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badboy
08-15-2007, 03:07 PM
Today's Chronicle says Kubes decided to leave CC Brown at free & start Jason Simmons at strong. I thought Brown was a natural SS and I looked forward to what he could do now that Earl is out. Hutchins imo earned a shot at FS with his game play. Nothing against Simmons; but I'd be disappointed if I was Hutchins. I know Kubes will start the best two, but this did catch me off guard.

JohnsonFan
08-15-2007, 03:09 PM
well we had no idea what was coming i mean this caught everyone off gaurd with earls injury kubi needed to work something up and fast

badboy
08-15-2007, 03:24 PM
well we had no idea what was coming i mean this caught everyone off gaurd with earls injury kubi needed to work something up and fastBut did you think Simmons was better for SS than CC?

real
08-15-2007, 03:26 PM
Since we don't have anyone proven that can respectably play FS for us other than C.C I understand the move...I really wanted to see CC back at SS , but I can understand not wanting Von Hutchins or Simmons to compete to be our last line of defense...I could see Von Hutchins making mistakes and I can see Simmons just being physically beat....often...

The competition now is perfect...

If Von Hutchins steps up and proves he can play FS Simmons slides out and
C.C slides down....

We all ready know Simmons is going to atleast be respectable at SS...

I think they have been looking to move C.C back to SS for a while now though....That's why there was all the talk about finding a play maker at the FS position and that is why they jumped the gun and almost made an irrational move...The fact that Kubiak said "C.C is a natural SS" let me know we were on the same page....

threetoedpete
08-15-2007, 03:28 PM
Today's Chronicle says Kubes decided to leave CC Brown at free & start Jason Simmons at strong. I thought Brown was a natural SS and I looked forward to what he could do now that Earl is out. Hutchins imo earned a shot at FS with his game play. Nothing against Simmons; but I'd be disappointed if I was Hutchins. I know Kubes will start the best two, but this did catch me off guard.

That's two of us. Matt Stevens part II.

Vinny
08-15-2007, 03:28 PM
this is what the preseason is for...finding out what you got when guys go down.

threetoedpete
08-15-2007, 03:33 PM
this is what the preseason is for...finding out what you got when guys go down.

C.C. Brown has sucked for two seasons at FS. He canot, will not ever be able to paly in space. Watching flounder around another sixteen games is only going to confirm all of this. Giving him more reps so he might have an epiphany of some sort ain't going to work. He can not make palys. He bites on fakes and he sucks as a FS.

real
08-15-2007, 03:44 PM
C.C. Brown has sucked for two seasons at FS. He canot, will not ever be able to paly in space. Watching flounder around another sixteen games is only going to confirm all of this. Giving him more reps so he might have an epiphany of some sort ain't going to work. He can not make palys. He bites on fakes and he sucks as a FS.

C.C doesn't bite on fakes...

He's not great at coverage and he doesn't have great insticnts as far as pass coverage and timing goes...

So because of this he over compensates by trying to keep everything in front of him and make safe plays...He doesn't take risk and because of his 'safe' play WR's can get some easy pickings...But at the same time he's not normally going to be caught in a position where he gives up a big play...

It's like a slow guy trying to hold a quick guy in basketball....The slower guy is going to back off the quicker guy because de doesn't want the ball handler to just drive past him and dunk...So he'll back off and make him eran it with his jumper...If you're connecting on those jumpers then we're just going to be in trouble....

JohnsonFan
08-15-2007, 03:50 PM
But did you think Simmons was better for SS than CC? no way i was just saying we cant be mad at kubi this must have been hard for him

badboy
08-15-2007, 04:11 PM
I wished I could say I feel better about our D backs but I do not. It is still early and maybe someone will step up.

ObsiWan
08-15-2007, 04:28 PM
this is what the preseason is for...finding out what you got when guys go down.

Listen to the man....

This is a preseason experiment. Just like seeing if Clark is better than Charlie Anderson. Remember in OTAs, how Kubiak was going on about how Anderson and Orr were slugging it out for that OLB spot. Not a single word about Danny Clark being in the mix that I remember. Yet, here he is starting in P/S game #2 over the two guys coach had been raving and raving about.

