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OzzO
07-21-2007, 11:00 AM
I just noticed on my tickets there is no longer Gallery Furniture gate, it's now Amegy Bank gate. (maybe I'm a little late with this knowledge) but I found it humorous.

By golly, if I take out 2 full page ads for a player and you don't take him - I'm taking my money elsewhere. Do you know who I AM?!?!?!? </Jimmy Mac voice>

BattleRedToro
07-21-2007, 11:15 AM
I just noticed on my tickets there is no longer Gallery Furniture gate, it's now Amegy Bank gate. (maybe I'm a little late with this knowledge) but I found it humorous.

By golly, if I take out 2 full page ads for a player and you don't take him - I'm taking my money elsewhere. Do you know who I AM?!?!?!? </Jimmy Mac voice>

This is the beauty of the free market system. He can now take his money and advertise with University of Texas or however he prefers and Amegy Bank is more than happy to take his place, advertising with the Texans. He was a fool to make his thinly veiled threats of taking his advertising elsewhere if the Texans didn't take Vince Young, as if the Texans would suffer without him.

Hey, note to Mattress Mac, this is the NFL, not Houston Wrestling or the Westside Tennis Club. Your money is chump change to the NFL.

:texflag:

TEXANSTAILGATER
07-21-2007, 11:18 AM
I did hear Mattress Wac whine about being stuck for another 2 (or 3) years.

Way to go Mr. McNair. Gave him his chump change back and told him to "Have a nice day!"

I like it.

Vinny
07-21-2007, 11:49 AM
I just noticed on my tickets there is no longer Gallery Furniture gate, it's now Amegy Bank gate. (maybe I'm a little late with this knowledge) but I found it humorous.

By golly, if I take out 2 full page ads for a player and you don't take him - I'm taking my money elsewhere. Do you know who I AM?!?!?!? </Jimmy Mac voice>
That's how the free market is supposed to work. You put your money in things you want to support.

Double Barrel
07-21-2007, 01:32 PM
yep, in a free market economy, businesses can decide where to advertise that will benefit them the most. Maybe he pulled his dollars from the Texans because Texans fans haven't been shopping at his store? It could always be market forces, and I know a few people that no longer shop there because of perceived slights towards the team. Some folks bear grudges, which can go both ways.

TxDavid
07-21-2007, 01:44 PM
That's not the only one.....

The Miller Lite Gate is now the Comcast gate.

HJam72
07-21-2007, 01:53 PM
Yeah, and the David Carr jersey is now the Matt Schaub jersey....doh! :gun:

Speedy
07-21-2007, 03:20 PM
That's not the only one.....

The Miller Lite Gate is now the Comcast gate.But the parking lots are now called the Miller Lite Parking lots, the Miller Lite Yellow Lot, Miller Lite Orange Lot and so on.

Miller Lite is still backing the Texans.

As for Mac, he can load up the moving vans and take his business to 6006 I-65 north between Trinity and Ewing for all I care.

Double Barrel
07-21-2007, 03:30 PM
Yeah, and the David Carr jersey is now the Matt Schaub jersey....doh! :gun:

heh, someone could cash in by selling Schaub name patches to be sewn on their number 8 jerseys. People have asked me what they should do with their YKW jerseys, and I tell them to wear them! Never be ashamed of a player that was on our team (unless he's a convicted felon). I never fault people for wearing Boselli jerseys, either.

Big deal, they're still Texans fans! :fans:

whiskeyrbl
07-21-2007, 04:24 PM
Yeah, and the David Carr jersey is now the Matt Schaub jersey....doh! :gun:
LOL funny sh1t, rep coming your way.

nunusguy
07-21-2007, 04:39 PM
I don't give a damn where Mac spends his advertising dollars, but I sure wish McNair would have taken his advice about last years Draft.

Second Honeymoon
07-21-2007, 05:12 PM
I don't give a damn where Mac spends his advertising dollars, but I sure wish McNair would have taken his advice about last years Draft.


