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Mr teX
08-03-2007, 09:39 AM
statwise, to stave off you calling him the "b" word? I only ask b/c i happened to pop on Davies & dukes this morning & they were sort of talking about it.

Maybe you look at it differently, not so much what Mario has to do statwise, but what does the defensive unit/line have to accomplish for you to feel Mario is at least becoming the force you thought he could be?

bigbrewster2000
08-03-2007, 09:48 AM
All he needs to do is stay healthy and find consistency from game to game. He will have some games where he appears to be shut out and others where he rag dolls a couple of linemen a game like in the Giants game.

In reality the B word should not really ever be used on any player until after their 3rd year regardless of the player or the team etc. It just takes that long for most players to adjust to the pro game.

BigTimeTexanFan
08-03-2007, 09:50 AM
For me, it's not just what Mario does. I want him to contribute on a dominating D-line helping the defense pick up where it left off from the last half of the season. If he improves the way I hope, offenses will have to pay more attention to him allowing others on the defense to make plays. I really don't think we will have anything to worry about with Mario, though:mario3:

alphajoker
08-03-2007, 09:55 AM
Two words...win games.

The1ApplePie
08-03-2007, 10:01 AM
Has to put up Freeny or Peppers like numbers, simple as that.

HuttoKarl
08-03-2007, 10:03 AM
I don't want to get wrapped up in calling him a success or failure based on a stat line. I would like to see him be a disruptive force, whether it's stuffing RB's in the backfield, tossing O-Linemen around and getting some sacks here and there.

4.5 isn't enough, by any means. I'd like to see him double that while being disruptive every Sunday.

gtexan02
08-03-2007, 10:08 AM
I fully expect him to have 10+ sacks this year, and at least 2-4 FFs

Thats barely 1 every other game.

I know, I know, people are already saying he'll be double teamed. Franky, I don't care. Everyone knows Peppers is a beast, everyone knows Freeney is a beast, everyone knows Strahan, etc, etc and they still produce. With a new pass rushing DT in Okoye, a rejuvinated TJ and the surprising Maddox in the middle, I expect MW should easily surpass 10 sacks this season

If he doesn't, I will be the first to be disapointed. The first overall pick in the draft, after a full year of NFL experience, healthy and hungry, should not be given any more "cushion" time. As Texans fans, we have learned way too much patience. Carr is the perfect example. We need to expect our players to perform up to the level they were predicted to perform at.

The1ApplePie
08-03-2007, 10:08 AM
If your taken 1st overall, and you are just a solid contributer, you're a bust.

Hopefully he can be a solid run stopper.

Kaiser Toro
08-03-2007, 10:09 AM
Has to put up Freeny or Peppers like numbers, simple as that.

Peppers had 7 sacks the year the Panthers made a SB run and Freeney had 5.5 sacks in the year they won the SB. These were the worst sack totals of each of their respective careers.

We need a well rounded unit on defense and Mario will be the anchor for the first tier of that defense.

HuttoKarl
08-03-2007, 10:11 AM
Peppers had 7 sacks the year the Panthers made a SB run and Freeney had 5.5 sacks in the year they won the SB. These were the worst sack totals of each of their respective careers.

We need a well rounded unit on defense and Mario will be the anchor for the first tier of that defense.


Damn your facts and logic!!!! :doot:

The1ApplePie
08-03-2007, 10:14 AM
Peppers had 7 sacks the year the Panthers made a SB run and Freeney had 5.5 sacks in the year they won the SB. These were the worst sack totals of each of their respective careers.

We need a well rounded unit on defense and Mario will be the anchor for the first tier of that defense.

I meant the usual 12-15 sacks a year numbers.

gtexan02
08-03-2007, 10:15 AM
Peppers had 7 sacks the year the Panthers made a SB run and Freeney had 5.5 sacks in the year they won the SB. These were the worst sack totals of each of their respective careers.

We need a well rounded unit on defense and Mario will be the anchor for the first tier of that defense.

Freeney and the entire Colts defense was HORRIBLe all year. The only reason they even made it into the playoffs was because of their offense.

