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Spike
08-09-2007, 10:02 PM
I don't know about you guys, but I am looking forward to watching some Texans football on Saturday night. The game is on TV in Austin and my wife is hosting a baby shower, so an evening of uninterrupted football is shaping up nicely. I'm not going to look too much into a pre-season game, but I am going to be looking at the following:

(1) Saturday night alone won't provide any final proof, but the question of whether it was the QB or the OL will start to be answered. I am interested to see how the unit responds to the new QB.
(2) We didn't see a lot of Kevin Walter last year, so it will be interesting to see if he can make an impact.
(3) Gado/ Lundy or Lundy/ Gado - I hope one of these guys can distinguish himself.
(4) Abbate at FB.
(5) DL - Can we get to the QB?
(6) DT - I think Maddox is set at one starting spot. I am excited to see Amobi and hope he does well, but I will be just as happy to see TJ live up to the first round billing.
(7) Which punter is going to win this job?

Runner
08-09-2007, 10:05 PM
but the question of whether it was the QB or the OL will start to be answered.

Can we get a "both" option here, or must it be either/or?

rollinstone18
08-09-2007, 10:42 PM
Wait, they're airing a Texans game in Austin?

:yes:

:fans:

Houston_Fanatic
08-09-2007, 10:55 PM
Can we get a "both" option here, or must it be either/or?

Didn't the Tennessee game last year (away) answer that question? :shades:

tsip
08-09-2007, 11:31 PM
...about the punters--kubiak mentioned tonight on FSN that Stanley has lasted 5 yrs in the NFL because of his consistency--punts are always about the same distance and hang time. However, what he didn't mention is that Stanley almost never 'booms' a punt to get the team out of trouble, and-last year when he tried to 'over' kick-he shanked some and short kicked some.

Capers picked him originally because he was good at putting the ball inside the 20, but he's steadily lost a lot of that ability. JMO, his weakest criteria is that he rarely 'pins' the other team back to turn field position in our favor...

MEGA SWATT
08-10-2007, 12:42 AM
I'm looking forward to the game too........football is finally coming.:specnatz: :pirate:

rickyb
08-10-2007, 08:23 AM
I don't know about you guys, but I am looking forward to watching some Texans football on Saturday night. The game is on TV in Austin and my wife is hosting a baby shower, so an evening of uninterrupted football is shaping up nicely. I'm not going to look too much into a pre-season game, but I am going to be looking at the following:

(1) Saturday night alone won't provide any final proof, but the question of whether it was the QB or the OL will start to be answered. I am interested to see how the unit responds to the new QB.
(2) We didn't see a lot of Kevin Walter last year, so it will be interesting to see if he can make an impact.
(3) Gado/ Lundy or Lundy/ Gado - I hope one of these guys can distinguish himself.
(4) Abbate at FB.
(5) DL - Can we get to the QB?
(6) DT - I think Maddox is set at one starting spot. I am excited to see Amobi and hope he does well, but I will be just as happy to see TJ live up to the first round billing.
(7) Which punter is going to win this job?

Spike, good to see another Austinite Texans fan.
Once the regular season begins, we will all be getting together to watch games at Third Base, who are excited to host us.

Later,
Rick

Spike
08-10-2007, 08:40 AM
Let me throw in another player I am looking forward to seeing - Jacoby Jones. Every snap for this guy (pre-season or not) at this point in his career is an important one.

Rick- Thanks for letting me know. I don't live far away and would love to join.

Vega
08-10-2007, 09:23 AM
I find it hard to get too excited about the punter battle. Don't get me wrong. I understand the importance of the position and the real value that a good punter can bring to the team. It's just that I don't get up and think, "yeah, I can't wait to see how badass our punter is!" Maybe it's just me.

More importantly for me though, this Saturday marks the moment when I ease my girlfriend into accepting the fact that football is here again. Last night we had the annual "you mean there's football on Thursday too!" discussion.

I'll watch it on Sunday morning though. They're not televising it here in FL except on the NFL Network at midnight. Thank God for DVR!

eriadoc
08-10-2007, 09:35 AM
(1) Saturday night alone won't provide any final proof, but the question of whether it was the QB or the OL will start to be answered. I am interested to see how the unit responds to the new QB.

Remember last year's preseason? Remember the opening drive vs. the Eagles last year? One preseason game in which Schaub will likely play 1-2 series is not going to prove, or really even hint at, the answer to that question. And the answer, as Runner pointed out, is not an either/or answer.

