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TK_Gamer
08-27-2007, 11:01 PM
I was just looking at the roster/depth chart and wow! Kubiak is gonna have some very tough decisions to make on friday.

Some of the shocking possiblities I noticed were Mccardell and Bethel Johnson may not make it.

And if they count Mckinney as a guard spot briesel or weary are gonna have to go. If they count him at the center spot chris white, who we all heard was the shocker of the offseason might not make it.

All across the board we are really deep except for defensive secondary, there we still have a log jam, but of equally mediocre players.

It's gonna be really tough to cut down to 55.

btw how many people do we get to put on the practice squad?

ObsiWan
08-27-2007, 11:46 PM
what's going to be interesting - and maybe fun in a twisted sort of way - is to see who rummages around in our discard pile and grabs our cut victims. And where those cut victims end up on those teams' depth charts. I'll be curious to see if any of our cut-tees ended up as 2nd stringers.

In years past, if you didn't make the Texans (with a few exceptions), you were pretty much done

gtexan02
08-28-2007, 12:00 AM
lol, you think weary is in jeopardy of getting cut? Since when do teams cut their starters exactly?

We don't have good depth at any position really. We have an amazing number of 3rd stringers. We have a few 1sts, a few 2nds, and mostly 3rds.

We will field a good team with nice competition, but don't for a second think that the players we let go are going to sign mutli year deals with loads of other teams

the reason most of those guys are here in the 1st place is that we are one of the few teams who actually needed their services

BSofA04
08-28-2007, 12:01 AM
You must be mistaken with Weary because he's our starting RG. No way does Weary get the boot. But you're right about this being a tough cut, the competition is incredible this year compared to previous teams.

Here's some of my cuts....
1. P Stanley...worst clutch punter I've seen
2. FB Cook...fumbilitious costs him his job
3. McCardell...would be great to keep but a one way veteran with no ST play, thus Bethal Johnson gets to stay
4. Alfred Malone/Tim Bulman....too far down the depth chart on d-line
5. Trent Bray....weakest player of a strong LB unit
6. Dexter Wynn....JJ just took your job as punt returner
7. Dexter McCleon/John Walker....not good enough on a bad DB unit
8. Bryan Pittman or Joel Dreessen.....only 1 long snapper needed

Practice Squad
Abbatte, Lundy, Frye, Castaneda and Harrison...all projects who could become quality players next year...except Castaneda. He has to stay on the PS per league rules.

Carr Bombed
08-28-2007, 01:28 AM
Is Lundy still practice squad eligible?

Regardless if he is, I see a team with a extremely shallow RB core picking him up.

PapaL
08-28-2007, 06:01 AM
Lundy played on the Active Roster all of last year; he is not eligible for PS.

Insideop
08-28-2007, 07:44 AM
You must be mistaken with Weary because he's our starting RG. No way does Weary get the boot. But you're right about this being a tough cut, the competition is incredible this year compared to previous teams.

Here's some of my cuts....
1. P Stanley...worst clutch punter I've seen
2. FB Cook...fumbilitious costs him his job
3. McCardell...would be great to keep but a one way veteran with no ST play, thus Bethal Johnson gets to stay
4. Alfred Malone/Tim Bulman....too far down the depth chart on d-line
5. Trent Bray....weakest player of a strong LB unit
6. Dexter Wynn....JJ just took your job as punt returner
7. Dexter McCleon/John Walker....not good enough on a bad DB unit
8. Bryan Pittman or Joel Dreessen.....only 1 long snapper needed

Practice Squad
Abbatte, Lundy, Frye, Castaneda and Harrison...all projects who could become quality players next year...except Castaneda. He has to stay on the PS per league rules.

As stated before, Lundy is not PS eligible. Harrison is listed as our 2nd string SS behind Simmons, so he stays. Also, if they try to put Frye on the PS, he may get picked up by another team. That applys to Zabransky too. But, they may have no choice but to try and put them on the PS. As for Abbatte, I thought he would win the #2 FB position, and he is still listed as their #2 on the depth chart.

Kaiser Toro
08-28-2007, 07:50 AM
I am down to 55 pretty easy and could be at 53 easily if I did not feel that Kubiak is sweet for a couple of folks. Waiting for the Bucs game until I post mine.

V3rm0nt3r
08-28-2007, 08:02 AM
I don't think they will put Abbate on practice.

he's set as the #2 on the depth chart and is making less than Cook and Pass (if he gets a contract).

They'll keep Lundy as an option on offence, and put Walker on PS because if nobody took him in the draft what incentive would they have now.

Zabransky stays active as #3.

PapaL
08-28-2007, 08:20 AM
I think some of our guys will develop a mysterious injury that will land them on IR; i.e. Zabransky.

Abbate should probably PS. I would rather keep Pass active this year while Abbate learns.

I have no issues cutting Lundy and keeping Gado. I would prefer to cut Dayne, but that's not going to happen.

Also, say buh bye Stanley and McCardell.

HOU-TEX
08-28-2007, 09:13 AM
I don't think they will put Abbate on practice.

he's set as the #2 on the depth chart and is making less than Cook and Pass (if he gets a contract).