Once in the playoffs, Freeney resumed his natural pass rushing self. He was the sack leader for the postseason.

The Colts made it to the playoffs in spite of Freeney, not because of him.

As for Peppers, well, I can't really explain that one. Rucker benefited I guess, as he had something like 10-15 sacks that season

DBCooper
08-03-2007, 10:24 AM
Be a difference maker.

Make the defense better.

I would love to see a ton of sacks, but he doesn't have to have that to make a difference out there.

Kaiser Toro
08-03-2007, 10:24 AM
Freeney and the entire Colts defense was HORRIBLe all year. The only reason they even made it into the playoffs was because of their offense.

Once in the playoffs, Freeney resumed his natural pass rushing self. He was the sack leader for the postseason.

The Colts made it to the playoffs in spite of Freeney, not because of him.

As for Peppers, well, I can't really explain that one. Rucker benefited I guess, as he had something like 10-15 sacks that season

Yes, Freeney, Peppers and Mario are all horrible and make no one around them better. :rolleyes:

hobie
08-03-2007, 10:28 AM
I think if he can get us 1200 yds. and 8 td's that would be a great start ....

nunusguy
08-03-2007, 10:34 AM
I was at last nights practice and the team wasn't in pads but I dunno if Mario really needs pads ? The guy is an awesome physcial physique ! And now that he's down to 'bout 280 lbs. he really looks almost as much like a basketball player as he does a football player. But couple that with his superior athleticism (can't help but wonder what the Mario-Lite 40 time and vertical elevation would be ?), and "Super Mario" says it all. But maybe the new D coachs and getting his first NFL year behind him will give him the maturity to take advantage of his prodigous physical skills.
BTW, Mario signed autographs after practice and he stayed forever and I think just about everyone got something signed and there was a ton of people wanting a signature. But the big guy showed a lot of patience, and dare I say maturity ?

Vinny
08-03-2007, 10:36 AM
20 or so players picked after him had better years than he did....so, he needs to simply play better...and outplay the guys picked after him....so he has a TALL order. Being the first overall pick in a DEEP draft carries a burden.

infantrycak
08-03-2007, 10:44 AM
I meant the usual 12-15 sacks a year numbers.

They both average 10-11 sacks a year, not 12-15. Start with unreasonable expectations and you will end up disappointed.

gtexan02
08-03-2007, 10:48 AM
Now we are nitpicking numbers to further the excuses for MW

He was picked 1st. Therefore I expect him to perform better than every other player in the draft.

I won't be disapointed if he plays at or around the level of others in the draft, but a repeat of last year will surely be a failure

Second Honeymoon
08-03-2007, 10:50 AM
show some heart
show a mean streak
show more quickness
show better technique
show the ability to make more plays
show the ability to put Peyton and all the other QBs on their arse

in other words, he needs to show all the things that he didn't really show last year

threetoedpete
08-03-2007, 10:52 AM
They both average 10-11 sacks a year, not 12-15. Start with unreasonable expectations and you will end up disappointed.

I'm with you . Looking for a barometer ? Ten to twelve sacks should be a resonable expectation. The big thing will be....how has his hands play improved. i.e. how quickly does he get disengaged from the block. And how has the healed foot plus the loss of twenty pounds added to the quickness of his first step. No one was more surprised at the increased tallent level from the jump of college football tallent to pro football tallent than Mario. He should own the Bears tackles on passing plays. They have no one on that roster who should be able to block the guy on passing plays.

Honoring Earl 34
08-03-2007, 10:54 AM
So .... if the Texans are top five in the NFL in defense and Mario starts every game ... I'd say he's done his job .


USFL
Pro career commenced 1984 with the Memphis Showboats
Registering 11 sacks in his first season landed him on the all-rookie team
In 34 starts he registered 23.5 sacks, 192 tackles (120 unassisted) and forced 7 fumbles.




Can you guess who this was ?

Mr teX
08-03-2007, 11:00 AM
Peppers had 7 sacks the year the Panthers made a SB run and Freeney had 5.5 sacks in the year they won the SB. These were the worst sack totals of each of their respective careers.

We need a well rounded unit on defense and Mario will be the anchor for the first tier of that defense.

That's kind of where i'm at with it. I really don't expect him to come out & be the 2nd coming of Bruce Smith, I just expect him to be more of a force.

Whether that's with 8 sacks & a bunch of QB hurries/forced fumbles or with 10+ sacks & a little QB hurries/forced fumbles, I think he'll have done his part to help elevate the D-line & defense.

Vinny
08-03-2007, 11:06 AM
So .... if the Texans are top five in the NFL in defense and Mario starts every game ... I'd say he's done his job .






Can you guess who this was ?

too easy, but so far he ain't no Reggie White....how about something tough?

real
08-03-2007, 11:15 AM
I'm not concerned with his numbers as much as I am concerned with how well he plays...

At times last year Mario looked completely lost, and then at other times he looked like one of the most dominant DE's in the game...

I guess the biggest thing I'm looking for from him is consistency...I want to see him consistently be a guy who pressures the QB...If he can do that then the sacks will follow...

I also want to see more consistency from him when it's a running play towards him...He's great when they run it to the opposite side, but he struggled last year when they ran directly at him...

I think he's going to play a lot better this year though...how much better will have to be seen...

rickyb
08-03-2007, 11:19 AM
So .... if the Texans are top five in the NFL in defense and Mario starts every game ... I'd say he's done his job .






Can you guess who this was ?

Reggie White.

If only there was a vast electronic data network I could search from my desktop... <wink>

The1ApplePie
08-03-2007, 11:30 AM
show some heart
show a mean streak
show more quickness
show better technique
show the ability to make more plays
show the ability to put Peyton and all the other QBs on their arse

in other words, he needs to show all the things that he didn't really show last year

So far Mario has been a lazy, injury prone combine warrior with poor technique. Plenty of physically gifted atheletes have poor technique since they never needed it before.

He was far outplayed by Courtney Brown if you compare their rookie seasons, and Brown is one of the kings of busts.

Honoring Earl 34
08-03-2007, 11:35 AM
too easy, but so far he ain't no Reggie White....how about something tough?

I did'nt realize Reggie played two years in the USFL .

Mario should be a lot better this year .... a year under his belt , a coach that rides his butt , more help , and I don't think he's lazy ( see TJ ) .

If he's not a lot better then you have to wonder if he might be to nice because he's got the talent .

Specnatz
08-03-2007, 11:41 AM
So far Mario has been a lazy, injury prone combine warrior with poor technique. Plenty of physically gifted atheletes have poor technique since they never needed it before.

He was far outplayed by Courtney Brown if you compare their rookie seasons, and Brown is one of the kings of busts.

Mario could have 20 sacks and you would find something to say negative about him.

Yes he did not have a good statistic year, and at times he played like a rookie who was lost out there, but damn funny thing is, he was a rookie. Technique comes from learning what you did wrong most players coming into a rookie year need to improve there tecnique, but since he was not your man crush guy you will never ever say anything positive. The he showed by the end of the season he had learned at least some.

Injury prone would suggest he kept getting hurt, but that is not the truth what so ever. He had one injury that lasted all season and he played through it. How again is that showing laziness?

The1ApplePie
08-03-2007, 11:50 AM
Mario could have 20 sacks and you would find something to say negative about him.

Yes he did not have a good statistic year, and at times he played like a rookie who was lost out there, but damn funny thing is, he was a rookie. Technique comes from learning what you did wrong most players coming into a rookie year need to improve there tecnique, but since he was not your man crush guy you will never ever say anything positive. The he showed by the end of the season he had learned at least some.

Injury prone would suggest he kept getting hurt, but that is not the truth what so ever. He had one injury that lasted all season and he played through it. How again is that showing laziness?

Mario rushes the passer, gets blocked, gives up on the rush, the QB throws the pass 5 seconds later.

Pretty much the standard Mario play.

He's been injured twice already in camp this year.

I've got a Bush crush, you sure have a Mario crush Spec. So isn't that a "Kettle you're black!" kind of thing?

I've at least said Mario could be a good run stopper.