QFT Quoted For Truth

If I was Mac, I would probably feel the same way. The stars aligned and McNair blew it. Mac does a lot of good stuff for this city, he gets a pass for pulling out his sponsorship imho.

powerfuldragon
07-21-2007, 05:12 PM
good riddance.

HJam72
07-21-2007, 09:20 PM
heh, someone could cash in by selling Schaub name patches to be sewn on their number 8 jerseys. People have asked me what they should do with their YKW jerseys, and I tell them to wear them! Never be ashamed of a player that was on our team (unless he's a convicted felon). I never fault people for wearing Boselli jerseys, either.

Big deal, they're still Texans fans! :fans:

Good idea. :shades:

the wonger need food
07-21-2007, 09:26 PM
Boo hoooo for Mattress Mac. He's the biggest VY titty-baby in this town. Maybe he'll move his business to Tennessee to be with the object of his man-crush.

brakos82
07-21-2007, 09:41 PM
heh, someone could cash in by selling Schaub name patches to be sewn on their number 8 jerseys.

You should do that.
Never be ashamed of a player that was on our team (unless he's a convicted felon).

So what are the Bangals fans supposed to do?:shades:

Texans_Chick
07-21-2007, 11:54 PM
QFT Quoted For Truth

If I was Mac, I would probably feel the same way. The stars aligned and McNair blew it. Mac does a lot of good stuff for this city, he gets a pass for pulling out his sponsorship imho.

Oh pul-eeze.

Mac did his full page ad supporting VY the day before the draft. By that time, it was way to late to do anything other than being an attention ho.

The 2006 draft was a product of horrible timing and a GM who was reluctant to seriously consider unconventional players or to give up on DC.

Vince declares in January. He hires an inexperienced family friend to be his agent. Someone with no negotiating track record and someone inexperienced with shepherding someone through the draft process. The sort of agent who in the agent scheme of things is one step above Master P. His agent immediately mishandled various PR matters relating to VY. Some things football related and some things not so much.

An experienced agent, someone like a Leigh Steinberg might have made the case in JANUARY to the Texans that VY by any measure should be the first pick in the draft and as worth giving up on Carr, retraining a QB, AND foregoing the opportunity cost of not picking Bush. To take VY would have been a significantly unconventional football move based on the information that existed at the time. (The belief that Carr was an athletic QB that could be coached up if he had actual decent coaching).

Carr's option had to be picked up in March. If the Texans dumped him then, they get nothing and have no quarterbacks. (Sage was signed in mid March) If they go that route, they are basically held hostage to VY and his agent with no track record. Because as unhappy as Texans fans were last year passing VY/Bush, they would have burnt down Reliant if the Texans went QB and didn't pick VY. Or picked Bush and relied on Rosenfels. Whoever was going to end up as the QB of the Texans not named VY wasn't going to get a fair shake from fans, and this is an effect that the Texans underestimated. Of the non-VY quarterbacks, Carr was the conventional choice based on at least the promise of early 2004.

I own three "Draft Vince" shirts. I put them away after Carr's contract was picked up because it would make no sense to take VY at that point.

The Bush non-pick was also a result of some terrible timing too. (All the NCAA violation payment stuff hitting the fan right before the draft and not really realizing the seriousness of Dominick DW's knee or that Mathis was going to be out all season).

All this Vick stuff illustrates the perils of off-field stuff to your salary cap. Federal prosecutions are all about discretion. The Feds are still investigating various aspects of the Reggie Bush payment stuff. (sorta like the feds investigated that NBA ref thing for a long time before it just recently came out). If the feds have Bush on tape admitting to taking payments, it is not much of a stretch to bust someone for not paying income taxes. The Texans claim that money was not the issue, and off-field stuff was not the issue, but I can't imagine those things helped up much.

A lot of people thought San Diego was stupid when they passed up Vick. Now, not so much. Funny how time changes perceptions.

(I also think that Bush would be a Houston Texan if his agent had done a better job. Bush's pre-draft posturing that he was excited about being the first pick [but rarely saying that he was excited to come to Houston though he expressed a lot of excitement about being in New York] didn't help his stock here.)

