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nunusguy
07-23-2007, 09:32 AM
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/2007-top-25-series.htm
Montana produced some of the most memorable plays in NFL playoff history. In the 1981 NFC title game, he lifted the 49ers to their first Super Bowl by leading a legendary 89-yard, fourth-quarter drive that ended in a 6-yard high, floating touchdown pass to Dwight Clark a play that became known simply as "The Catch." It gave San Francisco a 28-27 defeat of Dallas. Seven years later, Montana engineered a 92-yard drive against the Bengals in Super Bowl XXIII that ended with his 10-yard strike to John Taylor in the end zone with 34 seconds left that beat Cincinnati 20-16.
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"The Catch" may be the most overrated football play I've ever seen, and IMO no way Montana was better than Elway, who not only had a better arm and was a better runner than Montana, but was also just as great in the clutch.
Montana's biggest asset was playing in the very high profile SF Bay Area vs the relative hinterlands of the rocky mountain front range where Elway spent his whole career.

Texan_Bill
07-23-2007, 09:46 AM
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/2007-top-25-series.htm
Montana produced some of the most memorable plays in NFL playoff history. In the 1981 NFC title game, he lifted the 49ers to their first Super Bowl by leading a legendary 89-yard, fourth-quarter drive that ended in a 6-yard high, floating touchdown pass to Dwight Clark a play that became known simply as "The Catch." It gave San Francisco a 28-27 defeat of Dallas. Seven years later, Montana engineered a 92-yard drive against the Bengals in Super Bowl XXIII that ended with his 10-yard strike to John Taylor in the end zone with 34 seconds left that beat Cincinnati 20-16.
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"The Catch" may be the most overrated football play I've ever seen, and IMO no way Montana was better than Elway, who not only had a better arm and was a better runner than Montana, but was also just as great in the clutch.
Montana's biggest asset was playing in the very high profile SF Bay Area vs the relative hinterlands of the rocky mountain front range where Elway spent his whole career.

At the end of the day, Joe owns scoreboard... end of discussion.

Texans Horror
07-23-2007, 10:52 AM
Well, DUH...this is Montana we're talking about. Of course he's the best in the last 25 years! Nobody else compares. NOBODY.

Can you tell I'm a Montana fan?

GoPats
07-23-2007, 10:58 AM
Elway actually stunk it up at times in big games early in his career. His first two SB appearances weren't exactly memorable. Don't get me wrong, I was a big fan of the guy, but he wasn't the clutch performer early on that he was later in his career.

Montana deservedly is regarded as the best "big game" QB in history. Who'd you rather have with the game on the line? I can't think of anyone, including a guy playing in Pats' blue right now.

The Dream
07-23-2007, 11:44 AM
Call me crazy but I'll still take Elway....Joe was great and would be #2 on my list, but he played with a guy by the name of Jerry Rice for the majority of his career....Elway ended up being a clutch performer also..... combine that with his running ability and he gets the edge in my book.

"The Catch" may be the most overrated football play I've ever seen, and IMO no way Montana was better than Elway, who not only had a better arm and was a better runner than Montana, but was also just as great in the clutch.
Montana's biggest asset was playing in the very high profile SF Bay Area vs the relative hinterlands of the rocky mountain front range where Elway spent his whole career.

agreed.

The Dream
07-23-2007, 11:48 AM
I'm sorry, but Brady isn't a top 10 player of all time........he just isn't....his "big game" heroics are overrated and he's not on the level of Favre on Marino.

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And where's the love for Chris Carter?????..........Chris will always be my favorite receiver to play the game and if not for playing the same era with Jerry (who was better) he'd get a lot more recognition.

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I just had to come back and talk about Brady some more....seriously he has never had a game winning drive in a big game that I can think of....Vinaterri had to bang in 2 long FGs against the Rams and Panthers, but somehow Tom got all the credit......the guy has benefitted from playing with stacked talent on both ends of the ball (especially the defensive end) and a coach who is a master mind when it comes to exploiting teams weaknesses.....Tom Brady wouldn't even make my top 25 of this era.

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Earl Cambell > Tom Brady

nunusguy
07-23-2007, 12:03 PM
Montana deservedly is regarded as the best "big game" QB in history.

The most common defintion of a "big game" of course is the SB, and that's usually how most people rate Montana as better: he was on the winning team
4 times vs. Elways 2 games. Give Elway the teams Monatana played with and
Montana Elway's teammates and I'd suspect the score would have been 5 or 6 to 1 or maybe 0 in favor of Elway. Can you imagine Elway with Jerry Rice as his receiver, who of course is the very player that USAToday ranked #2 in the last 25 years ? Elway never played with that kind of talent.
Elway made throws, runs, plays by himself that Montana could only dream about and was clearly a vastly more talented football player.

The Dream
07-23-2007, 12:04 PM
The most common defintion of a "big game" of course is the SB, and that's usually how most people rate Montana as better: he was on the winning team
4 times vs. Elways 2 games. Give Elway the teams Monatana played with and
Montana Elway's teammates and I'd suspect the score would have been 5 or 6 to 1 or maybe 0 in favor of Elway. Can you imagine Elway with Jerry Rice as his receiver, who of course is the very player that USAToday ranked #2 in the last 25 years ? Elway never played with that kind of talent.
Elway made throws, runs, plays by himself that Montana could only dream about and was clearly a vastly more talented football player.

CHUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCH!!!

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I'm a big Emmitt fan, but similar to Montana he always had great talent around him...............Barry Sanders > Emmit.........and Barry > Brady x 1,000,000

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They forgot a man by the name of Tim Brown also.

