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Grid
11-05-2004, 04:48 PM
Hey, im not sure on my terminology here.

What is it called when Carr takes the snap and immediatly throws down the line of scrimmage to Johnson?

is that a screen pass? sorry im still very ignorant about some aspects of the game :)

Grid
11-05-2004, 04:50 PM
as long as im asking. you know that short pass that Carr does to johnson? basicly johnson takes like too steps then cuts right and gets the ball in the middle of the field, right behind the LBs. Andre has picked up some big yardage on that pass. Is there a name for that pass?

TexansTrueFan
11-05-2004, 04:53 PM
your second question would be a slant,,,and first is a semi screen pass !!

gwallaia
11-05-2004, 04:54 PM
A screen pass typically has offensive linemen or perhaps the tight-end leading the way blocking ahead of the receiver.

The quick throw to Johnson in the flats would be a ummm..... a quick pass in the flats.

Vinny
11-05-2004, 04:55 PM
You are referring to a Hitch pass.

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Andre_Johnson80
11-05-2004, 05:00 PM
There we go, thanx vinny now people can see what your takin bout..

Porky
11-05-2004, 05:52 PM
Yup, it's a hitch. When we run it to Bradford it goes nowhere. When we run it to AJ, it almost always a 7-12 yarder. Like money in the bank. If the db comes up too close, then AJ can just fight off the bump, and fly right past him. He is one dangerous dude.

edo783
11-05-2004, 06:30 PM
We need to start watching that we aren't throwing it at the wrong time/to much. I think teams are starting to watch for it and will start to bait us into throwing it and then jump the route and that will be 6 the other way.

aj.
11-05-2004, 06:32 PM
A lot of times it's not even a called play. When the situation presents itself, AJ and Carr do the wink and nod thing and Carr zips it over there.

The only risk is that it's possible to bait if you're a good CB. One of these days someone (like Champ) is going to bait and jump it and take it to the house. That a big risk for the CB to take but if you have a safety rolled over that way anyway you could still protect the backside and let the CB take a gamble. I'd have to go back and check it but they may have already established a tendency on that play - like running it on 3rd and long. That's when it would be safer for the defense to jump the "route" because there's often an extra DB in during those situations anyway.

TexanExile
11-05-2004, 08:37 PM
One of these days someone (like Champ) is going to bait and jump it and take it to the house. That a big risk for the CB to take but if you have a safety rolled over that way anyway you could still protect the backside and let the CB take a gamble.

Amen to THAT. I cringe every time I see that pass, even though it almost always works. Really dangerous unless everything works out perfectly. So far, no picks on that play, though...whew.

As for the CB risk, I seem to recall that being a 1st down pass for the most part. Maybe that's by design (or maybe I'm off!)...

TexSon
11-05-2004, 09:10 PM
So far there haven't been any close calls. They usually run that play when the corner is giving a HUGE cushion (usually later in the game, after Johnson has burned them a few times).
I like the play, it is a always good for a few big yards at critical times... but I do agree that they have been going to the well a little too often, and some smart cb is gonna take advantage one of these days.

texan279
11-05-2004, 09:55 PM
Grid aren't you talking about the play when as soon as Carr gets the ball he slings it to AJ, AJ doesn't move and Carr doesn't roll out. Isn't that different than a hitch or am I wrong?

aj.
11-05-2004, 10:13 PM
That would be a hitch.

JDizzle
11-05-2004, 10:34 PM
I just call it "Catch me if you can, FOO!".

ccdude730
11-05-2004, 10:50 PM
i hope a DBs prepare for it. remember the superbowl when they faked the "hitch" and then went up top for the touchdown? maybe we will be able to do that... idonno:

RunninRaven
11-06-2004, 12:47 AM
I'm sure someday they will get burned on the hitch play, but I don't worry about it too much. One thing I have noticed is that there is no easily discernible pattern for when they throw it. Sure, they only throw it when the CB is giving Andre a big cushion, but I have seen LOTS of plays where the CB is giving Andre lots of cushion and they don't throw that pass. Since they generally only throw the hitch 2-4 times a game (or has been my observation), the chance that the CB is worrying more about jumping that route than getting beat deep is small, in my opinion. But, like I say, it really is only a matter of time before it bites us...but I don't see it happening a lot.

texan279
11-06-2004, 01:06 AM
It'll never bite us. CARR TO JOHNSON! :headbang: Seriously, haven't we been running that play several times a game this season and no one has stopped it yet. I think the worst I saw was like a 2 or 3 yard gain once or maybe no gain, can't remember. Everything else has been 5+ yards if I remember correctly, I might be wrong though.

HJam72
11-06-2004, 04:39 AM
I'm sure you guys are right, but I always thought the immediate pass to a receiver (like Johnson) was called a quick out, as in quick pass to the wide-out, or quick out pass. Same thing or what?

texan279
11-06-2004, 06:11 AM
That's the phrase I was trying to think of, or something similar to that, I always thought a hitch was a comeback route. idonno:

rittenhouserobz
11-06-2004, 06:49 AM
as long as im asking. you know that short pass that Carr does to johnson? basicly johnson takes like too steps then cuts right and gets the ball in the middle of the field, right behind the LBs. Andre has picked up some big yardage on that pass. Is there a name for that pass?

Isn't that called a "drag" route? When AJ starts on the left and goes to the right while DC is doing a naked bootleg AJ is almost always open.

aj.
11-06-2004, 07:16 AM
I'm sure you guys are right, but I always thought the immediate pass to a receiver (like Johnson) was called a quick out, as in quick pass to the wide-out, or quick out pass. Same thing or what?
A quick out (route) is where the WR drives straight downfield 5-15 yards and makes a sharp cut to the sideline.

Tedc
11-06-2004, 08:37 AM
The slant and hitch have worked well for us but I would like to see one play when we know the defense is looking for it and fake the hitch and then hit Gafney on the other side down field.

Number19
11-06-2004, 11:13 AM
..I always thought the immediate pass to a receiver (like Johnson) was called a quick out...A quick out (route) is where the WR drives straight downfield 5-15 yards and makes a sharp cut to the sideline.
AJ, I think this is more properly just called an "out pattern" and represents an intermediate route. A "quick out" is a short pattern designed to pick up a crucial 2 to 5 yds and the receiver steps out of bounds to stop the clock. If the situation allows, the receiver can tightwalk the sideline to pick up extra yards before stepping out of bounds.

...I always thought a hitch was a comeback route...
I think what you may be thinking of here is a "hook pattern", an intermediate route of about 10 to 15 yards. The receiver comes to a complete stop and turns 180 degrees. Ideally, the ball reaches the receiver almost immediately after his turn. If it doesn't, he may come back toward the line of scrimmage a step or two.

From Vinny's diagram of the hitch pass, you will see the position the receiver is in to catch the ball. This is a much easier pass to complete than the quick out, where the catch is made over the shoulder or the receiver twists his body to get his hands into position. Also, as it is slightly shorter, it is a more quickly developing play.

Doug
11-06-2004, 05:54 PM
I'm learning more everyday....My impression of it was more of a hot route.

Lucky
11-06-2004, 06:46 PM
I'm sure you guys are right, but I always thought the immediate pass to a receiver (like Johnson) was called a quick out, as in quick pass to the wide-out, or quick out pass. Same thing or what?
A hitch is a pattern where the WR turns back towards the QB and comes to meet the ball, shoulders facing the QB. It can be run at any distance, including zero yards, as the Carr to AJ route is run. You can call it a quick out, though an out is thrown to the sideline with the receivers shoulders away from the QB.

FWIW, the Texans can it the "Now" pattern.