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Heath Shuler
07-06-2007, 08:39 PM
NFL Rookie of the Year: Outright odds

Mon, Jul 2, 2007By Covers.com staff

Odds to win the 2007-2008 NFL Rookie of the Year:

Calvin Johnson +400
Adrian Peterson +600
Marshawn Lynch +700
JaMarcus Russell +750
Joe Thomas +1100
Brady Quinn +1100
Dwayne Bowe +1100
Dwayne Jarrett +1300
Craig Davis +1300
LaRon Landry +1300
Patrick Willis +1300
Steve Smith +1300
Ted Ginn Jr. +1300
Sidney Rice +1600
Gaines Adams +1600
Greg Olsen +1600
Anthony Spencer +1600
Anthony Gonzalez +1600
Leon Hall +1900
Jarvis Moss +1900
Robert Meachem +1900
Michael Griffin +2100
Paul Posluszny +2100
Lawrence Timmons +2100
Jamaal Anderson +2100
Brandon Jackson +2100
Brian Leonard +2100
Reggie Nelson +2300
Amobi Okoye +2600
Brandon Merriweathe +3100
Jon Beason +3100
LaMarr Woodley +3100
Field (Any Other Player) +750


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Koolaid Time
07-06-2007, 10:21 PM
A Detroit Receiver winning offensive ROY...... I think I have heard that before...

Goldensilence
07-06-2007, 10:48 PM
DROY - Patrick Willis -

Defense was shaky at times last year but the offense showed life. Tehy added secondary help and this kid can flat out play. Will have his hands full in that division though with Shaun Alexander, Edge, and Stephen Jackson.

OROY- Dwayne Jarrett -

Might be a bit out on a limb here with this one. But Panthers don't have any other second options that i know of at WR. He'll see a lot of PT for that reason early on. Great complimentary receiver to Steve Smith's game.

The1ApplePie
07-07-2007, 08:47 AM
OROTY: Calvin Johnson. Can't go wrong with a WR in a Mike Martz system. Mark Furrey got 1000 yards!

DROTY: Lawrence Timmons. The pass rushing LB in Pitt's system will always put up good numbers.

Koolaid Time
07-07-2007, 09:23 AM
OROY- Dwayne Jarrett -

Might be a bit out on a limb here with this one. But Panthers don't have any other second options that i know of at WR. He'll see a lot of PT for that reason early on. Great complimentary receiver to Steve Smith's game.

But Carolina doesn't have ANY QB's that can get the ball to a WR.....

TexanSam
07-07-2007, 11:52 AM
But Carolina doesn't have ANY QB's that can get the ball to a WR.....

What in the world are you talking about? They have the guy we should never have let go.












:sarcasm:

Vinny
07-07-2007, 12:18 PM
But Carolina doesn't have ANY QB's that can get the ball to a WR.....
Jake Delhomme has been averaging 23 TD's a year since he as been a starter at Carolina and he has completed 60% of his passes.....he's a pretty good starter if he is healthy and has protection.

Goldensilence
07-07-2007, 12:27 PM
Jake Delhomme has been averaging 23 TD's a year since he as been a starter at Carolina and he has completed 60% of his passes.....he's a pretty good starter if he is healthy and has protection.

I was going to say I don't know why people insist on throwing the guy under the bus. He's been a pretty productive starter there and IMO the problem has been having someone solid consistently across from Steve Smith. Jarrett fills the void well and is a big receiver who could go up for the ball in the endzone. I just think of all the rookies he's going to be put in a good situation where he can put up some good number and make an immediate impact.

Calvin is going to get his no doubt though. Prolly more TD's then Lions wins.

awtysst
07-07-2007, 08:47 PM
DROY - Patrick Willis -

Defense was shaky at times last year but the offense showed life. Tehy added secondary help and this kid can flat out play. Will have his hands full in that division though with Shaun Alexander, Edge, and Stephen Jackson.

OROY- Dwayne Jarrett -

Might be a bit out on a limb here with this one. But Panthers don't have any other second options that i know of at WR. He'll see a lot of PT for that reason early on. Great complimentary receiver to Steve Smith's game.

I am going with patrick Willis too. He reminds me of Meco.
I thought about Peterson but will take Lynch. Rb is pretty much a plug in position and Lynch can run and catch. There is no other back in Buffalo(Peterson will split with Chester in Minne like Bush split with Deuce) and they will need to handoff and toss him the ball a lot. He can rack up a ton of yards and thats what people will see when voting.

texasguy346
07-08-2007, 02:25 PM
I'm thinking Woodley will have a good shot at winning DROY honors, but I wouldn't be surprised to see Willis, Spencer, or Beason get it either.

As far as the OROY I think Brandon Jackson has a pretty good chance of giving Peterson some good competition for the award if he wins the starting job for the Packers. However, I think Peterson will walk away with the award in the end.

Il_Bruno
07-08-2007, 02:39 PM
the thing about petterson is he's in a timeshare with chester taylor, and while he has a ton of talent taylor has proved himself, and he also proved he could handle quite a load as well (he did wear down towards the end of the year, but he was carrying the vikings offense). If petterson were in more of a lead role then i think it would almost be a runaway in his favor though.


Im liking lynch a lot this year, but i cant see how calvin johnson doesnt put up some numbers across from roy williams. If that o-line can hold for even a little bit one of them should be open

Wolf
07-08-2007, 02:50 PM
mario williams will be rookie of the year (he came out early last year) :heh:

nunusguy
07-08-2007, 03:24 PM
As much upside as CJ has, its difficult to see him outshing Roy Williams as a rookie since Williams, a tremendous talent in his own right, wiil be a 4th year vet this year in the NFL.
Barring injury, Adriane Peterson is the guy to watch IMO. I dunno, how many
years since a running back with this guys talent has come in the league ?

Goldensilence
07-08-2007, 03:29 PM
last year? :P

BattleRedToro
07-08-2007, 04:10 PM
Offensive Rookie of the Year has lost its luster due to the award being given to QB Vince Young last year instead of a much more deserving RB Maurice Jones-Drew or WR Marques Colston.

Yankee_In_TX
07-08-2007, 09:22 PM
Offensive Rookie of the Year has lost its luster due to the award being given to QB Vince Young last year instead of a much more deserving RB Maurice Jones-Drew or WR Marques Colston.

Maybe I'd just still annoyed, but I agree with you entirely.

texasguy346
07-08-2007, 10:18 PM
the thing about petterson is he's in a timeshare with chester taylor, and while he has a ton of talent taylor has proved himself, and he also proved he could handle quite a load as well (he did wear down towards the end of the year, but he was carrying the vikings offense). If petterson were in more of a lead role then i think it would almost be a runaway in his favor though.


I'm thinking Peterson takes Taylor's job from him by week 6 at the latest. I don't think Brad Childress will be able to keep the guy off the field any longer than that. Taylor is a good back, but on most teams he'd be a solid #2 or 3rd down type of back. Not trying to take anything away from Chester, but Peterson has the talent and instincts to be an every down type of back and a player you build your franchise around.

It will probably end up being some no name late round pick who emerges as a star & wins the OROY.

beerlover
07-08-2007, 11:15 PM
I'm pulling for Jacoby Jones (ROY) & Amobi Okoye (DROY) :homer:

have two rookies from the same team ever won before? probably not, but both come into great situations. Amobi should benefit from the extra year of expereince & improved health of Mario Williams, not to mention the d-line was virtually played like musical chairs. Jacoby should benefit greatly by the addition of Schaub, a more diverse offensive attack & the #2 WR position his for the taking :)

NitroGSXR
07-08-2007, 11:43 PM
I think that Levi Brown may turn some heads. From what I've heard, he's tearing it up and handling the job very well up in Arizona. Good enough for them to make some adjustments and cuts to their line. Milford Brown was cut I believe and the competition between Oliver and Levi has been outstanding up to this point. Neither has the inside track and that's how good it is. If Levi takes the job and does it, I think he just very well may be the OROY. For some reason offensive linemen have been getting some much needed attention and recognition for their efforts in running a football team. People are beginning to understand just how important they are to the success of a NFL team.

For what it's worth, I never felt that the Texans should have taken Levi Brown. I was one who felt that he was being overvalued and would have been a reach at #10 if he were available.

awtysst
07-09-2007, 12:49 AM
I think that Levi Brown may turn some heads. From what I've heard, he's tearing it up and handling the job very well up in Arizona. Good enough for them to make some adjustments and cuts to their line. Milford Brown was cut I believe and the competition between Oliver and Levi has been outstanding up to this point. Neither has the inside track and that's how good it is. If Levi takes the job and does it, I think he just very well may be the OROY. For some reason offensive linemen have been getting some much needed attention and recognition for their efforts in running a football team. People are beginning to understand just how important they are to the success of a NFL team.

For what it's worth, I never felt that the Texans should have taken Levi Brown. I was one who felt that he was being overvalued and would have been a reach at #10 if he were available.

I like your thinking! Way to think outside the box!

However, I must disagree with you. Levi brown will not win the OROY award. Marcus McNeil had about as good a year as anyone could have at LT and he finished a distant 4th in the OROY voting. The reason is that he doesn't play a "sexy position". If you don't hear about him, that probably means he is doing his job. Whereas the guy I picked(Lynch) plays as a RB and basically has every opportunity to win it. People see him catchng the ball, and running the ball, but they rarley see the Big Uglies up front doing the dirty work.

awtysst
07-09-2007, 12:54 AM
I'm pulling for Jacoby Jones (ROY) & Amobi Okoye (DROY) :homer:

have two rookies from the same team ever won before? probably not, but both come into great situations. Amobi should benefit from the extra year of expereince & improved health of Mario Williams, not to mention the d-line was virtually played like musical chairs. Jacoby should benefit greatly by the addition of Schaub, a more diverse offensive attack & the #2 WR position his for the taking :)

I am pulling for Amobe and Jacoby as well, but I don't see either of them winning it. LB(especially Mikes) usually rack up a whole bunch of tackles. In order for a non LB to win they have to do one of the follwoing: a mess of sacks or a whole lot of INTS. Sadly stats are weighted more towards the Mike.

In terms of Offense, a WR can certainly win the award, but its usally easier for a QB or RB. They touch the ball much more and can influence the game much more.

Thus my picks of Patrick " Whatcha Talking About" Willis and Marshawn "I should invest my money with Merrill" Lynch

beerlover
07-09-2007, 12:46 PM
I am pulling for Amobe and Jacoby as well, but I don't see either of them winning it. LB(especially Mikes) usually rack up a whole bunch of tackles. In order for a non LB to win they have to do one of the follwoing: a mess of sacks or a whole lot of INTS. Sadly stats are weighted more towards the Mike.

In terms of Offense, a WR can certainly win the award, but its usally easier for a QB or RB. They touch the ball much more and can influence the game much more.

Thus my picks of Patrick " Whatcha Talking About" Willis and Marshawn "I should invest my money with Merrill" Lynch

fair enough I understand your positional approach, its much easier for a QB/RB to win a ROY or LB to win a DROY, but I'm not talking about easy. I'm talking about hard work, talent, great coaching & the perfect fit for the scheme the team is running. if I was betting with my pocket book Willis/Lynch would certainly head the class, based not just on their talent however but based on their situations & team needs/strengths.

while outside the box both Amobi & Jacoby are coming into their own great situations & if they are even close in the hunt for ROY's that means the Texans are much improved & winning, while not league rookie mvps maybe I'm hoping both impact & excell as Texans :logo:

beerlover
07-09-2007, 12:57 PM
I think that Levi Brown may turn some heads. From what I've heard, he's tearing it up and handling the job very well up in Arizona. Good enough for them to make some adjustments and cuts to their line. Milford Brown was cut I believe and the competition between Oliver and Levi has been outstanding up to this point. Neither has the inside track and that's how good it is. If Levi takes the job and does it, I think he just very well may be the OROY. For some reason offensive linemen have been getting some much needed attention and recognition for their efforts in running a football team. People are beginning to understand just how important they are to the success of a NFL team.

For what it's worth, I never felt that the Texans should have taken Levi Brown. I was one who felt that he was being overvalued and would have been a reach at #10 if he were available.

you had me until the last paragraph. again how much is a tackle worth if your franchise QB is injured or flat on his back, you sign the biggest free agent contract to a RB yet the running game is non-existant?

I see they have Joe Thomas listed @ the top of the odds on favorite to win the ROY yet no mention of Levi Brown? for what ever the reason Levi Brown gets little respect outside the Cardinal organization, hes not going to be able to rack up eye-popping stats either to defer the consensus "over-valued pick" label, but if Matt Leinhart stays healthy, throws for over 4,000 yards/20 TD's & James looks like the "edge" of old my props are going to mr brown & the men who provide the dirty work inside :pirate:

The1ApplePie
07-09-2007, 01:05 PM
Brown would have been next to useless in the Texan's system. He's a big monster made for Whisenhunt's power run style, not good for ZBL.