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TexansLucky13
07-06-2007, 01:08 AM
http://www.kffl.com/team/18/NFL

"Carmine Pirone, of HoustonTexans.com, reports Houston Texans DT Anthony Maddox is expected to start at one of the defensive tackle positions this season."

Not a shock, but it's still good to have some solid information, especially in the off-season.

Also, a nice read about Maddox on the Texans site...

http://www.houstontexans.com/news/Story.asp?story_id=3393

Maddox is one of the guys that I specifically watched for last year. He definitely made a big splash, especially by the end of the year. Hopefully he will continue to improve and, with the help of Super Mario and Obi Won Okoye, create the dominant D-line that we have all dreamt about!

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TexansSeminole
07-06-2007, 01:15 AM
The front side of our defense is pretty solid. Teams are going to have a tough time running against our defense. I predict our run defense to be top 10 next year.

Sideline
07-06-2007, 05:35 AM
That does make things look ok for the moment, but im not going to go as far as saying top 10 yet, although Akoye has alot of upside, we are yet to see what he can do in the NFL, as is the same with Mario, he hasn't shown us consitantly that he is a dominant defensive end, yes we have seen flashes, however to be a top ten run stuffing defence, we need consistency.

Yes the pieces of the puzzle are coming into place, but they are far from the finished jigsaw.

PapaL
07-06-2007, 07:40 AM
Way to go TJ...*cough*scrub*cough*

Way to go Maddox - Guys like you are why we watch.

TEXANS84
07-06-2007, 09:24 AM
The front side of our defense is pretty solid. Teams are going to have a tough time running against our defense. I predict our run defense to be top 10 next year.

I think that Okoye will have trouble against the run for at least the first couple years.

TigerV1
07-06-2007, 09:27 AM
I think it will be fun watching this line come together. Finally we have a line that we are comfortable with.

real
07-06-2007, 09:32 AM
I had a dream last night that Mario was going to be a beast...

Runner
07-06-2007, 09:58 AM
If the season starts that way, it would be a great success story for the team finding a street free agent.

Definitely not a success story for various first round picks and big dollar free agents on the d-line.

The trend may be up - we'll have to see what data points this season generates.

The1ApplePie
07-06-2007, 10:16 AM
Is Babin starting or can he join TJ and Carr on the bust train?

HOU-TEX
07-06-2007, 10:26 AM
Is Babin starting or can he join TJ and Carr on the bust train?

Babin will be a situational pass rushing DE. I'm not sure I'd pin the bust tag on Babin. Sure, he's been an average player, but not a bust. I consider a bust to be someone who is unable to perform at the NFL level. IMO,Babin has done decent in the NFL. It's not his fault CC did what he did in order to get him. Personally, I think Babin will have his best season this year.:d:

Now TJ on the other hand, has been subpar at best. I'm not sure what to think of him. He might be in the rotation, but I think Kubiak/Smith will get rid of him as soon as it's not such a financial kick in the pants.

The1ApplePie
07-06-2007, 10:40 AM
IMO, if you are a first rounder and your still just a situational player after 4 years (I think) you are a bust. Babin gets a bigger bust label because we basically gave up half the draft to get him.

That loss of picks, coupled with the P-Burnt trade after that set back the franchise for years.

HOU-TEX
07-06-2007, 10:43 AM
IMO, if you are a first rounder and your still just a situational player after 4 years (I think) you are a bust. Babin gets a bigger bust label because we basically gave up half the draft to get him.

That loss of picks, coupled with the P-Burnt trade after that set back the franchise for years.

Was it Babin that gave up the picks? Was it Buchanon that made the trade. The bust is Casserly! The guy should be banned from the NFL for ever.:bat:

It might of set us back a year or two considering next season we're going to be in good shape capwise.