They'll keep Lundy as an option on offence, and put Walker on PS because if nobody took him in the draft what incentive would they have now.

Zabransky stays active as #3.

I think some of our guys will develop a mysterious injury that will land them on IR; i.e. Zabransky.

Abbate should probably PS. I would rather keep Pass active this year while Abbate learns.

I have no issues cutting Lundy and keeping Gado. I would prefer to cut Dayne, but that's not going to happen.

Also, say buh bye Stanley and McCardell.

I believe Patrick Pass was let go yesterday. :texflag:

TK_Gamer
08-28-2007, 09:18 AM
I dont think we will keep Zabransky on the active roster, probably PS. Kubiak is fine with 2 QB's most of the time. I also dont think we will keep 2 active fullbacks, we have to many guys that can fill in at fullback from other positions. So I think both pass and cook are gonners. I think the game this week will decide alot of the rest. All the brandons are fighting for PS spots.
I think lundy is gone and walker makes the PS, that will be decided this week too. Cook actually looked decent in the Dallas game but I'm not sure how he's been doing in practice. For that matter we havent seen alot of Abate either.

I don't think alot of these potential cuts are gonna start anywhere, but quite a few have played very hard in camp. I guess that's what they are their for though.

nunusguy
08-28-2007, 10:05 AM
I dont think we will keep Zabransky on the active roster, probably PS. Kubiak is fine with 2 QB's most of the time.
Former Boise State quarterback Jared Zabransky's quest to make the Houston Texans as a rookie free agent got a major boost Sunday. The Texans waived quarterbacks Quinton Porter and Bradlee Van Pelt on Sunday, leaving just three quarterbacks on their roster — starter Matt Schaub, reserve Sage Rosenfels and Zabransky.
Zabransky, Boise State's starter for the past three seasons, is 1-for-4 for 19 yards this preseason and has appeared in only one game. Houston plays Thursday at Tampa Bay and it will be his last chance to audition for a spot on the club.
"We're definitely going to play Zabransky a great deal in this game," coach Gary Kubiak said during a Sunday press conference. Kubiak said Schaub may not play in the game.
http://www.idahostatesman.com/newsupdates/story/143101.html
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Kubiak has a dilemma here. If the Z-man looks like crap, he's Kubiaks for the
PS if he still wants him. But if he impresses, Kubiak might have to make him the 3rd QB on his active roster because he might not get past waivers to find his way to our PS.
And the paste above is from the Boise paper as indication that a lot of people
out west will be watching this game.

Porky
08-28-2007, 10:17 AM
I was just looking at the roster/depth chart and wow! Kubiak is gonna have some very tough decisions to make on friday.

Some of the shocking possiblities I noticed were Mccardell and Bethel Johnson may not make it.

And if they count Mckinney as a guard spot briesel or weary are gonna have to go. If they count him at the center spot chris white, who we all heard was the shocker of the offseason might not make it.

All across the board we are really deep except for defensive secondary, there we still have a log jam, but of equally mediocre players.

It's gonna be really tough to cut down to 55.

btw how many people do we get to put on the practice squad?

Weary is gonna have to go? You cannot be serious. I stopped reading right there.

real
08-28-2007, 10:33 AM
Pre Bucs game:

QB: Schaub,Rosy
RB: Green,Dayne,Gado
FB: Leach, Abbate
WR: AJ,KW,JJ,AD,JM,David Anderson
TE: Daniels,Putzier,Bruener
OT: Salaam,Winston,Frye
OG: Weary,Pitts,Briesel,Studdard
C: McKinney, Flannagan,White

DE: Mario, Weaver, Babin, Kalu, Cochran
DT: Okoye, TJ, Maddox, Zgonina
OLB: Greenwood, Clark, Barber, Anderson, Orr
MLB: Demeco, Diles
CB: Dunta,Faggins,Fletcher,Bennett
SS: Simmons, Harrison, Mitchel
FS: Brown, Hutchins

K: Brown
P: Turk
LS: Pittman

Currently my roster is at 54.

-Between Pittman and Flannagan I don't know who'd I'd let walk. Preferably it'd be Flannagan.

-Anderson makes the team over McCardell and Bethel

- Orr Makes the team for his pass rushing

dalemurphy
08-28-2007, 10:36 AM
I don't think they will put Abbate on practice.

he's set as the #2 on the depth chart and is making less than Cook and Pass (if he gets a contract).

They'll keep Lundy as an option on offence, and put Walker on PS because if nobody took him in the draft what incentive would they have now.

Zabransky stays active as #3.

With this year's depth, I think they'll definitely take advantage of the P.S... Zabransky, Abbate, Walker?, Frye?, B.Harrison? could all be there...

To anyone in the know, does Chris White have practice squad eligibility left? I would think that will determine whether he backs up McKinney and Flanagan gets released.

dalemurphy
08-28-2007, 10:41 AM
Pre Bucs game:

QB: Schaub,Rosy
RB: Green,Dayne,Gado
FB: Leach, Abbate
WR: AJ,KW,JJ,AD,JM,David Anderson
TE: Daniels,Putzier,Bruener
OT: Salaam,Winston,Frye
OG: Weary,Pitts,Briesel,Studdard
C: McKinney, Flannagan,White

DE: Mario, Weaver, Babin, Kalu, Cochran
DT: Okoye, TJ, Maddox, Zgonina
OLB: Greenwood, Clark, Barber, Anderson, Orr
MLB: Demeco, Diles
CB: Dunta,Faggins,Fletcher,Bennett
SS: Simmons, Harrison, Mitchel
FS: Brown, Hutchins

K: Brown
P: Turk
LS: Pittman

Currently my roster is at 54.