That said, the withdrawals will finally end! Go Texans!!!

:fans:

Edited to correct my erroneous identification of Runner. Sorry!

Leahmic223
08-10-2007, 02:35 PM
I wouldn't expect much from Amobi at all this year. From the future though I have HIGH hopes for him...like Warren Sapp hopes for him.

I just hope to see flashes of excellence through the year. Like how we saw Mario dominate at times...then disappear. This is what rookies usually do.

Nah though, on saturday I think he won't do much. He'll probably play a qtr or little over that, if that then he'll be lucky to make a big play happen...if he does though my optimisim is going to go through the roof.

badboy
08-10-2007, 04:09 PM
...about the punters--kubiak mentioned tonight on FSN that Stanley has lasted 5 yrs in the NFL because of his consistency--punts are always about the same distance and hang time. However, what he didn't mention is that Stanley almost never 'booms' a punt to get the team out of trouble, and-last year when he tried to 'over' kick-he shanked some and short kicked some.

Capers picked him originally because he was good at putting the ball inside the 20, but he's steadily lost a lot of that ability. JMO, his weakest criteria is that he rarely 'pins' the other team back to turn field position in our favor...
My understanding is Stanley did well within 20 until last season. He was recently quoted in Chronicle saying it was a "mechanics" issue that he can or has corrected. We will see soon.

Wolf
08-10-2007, 09:25 PM
on the first game,even though it is vanilla offense versus vanilla defense. I want to see the first string make stops on 3rd down, I want to see a glimmer of hope that on 3rd and short we can impose our will on a running play to pick up the first...

later one, I want to see how our FA pickups(aka nothing significant but quality depth) come in and at the very least hold their own against the bears 2nd and 3rd string

and I want to see discipline..no dumb false starts,no stupid penalties.. I can handle a(just one) holding IF the lineman gets beat so bad that the qb is fixing to get blasted from the weakside because of a lineman missed his assignment (I don't want to see them miss an assignment,but it happens).. NO holding on running plays!!!!

but I want to see promise from our OL that they can handle the Bears 1st string front 7 (not many teams do) even if it is vanilla

michaelm
08-10-2007, 09:57 PM
Accordingly to the chron. Schaub will get to play the 1ST.quarter. But who really knows. It's like a month ago this board was over-filled with, Schaub will bring the leadership that we need. Now Kubes is saying the offense needs someone to step-up and show some leadership. That Schaub hasn't been able to do it, and AJ is not vocal, where he leads by example. As for me, I'm looking forward to this defense to show me something. They are also saying that the offense has weapons that Carr didn't, but with our o- line we are going to need a powerful defense to be able win any games. Defense, Defense

Where did you read or hear that? I never heard anything like that, personally...

Pantherstang84
08-10-2007, 10:13 PM
Accordingly to the chron. Schaub will get to play the 1ST.quarter. But who really knows. It's like a month ago this board was over-filled with, Schaub will bring the leadership that we need. Now Kubes is saying the offense needs someone to step-up and show some leadership. That Schaub hasn't been able to do it, and AJ is not vocal, where he leads by example. As for me, I'm looking forward to this defense to show me something. They are also saying that the offense has weapons that Carr didn't, but with our o- line we are going to need a powerful defense to be able win any games. Defense, Defense


This is an official call out. Cite a source or retract it. I have read every article on chron.com, this site, the official site, SI, BSN, etc. I have never read or heard Kubiak say any such thing. As a matter of fact, he has said just the opposite.

:bat:

Runner
08-10-2007, 10:22 PM
This is an official call out. Cite a source or retract it. I have read every article on chron.com, this site, the official site, SI, BSN, etc. I have never read or heard Kubiak say any such thing. As a matter of fact, he has said just the opposite.



How is this for you? He's still looking for that leader. We can chop words and say Schaub is a great leader but not vocal, but I don't buy that. I was surprised when I read it - I thought I was in Orwell's 1984 with the party line changing with no reference to change.

It is always safer to say "I have read almost every article yada yada yada". Especially on an "official" call out.


Offensive leader needed

Coach Gary Kubiak is still looking for a vocal leader to really take charge on the offensive side of the ball and complement Andre Johnson.

"We're in camp, and we're going to have some bad things happen," Kubiak said. "I see the groups go correct them and come back the next period and play better. I think we're growing up from that standpoint.