All you ever do is say "LoL, RB is a WR"

Honoring Earl 34
08-03-2007, 11:56 AM
Mario rushes the passer, gets blocked, gives up on the rush, the QB throws the pass 5 seconds later.

Pretty much the standard Mario play.

He's been injured twice already in camp this year.

I've got a Bush crush, you sure have a Mario crush Spec. So isn't that a "Kettle you're black!" kind of thing?

I've at least said Mario could be a good run stopper.

All you ever do is say "LoL, RB is a WR"

I think the reason some defend Mario is , he's a Texan .

Mario has to start looking like the force he can be and that's every game .

I pull for Mario because the only way the VY or RB talk will end is Mario becoming the real deal . Unless of course VY and RB fall on their face which is not likely .

Mr. White
08-03-2007, 12:07 PM
A few of my thoughts:

Even though I remember "Mario is a Bust" and "Mario sucks" threads after game 1 last year, it's still too early to call the guy a bust. I personally thought that he had a solid season last year.

He came along like the rest of the defense did. As a unit, they started out horrible and showed improvement as the season progressed.

I will say that "solid" play isn't what should be expected from a 1st overall draft pick. You expect spectacular results from a guy drafted that high especially considering the guys they passed on.

I think that Jethro Franklin was brought in to get more from these D-Line first rounders. If he can't do it, then he'll be out pretty quick.

I still think that Reggie Bush couldn't have helped the offense much considering who the ball had to go through. I also think that he would have been leaving the season opener against the Eagles on a stretcher.

Double Barrel
08-03-2007, 12:12 PM
So what does Mario have to do this year......

Break Vince Young's leg. :shades:

Seriously, though, he just need to keep developing into a consistent force on the line. This defensive line needs to show some fire, and not just from Mario. It needs to perform as a whole by actually pressuring the QB, which has been in short supply for the past couple of seasons.

I think my head is going to explode if I see our opponents' QBs just standing there with all the time in the world to wait for coverage to break down. Our pass rush was anemic, at best, and all of that has to change if this defense is going to amount to anything this year.

Mr teX
08-03-2007, 01:29 PM
Mario rushes the passer, gets blocked, gives up on the rush, the QB throws the pass 5 seconds later.

Pretty much the standard Mario play.

He's been injured twice already in camp this year.

I've got a Bush crush, you sure have a Mario crush Spec. So isn't that a "Kettle you're black!" kind of thing?

I've at least said Mario could be a good run stopper.

All you ever do is say "LoL, RB is a WR"

Please believe that if RB was here & he still had that pedestrian 2-3 ypc he'd be getting eaten alive here as well. Win wise, we'd still be right about where we are & the offense would still be trash.

real
08-03-2007, 01:31 PM
Please believe that if RB was here & he still had that pedestrian 2-3 ypc he'd be getting eaten alive here as well. Win wise, we'd still be right about where we are & the offense would still be trash.

The offense my still have been less than stellar, but he wouldn't be eaten alive by the fans...

Mr teX
08-03-2007, 01:42 PM
The offense my still have been less than stellar, but he wouldn't be eaten alive by the fans...

I think he would b/c people would've been expecting him to score TD's on every carry/catch & avg. 5 ypc. Anything short of that & it would've been.. "see i told u he can't run between the tackles.." or "we need a RB not a WR...".

That's just the nature of a fan, much less ours. For top picks anything less than what they were able to do in college & people are complaining.

Specnatz
08-03-2007, 01:48 PM
Mario rushes the passer, gets blocked, gives up on the rush, the QB throws the pass 5 seconds later.

Pretty much the standard Mario play.

He's been injured twice already in camp this year.

I've got a Bush crush, you sure have a Mario crush Spec. So isn't that a "Kettle you're black!" kind of thing?

I've at least said Mario could be a good run stopper.

All you ever do is say "LoL, RB is a WR"

Reread what I wrote, I said Mario does need to learn, and that last year moving him around was not a good idea, I think it stunted some of his learning that he needs to do. I am just not as overly critical. I point out that he does need to do things better than last year. But you have already labled him a bust, and there is no way to say a rookie is a bust.