-Between Pittman and Flannagan I don't know who'd I'd let walk. Preferably it'd be Flannagan.

-Anderson makes the team over McCardell and Bethel

- Orr Makes the team for his pass rushing



1. I don't think Anderson makes the roster
2. Cook makes the team and Abbate goes to P.S.- that makes the most sense depth wise
3. Chris White goes to P.S. if eligible... if he's not, I think Flanagan gets the ax (we only keep 9 olmen)
4. I think Zguniga gets released if we keep 7 LBs because he doesn't play STs, unless he makes it as a deep snapper...
5. Secondary looks right except I think a safety not on the roster takes a spot from Harrison and Harrison goes to the practice squad.

infantrycak
08-28-2007, 11:12 AM
To anyone in the know, does Chris White have practice squad eligibility left? I would think that will determine whether he backs up McKinney and Flanagan gets released.

I think he is still eligible. He was active for one game in 2005 and 7 in 2006. It appears he was not on the practice squad in 2005 (some sort of inactive injury list) but was in 2006. If that is correct he should still be eligible. If he was on Green Bay's practice squad in 2005 then he will not be eligible.

nunusguy
08-28-2007, 11:43 AM
"Orr Makes the team for his pass rushing"
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But with Orrs success vs the Cowboys the other night from the weakside edge, does that not make him a swing-player for OLB-DEs and also make one of those other LBs or Ends even more expendable ?

Cjeremy635
08-28-2007, 11:46 AM
For those of you thinking McCardell will get cut, can he be let go if he has a nagging injury that occurred in training camp? He hasn't played much due to an injury, so I am just purely speculating that he may not be able to be cut. Anyone know the rule?

The Pencil Neck
08-28-2007, 11:50 AM
For those of you thinking McCardell will get cut, can he be let go if he has a nagging injury that occurred in training camp? He hasn't played much due to an injusry, so I am just purely speculating that he may not be able to be cut. Anyone know the rule?

I'm pretty sure you can cut anyone you want. If you can get an injury settlement, then it minimizes any cap-hit you'd have. If we put him on the PUP, then he doesn't take a roster spot but we can delay making the cut/IR decision until later in the year. We can also just IR him which means bye-bye until next year.

Personally, I expect that we'll cut him unless he plays Thursday and looks like a man amongst boys.

Vinny
08-28-2007, 12:01 PM
Weary is gonna have to go? You cannot be serious. I stopped reading right there.
I watched the game at Herv's (http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=59) house and I annoyed the heck out of him constantly pointing to flashes of Weary's dominance against a good Cowboy front 7. :pirate:

PapaL
08-28-2007, 12:07 PM
can someone explain (probably for the millionth time) how the practice squad works? you can place a player on your practice squad and any team can just come along and get him? the player doesn't have to agree?

In essence, you drop the player. He then has to clear waivers; i.e. every team gets a chance at picking up that player - say for 7 days. If no one picks him up you can then pick him up and put him on PS. That's my understanding of it. Also if you pick up a player from someone else's PS you must carry that player on your active roster for the rest of the season. Or so is my understanding of it.

ObsiWan
08-28-2007, 12:22 PM
lol, you think weary is in jeopardy of getting cut? Since when do teams cut their starters exactly?

We don't have good depth at any position really. We have an amazing number of 3rd stringers. We have a few 1sts, a few 2nds, and mostly 3rds.

We will field a good team with nice competition, but don't for a second think that the players we let go are going to sign mutli year deals with loads of other teams

the reason most of those guys are here in the 1st place is that we are one of the few teams who actually needed their services

Philly just cut Jeremiah Trotter. We cut Phillip Buchanon, David Carr (cut, released, same thing)

V3rm0nt3r
08-28-2007, 12:29 PM
With this year's depth, I think they'll definitely take advantage of the P.S... Zabransky, Abbate, Walker?, Frye?, B.Harrison? could all be there...

To anyone in the know, does Chris White have practice squad eligibility left? I would think that will determine whether he backs up McKinney and Flanagan gets released.

Frye and Harrison won't make it past waivers but the other 3 can.

Abbate is unknown, and nobody seemed to notice Z or Walker in the draft.

infantrycak
08-28-2007, 12:40 PM
In essence, you drop the player. He then has to clear waivers; i.e. every team gets a chance at picking up that player - say for 7 days. If no one picks him up you can then pick him up and put him on PS. That's my understanding of it. Also if you pick up a player from someone else's PS you must carry that player on your active roster for the rest of the season. Or so is my understanding of it.

Part way there. Once the player clears waivers any team can sign him to their practice squad. Once a player is on the practice squad he can still be signed by any other team. The restriction is that once the player signs with the other team he must be on the active roster for three games. After they are through those three games, the process starts over if they want to try to get the player to their practice squad.

euro-Texan
08-28-2007, 12:46 PM
Most of the posts show who we will cut in order to get to 53 players. The the talk is who will get picked up by other teams. I see our roster going down to 50-51, because we surely will be in the market for cut players from other teams. Especially in the safety department. Am I wrong in assuming that after each team makes their cuts, you have to cut an additional player for every on you pick up?

ObsiWan
08-28-2007, 12:48 PM
Pre Bucs game:

QB: Schaub,Rosy
RB: Green,Dayne,Gado
FB: Leach, Abbate
WR: AJ,KW,JJ,AD,JM,David Anderson
TE: Daniels,Putzier,Bruener
OT: Salaam,Winston,Frye
OG: Weary,Pitts,Briesel,Studdard
C: McKinney, Flannagan,White

DE: Mario, Weaver, Babin, Kalu, Cochran
DT: Okoye, TJ, Maddox, Zgonina
OLB: Greenwood, Clark, Barber, Anderson, Orr
MLB: Demeco, Diles
CB: Dunta,Faggins,Fletcher,Bennett
SS: Simmons, Harrison, Mitchel
FS: Brown, Hutchins

K: Brown
P: Turk
LS: Pittman

Currently my roster is at 54.

-Between Pittman and Flannagan I don't know who'd I'd let walk. Preferably it'd be Flannagan.

-Anderson makes the team over McCardell and Bethel

- Orr Makes the team for his pass rushing

Anderson has another year of PS eligibility. They may try and stash him there and keep McCardell (experience) or B.Johnson (speed/ST)

Also, last week, Kubiak came out and said that he was keeping four TEs, especially since Dreessen could also play FB. If Kubiak hasn't changed his mind, Dreessen stays.

I think that Abbate joins Frye, Anderson, and Walker on the practice squad. Cook will be the 2nd string FB. But if Abbate plays and Cook gets cut, I won't be too terribly broken-hearted.

Lastly, I'd rather Chris White be kept and Flanagan get cut or traded; White has more upside than Flanagan, IMO.

ObsiWan
08-28-2007, 12:57 PM
Part way there. Once the player clears waivers any team can sign him to their practice squad. Once a player is on the practice squad he can still be signed by any other team. The restriction is that once the player signs with the other team he must be on the active roster for three games. After they are through those three games, the process starts over if they want to try to get the player to their practice squad.

Let me walk thru this...

- Team A puts player X on waivers.
- Team B picks X up off waivers and must carry him on the active roster for 3 games, minimum.
- Team B decides X isn't ready for prime time and wants to put him on their practice squad but first has to put X on waivers one more time.
- At this time Team A has a shot to get him back - assuming there's no Team C (that drafted ahead of them) who has also been eyeing X.
- If Team A grabs X back, then X must put him on the Team A active roster for three of their games.

Correct?

brakos82
08-28-2007, 12:59 PM
Let me walk thru this...

- Team A puts player X on waivers.
- Team B picks X up off waivers and must carry him on the active roster for 3 games, minimum.
- Team B decides X isn't ready for prime time and wants to put him on their practice squad but first has to put X on waivers one more time.
- At this time Team A has a shot to get him back - assuming there's no Team C (that drafted ahead of them) who has also been eyeing X.
- If Team A grabs X back, then X must put him on the Team A active roster for three of their games.

Correct?

Go Q yourself... :bat:

infantrycak
08-28-2007, 01:00 PM
Also, last week, Kubiak came out and said that he was keeping four TEs, especially since Dreessen could also play FB. If Kubiak hasn't changed his mind, Dreessen stays..

What he said was they were making a tough decision on whether to keep three or four TE's.

infantrycak
08-28-2007, 01:03 PM
Let me walk thru this...

- Team A puts player X on waivers.
- Team B picks X up off waivers and must carry him on the active roster for 3 games, minimum.
- Team B decides X isn't ready for prime time and wants to put him on their practice squad but first has to put X on waivers one more time.
- At this time Team A has a shot to get him back - assuming there's no Team C (that drafted ahead of them) who has also been eyeing X.
- If Team A grabs X back, then X must put him on the Team A active roster for three of their games.

Correct?

Not quite.

Team A puts player X on waivers.

Either Team B picks him up off waivers and he is on their roster until such time as cut or any Team can signs him to their practice squad after he clears waivers.

If Team B picks the PS option then Team C (which could be Team A) can sign the player at any time from the PS but must place him on the active roster for three games.

After those three games, Team C can waive the player. Once through the waiver process, the player can be signed once again by any Team straight to their practice squad.

ObsiWan
08-28-2007, 01:12 PM
What he said was they were making a tough decision on whether to keep three or four TE's.

Okay. He didn't say they'd DEFINITELY keep four TEs....