"I think on the offensive side of the ball we're still looking for that big leader to step up. Andre is a quiet guy. He leads by how he plays, but somebody's got to take control of the group when things are kind of in a lull."


http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/5032357.html

tsip
08-10-2007, 10:45 PM
Where did you read or hear that? I never heard anything like that, personally...


...depends on what day it is...Kubiak has said both

Honoring Earl 34
08-10-2007, 10:46 PM
You can find it in chron.com plus it was also on the offical Texans web site. Here's another tid-bit. I read that Schaub was brought up by three of Kubiak coaches, and that's why he started to look into him. Plummer had spoken to Schaub about what a good guy Kubiak was. Sure shows a different light on what has been said here. Of course if I took enough time I guess McClain could tell me that he knew more about it than Kubiak did.

How is this different from any other how Schaub got here story ?

I think Kubiak is messing with Schaub ... testing his grit if you will . I think he's passing .


Runner is big brother .

Wolf
08-10-2007, 10:46 PM
Among the faces of Kubiak we seldom see is the angry one. He keeps that one behind closed doors except on rare occasions. On Wednesday, he jumped Matt Schaub so badly that Kubiak's mom called to say she'd heard her son was using inappropriate language.


http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/justice/texans/5042826.html

for some this is doom, Kubiaks mom was at the training site :rolleyes:

Wolf
08-10-2007, 11:43 PM
I think Kubiak's so called "call out" on leadership is more of a motivational thing at this point. (I hope) I think he is tryiing to get this team to believe in itself and take the next step to become a playoff team. Kubiak is still pushing us. from what we heard all offseason since getting matt is he is a leader.. I think Kubiak is trying to not let the team get complacent or content with what we have read in the paper.. I like it.. I'd rather Kubiak say that we are still needing a leader, because besides AJ, we really don't have anyone that has proven themselves on the field as a leader and this is our first game with Kubiak's type players(and still working on that) (last season say what you want, we had players but kubiak still needed to get HIS type of players for HIS system (some are his type of players, yet lots are Dom's type of players)

Insideop
08-11-2007, 12:18 AM
Don't worry people, I believe Schaub will be the leader of this offense as the season wears on. But, it's hard to be the leader now when he hasn't even played a game with the team yet. If he is half the leader that everyone was writing and talking about when we first got him then I think he will start to assume that role once he's been through a few games and starts to prove himself on the field. He's already earned some respect by calling all of his teammates when he 1st got here, and being one of the 1st ones at the facility to workout and one of the last to leave. Now he just has to go out and earn their respect on the field. Once he does that, the leadership role will be his. JMHO! :texflag:

michaelm
08-11-2007, 12:55 AM
MY above reply was to respond to michaelm, as I didn't see your " offical call out " LMAO, it's just like you to pull something dumb like this. The last time you gave a bad rep. for stating facts about myself, that had nothing to do with you or the post that was made. You wrote with it " Now your just a troll" Doh, do me a favor and put me on you ignore list, and don't read any of my posts as you seem to go on full tilt when you do.

I hadn't read the article in question, but my interpretation is that Kubiak thinks Schaub is a leader, but wants Schaub to step it up, take control and make the team his....
When you look at the colts, you don't doubt that it's Manning's team... same with the Pats and Brady... if you think about it, Kubiak must identify with a team that is really defined by it's QB... his teams in Denver and SF fit that mold, I'd say.
I'd say that kind of team is the antithesis of what we've had around here so far...

Runner
08-11-2007, 01:12 AM
Runner is big brother .

Wait a minute - I thought I was Winston Smith.

barrett
08-11-2007, 01:39 AM
How is this for you? He's still looking for that leader. We can chop words and say Schaub is a great leader but not vocal, but I don't buy that. I was surprised when I read it - I thought I was in Orwell's 1984 with the party line changing with no reference to change.

It is always safer to say "I have read almost every article yada yada yada". Especially on an "official" call out.



http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/5032357.html


i read it too. or maybe i heard it on the texans tv bit on the website but i know i was a bit suprised to hear him say that. i'd like to think that Kubiak likes to use the media in a very subtle way to motivate his players. i also agree that Schaub may have taken steps to become a leader for the team by doing things like calling the players etc, but that until he shows himself on the field as a leader and leads by his play, then his role as a leader will be harder to define.

great posts everyone. except the wierd angry ones....

barrett
08-11-2007, 01:43 AM
Spike, good to see another Austinite Texans fan.
Once the regular season begins, we will all be getting together to watch games at Third Base, who are excited to host us.