I do not have a Mario crush, but I do not hate the guy either. That is the huge differance. You hate the guy.

Weaver did not have a good year and TJ had his normal very poor showing, and until Maddox was incerted into the lineup, Mario had vertually no help on the D-line. Plus his sore foot and some poor techniques at times did not help either. J Peppers or R White can not do squat without supporting players. I am one who wants to see continued progress before I just trash a guy just cause he was not my choice.

gtexan02
08-03-2007, 02:00 PM
The Mario excuses sound just like the Reggie Bush excuses:

"Mario draws double teams and allows others to play better!"

"Reggie controls the attention of the entire defense, and makes others play better!"

I refuse to believe either of these

Specnatz
08-03-2007, 02:59 PM
Your right gtexan, both would be excuses.

bush would be nothing without the supporting cast he has, the same that Mario or any D lineman would be nothing without a supporting cast. Both still have a long way to go before they are in the top of there respective positions.

Dallas_Texan
08-03-2007, 03:26 PM
Show a mean streak!!!!!!!

michaelm
08-03-2007, 03:45 PM
Sack VY 3+ times in two games and beat the Titans twice.
Tackle RB for a loss 2+ times (maybe ring his bell, or force a fumble on one of them :) ) and beat the Saints.

badboy
08-03-2007, 03:48 PM
Reggie White.

If only there was a vast electronic data network I could search from my desktop... <wink>that would actually be the mind of John Mc Clain right? Right? Where did all of you go? They were here just a minute ago. Me and John Mc CLain, John Mc Clain, we gotta thing going on.. Ok I'll stop.

badboy
08-03-2007, 03:54 PM
statwise, to stave off you calling him the "b" word? I only ask b/c i happened to pop on Davies & dukes this morning & they were sort of talking about it.

Maybe you look at it differently, not so much what Mario has to do statwise, but what does the defensive unit/line have to accomplish for you to feel Mario is at least becoming the force you thought he could be?Mario simply put needs to put a smile on Bob McNair's face.

Mr teX
08-03-2007, 04:08 PM
Mario simply put needs to put a smile on Bob McNair's face.

DC did that, & you see how that turned out....

leebigeztx
08-03-2007, 04:13 PM
mario did what i thought he would do. actually i think he would have had 8 or 9 sacks if not for the foot problem. He's progressing and someone said earlier about being good isn't enough as number 1 pick, but wasn't russel maryland good but not great? he was a key member of a 3 time superbowl champ cowboys team. I think if he's healthy and the offense plays better, mario will have 70 tackles and 10 sacks, but unlike freeney, he plays the run very well. freeney can put pressure on the qb, but when teams have their playbook open and run the ball and control the clock, freeney is a non factor.

HOU-TEX
08-03-2007, 04:15 PM
DC did that, & you see how that turned out....

LOL! Touche'

Mario just needs to be a strong contributer helping the Texans get some wins. People won't throw the bust tag around so loosely if the team is getting W's by putting beating's on other teams.:texflag:

badboy
08-03-2007, 04:17 PM
DC did that, & you see how that turned out....
Yep, DC did five years but until McNair was convinced to move on... Is that possible with this #1 pick? Carr was the "face" of the team and Mario has the VY/Bush thing. Maybe McNair will hold out for Mario if needed. I do not think it will even be an issue cause Mario and the Dline going to be just fine.

New_Texans
08-03-2007, 04:17 PM
8+ sacks would be nice........but i think i'd like to see him have 20 more tfls too

leebigeztx
08-03-2007, 04:21 PM
After all of the high totals teams put up early, the defense and mario played better ;late. Actually, when dalton entered the team, the run defense improved greatly, but carr just plain sucked. I mean the running game avg 130 per game the last month and the passing game still didn't do anything.

Matt
08-03-2007, 04:29 PM
Break Vince Young's leg. :shades:

The sunglasses make me think you are being facetious. I think you meant to put :bat:

Hagar
08-03-2007, 05:19 PM
I donít want to put a number on Mario to say heís a boom or a bust. Obviously, if he has 10+ sacks and 50+ tackles, heís not a bust but is he really doing the best he can? I know he was hurt much of the year, but I also know he played nowhere near his potential last year either.