Neither here nor there. It would be interesting seeing an alternative history where either Vince or Reggie is drafted. I can see a million different histories, some good, some not so good, and the answer is that once choices are made, you never know what would have happened in the alternative histories.

Texans_Chick
07-21-2007, 11:55 PM
Boo hoooo for Mattress Mac. He's the biggest VY titty-baby in this town. Maybe he'll move his business to Tennessee to be with the object of his man-crush.

He sat behind me during the Texans-Titans game. He sat with VY's mom.

Specnatz
07-22-2007, 12:12 AM
Oh pul-eeze.

Mac did his full page ad supporting VY the day before the draft. By that time, it was way to late to do anything other than being an attention ho.


I would rep you if it allowd me to.



:texflag: :texans chick:


History is a funny thing, people love to rewrite it and forget about all the facts of what happened.

brakos82
07-22-2007, 12:14 AM
I would rep you if it allowd me to.

I did for you.:shades:

BeerTastesLikeVictory
07-22-2007, 12:22 AM
I can spread some rep, so TC its coming your way. This train does not go in reverse, let look ahead and maybe someday we can put this VY nonsense to bed.

nunusguy
07-22-2007, 10:18 AM
"An experienced agent, someone like a Leigh Steinberg might have made the case in JANUARY to the Texans that VY by any measure should be the first pick in the draft and as worth giving up on Carr"
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Oh it's now VYs agents fault that the Texans didn't draft him ? That's downright silly. Its the Texans fault, nobody elses that they held on to Carr and passed on VY. That kind of statement might make you the supreme apologists for the bumbling incompetence of the Texans in the 2006 Draft.
Now I'm not a big Reggie Bush fan - yet. But obviously he's looking much better than what we got so far. But to blame bad-timing (really another way of saying bad-luck), is also silly. Didn't seem to stop the Saints from quickly making the smart decision ? I think it has more to do with being overly prudent and too tentative and too risk aversive.
I have to wonder where the man was who effectively and decisively dealt with the shrewd and evil corporate bad guys like Ken Lay & Jeff Skilling at the former energy titan Enron when negotiating a sweet deal to cash out his Cogeneration business and become a billionaire in liquid terms ?
IMO that guy deserted Bob McNair big-time when he needed him most in terms of making the best decisions for his franchise during the 2006 NFL Draft.

BattleRedToro
07-22-2007, 10:55 AM
"An experienced agent, someone like a Leigh Steinberg might have made the case in JANUARY to the Texans that VY by any measure should be the first pick in the draft and as worth giving up on Carr"
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Oh it's now VYs agents fault that the Texans didn't draft him ? That's downright silly. Its the Texans fault, nobody elses that they held on to Carr and passed on VY. That kind of statement might make you the supreme apologists for the bumbling incompetence of the Texans in the 2006 Draft.
Now I'm not a big Reggie Bush fan - yet. But obviously he's looking much better than what we got so far. But to blame bad-timing (really another way of saying bad-luck), is also silly. Didn't seem to stop the Saints from quickly making the smart decision ? I think it has more to do with being overly prudent and too tentative and too risk aversive.
I have to wonder where the man was who effectively and decisively dealt with the shrewd and evil corporate bad guys like Ken Lay & Jeff Skilling at the former energy titan Enron when negotiating a sweet deal to cash out his Cogeneration business and become a billionaire in liquid terms ?
IMO that guy deserted Bob McNair big-time when he needed him most in terms of making the best decisions for his franchise during the 2006 NFL Draft.

I'm tired of these assertions that it has been proven that the Texans made a mistake in 2006 by drafting Mario Williams. On the other hand, one of the areas of concern for Reggie Bush was validated when it was shown last season that he struggled to run between the Offensive Tackles. Critics of Mario Williams often point to his unimpressive statistics. Meanwhile, Vince Young was given nearly all the credit for the Titans success despite his pathetic statistics. And all of these conclusions are after only 1 season of performance to judge. I say, given time, we will all see how each of the top 3 picks of the 2006 draft really can perform.

As for the Saints, they tried to shop the 2nd Overal Draft pick to others just as the Texans had tried to shop the 1st and the Saints said the same thing that the Texans did, nobody made them an offer.

