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Wolf
07-20-2007, 01:17 AM
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=12060894

All Things Considered, July 19, 2007 Call it "the Yao Ming effect." Following the success of the basketball giant in bringing millions of Chinese viewers to NBA games, talent scouts are scouring China for the next homegrown sports star to open up the world's largest consumer market.

But for the NFL, it's an uphill battle. The league has launched an NFL China Web site, but the inaugural China Bowl, a preseason game between the New England Patriots and the Seattle Seahawks that was scheduled for August in Beijing, has been delayed for two years.

"We looked at our market here in China, and we weren't ready at this point," said Kevin Chang, the NFL's international media manager. "The fans ... didn't have enough awareness, didn't know enough about our sport to really become really hyped up and involved for the NFL China Bowl."

chicagotexan2
07-20-2007, 09:15 AM
Great. The NFL really needs a physically soft, over-rated and passive player too.

Vinny
07-20-2007, 10:08 AM
Great. The NFL really needs a physically soft, over-rated and passive player too.
The Texans already had one...and David Carr isn't even Chinese.

real
07-20-2007, 10:23 AM
ha..

gtexan02
07-20-2007, 02:08 PM
Great. The NFL really needs a physically soft, over-rated and passive player too.

If you are implying that yao ming is any of those, I suggest you watch 1 basketball game and then return here.

If you are suggesting that all Chinese are all of those, I suggest you take a step back and try and realize how ignorant trying to stereotype billions of people is

chicagotexan2
07-20-2007, 02:23 PM
If you are implying that yao ming is any of those, I suggest you watch 1 basketball game and then return here.

If you are suggesting that all Chinese are all of those, I suggest you take a step back and try and realize how ignorant trying to stereotype billions of people is

Well I've never seen a 7'5 center get dunked on with so much regularity. I've never seen a 7'5 center get boxed out with so much regularity. I'm not suggesting a Chinese can't play, but if he was the best they had too offer I can only hope that they produce someone better. And don't say "But he has a nice shot. He's a center he should control the paint. That's like saying Reggie Bush is a great receiver, problem is he's supposed to be a running back. I'm saying Yao is terrible, but he ain't all that.

Texan_Bill
07-20-2007, 02:54 PM
Well I've never seen a 7'5 center get dunked on with so much regularity.

I guess you never watched Chuck Nevitt???

dtran04
07-20-2007, 03:04 PM
If getting dunked on is the way of measuring how good someone is, no wonder the NBA is going to be in shambles. Sportscenter has killed the NBA (refs getting caught in gambling ring doesn't help either).

real
07-20-2007, 03:34 PM
Well I've never seen a 7'5 center get dunked on with so much regularity. I've never seen a 7'5 center get boxed out with so much regularity. I'm not suggesting a Chinese can't play, but if he was the best they had too offer I can only hope that they produce someone better. And don't say "But he has a nice shot. He's a center he should control the paint. That's like saying Reggie Bush is a great receiver, problem is he's supposed to be a running back. I'm saying Yao is terrible, but he ain't all that.

Getting Dunked on and boxed out is how you judge how valuable a player is ?

lol....

Nevermind the fact that he's one of the most efficient scorer's in the leauge and his mere presence on defense keeps opposing offenses from having their way in the lane...

Let's just call him sorry because he's been the victim of some sports center highlights...

I suppose you'd rather have a guy like Eric Dampier...Or maybe even a Ben Wallace...

Brando
07-20-2007, 03:36 PM
The Texans already had one...and David Carr isn't even Chinese.


lol :user:

chicagotexan2
07-20-2007, 03:40 PM
I guess you never watched Chuck Nevitt???

Was he a Number 1 overall pick too? Didn't think so.

chicagotexan2
07-20-2007, 03:42 PM
Getting Dunked on and boxed out is how you judge how valuable a player is ?

lol....

Nevermind the fact that he's one of the most efficient scorer's in the leauge and his mere presence on defense keeps opposing offenses from having their way in the lane...

Let's just call him sorry because he's been the victim of some sports center highlights...

I suppose you'd rather have a guy like Eric Dampier...Or maybe even a Ben Wallace...