The article about Mario getting mad at practice the other day the other day showed me a lot about his character or possibly, lack there of. I want to see effort on the field. Numbers donít always tell the whole story and good number can mask underlying problems. Carr had an outstanding completion percentage, but that didnít make him a good QB.

I guess itís the underdog lover in me, but Iíd rather see a mutt bust his butt, then a thorough breed prance.

gtexan02
08-03-2007, 05:22 PM
If he bought me tickets to the game, I'd be happy as well

Hervoyel
08-03-2007, 05:27 PM
"So what does Mario have to do this year?"

I've undertaken a lengthy study of the situation and I've concluded that the only way Mario Williams can possibly silence all of his critics will be for him to do the following:

1. Sack Quarterbacks WITH ONLY THE POWER OF HIS MIND!

2. Sack Vince Young every week whether we're playing the Titans or not.

3. Tackle Reggie Bush every week whether we're playing the Saints or not.

4. Sack David Carr every week whether we're playing the Panthers or not and whether David Carr is playing or not.

5. Do both 2, 3, and 4 with style and gusto. Assume the "Captain Morgan Stance" following every sack or tackle.

6. Buy the entire Bull Pen a beer following every great play whether we're playing at home that week or not.

7. Loan the moderators of Texans Talk the orange Lamborghini during the season so we can take turns driving it to games (Dibs on the Kansas City game).

8. Make Jason Babin and Travis Johnson play like guys who were finished watching their draft before the end of round 1. Find a cure for "Babin-Johnson Syndrome" in our lifetime before it affects other promising young players (like Amobi-Wan).

9. Give Jerry Jones and the Cowboys attitude like Gary Walker talking smack in 2002. Do this every week whether we're playing the Cowboys or not. Do the same for the Titans. Never forget that your fans hate them both. Show us that you do too.

10. Appear in public regularly with Elvin Bethea, Earl Campbell, and Mike Munchak, and Bruce Mathews. Get to know Bum before he's gone and demonstrate that you learned something from them in interviews and on the field. Make yourself at home and become part of this city like they did.

That should get it done. I think.

HOU-TEX
08-03-2007, 05:34 PM
"So what does Mario have to do this year?"

I've undertaken a lengthy study of the situation and I've concluded that the only way Mario Williams can possibly silence all of his critics will be for him to do the following:

1. Sack Quarterbacks WITH ONLY THE POWER OF HIS MIND!

2. Sack Vince Young every week whether we're playing the Titans or not.

3. Tackle Reggie Bush every week whether we're playing the Saints or not.

4. Sack David Carr every week whether we're playing the Panthers or not and whether David Carr is playing or not.

5. Do both 2, 3, and 4 with style and gusto. Assume the "Captain Morgan Stance" following every sack or tackle.

6. Buy the entire Bull Pen a beer following every great play whether we're playing at home that week or not.

7. Loan the moderators of Texans Talk the orange Lamborghini during the season so we can take turns driving it to games (Dibs on the Kansas City game).

8. Make Jason Babin and Travis Johnson play like guys who were finished watching their draft before the end of round 1. Find a cure for "Babin-Johnson Syndrome" in our lifetime before it affects other promising young players (like Amobi-Wan).

9. Give Jerry Jones and the Cowboys attitude like Gary Walker talking smack in 2002. Do this every week whether we're playing the Cowboys or not. Do the same for the Titans. Never forget that your fans hate them both. Show us that you do too.

10. Appear in public regularly with Elvin Bethea, Earl Campbell, and Mike Munchak, and Bruce Mathews. Get to know Bum before he's gone and demonstrate that you learned something from them in interviews and on the field. Make yourself at home and become part of this city like they did.

That should get it done. I think.

There ya go. Lock it up...championship.:trophy:

Texanmike02
08-03-2007, 06:58 PM
Here's the thing. As a Houston fan of all sports I'm becoming less and less concerned with what a player does individually. If you have a bust in the 1st round but follow it up with 2-3 diamonds in the rough that's pretty much a wash.