Tight end tinkering: Kubiak said the team will likely carry four tight ends on the roster this season. And the versatility of the players competing for those four spots has forced the coaches into a highly complex decision-making process.



from.... http://www.houstontexans.com/news/Story.asp?story_id=3531



(on the how many tight ends he will carry) “I’ve carried four most of the time with most of the teams I’ve been with. But I’ve seen it done with three. If you are doing it with three, you’ll probably definitely have two fullbacks here. And sometimes maybe six back. You know, it’s funny, those number, you play with them every day- I sit up on my board and play with those numbers and we talk about this and if we pull one from here, we can add one to here. It’s like a chess match. The things that always comes into to play, and I know that I’m killing you saying this, it’s just what they do for Joe (Marciano).”

from... http://www.houstontexans.com/news/Story.asp?story_id=3529

What I took from those quotes was he was having a tough time deciding who would be TE #4.
But you could be right.

Goldensilence
08-28-2007, 01:22 PM
I think it's a push on Abbate and Cook. While Cook didn't look bad against the cowboys there is still a black cloud there IMO.

I'm also thinking Frye will make the roster cause he won't clear waivers too much upside.

I thinkMcCardell and Johnson are the odd men out at WR. Funny how a year can turn a weakness at WR into one of our deepest spots. Same goes for LB. Really hoping Clark gets the starting job.

So we're really debating keeping 4 TEs?! I just think we could find a more valuble roster spot then that 4th TE.

The Pencil Neck
08-28-2007, 01:33 PM
So we're really debating keeping 4 TEs?! I just think we could find a more valuble roster spot then that 4th TE.

Some teams go 4 wide, we go 4 TE.

But seriously, Kubiak has said that Dreessen can play fullback. So this might be a consideration for just going with 1 FB, putting Abbate on the PS, and then letting that open another roster spot.

kiwitexansfan
08-28-2007, 01:40 PM
Some teams go 4 wide, we go 4 TE.

But seriously, Kubiak has said that Dreessen can play fullback. So this might be a consideration for just going with 1 FB, putting Abbate on the PS, and then letting that open another roster spot.

Dressen also is a long snapper. The guys is seriously versatile, he could fill 3 roster spots himself. Whose to say we don't keep Dressen and go with 1 FB and Pittman is gone.

The Pencil Neck
08-28-2007, 01:42 PM
Dressen also is a long snapper. The guys is seriously versatile, he could fill 3 roster spots himself. Whose to say we don't keep Dressen and go with 1 FB and Pittman is gone.

Don't mess with the LS.

Just. Don't. Do. It.

HOU-TEX
08-28-2007, 01:44 PM
Some teams go 4 wide, we go 4 TE.

But seriously, Kubiak has said that Dreessen can play fullback. So this might be a consideration for just going with 1 FB, putting Abbate on the PS, and then letting that open another roster spot.

True. You reminded me of a play the other night in which Walter went in motion from the left and lined up at FB. He actually made a block to help achieve a first down. Pretty cool play.:cool:

Sorry to go a little off-topic.:)

beerlover
08-28-2007, 03:06 PM
several projections have all rookie draft picks making the team or at least on p.s. thats gonna be Rick Smiths m.o. things are changing around here it
just takes time. heres hoping they go with talent/youth bite the bullet & focus on developing the future now :cowboy1:

kravix
08-28-2007, 04:45 PM
Here is my starting and # 2 roster that rounds out at 50.

QB- Schaub, Sage
WR- AJ, Walter, JJ, Mathis, Davis (6th would be Anderson or B Johnson)
T- Salaam, Winston, Black, Frye (Spencer doesnt count on the reserve PUP)
G- Pitts, Weary, Studdard, Mckinney (Mckinney may start at C, but injuries could move him back over)
C- Flannagan, White
T- Daniels, Bruenor, Putzier
RB- Green, Dayne, Gado (lundy has a chance at #4 if we keep that many)
FB- Leach, Cook (Cook fumbled 2 times last year, the only 2 fumbles of his career.. it happens.. Abbate goes to PS)

DE- Williams, Weaver, Babin, Kalu
DT- Okoye, TJ, Maddox, Zgonina
LB- Ryans, Greenwood, Anderson, Clark, Barber, Diles (Orr could make this list, but there isnt much depth behind Greenwood, so Barber stays.. I wouldnt expect to see Diles on PS since he was a draft pick and supposedly good ST player)
CB- DRob, Faggins, Fletcher, Bennett
DB- CC, Simmons, Harrison, Von Hutchins (VH is a corner and safety so he gives some added depth on that side)

P- Turk
K- Brown
LS- Pittman (dont fool yourself, this guy is #3 when it comes to the kicking game and isnt going anywhere)

My Practive Squad

Abbate, Zabransky, David Anderson (if eligible), Brandon Mitchell, Walker, and Castaneda(he doesnt count towards the 5 because he is an international PS player). If they choose to put White on the PS again I would think that David Anderson gets the boot.

Overall there is still room for some odd players in here, Tyrone Poole, Orr, Dressen, Brisel, Cochran alll have shots of getting picked up as the odd man out in their position.

As far as cuts.. B Johnson, McCardel, Wynn, McCleon, Poole, and Dressen are the only players I see even having a chance at another roster. And most of those are 3rd string filling vacated spots from injuries.

The Pencil Neck
08-28-2007, 05:19 PM
Here is my starting and # 2 roster that rounds out at 50.

<snip>
As far as cuts.. B Johnson, McCardel, Wynn, McCleon, Poole, and Dressen are the only players I see even having a chance at another roster. And most of those are 3rd string filling vacated spots from injuries.

