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the wonger need food
06-30-2007, 01:23 PM
http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm

Though the Houston Texans like to boast about the fact that they've had 50 straight sellouts in five years of existence, there's a chance that the number might not get much higher. Or any higher.

Thanks to a head's-up from a reader, it appears that the Texans are having trouble selling their season tickets. Currently, "less than 2,000" are available, which means that as many as 1,999 are left -- despite the prior existence of a "priority wait list."

So the inference that can be drawn is that, after a chunk of last year's season-ticket holders passed on renewing and after the folks on the waiting list got their chance to buy tickets, there are still about $1 million worth of unsold season seats.

But should any of this be surprising to anyone? After three years of improvement, the Texans tanked in 2005, and then committed the football equivalent of passing on Michael Jordan and Magic Johnson by leaving Reggie Bush and Vince Young on the draft board in April 2006. If either of those guys were playing in Houston, we suspect that every 2007 game would be already sold out.

As it stands, it could be that the only 2007 games that will be fully sold out will be those in which Bush and Young will make their visits to town.

The1ApplePie
06-30-2007, 01:39 PM
Don't forget the loss of TV markets that demanded Saints and Titans games.

McNair really needs to beat the crap out of Casserly for costing him a ton of money.

Wolf
06-30-2007, 01:52 PM
my goodness
just bush and young get us sellouts.. wow, i didn't know the NFL revolved around 2 players... and if that is true(with 2 sellouts) I wonder about the NFL fans in Houston (not all Houstonians are straight Texan fans, so I won't blame all Texan fans)

saying that: what does that say about we play the Chiefs with Larry Johnson,Colts and their talented team,Miami and offense and defense that should be improved with Green at QB,then Tennessee and N.O. next,Tampa and Denver

quality teams we are playing

ArlingtonTexan
06-30-2007, 01:55 PM
Don't forget the loss of TV markets that demanded Saints and Titans games.

McNair really needs to beat the crap out of Casserly for costing him a ton of money.

McNair needs to look in the mirror for 5 years of putting out a product that has been both bad and boring. Outside of metro Houston, the Texans are more known for the moves that they have NOT than for anything else.

BTW, the 50 sellout streak is a fraud. Yes, people bought the tickets, but we all know that over the last two seasons, there have been a huge amount of no shows. It was only a matter of time until the no-shows turned into no-buys.

Double Barrel
06-30-2007, 02:38 PM
the Texans tanked in 2005, and then committed the football equivalent of passing on Michael Jordan and Magic Johnson by leaving Reggie Bush and Vince Young on the draft board in April 2006.

Wow. Michael Jordan and Magic now, 'eh? Just suspend reality and forget that these are two completely different sports, that's what makes me respect a writer....not.

How about just using football examples? For instance....Joe Montana and Emitt Smith? Then we can compare apples to apples. And when comparing those apples, it is clear that Young and Bush are not Montana and Smith.

Anyway, the 'sellouts' have always been about marketing. The first five seasons were guaranteed by McNair to get the team, so I'm not sure why they even count. But I don't have much doubt that the remaining seats will get sold and Houston will avoid blackouts. Too much money and pride on the line to let that happen, IMO.

nunusguy
06-30-2007, 02:53 PM
McNair needs to look in the mirror for 5 years of putting out a product that has been both bad and boring. Outside of metro Houston, the Texans are more known for the moves that they have NOT than for anything else.
BTW, the 50 sellout streak is a fraud. Yes, people bought the tickets, but we all know that over the last two seasons, there have been a huge amount of no shows. It was only a matter of time until the no-shows turned into no-buys.
Executing the option to retain DC "AND" drafting Mario Williams instead of VY or to a lesser degree Reggie Bush proved to be bad football decisions and worse business decisions. OK, I haven't given up on Mario though I'm frustrated about the pick in lieu of what we could have had. But even if the wins wern't more than 6 last year with Young or Bush, the entertainment value and fan support probably would have been better.
But I gotta disagree about the claim of fraudulent sellouts. They were sold out even if thousands or 10s of thousands skipped some games. If they don't sellout, local TV is blacked-out which is IMO a huge stigma and as said earlier means a revenue loss. No shows, especially in large numbers, are definitely not good but not the same as no sells. I mean what would McNair do next, take seats out of the stadium if they remained unsold like they do in Jacksonville ?

ArlingtonTexan
06-30-2007, 03:21 PM
Executing the option to retain DC "AND" drafting Mario Williams instead of VY or to a lesser degree Reggie Bush proved to be bad football decisions and worse business decisions. OK, I haven't given up on Mario though I'm frustrated about the pick in lieu of what we could have had. But even if the wins wern't more than 6 last year with Young or Bush, the entertainment value and fan support probably would have been better.
But I gotta disagree about the claim of fraudulent sellouts. They were sold out even if thousands or 10s of thousands skipped some games. If they don't sellout, local TV is blacked-out which is IMO a huge stigma and as said earlier means a revenue loss. No shows, especially in large numbers, are definitely not good but not the same as no sells. I mean what would McNair do next, take seats out of the stadium if they remained unsold like they do in Jacksonville ?

What I mean by fraud is that the Texans had 4 or 5 years of a honeymoon, grace period with many fans to put any kind of product on the field w/o a real threat not selling out occuring. The texans now burned this period and go figure now have to sell a product which is either a winning football team or a football with players the "public" wants to see. By public, I don't mean us, the guys who love football ( I would still be a season ticketholder if I were still BeaumontTexan), but the marginal fans who outnumber the hardcore fans by multiples. In short, the gauge of real interest the team is the people who show up. No shows are the first symptom of fans losing interest. Now we are seeing season ticket renewals slowing and the waiting list no longer a waiting list. Fewer people every year are caring and just having the NFL in Houston will not be enough. My guess is that this year the Texans can still sellout via single game buyer, but w/o a quality product that fan goes away after awhile.

TexansLucky13
06-30-2007, 03:25 PM
Florio does not like the Texans for whatever reason. Don't expect PFT to ever say anything good about us.

But who cares, anyways? Who cares what they think. The only thing that matters is how we feel about our team, and how well our team performs. Last year there were flashes of greatness and moments of triumph, and as fans we hold those very close to our hearts. We can't let some two-bit writer influence our feelings for our Texans.

Let's wait and let them talk after they see our defense next year (specifically DLine and MLB).

:texflag:

SheTexan
06-30-2007, 04:56 PM
Florio does not like the Texans for whatever reason. Don't expect PFT to ever say anything good about us.

But who cares, anyways? Who cares what they think. The only thing that matters is how we feel about our team, and how well our team performs. Last year there were flashes of greatness and moments of triumph, and as fans we hold those very close to our hearts. We can't let some two-bit writer influence our feelings for our Texans.

Let's wait and let them talk after they see our defense next year (specifically DLine and MLB).

:texflag:

Good post!!

IF we get off to a good start by taking down KC, Car, MAYBE the Colts, and by making MV eat dirt all day long, the stadium will be packed! Fan's will be willing to pay BIG bucks to see our Texans. FANS can do only so much! We need our team to give us a reason to get excited. Those Sept games will set the stage!! JMO!!

Texans_Chick
06-30-2007, 09:20 PM
I believe PFT is mistaken about this subject.

I spoke to someone with the Texans recently and that person said they were ahead of schedule for season ticket sales.


Check out this article about how the Texans sell more season tickets than the Cowboys:

link (http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/4143679.html)

August 26, 2006

As of Friday, the Texans had sold 60,908 season tickets. Their record and a record for any professional sports team in Texas was 61,435 in 2005. They are 527 behind.

The most season tickets the Cowboys have sold was 56,000. They sold 43,860 at Texas Stadium in 2005.

The most the Oilers sold was 45,000.

The Texans eventually will cut season tickets off. Like most teams, they generally like to sell about 90 percent of capacity, which is 71,056 at Reliant Stadium, including suites and wheelchair seating.

The Texans website (http://www.houstontexans.com/tickets/Newseasonticketspage.asp) says

There are a limited number of season tickets still available for this season. With more than 59,500 sold for this season already, there are less than 2,000 seats still available.

I think that has been up for a while. I expect by August, they will have numbers similar to last years.

I think a lot of teams would like the *problem* the Texans have in selling season tickets. Like the folks at the previously named Alltel, or Alltarp stadium. They can't even find someone to name their stadium.