I'm honestly not sure what to expect from Mario this year because I'm not sure what to expect from the rest of the line. Most of those guys that he gets compared to (Freeny/Smith etc) went to teams with established pass rushers on the team already. Peppers had Brenston Buckner, Kris Jenkins and Mike Rucker on the line his rookie year. Freeny had Chad Bratzke, Scioi and Triplett on his line. I realize that they may not have put up huge numbers but they formed a formidable line. Mario came to a team that was switching from a 3-4 to a 4-3. The only person on his line who was even of NFL caliber was Weaver. Maddox was found mid year but he is not even assured a starting spot this year. TJ has been a joke and our Babin experiment is quickly looking like Chernobyl. Mario, in his injury plagued rookie year, was the only person on the line that needed to be accounted for. I'm not making excuses for him... I still think he will develop into a fine DL but comparing his situation to theirs is just crazy. If he gets 8 sacks this year, plays the run very effectively and sprinkles in some tfls and say 50 - 60 tackles, it will be hard to call him a bust. The extra 3 sacks you're looking for that you would get from Peppers and/or Freeny come at the cost of countless rushing yards because neither one of them, but especially Freeny, is a presence against the run. If you wanted to term somebody on this team a bust it would have to be Babin, who like Freeny is a one trick pony who rushes the passer and waves at the rb as he runs by.

Mike

The Pencil Neck
08-03-2007, 07:30 PM
I'm not worried about stats for Mario, I just want him to play well. I want him to look like he knows what he's doing out there and not look like he's thinking too much like he did much of last year. I want him playing instinctively and strong. I also want to see more than a bull rush from him.

But...

Until he puts up some big stats and makes the highlight reels week after week, he's going to be Sam Bowie to the press and to people who don't follow the Texans.

So, I really WANT him to put up some sexy stats along the way to us having the dominant defense of the year and I really want him to shut thos people up... I'm just not worried about his stats personally.

Texanmike02
08-03-2007, 07:33 PM
I really want him to shut thos people up... I'm just not worried about his stats personally.

Conversely a SB or two in the next 4 or 5 years would achieve the same thing.

Mike

Oh wait, I'm the pessimist I'm not supposed to be talking about SBs

The Pencil Neck
08-03-2007, 07:35 PM
Conversely a SB or two in the next 4 or 5 years would achieve the same thing.

Mike

Oh wait, I'm the pessimist I'm not supposed to be talking about SBs

The fabric of the universe is now irreparably torn.

It's the end of the world as we know it.

BattleRedToro
08-03-2007, 08:15 PM
Two words...win games.

The Texans improved their Win total by exactly the same amount as the media darling Vince Young's Titans did last year, but all I heard was how Mario was a bust and Vince was a winner. So, it seems winning games is not enough. :bat:

gtexan02
08-03-2007, 10:05 PM
"So what does Mario have to do this year?"

I've undertaken a lengthy study of the situation and I've concluded that the only way Mario Williams can possibly silence all of his critics will be for him to do the following:

1. Sack Quarterbacks WITH ONLY THE POWER OF HIS MIND!

2. Sack Vince Young every week whether we're playing the Titans or not.

3. Tackle Reggie Bush every week whether we're playing the Saints or not.

4. Sack David Carr every week whether we're playing the Panthers or not and whether David Carr is playing or not.

5. Do both 2, 3, and 4 with style and gusto. Assume the "Captain Morgan Stance" following every sack or tackle.

6. Buy the entire Bull Pen a beer following every great play whether we're playing at home that week or not.

7. Loan the moderators of Texans Talk the orange Lamborghini during the season so we can take turns driving it to games (Dibs on the Kansas City game).

8. Make Jason Babin and Travis Johnson play like guys who were finished watching their draft before the end of round 1. Find a cure for "Babin-Johnson Syndrome" in our lifetime before it affects other promising young players (like Amobi-Wan).