The Pencil Neck
08-15-2007, 04:48 PM
Listen to the man....

This is a preseason experiment. Just like seeing if Clark is better than Charlie Anderson. Remember in OTAs, how Kubiak was going on about how Anderson and Orr were slugging it out for that OLB spot. Not a single word about Danny Clark being in the mix that I remember. Yet, here he is starting in P/S game #2 over the two guys coach had been raving and raving about.

And to continue on...

Remember when Danny Clark was signed and he said he wanted to come to a place where he'd have a chance to start. :)

What I found interesting was Diles saying that Danny and Demeco were spending a lot of time helping him out and that the three of them hung out a lot together.

the wonger need food
08-15-2007, 05:54 PM
C.C doesn't bite on fakes...

He's not great at coverage and he doesn't have great insticnts as far as pass coverage and timing goes...

So because of this he over compensates by trying to keep everything in front of him and make safe plays...He doesn't take risk and because of his 'safe' play WR's can get some easy pickings...But at the same time he's not normally going to be caught in a position where he gives up a big play...

Shhhh... don't tell Lee Evans and the Buffalo Bills...

kiwitexansfan
08-15-2007, 06:32 PM
I think the idea with leaving CC at FS and putting Simmons at SS is to cause as little disruption as possible. This way only one starter changes.

I do believe however that if Von Huthcins makes an irresistable case to be the FS that Kubiak would not hesitate in making that change.

ObsiWan
08-15-2007, 07:11 PM
Looks like Kubiak fooled the Sports Xchange "experts" too...

http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/teams/report/HOU/10296476


PLAYER OF THE WEEK
CB Von Hutchins is appearing to make a seamless transition to free safety. He was playing free safety with the second team in the first preseason game against the Bears when he caught an interception and returned it 20 yards. Hutchins' versatility could end up playing a bigger role this week now that Glenn Earl is out for a significant amount of time with a left foot injury. Hutchins is running with the second team and could move to starting free safety while C.C. Brown moves to his more natural position of strong safety.

GK fooled them too with his experiment.


I found this interesting too....
LB Zac Diles has good athleticism and could be the biggest surprise of the draft class. He is backing up DeMeco Ryans and led the defense for the final three quarters (is that right?) of the preseason game. He finished with a team-leading six tackles and one pass defensed.

JohnsonFan
08-15-2007, 07:19 PM
Looks like Kubiak fooled the Sports Xchange "experts" too...

http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/teams/report/HOU/10296476


GK fooled them too with his experiment.


I found this interesting too....

Gary is just such a kidder isnt he ...

Matt
08-15-2007, 07:23 PM
That's two of us. Matt Stevens part II.

I have a basset hound that could play safety better than Matt Stevens ever did.

eriadoc
08-15-2007, 08:16 PM
<--- !!

War Jason Simmons.

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HJam72
08-15-2007, 09:05 PM
If we're so big on Simmons, lets just play him, but still use Hutchins at FS.

I don't like CC at FS. I don't like CC at FS. I don't like CC at FS. Are you seeing a pattern here?

eriadoc
08-15-2007, 11:12 PM
If we're so big on Simmons, lets just play him, but still use Hutchins at FS.

I don't like CC at FS. I don't like CC at FS. I don't like CC at FS. Are you seeing a pattern here?

Well, realistically, Simmons is probably not good enough to man the position long-term. He's been in the NFL for a decade, and he's had chances to earn a spot. He fills his role very well, though, and he is a hard-working, stand-up quality guy. Every football team needs a few guys like Simmons, and they go unheralded for the work they do. I'm a big Simmons fan, but he's not the long-term (even a full season) answer at S (any S). He hits HARD, though :)

JohnsonFan
08-15-2007, 11:19 PM
Well, realistically, Simmons is probably not good enough to man the position long-term. He's been in the NFL for a decade, and he's had chances to earn a spot. He fills his role very well, though, and he is a hard-working, stand-up quality guy. Every football team needs a few guys like Simmons, and they go unheralded for the work they do. I'm a big Simmons fan, but he's not the long-term (even a full season) answer at S (any S). He hits HARD, though :)

simmons i think possibly could make it long term

The Pencil Neck
08-15-2007, 11:37 PM
If we're so big on Simmons, lets just play him, but still use Hutchins at FS.