HOU-TEX
07-06-2007, 10:45 AM
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The1ApplePie
07-06-2007, 11:01 AM
Was it Babin that gave up the picks? Was it Buchanon that made the trade. The bust is Casserly! The guy should be banned from the NFL for ever.:bat:

2004 Draft (Babin):
Gave up 2nd, 3rd, and something to do with the 4th
(Players Missed)
2nd: Bob Sanders
3rd: Chris Cooley or Matt Scahub
4th: Ernest Wilford or Nathan Vasher

2005 Draft (P-Burnt trade)
Gave up 2nd and 3rd
Players Missed:
Lofa Tatupu
Frank Gore
Chris Henry

Other Casserly Idiocy:
2003:
Benni Joppru over Lance Briggs
Antwan Peek over Jason Witten

2002:
Jabar Gaffney over Clinton Portis

Texans Horror
07-06-2007, 11:11 AM
IMO, if you are a first rounder and your still just a situational player after 4 years (I think) you are a bust. Babin gets a bigger bust label because we basically gave up half the draft to get him.

That loss of picks, coupled with the P-Burnt trade after that set back the franchise for years.

I don't get bummed out too much about Babin for two reasons:

1. The guy was a 4-3 guy in a 3-4 for his first two seasons. He has admitted having trouble with the 3-4. So he wasn't used well and, like several other players, he is starting over in his learning process.

2. While playing in situational downs, Babin garnered 5 sacks (most of any defensive player that year). He also produced comparably to his first two years - again - even without being an every-down kind of player.

In short, I think he is doing fine. I'm not ecstatic, but I think he's doing well. I think the more time in the system, the better he'll play.

Double Barrel
07-06-2007, 11:29 AM
I hope for great things out of our D-line, but I think we'll need to be patient, as well. Okoye, with as much potential, will still just be a very young rookie in a pro league of sharks. He won't be dominant out of the game, and just like Mario, it'll take him awhile just to get used to the speed of the game and the strength of his opponents.

I only mention this because our high hopes need to be more long term than immediate gratification. Otherwise, the inevitable reality of the situation will only serve to pop our collective balloons.

TK_Gamer
07-06-2007, 11:50 AM
I would say I feel positive as far as the future goes, short term though there are just too many unknown quantities. I think this is probably TJ's last chance to cancel his ticket out of town and I think Maddox will be the key to his future. On the one hand having to battle Maddox for the other DT spot will potentially push TJ to wake up and play football. On the other hand having the depth we now have at DT will make it easier to get rid of him. It would have to be a trade to dump him this year, so if he comes to camp physically ready and shows the effort, I look for the PR machine to pump him up to leave open a possible trade. If he doesnt show up ready and put forth the effort, he will ride the pine and they will dump him next offseason. IMHO.

Lucky
07-06-2007, 11:53 AM
Okoye, with as much potential, will still just be a very young rookie in a pro league of sharks. He won't be dominant out of the game, and just like Mario, it'll take him awhile just to get used to the speed of the game and the strength of his opponents.
I'm not so sure. A lot depends on how Okoye is used. I see Amobi as more of a pass rush specialist, initially. And I think it will be the offensive linemen he faces who must adjust to his unique explosiveness. I'd hate to see him worn down playing on an every down basis.

While playing in situational downs, Babin garnered 5 sacks (most of any defensive player that year). He also produced comparably to his first two years - again - even without being an every-down kind of player.

In short, I think he is doing fine. I'm not ecstatic, but I think he's doing well. I think the more time in the system, the better he'll play.

I agree, and I think the Texans will be more aggressive with their stunts and games along the defensive front, this season. New DL coach Jethro Franklin did a great job in Green Bay with KGB as a pass rusher. I think he will be a real boon to Babin, as well as the other D-lineman. Isee a career high in sacks for both Babin, and the team.

Texans Horror
07-06-2007, 12:06 PM
I hope for great things out of our D-line, but I think we'll need to be patient, as well. Okoye, with as much potential, will still just be a very young rookie in a pro league of sharks. He won't be dominant out of the game, and just like Mario, it'll take him awhile just to get used to the speed of the game and the strength of his opponents.

I only mention this because our high hopes need to be more long term than immediate gratification. Otherwise, the inevitable reality of the situation will only serve to pop our collective balloons.

I agree with you completely, but I think it extends much further than just the D-line. "Okoye" could be substituted with any number of players brought into the organization this year.

GuerillaBlack
07-06-2007, 12:34 PM
A surprise? Not really.

V Man
07-06-2007, 12:38 PM
Makes you wonder if this holds up, does TJ even make it out of camp?