You have it backwards, drafting Reggie Bush would have been risk aversive. It takes real guts to draft someone you believe will make your team better that isn't the darling of the sports media. You look at the manner in which the Texans organization has been derided in the sports media since then and you're going to tell me they were risk aversive. Who took the bigger risk, the Texans or the Saints?

nunusguy
07-22-2007, 11:39 AM
I'm tired of these assertions that it has been proven that the Texans made a mistake in 2006 by drafting Mario Williams. On the other hand, one of the areas of concern for Reggie Bush was validated when it was shown last season that he struggled to run between the Offensive Tackles. Critics of Mario Williams often point to his unimpressive statistics. Meanwhile, Vince Young was given nearly all the credit for the Titans success despite his pathetic statistics. And all of these conclusions are after only 1 season of performance to judge. I say, given time, we will all see how each of the top 3 picks of the 2006 draft really can perform.
As for the Saints, they tried to shop the 2nd Overal Draft pick to others just as the Texans had tried to shop the 1st and the Saints said the same thing that the Texans did, nobody made them an offer.
You have it backwards, drafting Reggie Bush would have been risk aversive. It takes real guts to draft someone you believe will make your team better that isn't the darling of the sports media. You look at the manner in which the Texans organization has been derided in the sports media since then and you're going to tell me they were risk aversive. Who took the bigger risk, the Texans or the Saints?
My comment about the Texans being risk aversive was in reference to allegations that the Texans balked at taking Bush because of issues involving his family and freebe rent from an agent. The truth is we may never know for sure what went down, but this is one of the more popular reported reasons for the Texans not taking Bush. I suppose its still possible they really preferred Mario ? I for one definitely dunno for sure ?
But what you say about Bush and his short comings is true, however what he could give us in terms of being a real 2nd home-run threat in addition to AJ and diverting some attention away from AJ as a slot-receiver would be very valuable to the team. But whether or not he becomes a "feature back" in the NFL is still very much an open question, you're right. But so far based on early returns, he and VY certainly have done better in this league than Mario.
But I hope Mario proves me wrong with a blazing sophomore year ! Please, please Mario make us all feel good about drafting you #1 in 2006. And its certainly far from being too late for him to demonstrate his potential as a premiere defensive player in this league.

Kaiser Toro
07-22-2007, 11:57 AM
#1 Mario was the top defensive player in the draft and our defense stunk due to a lack of talent.
#2 If the Texans would have taken Bush or Young we would have had over 60m spent on the offensive side of the ball and 25m wrapped up in three skill positon players - Carr, AJ and Bush or VY - on a 102m cap. Talk about being out of balance and not recognizing your weaknesses with a long term fiscal strategy.

Since the 2006 draft only one team has won the Super Bowl and the Texans, Saints and Titans were not that team. However, the Texans were the last team to beat the Super Bowl Champions which Mario had an impact on that game.

The draft was not about Mario. The draft was about getting better in the long term.

Impatience is a core competency for losers in my opinion.

Texans_Chick
07-22-2007, 02:42 PM
"An experienced agent, someone like a Leigh Steinberg might have made the case in JANUARY to the Texans that VY by any measure should be the first pick in the draft and as worth giving up on Carr"
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Oh it's now VYs agents fault that the Texans didn't draft him ? That's downright silly. Its the Texans fault, nobody elses that they held on to Carr and passed on VY. That kind of statement might make you the supreme apologists for the bumbling incompetence of the Texans in the 2006 Draft.
Now I'm not a big Reggie Bush fan - yet. But obviously he's looking much better than what we got so far. But to blame bad-timing (really another way of saying bad-luck), is also silly. Didn't seem to stop the Saints from quickly making the smart decision ? I think it has more to do with being overly prudent and too tentative and too risk aversive.
I have to wonder where the man was who effectively and decisively dealt with the shrewd and evil corporate bad guys like Ken Lay & Jeff Skilling at the former energy titan Enron when negotiating a sweet deal to cash out his Cogeneration business and become a billionaire in liquid terms ?
IMO that guy deserted Bob McNair big-time when he needed him most in terms of making the best decisions for his franchise during the 2006 NFL Draft.