With Vince and Reggie, it would have been easy for the Texans to sell season tickets, though I suspect a lot of them in Vince's instance would have been UT fans slumming at Texans games. I met quite a few of those people at last years Texans-Titans game. Actual quote: "Usually I don't watch Sunday football--I use Sundays to recover from Longhorn games"

Texans, the early years I guess is a way to cull the herd. Those of us who are left are some tough loyal cusses.

:texans chick:

the wonger need food
06-30-2007, 10:09 PM
Texans, the early years I guess is a way to cull the herd. Those of us who are left are some tough loyal cusses.

I never thought about it that way. It will make the winning seasons so much sweeter.

People can whine and moan all they want about the Texans not taking the running QB or the scatback. They made a decision to take a guy they felt could help them win their division by beating the Colts (in case the crybabies out there missed it... we beat the Colts for the first time in team history last season in large part thanks to their first round draft pick). We are finally seeing a front office with a concise business plan that they are actually following. If they make a mistake, they correct it and move forward. Production is more important than politics.

Under Casserly and Capers there was no business plan. They were all over the place with their decision making (e.g. bringing in veterans to be leaders the first couple of years, then later deciding they didn't want anyone over 30). When they made mistakes on players they would try to hide it by starting them (Todd Wade, Victor Riley, David Carr, Jason Babin, PBuc, etc., etc., etc...) instead of cutting them and trying to find competent replacements. Politics were always more important than winning.

Bob McNair has not strayed from his message that winning puts people in the seats. Taking a running QB or a scatback would have sold a few more season tickets in the short term, but the goal has always been to build a winner. I believe he has the right minds working for him now to be able to accomplish that.

Kaiser Toro
06-30-2007, 10:22 PM
I thought I saw the sky falling earlier today, but then I realized it was just some black helicopters hovering about.

Hervoyel
06-30-2007, 11:41 PM
Don't forget the loss of TV markets that demanded Saints and Titans games.

McNair really needs to beat the crap out of Casserly for costing him a ton of money.

McNair really needs to beat the crap out of himself for letting this happen. It didn't take a rocket scientist or a brain surgeon to make that pick. It was almost impossible to screw up but somehow his team did it.

Ultimately it's Bob McNair who is responsible for the way this team is run.

Texanmike02
07-01-2007, 02:50 AM
Executing the option to retain DC "AND" drafting Mario Williams instead of VY or to a lesser degree Reggie Bush proved to be bad football decisions and worse business decisions. OK, I haven't given up on Mario though I'm frustrated about the pick in lieu of what we could have had. But even if the wins wern't more than 6 last year with Young or Bush, the entertainment value and fan support probably would have been better.
But I gotta disagree about the claim of fraudulent sellouts. They were sold out even if thousands or 10s of thousands skipped some games. If they don't sellout, local TV is blacked-out which is IMO a huge stigma and as said earlier means a revenue loss. No shows, especially in large numbers, are definitely not good but not the same as no sells. I mean what would McNair do next, take seats out of the stadium if they remained unsold like they do in Jacksonville ?
They may have been bad business decisions... but I still maintain they were good football decisions. Maybe we should have gone about it differently, but how did either one figure into our football plans? Bush is a RB that has to make alot of cuts to be successful, and can't run between the tackles. We had just brought Kubes over to run the offense he ran so successfully in Denver... and it specifically isn't built for that kind of back... and Vince.. while everyone is in love with him... at this point is a runningback who can throw the ball... So far the closest comparison to VY would have to be Randell Cunningham if you ask me. VY was also the biggest risk of the top 3. We know Mario will at the very least be a force against the run... and may develop into a premier pass rusher... VY on the other hand won't be "passable" he will either be really really good... or really really bad. Maybe that's not completely accurate... but my point is that you can get something out of Mario even if you don't get what you drafted him to do... with VY if he doesn't improve at throwing the ball... then the Titans are in trouble. I'm not saying he won't... nor am I saying he's not talented.. I'm just saying that 20/20 VY was a viable option... but he had so many questions going into the draft.

Mike

the wonger need food
07-01-2007, 07:55 AM
It didn't take a rocket scientist or a brain surgeon to make that pick. It was almost impossible to screw up but somehow his team did it.

