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DiehardChris
08-29-2007, 01:13 PM
...for preseason or otherwise. Below where the red arrow is is where they used to have 'official preseason home of the Houston Texans (which last year before we all started raising hell actually said 'official home of the Houston Texans'.)

Here's a screencap I just pulled from www.keyetv.com/sports
http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x178/TravisBickle17/KEYE.jpg

I can say with 100% certainty that this is a result of THIS BOARD bombarding them with emails, and attention getting back to the Texans front office who placed a phone call to KEYE and came down on them for it.

However - now I'm starting to worry that the Texans might threaten KEYE with 'show all our games or none of them at all', which would be bad for us in Austin, and continue to stunt the growth of the fan base. Hopefully the two sides (three sides if you count us fans) can come up with something that is in the best interest of Texan fans... let's keep up the pressure and post any updates as they come!

sept8-1910
08-29-2007, 01:42 PM
One of the problems we have is that Allison Smith works for the Cowboys, they have an obvious conflict of interest.

I live in Austin and have DirecTV, but I do support the cause of getting KEYE straightened out. It is hard to build fan support in a community if the community can't watch the games.


Go Texans

BeerTastesLikeVictory
08-29-2007, 01:48 PM
Isn't keye a CBS affiliate, and if so, I thought CBS affiliates had to show AFC games, and FOX for NFC? If thats the case I would think the Titans would pose more of a threat than the Cowboys. At least I believe that was the case last year.

Specnatz
08-29-2007, 01:53 PM
Isn't keye a CBS affiliate, and if so, I thought CBS affiliates had to show AFC games, and FOX for NFC? If thats the case I would think the Titans would pose more of a threat than the Cowboys. At least I believe that was the case last year.

Not for preseason games. They can show what ever they want.

sept8-1910
08-29-2007, 01:54 PM
You are correct, they will show Titans games in the regular season, Cowboys games in the preseason. But with a Cowboys bias in the Sports department, don't expect them to hype or follow the Texans anytime soon. Cowboy fans don't like us much.

SheTexan
08-29-2007, 02:08 PM
Cowboy fans don't like us much.

Music to my ears cause I HATE those SonsOBs!!!!!!!!

Specnatz
08-29-2007, 02:27 PM
Does ABC in houston show the pre-season games?

Koolaid Time
08-29-2007, 02:41 PM
You are correct, they will show Titans games in the regular season, Cowboys games in the preseason. But with a Cowboys bias in the Sports department, don't expect them to hype or follow the Texans anytime soon. Cowboy fans don't like us much.


You might want to call the NFL in New York City. How did KEYE get out of the NFL Territorial Restrictions and get to show Titans games?

This is unusual to say the least.

Tedc
08-29-2007, 02:59 PM
Does ABC in houston show the pre-season games?

Yes!

sept8-1910
08-29-2007, 02:59 PM
Here is what I have found, I guess they can do what they want unless we find a way to change their mind:


Which games get shown in what particular markets are determined by the following factors: First, each home team's "primary media market," the market in which the team is physically located, must televise all of the away games involving the local team (a vestige of the days when only road games were shown), and all of the home games, provided that they are sold out at least 72 hours prior to kickoff (or else, they are subject to blackout, see below). In addition, the league also designates "secondary markets," media markets adjoining primary markets (generally penetrating within 75 miles of a stadium but not having their own team) that are also required to show the local team. Generally, these secondary markets must show the road games but are not obligated to show the designated team's home games. Their decision on whether to show home games typically depends on whether or not the NFL-designated local team is perceived to be the most popular in the market. In all other markets, the networks are the sole arbiters of what game gets shown where. However, they usually make their decisions after consulting with all of their local affiliates. In some rarer occasions, some affiliates are offered a choice of a few games for a given time-slot, if there is not one game that stands out as appropriate. In those cases, sometimes affiliates allow viewers to vote on which game will air.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NFL_on_television

Specnatz
08-29-2007, 03:04 PM
Yes!

Just got a wild hair and sent an email to the local ABC affiliate about having them as home of the Texans pre-season for next year. This has done be done far in advance so I thought why the hell not start the ball rolling in that direction.

sept8-1910
08-29-2007, 03:26 PM
I did some more web crawling and found this email from Gary Vinson (KEYE Programming and Research Director) from last year:

http://longhornlaw.net/blog/archives/2006/11/12/1128/

It seems like the best thing we can do is show KEYE that Texans fans exist in Austin by emailing them, having watch parties at local bars and showing Texans pride in the Austin area.

Specnatz
08-29-2007, 03:29 PM
I did some more web crawling and found this email from Gary Vinson (KEYE Programming and Research Director) from last year:

http://longhornlaw.net/blog/archives/2006/11/12/1128/

It seems like the best thing we can do is show KEYE that Texans fans exist in Austin by emailing them, having watch parties at local bars and showing Texans pride in the Austin area.

Never mind it is working. By the way that is a canned response, Mr Vinson has sent that exact same letter to everyone.


We will be at thirdbase for KC come loud and proud.

I know a shirt designer I think. Hmmmmm

rickyb
08-29-2007, 09:44 PM
Here is the response I got from KEYE today...seems they are not even responding any more?
QUOTE
This is the Postfix program at host ns2.zope.com.