I think the only thing you can blame the Texans for at this point is totally bungling the PR aspects of the 2006 draft and putting Mario Williams in a rich but horrible spot. No one knew any information about him, and to date, I am the only one on the planet who wrote anything in depth about his background and skills coming out of school. That reflects the trend toward dogpile journalism. The Chronicle and most of the fanbase was blindsided by the choice, and chose to slam him as a bust before he played a down.

The 2006 draft was completely mishandled in that regard. To me, it is too early to evaluate the players themselves.

I do not blame VY and his agent for the Texans not picking him. It's a factor that didn't help. I really really wanted the Texans to pick VY but I also knew that it would have been a wildly unconventional football move to take VY as the #1 QB. Remember, at the time, most people thought that he would just be a great hometown hero--there was no football people advocating that he should be the #1 pick in the draft. I was saying that I thought he was the BPA, but nobody consults with me. :cool: He needed an agent to bust the Texans doors down in January and make the case that VY was the BPA because there was an uphill battle to get rid of Carr--in January, VY's agent was more interested in getting $200 autographs signed at the Co-op.

(It also didn't help that Mike Vick had a down year that year. The NFL is a league of copy cats, and people were comparing VY to Vick, a comparison that I think is not accurate. Had Vick had a huge year, more people would have been advocating for VY).

I'm just saying that had he had better representation to advocate on his behalf immediately, he mighta had a chance to make the case that the Texans should do the wildly unconventional thing and chuck Carr and decide to go with a QB that some observers thought was the 3rd best QB coming out in 2006 and basically show their hand in February that they are not going with Bush.

The Texans picked up Carr's option right away, and got Carr working with Kubiak right away. To put VY's contract on top of that would have been crazy. And if we canned Carr in February, VY and his inexperienced agent would have impossibly big leverage over the team. Even before the combine and workouts and interviews. You would have to pick VY. I know a lot about negotiating deals, and that's about as much leverage as you could possibly have. No QBs on the roster and home town hero knows he has to be picked #1.

Call me an apologist, but it truly was the perfect storm of badness. I watched it as it was happening like a train wreck. Titans with the third pick and all.

StarStruck
07-22-2007, 03:47 PM
I think that it was possible that the Texans didn't really wanted VY as the face of the team, perhaps lack of poise, maturity, professionalism or any number of things. It is possible that the organization knew by draft time that David Carr wasn't the answer, but to not have to answer for passing over VY, they signed Carr, knowing that would minimize the outcry, wait a year, then select their quarterback.

brakos82
07-22-2007, 03:52 PM
I think that it was possible that the Texans didn't really wanted VY as the face of the team, perhaps lack of poise, maturity, professionalism or any number of things. It is possible that the organization knew by draft time that David Carr wasn't the answer, but to not have to answer for passing over VY, they signed Carr, knowing that would minimize the outcry, wait a year, then select their quarterback.

So..... conspiracy? :shades:

StarStruck
07-22-2007, 04:08 PM
So..... conspiracy? :shades:


No, business.

OzzO
07-22-2007, 08:49 PM
Oh lord.... I just found it humorous that Mac pulled out of his advertising, yes understand about the free market. Didn't mean to bring up (another) "who they should've drafted debate.

HJam72
07-22-2007, 10:16 PM
I think we screwed up royally not taking Ryans #1. :)

brakos82
07-22-2007, 10:17 PM
I think we screwed up royally not taking Ryans #1. :)

other than press coverage, does it actually matter?

HJam72
07-22-2007, 10:50 PM
other than press coverage, does it actually matter?

That's kinda my point. We had a great draft. No doubt about it. How Williams compares to Young and Bush in the long run is only part of it. We will remember the 2006 draft as a big part of what got us going in the right direction.

I didn't want Williams #1 either, but I always did see him as a top 5 pick. So, even if he doesn't give us more than Bush or Young would've, he will probably do much, much more than we've seen so far. Furthermore, that draft throws in Ryans, Spencer, Winston, Daniels, and Lundy. The future is getting bright.