Tell that to the Saints who picked a 3rd down scatback when Maurice Drew, Laurence Maroney, DeAngelo Williams and Jerious Norwood were still available.

Or to the Titans who picked a running quarterback when Matt Leinart and Jay Cutler were still on the board.


A lot of teams make what the fans perceive as mistakes every draft.

Silver Oak
07-01-2007, 08:07 AM
Tell that to the Saints who picked a 3rd down scatback when Maurice Drew, Laurence Maroney, DeAngelo Williams and Jerious Norwood were still available.

Or to the Titans who picked a running quarterback when Matt Leinart and Jay Cutler were still on the board.


A lot of teams make what the fans perceive as mistakes every draft.

My thoughts exactly wonger. Yes vince had a good 5-6 games, and by good, I mean wins but not necessarily good production from his position. This upcoming season is huge for him and that team. If teams force the pass and he struggles, the tables will be turned pretty quickly. I still believe Leinert will be the best of the three but thats yet to be seen.

Don't get me started on reggie. Good highlight material on ESPN, but as an overall #1 RB off the board, I don't think so.

Tedc
07-01-2007, 08:19 AM
http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm



Currently, "less than 2,000" are available, which means that as many as 1,999 are left -- despite the prior existence of a "priority wait list."

So the inference that can be drawn is that, after a chunk of last year's season-ticket holders passed on renewing and after the folks on the waiting list got their chance to buy tickets, there are still about $1 million worth of unsold season seats.



Someone check my math here. The Texans season ticket average price is $60.63 a game (http://www.houstontexans.com/news/Story.asp?story_id=3166) x 10 games x 2000. I don't see how it equals more than 1 million.


I thought stories from profootballtalk were legit but I guess there is crap just about everywhere you look.:shades:

ArlingtonTexan
07-01-2007, 08:30 AM
My thoughts exactly wonger. Yes vince had a good 5-6 games, and by good, I mean wins but not necessarily good production from his position. This upcoming season is huge for him and that team. If teams force the pass and he struggles, the tables will be turned pretty quickly. I still believe Leinert will be the best of the three but thats yet to be seen.

Don't get me started on reggie. Good highlight material on ESPN, but as an overall #1 RB off the board, I don't think so.

There is not one objective messure that anyone can use to say the Williams in 2006 was a better player than Young or Bush. Young (leadership and ability to make key plays) and Bush (playmaker) displayed what made them special more often than Mario. That does not mean that this won't change overtime, even as early as this year, but trying prove the Texans made the right on the field decision based on 2006 does not get very far.

sakebomb
07-01-2007, 08:33 AM
Someone check my math here. The Texans season ticket average price is $60.63 a game (http://www.houstontexans.com/news/St...?story_id=3166) x 10 games x 2000. I don't see how it equals more than 1 million.


That equals 1,212,600.

And don't forget the extra $5 handling fee. That's another $10,000. :shades:

I'm going to open me up a NFL team. Who's with me?

Kaiser Toro
07-01-2007, 08:36 AM
There is not one objective messure that anyone can use to say the Williams in 2006 was a better player than Young or Bush. Young (leadership and ability to make key plays) and Bush (playmaker) displayed what made them special more often than Mario. That does not mean that this won't change overtime, even as early as this year, but trying prove the Texans made the right on the field decision based on 2006 does not get very far.

I am interested how you quantify Bush given the many acquisitions made by the Saints in the previous offseason.

Mario played with an injury all year, busted up a two point conversion against Miami and caused the TO against the Colts to change the game. We had a 300% year over year growth in the win column. Not sure how one can say Bush and Mario are much different except in the ESPN fulfilling prophecy via Sports Center highlights.

VY is another story in my opinion.

Tedc
07-01-2007, 08:41 AM
That equals 1,212,600.

And don't forget the extra $5 handling fee. That's another $10,000. :shades:

I'm going to open me up a NFL team. Who's with me?

Well, you wouldn't want me as your accountant.:user:


A million dollars doesn't buy what it used to.

the wonger need food
07-01-2007, 08:52 AM
That equals 1,212,600.

And don't forget the extra $5 handling fee. That's another $10,000. :shades:

I'm going to open me up a NFL team. Who's with me?


That's not putting much of a dent in Billionaire Bob's portfolio. A million bucks is walking around cash for him.

I imagine that most of the unsold seats are in the nosebleed sections and are considerably cheaper than $60.

The1ApplePie
07-01-2007, 09:10 AM
Bush would have added a second offensive weapon, which would have been a huge boon. At least it would be AJ and Bush instead of AJ and a bunch of guys that wouldn't start on an NFL team.

I'm hoping Green can bring a 2nd weapon to the offense

the wonger need food
07-01-2007, 09:27 AM
Bush would have added a second offensive weapon, which would have been a huge boon.

So would have Maurice Drew or Laurence Maroney or DeAngelo Williams. All of those guys would be better than having a 3rd down scatback or a decoy. I will take on field production over an occassional highlight reel every time.

Teams can't draft everybody. They decided to get who they thought was the best defensive player available because they perceived pass rush as their biggest weakness going into the draft. We won't know if it was the right decision for 3-4 more years.

Texans Pride
07-01-2007, 09:30 AM
When I called to upgrade my seats this year, there was one set of seats in the lower levels. . . Everything else was high and dry baby. . . . .We're fine

aj.
07-01-2007, 09:40 AM
I think what pft is missing is that the Texans have season tickets available every off season and they usually, if not always meet their target of around 60,000 season tickets sold.

In the past, the Texans actively managed the selling of the replenishment through a bogus Wait List while scamming people for 10 bucks. Now they are letting people do it themselves through Ticketmaster. More on that later.

In this economy/business environment/regional dynamic, I would expect a turnover rate of 5% per year (that would be 3000 tickets based on 60,000 in sales) to be fairly normal for many reasons - beyond the team stinking it up to the tune of 24-66 over the past 5 years.

There's another stat for pft to run:

How many teams, much less teams with 24-66 records over the past five years have sold 60,000 season tickets?

I check for open seats in the section to my left every year (seat improvement) and haven't been successful.

Back to Ticketmaster.

I just hit Texans season ticket sales link and here's a few findings:


If you want 2 or more together, all of the available season tickets are in the 600 and 700 levels.
The best two seats together that I could find - IMO - were in Section 607 Row P which is 25 yard line upper deck 16th row from the front if it starts at Row A.
The Directors Club is in Section 717 - lol
The color codes in the seating chart don't match the legend on the ticket purchase page. Very misleading.
The Texans have come up with some new fancy marketing name for these mostly non-PSL seats (Gridiron this, Gridiron that for the Upper Deck seats and what appears to be the 500 level endzone...). I picked 'Gridiron Loge' - and got a note that said "sorry, none available in that section but how would you like these?" What they offered was 'Gridiron Sideline' but it was Section 602, Row E. I would call that Upper Deck - Corner Endzone. Gridiron Loge appears to be 500's endzone - not to be confused with Loge I and II which is 500 sideline.
Inside Ticketmaster, you can buy "Gridiron Midfield' (prime 600 sideline) without buying the PSL. I just tested it and could have bought two season tix in Section 607, Row P. On the Texans Season Ticket Brochure, they show Gridiron Midfield as requiring a PSL. http://assets.houstontexans.com/assets/tickets/07SeasonTicketBro_r2x.pdf
I'm aware you could do that before - just pointing out the inconsistency. I guess when the team starts making its playoff run, the team will re-institute the PSL requirement to buy those seats and will have to deal with a different problem.




Another thing that obviously went over pft's collective heads was that last off season would have been more of a bailout year than this offseason.

I think this falls into the much ado about nothing and whatever category.

aj.
07-01-2007, 09:47 AM
Bush would have added a second offensive weapon ...

Bush needs a second offensive weapon in his own backfield (see Deuce) in order for him to be most effective. He's an ideal complementary weapon considering what is around him and he went to a perfect situation. As it turned out, our situation would have been far less perfect.

We draft Bush last year and try to use him as a primary RB, i.e., run him between the tackles, and he ends up with 35 rushing yards per game and a 3.6 per carry average and Texans fans (and everyone nationally) would be pissing and moaning about our OL not being able to run block for the second coming. The Texans would still be in need of a RB with more skills than Dayne, even with Bush. Can you imagine the headlines if the Texans went after a FA RB like Green a year after they selected Bush 1st overall?

Reggie went into a situation where they already had a top tier RB, a top tier QB, and a rookie WR that added just as much or more the mix than Bush did.

Koolaid Time
07-01-2007, 10:39 AM
That equals 1,212,600.

And don't forget the extra $5 handling fee. That's another $10,000. :shades:

I'm going to open me up a NFL team. Who's with me?

I'll chip in...

You can buy the Jags and move them to LA and re-sell them to some Hollywood Agent types. You'd double the money easy.

I predict the Jags or the Saints (or maybe the Raiders) will be in LA by 2012.

aj.
07-01-2007, 11:02 AM
I'll chip in...

You can buy the Jags and move them to LA and re-sell them to some Hollywood Agent types. You'd double the money easy.

I predict the Jags or the Saints (or maybe the Raiders) will be in LA by 2012.

The Vikings are at or near the top of the current 'relocation is possible' list.

vtech9
07-01-2007, 11:27 AM
https://oss.ticketmaster.com/html/pack_searchtix.htmI?l=EN&CNTX=9800744



FYI...your link is broken

aj.
07-01-2007, 11:56 AM
FYI...your link is broken


ok, I removed it.

Specnatz
07-01-2007, 11:56 AM
Bush would have added a second offensive weapon, which would have been a huge boon. At least it would be AJ and Bush instead of AJ and a bunch of guys that wouldn't start on an NFL team.

I'm hoping Green can bring a 2nd weapon to the offense


blah blah blah, same crap different day.

bush would have done absolutely for the running game, if he was in the backfield no one would have thoght, hey they might run the ball. Nope swing pass and that is it. But with the saints actually having a runningback then options are open. Not to mention the Texans would have still had the same problem of the QB being able to make the correct throws, and the same with vy, still would not have had a qb who could make the correct throws, so all the problems would still exsist and the defense would have been worse.

As far as aj and a bunch of guys who wouldn't start on a bunch of teams, you know this how? Oh you don't because it is speculation. just like I can say Colston would not start or even be second string backup on the champion colts. Colston happen to land in the best situation for him to succeed. Great for him, great feel good story.

bush on a team without a rb and a qb who can make all the throws, means no success, same boat same story blah blah blah.

Wolf
07-01-2007, 12:02 PM
hindsight is 20/20 but if i recall Texan fans were fairly excited about our offense with DD (oops DW now) coming back and with the addition of Eric Moulds

well we know how that turned out now

nunusguy
07-01-2007, 12:19 PM
Bush needs a second offensive weapon in his own backfield (see Deuce) in order for him to be most effective. He's an ideal complementary weapon considering what is around him and he went to a perfect situation. Our situation would have been far less perfect.
We draft Bush last year and try to use him as a primary RB, i.e., run him between the tackles, and he ends up with 35 rushing yards per game and a 3.6 per carry average and Texans fans (and everyone nationally) would be pissing and moaning about our OL not being able to run block for the second coming. The Texans would still be in need of a RB with more skills than Dayne, even with Bush. Can you imagine the headlines if the Texans went after a FA RB like Green a year after they selected Bush 1st overall?
Reggie went into a situation where they already had a top tier RB, a top tier QB, and a rookie WR that added just as much or more the mix than Bush did.
Deuce is a second offensive weapon for Bush, but more importantly he is the
first or primary running back the Saints have and therein lies the dilemma that Kubiak and all serious NFL offensive analysts have had about Bush and and his role as an offensive weapon in the NFL. Really not limited to the NFL, because to even at a lesser level we know from his days at USC that like McCalister at NO, LenDale White did the heavy-lifting in the backfield for the Trojans. This was never more evident than in the famous 4th & 1 near the end of the great national championship game vs Texas, when Bush was not even on the field while USC tried but failed with White alone to ice the game with a first down. So the real question remains, can Bush ultimately be an NFL feature back ?
If he can, which includes the ability to run up the middle on third & short and get the first down, while retaining his tremendous playmaking skills as a pass-receiver & off-tackle runner then Kubiak likely errored in his 2006 pick. Short of Bushs ability to prove himself a feature back he is a specialists, albeit a very valuable and effective one.

aj.
07-01-2007, 12:47 PM
Deuce is a second offensive weapon for Bush, but more importantly he is the first or primary running back the Saints have and therein lies the dilemma ...