I'm sorry to have to inform you that the message returned
below could not be delivered to one or more destinations.

For further assistance, please send mail to <postmaster>

If you do so, please include this problem report. You can
delete your own text from the message returned below.

The Postfix program

<keyetv@keyetv.com>: host mi8.com.mail5.psmtp.com[64.18.5.10] said: 550 5.1.1
User unknown (in reply to RCPT TO command)
Sent by Rick at Aug 29, 2007 6.51 pm

Phone:
City: Austin
Why does your station continue to show Titan games instead of Texan games? Please do not bother showing me the viewer stats from last year, I have seen them. It surprises me that your Programming Director fails to appreciate how his NFL programming choices served to exacerbate the very statistics which he uses to justify his programming choices.

Please, please, please support your local NFL team. It is downright despicable for a Texas TV station to support Bud Adams and the Titans INSTEAD OF a local Texas team.

Sincerely,
Rick

PS: Vince Young is no longer a shiny novelty, and the Texans now have a viable product on the field with the arrival of Matt Schaub at QB. I say again: please support your Texas NFL team.
/QUOTE

Specnatz
08-30-2007, 12:17 AM
Here is the response I got from KEYE today...seems they are not even responding any more?
QUOTE
This is the Postfix program at host ns2.zope.com.

I'm sorry to have to inform you that the message returned
below could not be delivered to one or more destinations.

For further assistance, please send mail to <postmaster>

If you do so, please include this problem report. You can
delete your own text from the message returned below.

The Postfix program

<keyetv@keyetv.com>: host mi8.com.mail5.psmtp.com[64.18.5.10] said: 550 5.1.1
User unknown (in reply to RCPT TO command)
Sent by Rick at Aug 29, 2007 6.51 pm

Phone:
City: Austin
Why does your station continue to show Titan games instead of Texan games? Please do not bother showing me the viewer stats from last year, I have seen them. It surprises me that your Programming Director fails to appreciate how his NFL programming choices served to exacerbate the very statistics which he uses to justify his programming choices.

Please, please, please support your local NFL team. It is downright despicable for a Texas TV station to support Bud Adams and the Titans INSTEAD OF a local Texas team.

Sincerely,
Rick

PS: Vince Young is no longer a shiny novelty, and the Texans now have a viable product on the field with the arrival of Matt Schaub at QB. I say again: please support your Texas NFL team.
/QUOTE


The hell with that email Gary Vinson Directly

"Vinson, Gary A" gavinson@keyetv.com

But I am seriously working on other things.


Please be sure to show up on the 9th. I need everyone to show up.

rollinstone18
08-30-2007, 12:34 AM
I'll happily participate in flooding telephone lines/e-mail inboxes of KEYE and/or sponsors. And I can try my best not to be belligerent but I'll make no promises. Not broadcasting our season and home opener is unforgivable.

:pirate:

Specnatz
08-30-2007, 09:41 AM
UPDATE:

I spoke with Missy Rentz yesterday on the phone. She is sorta new to the Texans has only been with them for about 6 months, but she is working hard at getting things worked out with radio and TV stations. San Antonio does have a radio station that broadcast the games but Austin does not as of yet. She said she is also working on doing some promotions in the area at some point but does not have anything specific as of yet. All they can do is put pressure on a station to show the games but it does look like we are on our own on that because of contracts of CBS having the AFC and since we are not with-in 75 miles of Reliant. But Ms Rentz said she will continue to work hard for us here in the Austin area.

This is the most I have ever gotten out of anyone that works with the Texans. I do not have any pull or know anyone with in the organization or anyone that could help put pressure on KEYE. Hopefully I can get past the stupid operators of Time Warner and get to someone besides some phone jockey. I swear customer service is dead and so is actual personel contact. It is if companies could careless if you are happy or not.

Oh by the way, the contract with KEYE to show pre-season games ends this year.

Texan_Bill
08-30-2007, 09:44 AM
UPDATE:
Hopefully I can get past the stupid operators of Time Warner and get to someone besides some phone jockey. I swear customer service is dead and so is actual personel contact. It is if companies could careless if you are happy or not.


Be sure to press "1" to hear the options in English.

Specnatz
08-30-2007, 10:38 AM
Be sure to press "1" to hear the options in English.

Thanks Bill, I appreciate the help.

Oh and the press "1" thing is freakin lame.

HuttoKarl
08-30-2007, 10:45 AM
Gee, Gary.



Thanks again for dashing the hopes of all Austin-area Houston Texans fans who hoped to actually
get to see their favorite team turn around and have a great season for a change. Instead, we get
a Cowboys preseason game and a bunch of Vince Young running around trying to avoid sacks as
he looks for his non-existent Wide Receivers and Running Backs and Offensive Line. At what point
will you realize that Vince Young is no longer a Longhorn and that the Titans arenít the Oilers anymore?



When Vince gets injured for the season, will you finally play Houston Texans games (the team actually
residing in Texas) or do I have to wait for the two games per year that Houston gets to humiliate the
Flaming Thumbtacks to get my Texans fix? I will remind you that this is the new Houston Texans team.

We just manhandled the Cowboys (yet you show Dallas tonight) and have the reigning Defensive Rookie
of the Year, DeMeco Ryans ready to tee off on the competition again.