Overalls
07-23-2007, 01:17 PM
Unfortunately I was able to witness Elway beating the Oilers, first hand at Mile High in 91 and 92.

Blazing Arrow
07-23-2007, 01:18 PM
Pre back surgery Montana for sure. If you put Montana's best versus Steve Young's best I would take Young, IMO. Close though.

Blazing Arrow
07-23-2007, 01:19 PM
Unfortunately I was able to witness Elway beating the Oilers, first hand at Mile High in 91 and 92.

Yeah screw Elway.

Double Barrel
07-23-2007, 01:38 PM
At the end of the day, Joe owns scoreboard... end of discussion.

yep. :cowboy1:

Take the 1989 Super Bowl against the Cincinnati Bengals. The San Francisco 49ers were down by three points with 3:20 left when Montana spotted -- no, not an open receiver -- but a personality. "There, in the stands, standing near the exit ramp," Montana said to tackle Harris Barton. "Isn't that John Candy?" And then he led the 49ers 92 yards, throwing for the winning touchdown with 34 seconds left.

This was one of Montana's 31 fourth-quarters comeback in the NFL.

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Montana won four Super Bowls in four appearances and became the only player to earn the Roman numeral game's MVP three times (and the other contest was the game-winning drive).

In these four games, he put up Super numbers, completing 83-of-122 passes (68 percent) for 1,142 yards with 11 touchdowns and no interceptions. His knows how to compute this rating, or even what it means, it is known that 127.8 is a figure beyond that of mortal men).

Source (http://espn.go.com/sportscentury/features/00016306.html)

FOUR Super Bowls and not even one INT?!

(By comparison, Elway threw 8 INTs in five Super Bowl appearances. And I'm not doggin' Elway, as he's in my top 5 greatest QBs list.)

Vinny
07-23-2007, 01:46 PM
Both great QBs...I'd take either to run my offense. I wouldn't cry about not getting one over the other...simple as that.

ccdude730
07-23-2007, 01:48 PM
cool joe > elway

Specnatz
07-23-2007, 01:56 PM
Both great QBs...I'd take either to run my offense. I wouldn't cry about not getting one over the other...simple as that.

Was it

Chiefs vs Broncos on a monday night game where the score kept going back and forth and each had a lead changing score late in the 4th quarter?

Immobilarity
07-23-2007, 03:17 PM
I'll have to take Montana for the sole reason that he is the last great QB that will come out of Notre Dame.

Wolf
07-23-2007, 10:18 PM
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/2007-top-25-series.htm
Montana produced some of the most memorable plays in NFL playoff history. In the 1981 NFC title game, he lifted the 49ers to their first Super Bowl by leading a legendary 89-yard, fourth-quarter drive that ended in a 6-yard high, floating touchdown pass to Dwight Clark a play that became known simply as "The Catch." It gave San Francisco a 28-27 defeat of Dallas. Seven years later, Montana engineered a 92-yard drive against the Bengals in Super Bowl XXIII that ended with his 10-yard strike to John Taylor in the end zone with 34 seconds left that beat Cincinnati 20-16.
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"The Catch" may be the most overrated football play I've ever seen, and IMO no way Montana was better than Elway, who not only had a better arm and was a better runner than Montana, but was also just as great in the clutch.
Montana's biggest asset was playing in the very high profile SF Bay Area vs the relative hinterlands of the rocky mountain front range where Elway spent his whole career.

not dogging Montana, but yes "The Catch" is the most overrated thing I have seen ... Danny white drove them down (and fumbled dang it)and drew Person , if a step faster would have been gone for a TD and Dallas wins... heck next season after '81 they didn't even make the playoffs.

anyway I am not dogging the forty niners, they had great teams in the '80's , I am dogging "The Catch" and the only reason is media makes it seem like it was the last play of the game..

Want to talk about "The Catch" (well not to John Madden) ..franco harris and his "catch"

Wolf
07-23-2007, 10:18 PM
Both great QBs...I'd take either to run my offense. I wouldn't cry about not getting one over the other...simple as that.

agreed

GoPats
07-24-2007, 09:13 AM
The most common defintion of a "big game" of course is the SB, and that's usually how most people rate Montana as better: he was on the winning team
4 times vs. Elways 2 games. Give Elway the teams Monatana played with and
Montana Elway's teammates and I'd suspect the score would have been 5 or 6 to 1 or maybe 0 in favor of Elway. Can you imagine Elway with Jerry Rice as his receiver, who of course is the very player that USAToday ranked #2 in the last 25 years ? Elway never played with that kind of talent.
Elway made throws, runs, plays by himself that Montana could only dream about and was clearly a vastly more talented football player.

I don't know man, Elway played on some pretty damn good Denver teams. It wasn't until they got TD and had some balance that they finally won "the big one," but it's not like Elway's wideouts were scrap-pile rejects.

I agree that PHYSICALLY - in terms of mobility, arm strength, athleticism, etc - Elway was superior to Montana. And BOTH guys are top five all-time, IMO. But personally I'd just have Montana a little higher because of the "scoreboard factor," like everyone else said.

Texan_Bill
07-24-2007, 11:10 AM
I'll have to take Montana for the sole reason that he is the last great QB that will come out of Notre Dame.

What... ?? No Rick Mirer???!?

Specnatz
07-24-2007, 01:37 PM
What... ?? No Rick Mirer???!?

Steve Beurline

GuerillaBlack
07-24-2007, 01:42 PM
****in Joe Theisman.

Texan_Bill
07-24-2007, 01:45 PM
Ron Powlus

Specnatz
07-24-2007, 02:44 PM
Ron Powlus

Jerk :)