9. Give Jerry Jones and the Cowboys attitude like Gary Walker talking smack in 2002. Do this every week whether we're playing the Cowboys or not. Do the same for the Titans. Never forget that your fans hate them both. Show us that you do too.

10. Appear in public regularly with Elvin Bethea, Earl Campbell, and Mike Munchak, and Bruce Mathews. Get to know Bum before he's gone and demonstrate that you learned something from them in interviews and on the field. Make yourself at home and become part of this city like they did.

That should get it done. I think.
What? You aren't even requiring him to play any offense aas well??

Koolaid Time
08-03-2007, 10:21 PM
statwise, to stave off you calling him the "b" word? I only ask b/c i happened to pop on Davies & dukes this morning & they were sort of talking about it.

Maybe you look at it differently, not so much what Mario has to do statwise, but what does the defensive unit/line have to accomplish for you to feel Mario is at least becoming the force you thought he could be?

Some people say "Walk on Water" and along with "Raising a Few Dead People"...

But Mario can have 12 sacks, 60 tackles, etc. and the defense still can stink.

Its a TEAM Sport. He can't stop an offense all by himself. There are 10 other people on the field that need his help, and he needs theirs. He is just a important cog in a big machine

nedthehead
08-05-2007, 09:07 AM
he is already a bust.:gun:

aj.
08-05-2007, 10:39 AM
What does Mario have to do this year?

Disrupt and dominate. Several times per game, every game.

The1ApplePie
08-05-2007, 10:47 AM
he is already a bust? jesus f'n christ, is this a texans board or an espn board?

if he used his strength and size appropriately, i don't see how anyone could stop him from getting around them. or through them. a 6'7''ish 280ish fast, bulky manbull would scare me to death to lineup across from. personally, i would LOVE to see mario just pushing people around and using that god given ability to put the hurt on some oline scum. numbers will come after that...

Most Tackles would much rather face a big monster than a guy like Freeny, Suggs or Abraham. You know what Mario is going to do to you, he's going to bullrush every play. If you can physically equal or outmatch him, he does nothing. If you can't, then go for those big legs he doesn't protect.

I fear for Mario's knees, since the Texans have the Broncos this year.

Honoring Earl 34
08-05-2007, 11:02 AM
I don't expect Mario to be in the Pro-Bowl but I do expect him to get some votes . :wild:

HJam72
08-05-2007, 02:22 PM
It would help tremendously . . . . if he came to my house and did the money over the balcony thing. :fans:

ObsiWan
08-05-2007, 02:30 PM
Has to put up Freeny or Peppers like numbers, simple as that.

No.

That's a fantasy football league answer.
If he holds up his side of the line and contributes to us having a top ten defense and a winning season, he's done his job.

The fact that he was drafted #1, as opposed to DeMeco, isn't his fault. We have them both and theyr'e solidifying our young & improving defense.

As long as we win who gives a crap about the draft order? Only radio talkshow hosts (the Jerry Springers of the sports world) who's sole purpose in life is to keep crap stirred up so people will keep calling in.

ObsiWan
08-05-2007, 02:33 PM
he is already a bust.:gun:

Spoken like a true airhead.

...or a troll

Specnatz
08-06-2007, 03:57 AM
Spoken like a true airhead.

...or a troll

the second answer is correct, read post history.

TexansSeminole
08-06-2007, 04:37 AM
Mr teX, I will always remember you for this post: http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=469439&postcount=72.
Back then I was crazy for thinking Carr couldn't lead the Texans.

It's true, maybe not to the extreme he's speaking of, but its true. In the last 15-20 years you've seen QB's win & get to the superbowl just "managing" games. When people think of Trent Dilfer, do you think they are going to remember him as a great leader? How about Stan Humphries of the Chargers or jake delhomme? All those guys pretty much fell into oblivion after the superbowl.


THIS IS A TEAM GAME PEOPLE & IMO DC is no different than a Steve Young, John Elway or someone like Brett Favre as far as his ability to lead. All of those guys weren't/aren't fiery on the sideline or in the huddle. The only difference is that this team just doesn't have enough of this thing we call talent to be successful on a week to week basis.

I still am amazed by this post. It boggles my mind.