Youíre going to respond with the same generic response youíve sent everyone else. If you donít televise
Texans games, youíre never going to generate a local fan base and eventually, youíll have to show Titans
games in a future in which Vince Young is no longer a Titan. If the UT honks want their Longhorn fix, thatís
what Saturdays are for. If they absolutely NEED a Longhorn on Sunday, I suggest they DVR the game from
Saturday OR check out Kasey Studdard, former Longhorn, current TexanÖblocking for Matt Schaub, the Cowboy
Killer.



I know this will fall on blind eyes and I donít expect you to change a thing because that would just lead to
disappointment when you donít change anything. I just want you to know that Houston Texan fans do exist
in Austin and the surrounding area and we donít all have those Nielson boxes on our TVís.



Karl A. Meyer

rollinstone18
08-30-2007, 02:55 PM
Think it'd worth writing the Statesman or Chronicle? I doubt they'd have much pull. But I could be under-estimating the effect of bad publicity.

God damnit I hate KEYE.

hollywood_texan
08-30-2007, 03:12 PM
All right, here are the problems with the issues associated with them.

1. Preseason coverage -- A local station can show them at their discretion. But, here is the rub, local stations take a bath on certain parts of their programming and if they can find something that will make them more money, they are going to do it. If the ratings are there for the Texans during preseason, the local station would do it in a heartbeat. Bottom line, this issue is about money, which means the ratings have to be there.

2. Regular season coverage -- The local station probably has zero input on this matter. I suspect it is a decision made by the National network carrying the game. The National network has a contract with the NFL, so they are obligated to make the most money they can. I suspect, that a National network making less money on a game because of local concerns is less money for the NFL, which is less money for the players due to revenue sharing by the CBA. You see, no one is going to want this scenario, even players playing for the Texans, it's less money for them. Again, the bottom line is about money, which means the ratings have to be there.

3. Texans organization is not interested in marketing in Austin, Texas -- This is a key point. Austin is not important to the Houston Texans organization. PLEASE UNDERSTAND THIS! IF YOU CAN PROVE ME WRONG , PLEASE DO! Just look around Austin, do you see any marketing of the team there? No. A marketing guy in the Houston Texans organization basically explained to someone that I know that the Texans organization is only concerned about Houston due to it's large population. Austin is bascially irrelevant to them.

My suggestion is, stop banging on the local station. Their hands are tied to ratings and making money on preseason games is important, and the regular season games are decided at a much higher level.

You want Texans coverage in Austin, tell the Texans organization to do 2 things:

1. Win enough football games to get to the playoffs, and

2. Market the team in Austin.

You guys are just wasting your time with the local station in my opinion.

Texan_Bill
08-30-2007, 03:16 PM
Nice job HuttoKarl !!!!

Tedc
08-30-2007, 03:30 PM
3. Texans organization is not interested in marketing in Austin, Texas -- This is a key point. Austin is not important to the Houston Texans organization. PLEASE UNDERSTAND THIS! IF YOU CAN PROVE ME WRONG , PLEASE DO! Just look around Austin, do you see any marketing of the team there? No. A marketing guy in the Houston Texans organization basically explained to someone that I know that the Texans organization is only concerned about Houston due to it's large population. Austin is bascially irrelevant to them.



I disagree with you. The Texans are interested in Austin. They travel every year to other cities for marketing. If they didn't care, why would they waste thier time and money sending players, Toro and cheerleaders to different cities?

Mr. White
08-30-2007, 03:37 PM
I disagree with you. The Texans are interested in Austin. They travel every year to other cities for marketing. If they didn't care, why would they waste thier time and money sending players, Toro and cheerleaders to different cities?

They did that once a few years ago. Since then, the organization has showed no interest in marketing to Austin (or any other Texas city beside Houston.)

If they win more games, then the marketing problem will take care of itself. If they don't, then the Texans will continue to be the 3rd most popular team in Austin.

hollywood_texan
08-30-2007, 03:38 PM
I disagree with you. The Texans are interested in Austin. They travel every year to other cities for marketing. If they didn't care, why would they waste thier time and money sending players, Toro and cheerleaders to different cities?

Your examples don't sound like a serious marketing campaign to me.

Putting a few people in a car to travel around a few Texas citites to do small events isn't that important. How many people from Austin know that these events even occurred?

I am talking about spending real marketing time and money to develop a fan base.

Trust me, a friend of mine had this very conversation with a Texans marketing guy at Reliant Stadium. Maybe he misunderstood what they guy said, but the Texans marketing guy explained that they are not interested in building a fan base in Austin by their own marketing efforts. All efforts are in the Houston area.

hollywood_texan
08-30-2007, 03:43 PM
They did that once a few years ago. Since then, the organization has showed no interest in marketing to Austin (or any other Texas city beside Houston.)

If they win more games, then the marketing problem will take care of itself. If they don't, then the Texans will continue to be the 3rd most popular team in Austin.

Winning is a key compenent, but the Texans are going to have to make an effort to solidify the fan base in Austin over a long period of time outside of just winning games.

The Texans are not going to be winners every year.

The Texans have to show they want to Austin to be their team. It's really there if they just go after it from a marketing perspective.