Yao does not dominate the paint. I don't see it. I don't want Dampier, but it looks like a guy like Boozer can handle this "dominant" force with relative ease.

real
07-20-2007, 03:44 PM
Yao does not dominate the paint. I don't see it. I don't want Dampier, but it looks like a guy like Boozer can handle this "dominant" force with relative ease.

No Yao doesn't dominate the paint...

But he's not a total beotch in the paint either...

He's either the 1st or 2nd best center in the leauge depending on your cup-o-tea....

And Boozer is a really good player but he cannot guard Yao one on one.

Texan_Bill
07-20-2007, 04:14 PM
Was he a Number 1 overall pick too? Didn't think so.

I just responded to your question. Your question didnt ask about being a #1.

Carr Bombed
07-20-2007, 04:31 PM
Well I've never seen a 7'5 center get dunked on with so much regularity. I've never seen a 7'5 center get boxed out with so much regularity. I'm not suggesting a Chinese can't play, but if he was the best they had too offer I can only hope that they produce someone better. And don't say "But he has a nice shot. He's a center he should control the paint. That's like saying Reggie Bush is a great receiver, problem is he's supposed to be a running back. I'm saying Yao is terrible, but he ain't all that.

Dude Yao is the best center in the league today, get off of it...... You want to talk about soft. See the entire eastern conference.... thats soft.

BTW...Yao pulled down the same amount of boards as Wallace, he's a 25 and 10 player, go look how many of those play in this league and get back with me.

rmartin65
07-20-2007, 04:35 PM
Yao is overrated. He is not a dominant player, like centers should be. He cannot take over a game, on offense or defense.

Vinny
07-20-2007, 04:38 PM
Dude Yao is the best center in the league today, get off of it...... You want to talk about soft. See the entire eastern conference.... thats soft.

BTW...Yao pulled down the same amount of boards as Wallace, he's a 25 and 10 player, go look how many of those play in this league and get back with me.

there you go again...trying to inject logic into this. whatsamotta you?

Carr Bombed
07-20-2007, 04:39 PM
25 and 10 is not overrated....... go look how many of those there are.

People that say Yao is overrated don't know anything about basketball and just don't realize what they've got.

eriadoc
07-20-2007, 04:51 PM
Dude Yao is the best center in the league today, get off of it.......

I don't go as far as chicagotexan in my disdain for Yao, but this argument is really damning with faint praise. Yao is probably the best center in the NBA (especially pre-injury last year), but that's kind of like being the best-behaved kid in detention. There aren't many solid centers anymore.

Yao disappears when he shouldn't and plays soft when he shouldn't. Yeah, he gets his points and rebounds, but hey, Carr led the league in pass completion percentage. Yay. And Yao sucks at rebounding, really, when you consider how big he is and where he plays.

All that said, I like Yao, and I think he will continue to improve and dispel some of these arguments against him. He's a lot better than chicagotexan gives him credit for, IMO.

Carr Bombed
07-20-2007, 05:32 PM
I don't go as far as chicagotexan in my disdain for Yao, but this argument is really damning with faint praise. Yao is probably the best center in the NBA (especially pre-injury last year), but that's kind of like being the best-behaved kid in detention. There aren't many solid centers anymore.

Yao disappears when he shouldn't and plays soft when he shouldn't. Yeah, he gets his points and rebounds, but hey, Carr led the league in pass completion percentage. Yay. And Yao sucks at rebounding, really, when you consider how big he is and where he plays.

All that said, I like Yao, and I think he will continue to improve and dispel some of these arguments against him. He's a lot better than chicagotexan gives him credit for, IMO.

Yao is not the greatest rebounder and he doesn't have the footspeed to be a great defender. Everybody likes to bash the guy and say "for a 7'5 guy, he isn't this, or for a 7'5 guy he isn't that, or he's soft."

When in reality Yao's size makes him clumsy, he would actually be a much better defender and rebounder if he was like 3 or 4 inches shorter, because he would be able to MOVE.