It's a good problem to have. (that's one of my points)

As it turned out, the Texans weren't quite ready for that problem in terms of complementary talent. (that's one of my other points).

OrangeLotPole8
07-01-2007, 01:50 PM
The Texans personel choices have been one blunder after another. ONE of these years they will get it right, and when they do people will be begging for a ticket. I have been there through thick and thin, but honestly Kubes and Bob have not done alot to make me convinced they have turned the corner. Just my 2 cents.........:twocents:

Wolf
07-01-2007, 02:06 PM
it is hard to turn this around , I had a thread at one time that showed our draft choices and if they were with us, in the league still or not..

try looking that up and you can see why we are a struggling team, our draft choices have been horrendous on top of our FA signings

one needs to give Kubiak and Smith some time to undo what has been done and get people Kubiak type of personnel here

the wonger need food
07-01-2007, 05:04 PM
I have been there through thick and thin, but honestly Kubes and Bob have not done alot to make me convinced they have turned the corner. Just my 2 cents.........:twocents:


Were you asleep during rounds 2-7 of the draft? It seems to me that they picked up a lot of quality players. And there's no way that anyone knows anything about this year's draft.

The1ApplePie
07-01-2007, 06:07 PM
blah blah blah, same crap different day.

bush would have done absolutely for the running game, if he was in the backfield no one would have thoght, hey they might run the ball. Nope swing pass and that is it. But with the saints actually having a runningback then options are open. Not to mention the Texans would have still had the same problem of the QB being able to make the correct throws, and the same with vy, still would not have had a qb who could make the correct throws, so all the problems would still exsist and the defense would have been worse.

As far as aj and a bunch of guys who wouldn't start on a bunch of teams, you know this how? Oh you don't because it is speculation. just like I can say Colston would not start or even be second string backup on the champion colts. Colston happen to land in the best situation for him to succeed. Great for him, great feel good story.

bush on a team without a rb and a qb who can make all the throws, means no success, same boat same story blah blah blah.

Any offensive weapon in the 1st round would have been good. The last time was AJ, and that worked out pretty good. Under Capers, the D was crap, but the offense was even worse. Carr sucked, but he was never given anything outside of AJ and DD to work with. We've given Schaub Green to work with, which is an improvement, but he ain't exactly a spring chicken.

I'm hoping for McFadden or Slaton in the next draft.

TexansSeminole
07-01-2007, 06:48 PM
I'm hoping for McFadden or Slaton in the next draft.

Well they will both be Juniors right? And even then they will be Top 10 if not Top 5 when they come out...I hope we don't pick in the top 10 again.

TEXANSTAILGATER
07-01-2007, 08:29 PM
When I called to upgrade my seats this year, there was one set of seats in the lower levels. . . Everything else was high and dry baby. . . . .We're fine


They told you that too? LOL

They called me to upgrade parking which I never asked for. I asked to move outta the sun. I had to be kinda sheety to get moved at all. They went from nothin' to, well...there is some over in...blah blah blah

I wasn't real happy about the way it all went down. And I had called twice too to inquire about my status.

Saddest part? The same day I get an "SOL" form letter dated several days earlier.

I guess you gotta know somebody.

The1ApplePie
07-02-2007, 07:08 AM
Well they will both be Juniors right? And even then they will be Top 10 if not Top 5 when they come out...I hope we don't pick in the top 10 again.

This should be a QB rich draft, which may allow them to slip. Long and Baker will be two great top 10 OL prospects.

Of course, I've been hoping for a 1st round RB since the Franchise started, so I am not holding my breath.

Historyhorn
07-02-2007, 03:29 PM
I didn't ask to be moved this year, but I asked if I could add two seats to my account in the LL (anywhere). They had availability, but said they wouldn't sell those seats w/PSL unless I agreed to some Lone Star Club add on. They indicated it was a buffet in the practice facility and it would cost 1k or more for each season for each seat. They also indicated it would need to be an ongoing purchase on top of the PSL's year after year to keep the seats.

Faced with those options, I decided to forgo the club stuff and look on the secondary market, which is softer in the last two years than it has been in the past. If we start to win, then that should pick back up again.

Go Texans