Not to mention, they have to compete with the Cowboys and win over Texas Longhorn fans that have certain opinions anyway.

nfl-brit
08-30-2007, 03:54 PM
On the plus side, Allison Smith looks scrummy!:heart:

Ahem. Sorry.

Mr. White
08-30-2007, 03:54 PM
The Texans are not going to be winners every year.

The Texans have to show they want to Austin to be their team. It's really there if they just go after it from a marketing perspective.

Not to mention, they have to compete with the Cowboys and win over Texas Longhorn fans that have certain opinions anyway.

Agreed to an extent. There's lots of venom towards the Texans in Austin right now. The only thing that'll change that is if the Texans start winning. The bandwagon fans will start jumping on and rival the bandwagon Titan fans.

I totally agree that they need to make an effort to market outside of Houston. The organization is more to blame than KEYE. In this case, the lack of marketing is the cause and the lack of a broadcast outlet is the effect.

Mr. White
08-30-2007, 03:58 PM
On the plus side, Allison Smith looks scrummy!


I never thought she looked like a rugby player. :joker:

HuttoKarl
08-30-2007, 04:25 PM
Gary emailed me back and stated that they're going to show a balance of Titans and Texans games and that he's really hoping Houston does upstage the Titans and that he's really pulling for our team.

I told him I wouldn't tell anyone if he accidentally pulled the plug on TEN/JAX and plugged in HOU/KC.

rollinstone18
08-30-2007, 04:36 PM
Gary emailed me back and stated that they're going to show a balance of Titans and Texans games and that he's really hoping Houston does upstage the Titans and that he's really pulling for our team.

I told him I wouldn't tell anyone if he accidentally pulled the plug on TEN/JAX and plugged in HOU/KC.

I guess that's progress, but god damnit we're still going to miss our home opener.

Specnatz
08-30-2007, 04:49 PM
All right, here are the problems with the issues associated with them.

1. Preseason coverage -- A local station can show them at their discretion. But, here is the rub, local stations take a bath on certain parts of their programming and if they can find something that will make them more money, they are going to do it. If the ratings are there for the Texans during preseason, the local station would do it in a heartbeat. Bottom line, this issue is about money, which means the ratings have to be there.

2. Regular season coverage -- The local station probably has zero input on this matter. I suspect it is a decision made by the National network carrying the game. The National network has a contract with the NFL, so they are obligated to make the most money they can. I suspect, that a National network making less money on a game because of local concerns is less money for the NFL, which is less money for the players due to revenue sharing by the CBA. You see, no one is going to want this scenario, even players playing for the Texans, it's less money for them. Again, the bottom line is about money, which means the ratings have to be there.

3. Texans organization is not interested in marketing in Austin, Texas -- This is a key point. Austin is not important to the Houston Texans organization. PLEASE UNDERSTAND THIS! IF YOU CAN PROVE ME WRONG , PLEASE DO! Just look around Austin, do you see any marketing of the team there? No. A marketing guy in the Houston Texans organization basically explained to someone that I know that the Texans organization is only concerned about Houston due to it's large population. Austin is bascially irrelevant to them.

My suggestion is, stop banging on the local station. Their hands are tied to ratings and making money on preseason games is important, and the regular season games are decided at a much higher level.
You want Texans coverage in Austin, tell the Texans organization to do 2 things:

1. Win enough football games to get to the playoffs, and

2. Market the team in Austin.


(#1) OK the first part is correct but is done by contract for pre-season games. this explains how ABC in Houston shows the Texans pre-season games and not the CBS affiliate. The contract the Texans have with KEYE for pre-season games is up after this season. I know this because of speaking with the Texans marketing dept. They will look at other alternatives after the season, but the marketing department has to know what they are missing out on here in Austin and the only way to do that is to keep voicing our concerns and complaints through the fan feedback. I could also forward email adress on to Ms Rentz. I was asked not to post her email addy on the website because of getting emails that do not pertain to her area.

(#2) Actually there is a radius from the ball park that dictates what has to be shown. After that is up to each individual market to air games that they see fit. Last year, San Antonio was showing Colts games while in Austin we got Titans. Last year when we started the campaign by emailing KEYE they actually changed a game from the titans to the Texans. The more pressure that is put on KEYE the more we can force their hand and get them to show the Texans.

(#3) I do firmly believe in the past that the Texans did not focus on areas outside of the Houston area. As of right now that is still the case. no signs saying the season is appropaching, no schedules at chilies (the fold out ones), like they had of the Cowboys. Academy has nothing in the way of shirts, jerseys or any other merchandise. Not that they have a lot of Cowboy crap but they have some. They also have very few hats.I think they have more Red Sox hats than Texans. I have not seen anything about players and or cheerleaders appearing in Austin in the last 4 years.

as far as stop banging the local media, I will call BS on that one. If we do not bang on them they will think we do not care and continue to show Titans games even when the Texans are winning. How the hell are they going to tell what the ratings are for the Texans in the pre-season, if they show the damn Cowboys and have on their website HOME of the TEXANS pre-season, but not show the games. They took it off because they got called on it and it is called false advertising.

As far as telling the marketing department to win games and get in the playoffs, that is a fair weather fan comment and I am not that in the least bit. I do not care if they go 1 - 15 I still want the damn games televised. By not caring I mean it should not matter what the record is, it is a Texas team show them and stop showing the flaming meatballs.