Later,
Rick

i'm also excited to hear this. i know we had mentioned third base a while back. i accidentally went and got season tickets but i look forward to checking out this third base place for road games. i'll look for texans people when i attend! it'll be strange. i'm so used to sitting at ringers alone as the lone texan.

Leahmic223
08-11-2007, 02:05 AM
It really doesn't matter.

There is nothing Schuab can do to prove his leadership in Training Camp or in Preseason...NOTHING.

It is the 4th and 10 game on the line situations that can prove that. IT is all the little game situations that will.

Thorn
08-11-2007, 07:25 AM
I'm exicited as hell. Finally some football! I wouldn't look for a lot of questions to be answered tonight. In fact, after tonights game, I suspect there'll be more questions than answers. Don't look for good answers for another week or so until things begin to fall out.

That said, I am looking forward to seeing Schaub in action. I've been pretty rough on the boy so far.

BattleRedToro
08-11-2007, 07:39 AM
I've never been caught up in the whole leadership b.s. that people love to assign to QB's. These are professional athletes that we are posting about and the threat of losing their livelihood should be enough motivation for all of them to perform at their best. Also, any leadership should come from Kubiak since he is the Head Coach.

Pantherstang84
08-11-2007, 08:04 AM
I will stand by my original statement that I have read every article on chron.com including the one that was referenced. In my opinion, it is a stretch to go from this....

Offensive leader needed

Coach Gary Kubiak is still looking for a vocal leader to really take charge on the offensive side of the ball and complement Andre Johnson.

"We're in camp, and we're going to have some bad things happen," Kubiak said. "I see the groups go correct them and come back the next period and play better. I think we're growing up from that standpoint.

"I think on the offensive side of the ball we're still looking for that big leader to step up. Andre is a quiet guy. He leads by how he plays, but somebody's got to take control of the group when things are kind of in a lull."

To this....

Accordingly to the chron. Schaub will get to play the 1ST.quarter. But who really knows. It's like a month ago this board was over-filled with, Schaub will bring the leadership that we need. Now Kubes is saying the offense needs someone to step-up and show some leadership. That Schaub hasn't been able to do it, and AJ is not vocal, where he leads by example. As for me, I'm looking forward to this defense to show me something. They are also saying that the offense has weapons that Carr didn't, but with our o- line we are going to need a powerful defense to be able win any games. Defense, Defense

I guess you can slant it how you want to, but I think it is just part of the process of learning how to be a starting QB.

Runner
08-11-2007, 09:18 AM
In my opinion, it is a stretch to go from this....

In my opinion, it is a stretch to think the coach is looking for a leader to get the team through the pre-season and first three or so games before Schaub takes the role. Maybe Schaub's a little more laid back than Kubiak is looking for.

Personally, I think it is all just a head game by the coach.

I guess you can slant it how you want to...

Obviously.

rickyb
08-11-2007, 09:53 AM
i'm also excited to hear this. i know we had mentioned third base a while back. i accidentally went and got season tickets but i look forward to checking out this third base place for road games. i'll look for texans people when i attend! it'll be strange. i'm so used to sitting at ringers alone as the lone texan.

That's great, Barrett! Please send your email addy to "Big Wig" via PM, to add yours to the list.

I'm looking fwd to watching games at 3B.
Later,
Rick

BattleRedToro
08-11-2007, 03:19 PM
When I see this thread title, all I can think of is this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOLjO1qttLA).:dance:

rickyb
08-11-2007, 04:20 PM
When I see this thread title, all I can think of is this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOLjO1qttLA).:dance:

Kay! Turn up the Bay City Rollers...

Brando
08-11-2007, 04:20 PM
Now Kubes is saying the offense needs someone to step-up and show some leadership. That Schaub hasn't been able to do it, and AJ is not vocal, where he leads by example.

I took it more as Kubes calling AJ out in essence as telling him to be more vocal but I could have read it wrong.

Thorn
08-11-2007, 06:30 PM
30 more minutes until kick off! I'm ready.

beer * check *
chips and dip * check *
TV on the right channel * check *

Anything I've forgotten?

http://www.trekbbs.com/threads/images/graemlins/cool.gif