The guys I have problems letting go are:

Scott Jackson - He's been doing really well as the #2 RT, I think.
Matt Brisiel
Earl Cochran - I can't see us letting him go.
Joel Dreessen - I know Kubiak is really pondering ways to keep him.
Shantee Orr

With Dreessen doubling as a FB, I think we let Cook go and carry 4 TE's.

Double Barrel
08-28-2007, 05:45 PM
I watched the game at Herv's (http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=59) house and I annoyed the heck out of him constantly pointing to flashes of Weary's dominance against a good Cowboy front 7. :pirate:

Too bad Weary is part of the 'worst.o-line.evar'! :sarcasm:

Have we seen much of Abbate? Everyone seems to be high on the guy, but I just don't recall him making much of an impact (if any).

Isn't Zgonina a long snapper, too? Kubiak is big on multi-purpose guys, so he might edge out the competition because of his versatility.

The Pencil Neck
08-28-2007, 06:28 PM
Too bad Weary is part of the 'worst.o-line.evar'! :sarcasm:

Have we seen much of Abbate? Everyone seems to be high on the guy, but I just don't recall him making much of an impact (if any).

Isn't Zgonina a long snapper, too? Kubiak is big on multi-purpose guys, so he might edge out the competition because of his versatility.


Abbate has been out there some. He's made some blocks and caught a pass. I think he's made a tackle on ST, too.

From one of Kubiak's last press conference, I don't think Pittman's going anywhere. Zgonina is a multi-position guy but do you really want your LS to be an old DT? That's tempting fate.

V3rm0nt3r
08-28-2007, 08:23 PM
QB-Schaub, Rosenfels, Zabransky
HB-Green, Dayne, Gado, Lundy
FB- Leach, Abbate
LT- Salaam, Black
LG- Pitts, Studdard
C- Flannagan, Mckinney
RG-Weary, Mckinney
RT- Winston, Jackson
TE- Daniels, Bruener, Putzier
WR- AJ, JJ, Walter, Anderson, Davis, Mathis

DE- Williams, Weaver, Babin, Kalu
DT- Okoye, TJ, Maddox, Zgonina
Sam- Clark, Anderson
Mike- Ryans, Diles
Will- Greenwood, Barber
CB- Dunta, Faggins, Fletcher, Bennet, Poole
FS-CC, Von H.,
SS- Simmons, Harrison

K- Brown (your killing me)
P- Turk
LS- Zgonina

Runner
08-28-2007, 09:04 PM
Too bad Weary is part of the 'worst.o-line.evar'!

If I recall correctly, Weary wasn't part of those good o-lines in 2004 and 2005. He was so deep in Joe "The Talent Evaluation Genius" Pendry's doghouse he only got on the field if there were multiple injuries.

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Let's compare to 2004, the Texans best year so far, to what we have now.

Wade - Wiegert - McKinney - Pitts - Wand

Winston - Weary - McKinney - Pitts - Salaam

The coaching was so screwed up back then that direct comparison is difficult. Add the fact that they were protecting the sack machine and it is even blurrier.

Wade - Winston. Wade was a seasoned veteran and fairly covted free agent, Winston is going into his second year. This is about a wash. Winston may end up better than Wade in the end, but that is yet to be proven. Pendry took Wade out of the game mentally.

Wiegert - Weary. Edge to the pre-injuries Wiegert, with the bonus that Weary was the back-up.

McKinney is McKinney, but younger.

Pitts is Pitts, but less experienced.

Wand - Salaam. Wand was better physically than Salaam but he was raw. This is one position that needed time to develop, like Winston is getting now. Salaam is passable but certainly on the downside of his career. Pitts was the back-up LT in 2004, and I think I'd take him over Black.

I'm not sure this year's line is as good as the one they had in 2004, and if you check my posts from back then I was a huge defender of the o-line, with the exception of McKinney at center. I was blaming the sacks on Carr scrambling into the defensive ends before that was popular. :)

The 2004 offense did pretty well passing and running with Bradford at second receiver, Davis at running back, Miller/Breuner at tight end, and Carr at quarterback. I think they'd have been more impressive with a Jacoby Jones, Ahman Green, Owen Daniels, and a Matt Schaub.

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I hope this line does well and turns into the unit many think they are right now. As people move away from "The Texans had the worst o-line ever", I wonder if they care to follow that thought through to the end. We had a good o-line in 2004 that was ruined by coaching and quarterbacking. A strong argument can be made that it was better than this year's line. Had that unit stuck together with better coaching and surrounding talent like this year's team, 2005 would have been completely different.

Any takers?

Runner
08-28-2007, 09:07 PM
If you can get an injury settlement, then it minimizes any cap-hit you'd have.

IIRC, Todd Wade's injury settlement was in the neighborhood of $260K. It had no effect in reducing the cap hit from the remaining signing bonus due him. It just "allowed" the Texans to cut an injured player.

BattleRedToro
08-28-2007, 09:21 PM
My Practive Squad

Abbate, Zabransky, David Anderson (if eligible), Brandon Mitchell, Walker, and Castaneda(he doesnt count towards the 5 because he is an international PS player). If they choose to put White on the PS again I would think that David Anderson gets the boot.

If I remember correctly, the Practice Squad can be up to 8 players not just 5, and I'm not sure if Castaneda counts towards the 8.

Señor Stan
08-29-2007, 06:06 AM
If I remember correctly, the Practice Squad can be up to 8 players not just 5, and I'm not sure if Castaneda counts towards the 8.

The Practice squad is 8. Only 11 teams were given international players. Castañeda will not count towards the total.

The Texans can have 9 including Castañeda.

Double Barrel
08-29-2007, 03:47 PM
If I recall correctly, Weary wasn't part of those good o-lines in 2004 and 2005. He was so deep in Joe "The Talent Evaluation Genius" Pendry's doghouse he only got on the field if there were multiple injuries.

Obviously I was attempting sarcasm with my 'worst.o-line.evar' blast.

Technically, it is considered the entire line - and every player - from 2002 to 2006, based upon national media perceptions (which are never wrong, 'eh? ;))

We're not far from agreement - if we disagree at all - that problems we've had are multi-faceted and due to a variety of issues ranging from poor coaching to bad players.

Runner
08-29-2007, 05:28 PM
Obviously I was attempting sarcasm with my 'worst.o-line.evar' blast.



I wasn't serious about Weary either, excpet to point out the coaching problems the players have lived through. Game or not, I bet some of them didn't enjoy going to work int eh mornings.

V3rm0nt3r
08-29-2007, 05:42 PM
I could probably find this out on another post but I am way to lazy to read through threads.

so...

when are cuts?

complete waste of a thread huh?

buffalo2006
08-29-2007, 05:43 PM
We could try and work Dayne at fullback some and only carry one FB and use Dayne if needed? That would open up another position

alphajoker
08-29-2007, 05:44 PM
I believe that the last cuts need to be made by Sept. 1. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

Twitch-Houston
08-29-2007, 05:52 PM
I believe that the last cuts need to be made by Sept. 1. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

I believe that is correct, but I think Kube said that they'll make them Friday.

Wolf
08-29-2007, 09:01 PM
http://www.cw15.com/sports/story.aspx?content_id=9b870013-538c-4990-8a9f-b331db146b61

their predictions

Below we take our stab at predicting how the 53-man roster of the 2007 Houston Texans will take shape:

QB (2): Matt Schaub, Sage Rosenfels

RB (5): Ahman Green, Ron Dayne, Wali Lundy, Vonta Leach (FB), Jameel Cook (FB)

WR (6): Andre Johnson, Kevin Walter, Jacoby Jones, Andre' Davis, David Anderson, Jerome Mathis (RS)

TE (3): Owen Daniels, Jeb Putzier, Mark Bruener

OL (10): LT Ephraim Salaam, LG Chester Pitts, C Steve McKinney, RG Fred Weary, RT Eric Winston, C Mike Flanagan, T Jordan Black, C/G Drew Hodgdon, T Brandon Frye, G Kasey Studdard, (T Charles Spencer)

DL (9): DE Mario Williams, DE Shantee Orr, DT Amobi Akoye, DT Travis Johnson, DT Anthony Maddox, DE Anthony Weaver, DT Jeff Zgonina, DE Jason Babin, DE N.D. Kalu

LB (6): MLB DeMeco Ryans, SLB Danny Clark, WLB Morlon Greenwood, LB Charlie Anderson, LB Shawn Barber, LB Zach Diles

DB (9): DB Dunta Robinson, CB Demarcus Faggins, FS C.C. Brown, SS Jason Simmons, CB Jamar Fletcher, CB Fred Bennett, S Von Hutchins, S Brandon Harrison, CB Tyrone Poole

SP (3): K Kris Brown, P Matt Turk, LS Bryan Pittman

Outside Looking In: QB Jared Zabransky, RB Samkon Gado, RB Chris Taylor, FB Jon Abbate, WR Keenan McCardell, WR Bethel Johnson, TE Joel Dreessen, G Scott Jackson, CB Dexter McCleon, CB Dexter Wynn, P Chad Stanley

barrett
08-30-2007, 05:51 AM
QB- Schaub, Sage
HB- Green, Dayne, Gado
FB- Leach, Abbate(ST)
WR- Johnson, Walter, Jones(PR), Davis, Mathis(KR)
TE- Daniels, Bruener, Putzier, Dreessen(LS)
T- Salaam, Winston, Black, Jackson
G- Pitts, Weary, Studdard
C- McKinney(G), Flannigan

DE- Williams, Weaver, Babin, Kalu, Cochran
DT- Okoye, Johnson, Maddox, Zgonina
LB- Ryans, Clark, Greenwood, Anderson, Barber, Diles
CB- Robinson, Faggins, Fletcher, Bennett
S- Brown, Simmons, Huchins, Harrison,

K- Brown
P- Turk

I'm torn if I keep Wynn, McCleon, Bray, Orr I'm thinking Orr stays as something... I have guys like Barber and Abbate that make the team as ST guys where we don't really require the depth. Who fills those last three spots? Who do you remove from my list and replace?