I disagree with you. The Texans are interested in Austin. They travel every year to other cities for marketing. If they didn't care, why would they waste thier time and money sending players, Toro and cheerleaders to different cities?

Sorry Ted I disagree with you, because I have never seen them here, if they were they flew in under the cover of darkness promoted and then flew out under the cover of darkness. I just have not seen anything here.

shinerbock_girl
08-30-2007, 05:23 PM
Well living in Cowboy country here in SA, I feel your pain Austin...This Cowboy loss has made my week seeing all the media here with their tongues hanging out...

DiehardChris
08-30-2007, 05:29 PM
I guess that's progress, but god damnit we're still going to miss our home opener.

It's not progress at ALL. It's regression. This is exactly what they did last year - except this year we don't even get the season opener.

That is 100% a step backward, not forward.

hollywood_texan
08-30-2007, 05:40 PM
as far as stop banging the local media, I will call BS on that one. If we do not bang on them they will think we do not care and continue to show Titans games even when the Texans are winning. How the hell are they going to tell what the ratings are for the Texans in the pre-season, if they show the damn Cowboys and have on their website HOME of the TEXANS pre-season, but not show the games. They took it off because they got called on it and it is called false advertising.

As far as telling the marketing department to win games and get in the playoffs, that is a fair weather fan comment and I am not that in the least bit. I do not care if they go 1 - 15 I still want the damn games televised. By not caring I mean it should not matter what the record is, it is a Texas team show them and stop showing the flaming meatballs.


Are you saying I am fair weather fan? That doesn't make any sense to me. I am merely calling out how I see the problem. By the way, TV stations don't care what you think, they are in the business of making money via ratings.

The best way for you to see the Texans in Austin on TV is:

A: A sizeable portion of the Austin area cares about the Texans (this is marketing), and
B: The team wins games consisently to get the fan base excited over an extended period of time.

Bottom line is the Houston Texans organization has made some sort of decision to not market the Austin area heavily. Couple that with a team that hasn't had mediocre success in it's 5 years of existence, a TV station isn't going to air content regarding the Texans.

Like I said, the Texans need to win games and win over a sizeable portion of the Austin market through marketing. Do that, and the ratings will be there and therefore, the local affiliate will air preseason games and the National side will make sure the regular season games are aired as well, because the dollars will be there.

The local station is really caught in the middle. You guys are complaining to a TV station because you think they should loss money on the deal. That isn't going to happen.

HuttoKarl
08-30-2007, 05:52 PM
Are you saying I am fair weather fan? That doesn't make any sense to me. I am merely calling out how I see the problem. By the way, TV stations don't care what you think, they are in the business of making money via ratings.

The best way for you to see the Texans in Austin on TV is:

A: A sizeable portion of the Austin area cares about the Texans (this is marketing), and
B: The team wins games consisently to get the fan base excited over an extended period of time.

Bottom line is the Houston Texans organization has made some sort of decision to not market the Austin area heavily. Couple that with a team that hasn't had mediocre success in it's 5 years of existence, a TV station isn't going to air content regarding the Texans.

Like I said, the Texans need to win games and win over a sizeable portion of the Austin market through marketing. Do that, and the ratings will be there and therefore, the local affiliate will air preseason games and the National side will make sure the regular season games are aired as well, because the dollars will be there.

The local station is really caught in the middle. You guys are complaining to a TV station because you think they should loss money on the deal. That isn't going to happen.

Limas Sweed, Houston Texan??? :shades:

hollywood_texan
08-30-2007, 05:52 PM
(#2) Actually there is a radius from the ball park that dictates what has to be shown. After that is up to each individual market to air games that they see fit. Last year, San Antonio was showing Colts games while in Austin we got Titans. Last year when we started the campaign by emailing KEYE they actually changed a game from the titans to the Texans. The more pressure that is put on KEYE the more we can force their hand and get them to show the Texans.


You may have your results confused a bit.

Let me explain a bit:

If you get your show on and you have poor ratings, the show won't be on again. Won the battle, lost the war kind of thing. It's kind of like when David Carr was QB of the Texans. You have some time to prove yourself. If you don't, your gone. In the TV business, you have very little time to prove yourself. Shows are yanked after a poor rating on the first episode and they have other episodes already in the can for release.

You can call on you want. But, if they allow the show on and it stinks, which means they make less money than something else, they are going to air the something else in the future that makes them more money.

I think you guys are wasting your time calling the station. If the ratings are there, they are going to air it because they make more money. This isn't a consipiracy of some sort against the Houston Texans.

To have a high rating in Austin, people need to A.) care about the Texans and B.) the Texans need to field a winning team. Both of these points have nothing to do with the TV station.

I don't understand why this is so hard to understand...

dtran04
08-30-2007, 06:11 PM
The real question is....if the Titans start 0-3, will they pull them for the Texans?

DiehardChris
08-30-2007, 06:15 PM
Nobody thinks this is a conspiracy.