Overalls
07-06-2007, 01:09 PM
Babin will be a situational pass rushing DE. I'm not sure I'd pin the bust tag on Babin. Sure, he's been an average player, but not a bust. I consider a bust to be someone who is unable to perform at the NFL level.

I've been jumped on before for not jumping on the Babin is a bust bandwagon. Like you said. He may not have lived up to initial hype, but I don't think I would call last years team leader in sacks a bust.

Double Barrel
07-06-2007, 01:14 PM
Does Babin remind anyone else as the 'bad boy' of the Backstreet Boys? A buddy of mine pointed it out, and ever since, I can't help but chuckle everytime I see him.

I'm not a Babin hater, but I don't think he's proved to be first round pick worthy, either....at least not at this point in his career.

Ckw
07-07-2007, 03:22 PM
I'm not a Babin hater, but I don't think he's proved to be first round pick worthy, either....at least not at this point in his career.

Agree with you for the most part but in Babin's defense, he has been moved around between OLB and DE. His playing time has not been overly consistent, and check out what we saw from Mario last year. With the time it takes many DE to develop and the way Babin has been moved around, it's no wonder why he hasn't looked like a first round pick. Then again, he may never look like one...

BattleRedToro
07-07-2007, 04:01 PM
I don't expect Babin to ever look like a 1st Rnd 4-3 DE. They are expected to be dominant against the pass and effective against the run. In my opinion, Babin lacks the strength to be effective against the run as a 4-3 DE. I think he will always be used as a situational pass rush specialist, which is alright since he has shown he can be effective in that role.

BattleRedToro
07-07-2007, 04:10 PM
Now, as for the Texans' D-line being top 10 against the run. How did you come to that conclusion? I don't see this team being particularly suited to stopping the run. On the other hand, I do believe we will see a marked improvement in the Texans' pass rush.

As for street free agent DT's, I hope to see alot of Alfred "Big Pooh" Malone at the NT position next to Amobi Okoye at the 3-Technique DT position. "Big Pooh" showed some promise early last season before he broke his hand.

TexansSeminole
07-08-2007, 03:34 PM
Now, as for the Texans' D-line being top 10 against the run. How did you come to that conclusion? I don't see this team being particularly suited to stopping the run. On the other hand, I do believe we will see a marked improvement in the Texans' pass rush.

As for street free agent DT's, I hope to see alot of Alfred "Big Pooh" Malone at the NT position next to Amobi Okoye at the 3-Technique DT position. "Big Pooh" showed some promise early last season before he broke his hand.

I think our defensive line is in position to switch out alot keeping our guys fresh. Plus, I see our defensive line really holding up some guys and letting our linebackers make more plays. Our defensive ends are good against the run. Now with Maddox emerging and Amobi joining the team the center of our defensive line should be solid. We played pretty well against the run last year I thought. The only teams that really bust us up running were Washington, Tennessee once, and Dallas. Philly was pretty bad but that was Game #1 in the 4-3. We allowed around 100-115 yards rushing in a good amount of our games last year and thats what it takes to be top 10 (100 yards rushing allowed per game). Even though this year we face some teams that I think are better rushing teams than last year...I am going out on a little bit of a limb.

Another reason I think we will be Top 10 in rushing defense this year is that I don't think we will be seeing our defense as tired throughout games this year. Not only because of more depth but because I think our offense will have more time of possession this year (Schaub and Ahman Green help us out alot here)...which should allow our defense to rest.

Goldensilence
07-09-2007, 01:36 PM
I think our defensive line is in position to switch out alot keeping our guys fresh. Plus, I see our defensive line really holding up some guys and letting our linebackers make more plays. Our defensive ends are good against the run. Now with Maddox emerging and Amobi joining the team the center of our defensive line should be solid. We played pretty well against the run last year I thought. The only teams that really bust us up running were Washington, Tennessee once, and Dallas. Philly was pretty bad but that was Game #1 in the 4-3. We allowed around 100-115 yards rushing in a good amount of our games last year and thats what it takes to be top 10 (100 yards rushing allowed per game). Even though this year we face some teams that I think are better rushing teams than last year...I am going out on a little bit of a limb.

Another reason I think we will be Top 10 in rushing defense this year is that I don't think we will be seeing our defense as tired throughout games this year. Not only because of more depth but because I think our offense will have more time of possession this year (Schaub and Ahman Green help us out alot here)...which should allow our defense to rest.