I don't like CC at FS. I don't like CC at FS. I don't like CC at FS. Are you seeing a pattern here?


What do you think about CC at FS? :shades:

badboy
08-16-2007, 08:52 AM
Listen to the man....

This is a preseason experiment. Just like seeing if Clark is better than Charlie Anderson. Remember in OTAs, how Kubiak was going on about how Anderson and Orr were slugging it out for that OLB spot. Not a single word about Danny Clark being in the mix that I remember. Yet, here he is starting in P/S game #2 over the two guys coach had been raving and raving about.CC Brown is a veteran STARTER on this team. If Kubes went to him and said, "I know what you can do, but I want to give another player some reps with 1st team. I trust your skills at FS." I would have no questions. This might have happened but I do not think so. Management is pretty good about being open with this type stuff (see LB position that was in paper the 15th & today). I trust Kubes but this seemed out of character for him. I am not against the move just surprised me as I've said.

badboy
08-16-2007, 08:58 AM
I think the idea with leaving CC at FS and putting Simmons at SS is to cause as little disruption as possible. This way only one starter changes.

I do believe however that if Von Huthcins makes an irresistable case to be the FS that Kubiak would not hesitate in making that change.Sorry, I can't buy this. TC and these games are to evaluate what you have. There is constant flow of players in and out. Things should start to solidify with the 3rd game and even more so the last. By first regular season game, most positions should be set barring injuries. My confusion stemmed from Brown imo being better @SS than anyone else. Since he had not played there recently, I thought he'd get first reps with others coming in to share. Maybe Brown is better at free that I think OR everyone else is much worse than he.

kravix
08-16-2007, 09:55 AM
Brown has taken the FS snaps for 2 years. He will have a small learning curve going back to SS. I think leaving him at FS for the moment is better for the secondary. If Brown was moved and Von Hutchins moved up they would both be stuggling to communicate. This way Brown knows what he supposed to be doing, and can communicate with Simmons easier than he would if he moved over.

Besides the fact that Von Hutchins has looked good, he is still a corner converting to a safety postion, and there is alot of room for error. In the long run he may work out as the better FS, but right now CC is the better FS of the two and will command the playing time.

real
08-16-2007, 09:59 AM
Brown has taken the FS snaps for 2 years.

Last year was C.C's first year at FS


If Von Hutchins proves he can consistently make plays at the FS position he will slide in, Simmons will slide out, and C.C will slide down...

He has 3 games to make a move...

CloakNNNdagger
08-16-2007, 10:04 AM
Brown has taken the FS snaps for 2 years. He will have a small learning curve going back to SS. I think leaving him at FS for the moment is better for the secondary. If Brown was moved and Von Hutchins moved up they would both be stuggling to communicate. This way Brown knows what he supposed to be doing, and can communicate with Simmons easier than he would if he moved over.

Besides the fact that Von Hutchins has looked good, he is still a corner converting to a safety postion, and there is alot of room for error. In the long run he may work out as the better FS, but right now CC is the better FS of the two and will command the playing time.

I'm not so sure I buy this approach IFthey feel that Von Hutchins has a significant chance of taking the FS position a little into the season. TC and preseason is the best time to "experiment" and have a unit learn to "communicate." These are things that you don't want to mess with in the middle of a season.

DocBar
08-16-2007, 10:59 AM
Sorry, I can't buy this. TC and these games are to evaluate what you have. There is constant flow of players in and out. Things should start to solidify with the 3rd game and even more so the last. By first regular season game, most positions should be set barring injuries. My confusion stemmed from Brown imo being better @SS than anyone else. Since he had not played there recently, I thought he'd get first reps with others coming in to share. Maybe Brown is better at free that I think OR everyone else is much worse than he. In the 3rd game, I think we'll see the team that we'll see on the field against the Chiefs. The 3rd game is usually considered the final tune for the starters and the 4th game is the final chance for the bubble boys to earn a spot. Since I don't have my #$%^%$ Direct TV set up here in KY yet, I haven't had a chance to see the Texans in action, so I don't know how good Hutchins would be as a starting FS. I DO know that I DON'T like CC being there. JMHO.
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