Practice squad guys are:
Zebransky, White, Mitchell

Overalls
08-30-2007, 06:32 AM
Even though I am at work already, it is too early for me to think. However I think we MAY carry one more OG, OT and WR than what is on your list.

Our final roster spots could also come down to what kind of players are waved in the final cuts off of other teams. We could pick up an extra DB if a good (for us) gets cut.

:fans:

mancunian
08-30-2007, 07:06 AM
You think Dreessen gets in ahead of Pittman as LS?

personally think they'll carry one more DB - you can never have enough of those when you play the Colts twice.

HOU-TEX
08-30-2007, 09:01 AM
http://www.cw15.com/sports/story.aspx?content_id=9b870013-538c-4990-8a9f-b331db146b61

their predictions

Where's the love for Cochran? He's had a very solid camp and pre-season. :d:

The Pencil Neck
08-30-2007, 09:57 AM
It's going to be a shame to lose Frye and Brisiel. I think Pittman stays as longsnapper; Kubiak has almost come right out and said that. I think we'll probably keep Orr; he plays ST, he plays LB, and he can be used as a situational rusher. I think White stays in the center mix.

barrett
08-30-2007, 12:54 PM
It's going to be a shame to lose Frye and Brisiel. I think Pittman stays as longsnapper; Kubiak has almost come right out and said that. I think we'll probably keep Orr; he plays ST, he plays LB, and he can be used as a situational rusher. I think White stays in the center mix.

The only reason I think he might keep Dreessen is that he's a "tweener" as Kubiak says. He can do both LS and TE. It's one more spot that they can use on somebody else.

And I thing White goes to the PS. I hope we've found our future. I know McKinney still has several years in him and Flannigan at least a few more but I'd love to have our line solidified for the next 10 years. (assuming Spencer ever makes it back.)

TexanAddict
08-30-2007, 12:58 PM
Below we take our stab at predicting how the 53-man roster of the 2007 Houston Texans will take shape:

QB (2): Matt Schaub, Sage Rosenfels

RB (5): Ahman Green, Ron Dayne, Wali Lundy, Vonta Leach (FB), Jameel Cook (FB)

WR (6): Andre Johnson, Kevin Walter, Jacoby Jones, Andre' Davis, David Anderson, Jerome Mathis (RS)

TE (3): Owen Daniels, Jeb Putzier, Mark Bruener

OL (10): LT Ephraim Salaam, LG Chester Pitts, C Steve McKinney, RG Fred Weary, RT Eric Winston, C Mike Flanagan, T Jordan Black, C/G Drew Hodgdon, T Brandon Frye, G Kasey Studdard, (T Charles Spencer)

DL (9): DE Mario Williams, DE Shantee Orr, DT Amobi Akoye, DT Travis Johnson, DT Anthony Maddox, DE Anthony Weaver, DT Jeff Zgonina, DE Jason Babin, DE N.D. Kalu

LB (6): MLB DeMeco Ryans, SLB Danny Clark, WLB Morlon Greenwood, LB Charlie Anderson, LB Shawn Barber, LB Zach Diles

DB (9): DB Dunta Robinson, CB Demarcus Faggins, FS C.C. Brown, SS Jason Simmons, CB Jamar Fletcher, CB Fred Bennett, S Von Hutchins, S Brandon Harrison, CB Tyrone Poole

SP (3): K Kris Brown, P Matt Turk, LS Bryan Pittman

Outside Looking In: QB Jared Zabransky, RB Samkon Gado, RB Chris Taylor, FB Jon Abbate, WR Keenan McCardell, WR Bethel Johnson, TE Joel Dreessen, G Scott Jackson, CB Dexter McCleon, CB Dexter Wynn, P Chad Stanley

I really can't argue much with this, except I think Gado has an equal shot at making the roster as Lundy, and I think Mathis is ahead of both Davis and Anderson on the WR depth chart.

TexanAddict
08-30-2007, 12:59 PM
I think White stays in the center mix.

I would also like to see White kept in place of Hodgdon

Texans Horror
08-30-2007, 01:28 PM
Hodgdon needs to go. He's been given multiple chances to prove himself, but never materialized.

TexansSeminole
08-30-2007, 02:03 PM
Pre Bucs game:

QB: Schaub,Rosy
RB: Green,Dayne,Gado
FB: Leach, Abbate
WR: AJ,KW,JJ,AD,JM,David Anderson
TE: Daniels,Putzier,Bruener
OT: Salaam,Winston,Frye
OG: Weary,Pitts,Briesel,Studdard
C: McKinney, Flannagan,White

DE: Mario, Weaver, Babin, Kalu, Cochran
DT: Okoye, TJ, Maddox, Zgonina
OLB: Greenwood, Clark, Barber, Anderson, Orr
MLB: Demeco, Diles
CB: Dunta,Faggins,Fletcher,Bennett
SS: Simmons, Harrison, Mitchel
FS: Brown, Hutchins

K: Brown
P: Turk
LS: Pittman

Currently my roster is at 54.

-Between Pittman and Flannagan I don't know who'd I'd let walk. Preferably it'd be Flannagan.

-Anderson makes the team over McCardell and Bethel

- Orr Makes the team for his pass rushing



I'd have to say I agree pretty much 100% with this.