Agreed on the rotating linemen. We look to be solid with our front seven this year and hopefully that'll create oppurtunities for this team. We need to get pressure on the QB this year though. I really think that's monumental considering our secondary at this point. Dunta should have a rebound year and i'm hoping this year they figure out to man him up on the best opposing WR instead of just oneside of the field. The Buffalo game should've taught us that. My nervousness is our #2 ...i'd really like us to have someone step up so we can move faggins back to a nickel guy where he shines IMO.

If we are as good against the run as we're hoping. Our secondary has to step up because if they can't run we're going to get tested a lot there. Kind of like Minnesota last year. #1 rush defense but finished middle of the pack because no one could run on them so they had to pass.

Ryan
07-09-2007, 01:52 PM
I have high expectations for Amobi in the future, but this year is his learning year. I'm also very sure he is not even done growing yet.

rickyb
07-09-2007, 03:38 PM
I have high expectations for Amobi in the future, but this year is his learning year. I'm also very sure he is not even done growing yet.

A question for the board: given that Amobi is a round 1 pick (and not a QB), and round 1 picks are expected to make an impact from day 1, would we even be bringing up the question of a "learning year" were it not for his age?

Personally, in business, and in life, I find that good people rise to the level of expectation placed upon him/her. I hope the coaching staff impresses VERY HIGH expectations upon Mr. Okoye. No excuses. No crutches.

Kaiser Toro
07-09-2007, 03:46 PM
Expectations should be set as a unit and at the individual level, but the expectations need to be part behavior (practice, conditioning, execution, commitments) and part results. I would expect Okoye to exceed expectations on a behavior measure and measure the results at specific mid points through the year.

Double Barrel
07-09-2007, 03:46 PM
A question for the board: given that Amobi is a round 1 pick (and not a QB), and round 1 picks are expected to make an impact from day 1, would we even be bringing up the question of a "learning year" were it not for his age?

Certain positions have a higher learning curve. Defensive linemen usually take 2-3 years to get used to the position, considering how strong and smart offensive linemen are these days. You're not going to go in as a rookie and dominate 10 year veterans on the other side of the ball.

rickyb
07-09-2007, 03:54 PM
Certain positions have a higher learning curve. Defensive linemen usually take 2-3 years to get used to the position, considering how strong and smart offensive linemen are these days. You're not going to go in as a rookie and dominate 10 year veterans on the other side of the ball.

Fair enough. I guess I just wanted to point out that it is a slipperly slope, talk of "learning years", leading to below par performance, leading to poor work habit/attitude. After all, how many "learning years" were given to He Who Shall Not Be Named? I think we can still have high expectations, come short of dominating 10 year vets, and still call a year a success. I think we are on the same page there.

Double Barrel
07-09-2007, 04:02 PM
Fair enough. I guess I just wanted to point out that it is a slipperly slope, talk of "learning years", leading to below par performance, leading to poor work habit/attitude. After all, how many "learning years" were given to He Who Shall Not Be Named? I think we can still have high expectations, come short of dominating 10 year vets, and still call a year a success. I think we are on the same page there.

I don't necessarily disagree with you, but by the same token, we don't want to get our hopes too high when looking for a rookie defensive lineman to make a big impact. Because of draft position, Mario had a lot more pressure on him to perform than if he'd been picked a few picks down.

I think we'll see signs of greatness from both of them this year (Okoye & Mario), but it might not be as consistent as we'd like. That part will take some time.

badboy
07-09-2007, 04:45 PM
We have worked on shutting down the run and next year we can work on shutting down the pass. QB sacks and "disruptions" do not happen often enough imo if the QB is any type of passer.

BigTimeTexanFan
07-11-2007, 10:42 AM
I don't see why Okoye can't have an immediate impact on our defense. Defensive tackle has got to be one of the easiest positions to come in and be successful. Basically he's got to determine whether it's a run or pass and them let his insticts and abilities do the rest. He will probably need to develop some pass rushing moves as most Dlineman do early in their career, but at his position, he really doesn't have too much to think about. D-Rob had an immediate impact as did D Ryans and IMO their positions are much more difficult coming into the NFL.:twocents: