's not choosing the Texans over the Titans there.

In week 4, the Titans are off. He's not choosing the Texans there.

In week 5, the Titans (an AFC team) play at HOME against Atlanta (an NFC team) - games where AFC teams host NFC teams are FOX games - not CBS games - so he's not choosing the Texans there either.

In short - by the end of week 5, KEYE will have chosen to air the Titans OVER the Texans 2 times, and they will have chosen to air the Texans OVER the Titans zero times. How is that balance?

Balance will be when KEYE makes a choice between the two teams when there is a broadcast conflict as there is in weeks 1 and 2. There is no broadcast conflict in weeks 3-5.

So "balance" would be if they showed the Texans and Titans one time each during the first two weeks.

I understand that the ratings are forcing KEYE's hand here - but if he truly wants the Texans to flourish - it would be much better to do what he said he was going to do - show the FIRST Texans game.

The first Texans game is at home. In front of a sold out crowd. The team has been totally made over. They showed signs of being a much better team in the off-season.

Instead, we get the Titans - on the road in Jacksonville? SNORE!!! You want to alternate games, KEYE? Fine. But start with the Texans at home - with a newly revamped team - against a team they will likely beat. THAT is the kind of game that will get fans excited, and perhaps get some Austinite wagon-jumpers and fence-sitters to join the side of the Texans.

Instead - we get the Titans the first two weeks - and the Texans in week three against - the defending champion Colts. A game that will be very difficult for the Texans to win, and if they do lose, casual Austin fans will say 'same ol' Texans', and go back to their creepy Vince Young shrine in their basements.

So please, PLEASE print this article and/or ones like it.

Thanks for your attention,

Chris

Texan_Bill
09-07-2007, 01:46 PM
Did anyone see that keye42sucks.com made the chronicle? Nice Job.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/5115076.html

You are probably right about getting arrested, I doubt they are showing the game at APD headquarters.

Just posted this:
Great... People would rather idolize one player than show support for a professional in-state team. This makes no sense to me since, that one player plays for that scum-bag that ripped a team out of Texas to begin with. Over the years, there have been many, many, many great players come from Texas and Texas schools and played elsewhere professionally. I didn't suddenly become loyal to whichever team they played for or went to(although I wished them the best)... When Dat Nguyen was drafted by the Cowboys, I didn't become a Cowboy fan.

As far as the Texans not drafting VY, it WAS the right choice. He does not fit the WCO. Period. Get over it. Bush??? Anyone catch that Colts game last night??

What does it say to you when Tenessee's head coach AND offensive coordinator did not want to draft VY but Bud Adams forced them to draft him anyway... For no other reason than to take another jab at the city that made that toupee wearing used car salesman - rich. Well congratulations VY worshippers. You bought Bud's garbage hook line and sinker... You should be ashamed of yourselves as Texans...

Specnatz
09-07-2007, 01:58 PM
It is funny the cowboy fan who had to put their cent worth into it. All I have to say is they root for a OU boy who used to make the girls his biatch.

Great post Bill, a lot better than my incoherant rant.

Note to self do not post while extremely ticked off.


:specnatz:

Rasputin
09-07-2007, 08:53 PM
FYI....Just had this email exchange with G. Vinson. Some new comments not in the earlier form letter


Date: Fri Sep 7 21:22:17 2007
From: sacrat1@excite.com <sacrat1@excite.com>
[ Add to Address Book | Block Address | Report as Spam ]
To: <gavinson@keyetv.com>
Cc: <arsmith@keyetv.com>
Subject: RE: Tennessee football advertisers


Mr Vinson,

I know that you understand that when KEYE started with the Texans, they were an expansion team and were not expected to be a consistent winner for years.

A little history lesson for you : check out the 1st five years of this expansion team a few years back THE DALLAS COWBOYS

http://www.geocities.com/~jrbeasley/dallas/start.html

1st year: 0-11-1
2nd year: 4-9-1
3rd year: 5-8-1
4th year: 4-10
5th year: 5-8-1

If you had been Program Director back then, you'd have called out the Cowboys as losers and switched to whatever team had your favorite player. Bailing out right when they were ready to be winners for years to come.

You're making that mistake now.

If you can't acknowledge that the Texans are ready to turn the same kind of corner, you're just not knowledgeable or it just doesn't fit your plan.

You have no sense of sports history....you obviously don't know what its like to be the fan of a TEAM...you're just siding with your other celebrity obsessed casual fans over REAL football fans who have been loyal to the Texans AND KEYE through the lean times.

You mentioned how poorly you thought the Texans were being run, but you didn't mention how well you thought the Titans were being managed (other than drafting your celebrity player, over the objection of both the coach and offensive coordinator). It's pretty much consensus that they had one of the worst offseasons of any franchise. I guess you don't care about that....doesn't fit your plan.

As for your numbers, you continue to throw them out without context, You compare Texan games that were going head-to-head with a Cowboys telecast with Titan games that had no Cowboy competition. Of course more football fans would tune in if there were no Cowboys game on. You're not comparing apples to apples, but you, of course never mention this. In addition, there was a fascination of Vince starting his pro career and the Titans got on a roll. He was a shiny new toy that everyone wanted to check out. The newness is gone. You act as if one season is exactly the same as the last. That's either naive or disingenuous.

And you still have not acknowledged the earlier statement made in the American Statesman "We'll start with the Texans and see where things go". I can see why you avoid it, because it turned out to be untrue (Lie). I see the Titans won't be competing against a Cowboy game in week one on KEYE....hmmmmm...could this have anything to do with the change of heart??

Bottom line is you have Texan fans hostage. You run programmingn on our CBS affiliate. We could spend the money and go through the inconvenience of ordering DirectTV Sunday Ticket, but Vince could blow out his knee or a million other things could happen when basing this stuff on one player, and you maybe start showing Texan games again and thats $300 blown money.

Anywhere else in the country, DirectTV Sunday Ticket is meant for fans of teams/players who ARE NOT PLAYING FOR THE LOCAL TEAM. Like Tennessee.

You are turning everything on its head backwards of the way it should be. Congratulations for sticking it to the fans who've stuck with KEYE and the Texans through the rough times.



--- On Fri 09/07, Vinson, Gary A < gavinson@keyetv.com > wrote:


From: Vinson, Gary A [mailto: gavinson@keyetv.com]
To: sacrat1@excite.com
Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 16:44:26 -0400
Subject: RE: Tennessee football advertisers


Sacrat1, thanks for writing to KEYE.

First and foremost, its the local football fans in Austin who choose what games are aired on KEYE. We monitor the level of sports viewing every Sunday on KEYE and plan our schedules accordingly. Perhaps a little background on the Texans and KEYE would be helpful.

In the Texans first season we aired 4 preseason and 14 regular season games by the Texans. That was every game available to us. In their second season we aired 4 preseason and 14 regular season as well. In the third season there were only 3 preseason games available, and we followed that with 14 regular season games. In their fourth season, we aired 4 preseason games, but only had access to 10 regular season games (and aired all of them). The other games were available on other networks.

In the fifth season, we aired the only 2 preseason games available to us, and in mid-season began to show some of the Titans games as well as the Texans. In the end, we aired 9 Texans games and 9 Titans games. Also during those five years we aired their pre-game specials, covered their training camps, and reported on them in KEYE Sports. It would be difficult to make the case that KEYE didn't give it up for the Texans, in fact, it would only be possible to make that case if you just simply ignored the facts..

The last All-Texans-All-The-Time game we showed was in Oct of last year, and in that game just 15,000 households tuned in (in a city of 602,340 households). The very next week we aired a Titans game and 54,0000 households tuned in. (A 260% increase in the number of fan's households that tuned in of their own free will) There were several games when 70,000+ fans tuned in. These results repeated throughout the remainder of the year.

I know for a fact that the Houston Texans franchise is very aware of this and are not too happy that a local college football hero playing for a team in another state attracts more viewers than their own team which is just 150 miles up the road. This result is after almost five years of KEYE airing every single Texans game we could get our hands on. It may be a sad fact for some, but its a fact none-the-less.

What I find interesting is the number of fans who want to then turn to the TV station and blindly blame them for the poor fan support of the Texans in Austin. It seems its all about everything (anything) BUT the poor performance of the Texans over the past five years (and the subsequent loss of fan interest).

We at KEYE (very obviously) would love for the Texans to have a great year and regain some of their fan base. Perhaps this is their year to do just exactly that. We can only hope that they field a strong team (looks good so far) and that football fans are attracted to it - that is how ball clubs are built.

Again, thanks for writing in, please feel free to contact us at any time.


Gary Vinson

Programming / Research Director





--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: sacrat1@excite.com [mailto:sacrat1@excite.com]
Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 3:25 PM
To: Vinson, Gary A
Cc: Smith, Allison R
Subject: Tennessee football advertisers
Importance: High



I'm going to make sure to DVR the Titan game so that after I return home from watching my local Texas NFL team, I'll compile a list of all of the local businesses supporting Tennessee football in Austin so that myself, my family, and my friends can inform these particular businesses that they should actively support the local Texas NFL teams and that we will spread the word that their businesses shouldn't be frequented.

My small contribution to bringing local NFL football back to Austin.

Go Texans!

Ty Webb
09-07-2007, 11:07 PM
I don't think this has anything to do with Vince Young. It is former Longhorn and current Titan tight end Bo Scaife that everyone in Austin wants to watch!

All kidding aside, I agree with everything that has been said about this issue. I live in Fredericksburg and DirectTv screwed me last year by taking away my San Antonio local channels, where I could watch the Texans, and giving me Austin. Am I blessed or what. Dish Network at least gives you the option of having both here where I live.

Yes, the Sunday Ticket. It's so damn expensive but it is the most logical alternative at this point. I'll be at two live games this year, just like every year, so at least I have that to look forward to.

Kudos to all those that have expressed their opinions on this matter.

BigWig
09-08-2007, 09:00 AM
Fridays paper had an article about us the Austin fans in it, mentioning the griping we have been doing. If I find the link I'll post it.

Joe Texan
09-08-2007, 09:22 AM
Keep it up the squeaky wheel gets greased

Tedc
09-08-2007, 09:56 AM
We need to send them an angry Joe Texan!!

They may never recover from that.

Brando
09-08-2007, 10:12 AM
Fridays paper had an article about us the Austin fans in it, mentioning the griping we have been doing. If I find the link I'll post it.


The eyes of Austin on Sunday will be upon Vince Young and the Tennessee Titans, not Matt Schaub and the Texans, which shows you how far the Texans have to go in rebuilding their image.

KEYE, the CBS owned-and-operated station in Austin, opted for Titans-Jaguars rather than Chiefs-Texans because viewership of the average Titans game was 60 percent higher than viewership for the average Texans game last year, said program director Gary Vinson.

"For 4 1/2 years, we aired every single Texans game we could, no matter how bad it got," Vinson said. "When Vince went to the Titans, we started getting tons of requests from people who wanted to see him. So we started going back and forth, and the difference was significant."

Texans fans in Austin are, not surprisingly, up in arms. One has started a Web site: www://keye42sucks.com.

Vinson, however, answers to advertisers as well as viewers, and 54,800 households (the average viewing audience for run-of-the-mill Titans games last year) beats 33,731 households (the average for run-of-the-mill Texans games).

Texans spokesman Tony Wylie described KEYE's decision as "a disservice to the Texans fans in Austin. We know it's the station manager's choice, and we hope (KEYE) elects to air our games in the future."

Every other CBS market in Texas will get the Chiefs-Texans game except Dallas-Fort Worth and Wichita Falls, which will get the Dolphins-Redskins.

However, even though your local NFL team is getting dissed in the capital city, TV geeks and Texans fans can take heart in this coda: The only CBS game this weekend that will not be broadcast in HDTV is Titans-Jaguars. So there.

chron.com (http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/5115076.html)

Texan_Bill
09-10-2007, 09:34 AM
Hey KEYE, how'd that great Tinnbread v. JAX game work out for you??

Your idol was 11/18 for 78 yards or 4.3 avetage with 0 TDS and 1 INT, although he did rush 11 times for 22 yards. :rolleyes:

Texan_Bill
09-10-2007, 09:46 AM
It is funny the cowboy fan who had to put their cent worth into it. All I have to say is they root for a OU boy who used to make the girls his biatch.

Great post Bill, a lot better than my incoherant rant.

Note to self do not post while extremely ticked off.


:specnatz:

I posted this, this morning:

Texan_Bill wrote:
***baha1960 wrote:
Let's face it. VY is more entertaining than the Texans. Any chance we can drop the Texans for the Titans locally? Maybe we can cart off the Texans to College Station. By the time VY is done, it's the only market the Texans will have. Whoop it up, Ags.***

LMAO Loser!! 11/18 for 78 yards (or 4.3 average per pass) with 0 TD's and 1 INT is SOOOOOO much more entertaining than Schaubs one pass of 77 yards to AJ for a TD..

Carry on..... Continue to sniff VY's jock!!!!!


Not as lucid as normal.... but hell, I haven't sobered up completely!!

Tailgate
09-10-2007, 10:02 AM
Question for everyone. I may be heading to Canyon Lake for the weekend. Does KEYE cover the Canyon Lake area? Or would that be San Antonio since its a bit closer? Will San Antonio be televising it?

FirstTexansFan
09-10-2007, 10:05 AM
I live in New Braunfels, we can watch either city with an antenna, but San Antonio is the better picture quality, and you're in luck. So far (knock on wood) KENS 5 is opting to carry the Texans games.

Tailgate
09-10-2007, 10:07 AM
I live in New Braunfels, we can watch either city with an antenna, but San Antonio is the better picture quality, and you're in luck. So far (knock on wood) KENS 5 is opting to carry the Texans games.

Totally sweet. I will keep my fingers crossed.

Texan_Bill
09-10-2007, 10:45 AM
I just posted this:

Texan_Bill Says:

September 10th, 2007 at 9:42 am
Tennessee v. JAX……… *yawns*

Your man love went 11 of 18 for a whopping 78 yards (or an average of 4.3 yards per reception) and 1 pick with a QB rating of 47.9…

Simply stated…… AWESOME!!!



on Austin CBS affiliate to Play Titans game over Texans game (http://sportswrap.berecruited.com/2007/09/04/austin-texas-cbs-affiliate-to-play-titans-game-over-the-texans/)

Kaiser Toro
09-10-2007, 10:46 AM
I gave up on KEYE last year and continue to remind DirecTV folks in the Austin area that they can get their CBS programming elsewhere.

Good job KEYE alienating the very tiny amount of Houstonians :rolleyes:, that reside in Austin, from their team.

Once the Texans start winning in earnest I do plan on watching KEYE to gather a list of their sponsors and intend on writing them of the lack of vision KEYE has and the dulling of whatever value proposition they offered.