Here's the thing. KEYE actually DID show willingness to choose the Texans over the Titans DESPITE the ratings last year when they were switching back and forth between the two teams. If they were to do this by a PURELY ratings standpoint - it would be no contest and last year's first broadcasted Titans game would have been the end of ALL the Texans games on the station. That's not what happened - KEYE - KNOWING they were going to take a ratings hit - aired the Texans I think TWO TIMES after that initial switch to the Titans.

Bottom line is - they gambled because they WANT the Texans to win.

However - Hollywood Texan, it's not as cut and dry as you're making it out to be. The mistake that KEYE is making THIS season is that they are not starting with the Texans home opener. It's an entirely different team, new QB, new attitude, new optimism, etc, etc. The Texans are starting AT HOME, against a BAD TEAM, and the game will be sold out and LOUD.

The Titans first game isn't even a home game. What KEYE SHOULD have done (if they are truly going to 'balance' the teams) is OPEN with HOU/KC and televise the second Titans game, which is at HOME against INDY.

Instead, what we're going to get is KEYE televising the first TWO Titans games. I mean really - there's no way they're going to pick HOU at CAROLINA over IND at TEN.

I have a pretty good knowledge of the entertainment business, and television programming, etc... and it's not hard to know that you have to take risks in the local market.

If you look at LAST year's numbers - it's a no-brainer for KEYE to televise the Titans. But that's not all the info. They're not appropriately taking into account all the changes that Houston has undergone - not to mention all the negative changes that have affected the Titans.

The smart thing for KEYE to do, IMO is to televise the first Texans game, then if they aren't satisfied with the ratings - go with a SURE THING ratings win the next week when Indy takes on VY in Nashville.

So I really think the situation is a little more complicated than some people realize.

One thing that is not complicated is this - KEYE will be an all-Texans station if the Texans win.

hollywood_texan
08-30-2007, 06:17 PM
The real question is....if the Titans start 0-3, will they pull them for the Texans?
It depends on the ratings, which means how much money they make.

Who wins really isn't relevant, how they make the most money is.

If people in Austin would rather watch Vince Young and the Titans lose than the Texans win, they are going to show the Titans instead.

The National side doesn't care who wins or loses, they want to make the most money. Which means the higher rated programming gets put on the air.

Specnatz
08-30-2007, 06:21 PM
I am not calling you a fair weather fan I am calling the idea if they win we get the game, that is BS, this is Texas damn it I want the game.

As far as the ratings go, if they show games that suck and only show the premier games of Titans like they did last year, well then of course the ratings are going to be skewed. The casual fan will not watch Texans vs Mia but they may toon into Titans vs Patriots. There are so called football fans that will only watch premium games because they have no alegance to any of the Texas teams and they do not have a dish and the NFL package.

If we do not express our desire for the Texans games then they will think no one cares in Austin for the Texans.

Silent = no voice/no choice.

hollywood_texan
08-30-2007, 06:22 PM
However - Hollywood Texan, it's not as cut and dry as you're making it out to be. The mistake that KEYE is making THIS season is that they are not starting with the Texans home opener. It's an entirely different team, new QB, new attitude, new optimism, etc, etc. The Texans are starting AT HOME, against a BAD TEAM, and the game will be sold out and LOUD.


Regular season games are not decided by the local market that is not supported by team directly by so many miles or whatever.

Point is, KEYE doesn't make the decision on the regular season game programming. They are told what to air.

hollywood_texan
08-30-2007, 06:25 PM
I am not calling you a fair weather fan I am calling the idea if they win we get the game, that is BS, this is Texas damn it I want the game.

As far as the ratings go, if they show games that suck and only show the premier games of Titans like they did last year, well then of course the ratings are going to be skewed. The casual fan will not watch Texans vs Mia but they may toon into Titans vs Patriots. There are so called football fans that will only watch premium games because they have no alegance to any of the Texas teams and they do not have a dish and the NFL package.

If we do not express our desire for the Texans games then they will think no one cares in Austin for the Texans.

Silent = no voice/no choice.

Which is why the Texans need to market heavily in Austin. You will have a bigger voice. Just a few people calling the station isn't going to do the trick. Ratings will, money...

I am probaby going to be moving back to Austin soon. So, you will have another voice in Austin.

DiehardChris
08-30-2007, 06:25 PM
Were you here for all of this mess last year? This just isn't the case. After KEYE pulled the plug on the Texans last year - they went back to them for at least one, possibly two games. If it were up to the national - they never would have gone back to the Texans since the Titans games literally DOUBLED the Texan games.

Specnatz
08-30-2007, 06:26 PM
Regular season games are not decided by the local market that is not supported by team directly by so many miles or whatever.

Point is, KEYE doesn't make the decision on the regular season game programming. They are told what to air.

You are wrong!! Gary a Vinson the program director of KEYE makes the call on what to air here in Austin. I have exchanged emails with him and with the Texans marketing department. Sorry Hollywood but you have no idea what is going on.

hollywood_texan
08-30-2007, 06:27 PM
Were you here for all of this mess last year? This just isn't the case. After KEYE pulled the plug on the Texans last year - they went back to them for at least one, possibly two games. If it were up to the national - they never would have gone back to the Texans since the Titans games literally DOUBLED the Texan games.

They were probably comparing the ratings over the season to make a determination how to proceed in the future.

Don't confuse them showing something and that they will show it forever.

If they give it a chance on the ratings and it doesn't come through, see ya later, the programming is gone.

Specnatz
08-30-2007, 06:31 PM
They were probably comparing the ratings over the season to make a determination how to proceed in the future.

Don't confuse them showing something and that they will show it forever.

If they give it a chance on the ratings and it doesn't come through, see ya later, the programming is gone.

Hollywood I know how ratings work I have a degree in broadcast journalism and you are not understanding what is going on.

Neilsen ratings can not accurately tell on sports and has been known to be off by as much as 40%. A single guy will not have a Neilsen, anyone who watches a lot of sports will not get a neilsen box. this has been debated for a long time with the cost of ad dollars.

hollywood_texan
08-30-2007, 06:33 PM
You are wrong!! Gary a Vinson the program director of KEYE makes the call on what to air here in Austin. I have exchanged emails with him and with the Texans marketing department. Sorry Hollywood but you have no idea what is going on.

This was in a previous post and I believe is applicable to the Texans in Austin. It goes:

In all other markets, the networks are the sole arbiters of what game gets shown where. However, they usually make their decisions after consulting with all of their local affiliates. In some rarer occasions, some affiliates are offered a choice of a few games for a given time-slot, if there is not one game that stands out as appropriate. In those cases, sometimes affiliates allow viewers to vote on which game will air.


I work in the TV syndication business. I don't know the specifics of all Nielsen ratings, but I see enough.

I believe Austin is considered the "all other markets" category, so your guy doesn't get to call the shots.

There is too much money at play on under/over delivery on advertising to let programming on with lesser ratings than an alternative.

hollywood_texan
08-30-2007, 06:39 PM
Hollywood I know how ratings work I have a degree in broadcast journalism and you are not understanding what is going on.

Neilsen ratings can not accurately tell on sports and has been known to be off by as much as 40%. A single guy will not have a Neilsen, anyone who watches a lot of sports will not get a neilsen box. this has been debated for a long time with the cost of ad dollars.

I work in a TV syndication company and I see the Nielsen ratings. I see the billings and rebates back to advertisers.

I won't get into the Nielsen crap that you are referring to. Trust me, most people don't like them in the business, they have a monopoly and are difficult to deal with.

But, my company makes money from the ratings they provide. The lower the ratings, the less money we earn. How they generate the ratings or any issues there are (and trust me there are plenty), we only make money off the ratings they provide to us. You can describe the deficiencies all you want, but the Nielsen ratings are the agreed structure in paying for advertising on TV.

The lower the ratings, the more money we have have to pay back to advertisers because of lower than expected ratings from what the sales people sold. The sales people always over sell in today's market.

Tedc
08-30-2007, 07:22 PM
They call it a Texans Outreach Tour and I have been reading about it since the first season.

Here is a blurb about one...
"Texans Special Events Outreach
The Texans have created many fan events throughout the year. Events include the Texans Draft Party, Running of the Bulls 5K Run, Outreach Tour, Cheerleader and Bull Pen Pep Band Tryouts, Football 101, Training Camp, Texans Week, Cheerleader Magazine Preview Party, Cheerleader Halloween Party, Ultimate Fan Contest, Business Lunch Series and Youth and Hispanic Outreach Programs. These events are programmed to cultivate the Texans’ fan base and make a positive impact on their lives. "

More..

Outreach Tour
The Texans extended their reach throughout Texas on their annual Outreach Tour, brought to you by Miller Lite. Texans players, cheerleaders and TORO visited Beaumont, Corpus Christi, McAllen, Ft. Hood, College Station, Austin and San Antonio. School visits, hospital visits, autograph signings and fan events were scheduled throughout the tour.

another....
http://www.houstontexans.com/community/inthecommunity.asp

Listed as Regional Texans Outreach here...
http://admin.houstontexans.com/assets/community/05-06%20CRfinal.pdf (http://admin.houstontexans.com/assets/community/05-06%20CRfinal.pdf)

You might try googling to find more. If you check with www.houstontexans.com (http://www.houstontexans.com) often, you just might catch when they are coming.

I remember someone on this site (or the other) say that they had a thing at an Academy and then they met at a bar. I wish I knew who it was but I am sure I can find it if you want.

BigWig
08-30-2007, 08:07 PM
Something went right they have the game on tonight, instead of the Crudwagon!

DiehardChris
08-30-2007, 08:09 PM
Er, I'm watching KEYE right now and it's the Cowboys. What the hell? Are you watching it on the HD channel? Someone said they were going to do Texans/Bucs on the HD channel.

Khari
08-30-2007, 08:11 PM
Something went right they have the game on tonight, instead of the Crudwagon!

it's the cowboys game :sleep:

Hardcore Texan
08-30-2007, 08:23 PM
I am listening to it on KILT's website www.kilt.com

I don't see on TV anywhere BigWig, where are you seeing it?

Khari
08-30-2007, 08:24 PM
HDTV.......it's not on the regular channel

Hardcore Texan
08-30-2007, 08:26 PM
I got HD on DirecTV....and I don't see it

Hardcore Texan
08-30-2007, 08:26 PM
duh....never mind, I just found it, I am a goofball, trying to do too much at once.

rockabilly
08-30-2007, 08:31 PM
I think Vinson may have "messed up". If so, kudos to KEYE.