Another thing that has hurt Yao is the lack of a banger PF to keep big bodies off Yao. Yao gets beat up in the paint, because again there is no PF presence on the team. (atleast last year there wasn't) Even the great Olajuwon had Otis Thorpe. (no I'm not comparing Yao to Olajuwon, just saying many people don't realize how much not having a PF really is hampering Yao. A good PF is a Center's best friend. It keeps big bodies off of him, making him a better defender, and keeps him out of foul trouble.)

Speedy
07-20-2007, 11:08 PM
Why don't they just get Yao Ming's brother, Wyo?:tomato:

Wolf
07-20-2007, 11:10 PM
i like yao, but I wonder, is he a "take over guy" I remember being in the teens and listening to ktrh on the radio at night and them talking about late in the 4th quarter, it was going to their go to man, (akeem) , I honestly admit I don't listen to the radio now, but I wonder if we are talking about the same type of thing.. down the stretch (back then) rockets would feed akeem all day long. I don't see many games but does Yao command that now)

awtysst
07-20-2007, 11:58 PM
Well I've never seen a 7'5 center get dunked on with so much regularity. I've never seen a 7'5 center get boxed out with so much regularity. I'm not suggesting a Chinese can't play, but if he was the best they had too offer I can only hope that they produce someone better. And don't say "But he has a nice shot. He's a center he should control the paint. That's like saying Reggie Bush is a great receiver, problem is he's supposed to be a running back. I'm saying Yao is terrible, but he ain't all that.

Shawn Bradley?
Gheorghe Mureşan?

Carr Bombed
07-21-2007, 12:03 AM
i like yao, but I wonder, is he a "take over guy" I remember being in the teens and listening to ktrh on the radio at night and them talking about late in the 4th quarter, it was going to their go to man, (akeem) , I honestly admit I don't listen to the radio now, but I wonder if we are talking about the same type of thing.. down the stretch (back then) rockets would feed akeem all day long. I don't see many games but does Yao command that now)

Its kinda apples and oranges. Tmac is more of that guy.

That is however another thing that I think that hurts Yao with this city. This city was spoiled by Hakeem. The chances that Houston will ever have another top 5 league history center play for them is slim and none.

BattleRedToro
07-21-2007, 07:44 AM
A point that needs to be considered is how much the league has changed in its rules. When Hakeem played it was a strict Man-to-Man defense only, except for Seattle which often got away with illegal defense during George Karl's reign there, but now teams are allowed to play some Zone defense, although they also must contend with the Defensive 3-second rule as well.

Kaiser Toro
07-21-2007, 08:00 AM
The NFL searches for another Yao Ming purely from a market presence to sell more widgets, whether that be more apparel or more content. This is a different story than Yao the player.

Yao's issues that I saw in 1997 are the ones any scout who saw him were concerned with down the road - strays from the basket, does not go and get rebounds, plays at a speed that may not be conducive to his 14 team mates and coaching staff and the biggest one being the doubt that he could carry a team and/or work well with a strong #2, due to cap implications.

Anyone comparing Hakeem to Yao is on virtual crack as they are two different athletes with different strengths and weaknesses.

BattleRedToro
07-21-2007, 08:26 AM
Anyone comparing Hakeem to Yao is on virtual crack as they are two different athletes with different strengths and weaknesses.

I agree, Hakeem and Yao are very different.

sakebomb
07-21-2007, 11:43 AM
I'm just glad they took Yao 1st in that draft. I remember 1/2 the people wanted him and the other 1/2 was pushing for Jay Williams.

Wolf
07-21-2007, 01:11 PM
way some talk on here about Yao, you'd think he was manute bol

:devilpig:

real
07-22-2007, 06:04 PM
Yao is what he is...

He's no Hakeem, or any other great center, but he is a very good player...

Speedy
07-22-2007, 08:54 PM
2 years ago he was one of only 4 players in the league to average 20/10. Probably would have been among a handful to do it again this past season had he not missed 30+ games. He's about as automatic as it gets when he shoots the ball, 52% FG 82% FT.

He plays for Houston where the bar on centers has been raised about as high as it goes in the history of the league, so yeah, he's probably going to fall a little short of that. But even if he never reaches those heights it doesn't mean he can't be a great player in this league. And if he could just stay on the floor for a full season, that would sure help him get there.

If you're going to compare him his whole career to Dream, then he'll probably never get the respect he deserves.