Why can't they do this for the regular season? Titans on one channel, Texans on HD?

Khari
08-30-2007, 08:33 PM
no....texans on regular tv.....titans on HD.......make them pay for HD if they wanna see their team :joker:

Hardcore Texan
08-30-2007, 08:34 PM
I was listening live on the internet and I guess the HD feed has a delay or something, that's why I thought it wasn't on......but this is so AWESOME...I can't believe I miss the first 2 scores...I heard the second one by Fletcher. But I would have loved to see Rosenfels and Jones hook up for a touchdown!

:fans: :splits:

Khari
08-30-2007, 08:38 PM
:cry2:

Mean Machine
08-30-2007, 11:43 PM
Well, I don't have a HD hook up and tonite I have decided to dump time warner and we are going with Direct TV so we can get the NFL network and the games. It is the only 'for sure' way I am going to get Texans games this year.
Screw keye.

I emailed time warner telling them that they are going to lose customers to the Dish, they seem to not care.
Screw time warner too.

I'll keep fighting the fight, but I'm done with having to rely on keye.

BigWig
08-31-2007, 08:29 AM
Nice effort but I dont think it will change anything, this has been this way since the beginning of the Texans, Thats why I had season tix and the Ticket. It has been said on the other boards and here when we play respectable we will get respect and the coverage will come. I was enlightened to find the game on last night although they did muff the feed and pop the Crackwagon in once or twice and then cut back to the Texans. They also had no sound for the commercials which was awesome but weird.

rockabilly
08-31-2007, 12:41 PM
Well now i'm officially left out in the dark.

I was trying to get DirecTV Sunday Ticket so I can watch the Texans this season, and OF COURSE there was gonna be a problem. My apartment won't allow sattelites.

I was rethinking my keye42sucks.com idea thanks to them "showing" the preseason game last night, but now I have no other option but to fight...so on with the war.

Where are the watch parties this year in Austin?

Texan_Bill
08-31-2007, 12:49 PM
Well now i'm officially left out in the dark.

I was trying to get DirecTV Sunday Ticket so I can watch the Texans this season, and OF COURSE there was gonna be a problem. My apartment won't allow sattelites.

I was rethinking my keye42sucks.com idea thanks to them "showing" the preseason game last night, but now I have no other option but to fight...so on with the war.

Where are the watch parties this year in Austin?

They can't stop you from putting a satellite dish on a tripod or what some peoeple have done by putting a wood post in a 5 gallon bucket filled with Quickcrete and mounting the dish to the post....

F 'em do it anyway!!!

Texan_Bill
08-31-2007, 12:51 PM
The rule allows local governments, community associations and landlords to enforce restrictions that do not impair, as well as restrictions needed for safety or historic preservation. In addition, under some circumstances, the availability of a central or common antenna can be used by a community association or landlord to restrict the installation of individual antennas. In addition, the rule does not apply to common areas that are owned by a landlord, a community association, or jointly by condominium or cooperative owners. Therefore, restrictions on antennas installed in common areas are enforceable.

On November 20, 1998, the Commission amended the rule so that it will also apply to rental property where the renter has exclusive use, such as a balcony or patio. The effective date of the amended rule is January 22, 1999.


Information on Installing Satellite TV in condos, townhomes, and rental property: (http://www.myrateplan.com/sat/condos.php)

ATX
08-31-2007, 01:04 PM
Is there any way the Governor or President can sign some kind of executive order that forces the NFL to show both Texans and Cowboys games? I mean if they can stop an execution or pardon a criminal, why not mandate a football game once a week. :cowboy1: I don't think that would be too unreasonable of a request.

Wolf
08-31-2007, 03:52 PM
sadly probably only way to get them to change is for a boycott of watching the game they are playing while the Texans are playing. Once their ratings drop then they will change.

but hopefully this season we won't have to worry, Texans will be winning and once they do, KEYE, will switch over and "reclaim" Official Home of the Texans

rockabilly
08-31-2007, 04:40 PM
KEYE42SUCKS.COM (http://www.keye42sucks.com) is now active. I still have more I can do, but I just wanted to get it going. Please send suggestions.

BigWig
08-31-2007, 07:59 PM
Rockabilly, see the other thread we are meeting at Third Base.
I will send an email soon, stay tuned.
If we dont get a showing towards midseason I might offer my pad but we are talking SW Austin.

rickyb
09-01-2007, 10:15 AM
Rockabilly, see the other thread we are meeting at Third Base.
I will send an email soon, stay tuned.
If we dont get a showing towards midseason I might offer my pad but we are talking SW Austin.

Wig, c'mon man, where's the love? Last I heard, folks are absolutely stoked about Third Base! Let's not throw cold water on our party just yet. :)

Rockabilly --- the watch party location of the Austin Fans of the Texans is Third Base.

Specnatz
09-01-2007, 12:18 PM
sadly probably only way to get them to change is for a boycott of watching the game they are playing while the Texans are playing. Once their ratings drop then they will change.

but hopefully this season we won't have to worry, Texans will be winning and once they do, KEYE, will switch over and "reclaim" Official Home of the Texans

Nice thought but what I watch does not effect ratings. Single guys will never have a neilsen box. No i am just sending out emails to advertisers, especially Time Warner since it effects there business as well.