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Historyhorn
06-26-2007, 11:02 AM
Has anyone seen news or information concerning the Texan's interest in the upcoming supplemental draft?

I know we're lacking next year's second round pick as a part of the Schaub deal, but there are two prospects that might rate a later round selection.

Paul Oliver CB out of Georgia. A need area for us, but maybe not as much of a need as a good Safety. He's a ball-hawker, but will probably command a price that will be too steep (third rounder).

Chris Patrick OT out of Nebraska. He is undersized for an NFL tackle, but is perfect for Guard. He excells at zone blocking which also fits our scheme, and could be had for a 5th or 6th round pick.

Again, not sure if these guys fit with what the team is looking for and what they're willing to give up, but both guys fall at positions where we could use some help and some depth.

Go Texans

Lucky
06-26-2007, 11:41 AM
Again, not sure if these guys fit with what the team is looking for and what they're willing to give up, but both guys fall at positions where we could use some help and some depth.

The Texans did take a CB (Bennett) with a similar skill level as Oliver in the regular draft. Regarding Patrick, the Texans just took two 2nd day offensive linemen in the regular draft. Can they afford to carry 3 rookies on the o-line? They haven't done that since the expansion season.

The big tackle out of Maryland, Jared Gaither, might be a different story (if he declares). But, can the Texans gamble a 1st round pick in the supplemental draft? A couple of key injuries, and this team could be picking in the top 5 in the '08 draft. Too risky. And even if Gaither were to make it to the 2nd round, that pick's gone to the falcons in the Schaub deal.

If Casserly were still the Texans GM, I think at least 1 of these guys would become a Texan. I just don't see Rick Smith and Gary Kubiak making a pick in this draft.

Spike
06-26-2007, 01:56 PM
I assume that we are taking a look at everyone, but I feel like we picked up some late round picks at two of our weakest positions - DB and OL, so from the outside looking in, I am not sure that we are doing ourselves any favors by picking up another unknown commodity. We might as well see how the current guys on the roster shake out.

TexanAddict
06-26-2007, 03:10 PM
I doubt any team will be using a day one pick on any of these guys. However, using a second day pick to acquire Oliver or Gaither might not be a bad gamble. I doubt you could find comparable talent in the 5th rounds of most regular drafts.

76Texan
06-26-2007, 06:20 PM
I heard Gaither has off-field problems.

Seems to be a bit much hype about Oliver.

The plus about Patrick is Nebraska runs a West Coast offense.
People says he might also be moved to Center, besides the Guard position.

A sixth or seventh round grade isn't so bad.

I don't know about the last seven games, but he did not allow a sack in the first 8.
He looks alrite on youtube in the games vs. USC and Oklahoma.

Maddict5
06-27-2007, 04:25 PM
just a few things ive read about the supp draft:

1- gaither prob isnt going to declare but even if he does i think the highest pick used would be a 2nd or (more likely) 3rd

2- oliver might be moved to safety in the pro's

i wouldnt mind using a day 2 pick on any of the oliver, patrick or gaither (who id spend a 3rd on)

Goldensilence
06-27-2007, 04:38 PM
Still calling a third as the highest for Oliver or Gaither though i am more inclined to say fourths.

I still think Frye is an interesting candidate at T down the road.I'm curious about this Lucas kid at C though i still think we should've taken a flyer on Dan Mozes.

TexanAddict
06-27-2007, 04:51 PM
Some info on Paul Oliver and Chris Patrick, via Yahoo:

Paul Oliver
Oliver held his own Pro Day on Wednesday, which was attended by numerous league scouts and talent evaluators. The All-SEC defender displayed very good footwork, quickness and ball skills, but failed to overwhelm evaluators with his 40-yard times (4.50 range) and vertical jump (33.5 vertical). However, he did shut down wide receiver Calvin Johnson, taken No. 2 overall by the Detroit Lions during the NFL draft in April, during the Bulldogs' win over Georgia Tech last season.

Oliver could have conceivably entered his senior campaign with a first-round grade. However, his early entry into the NFL because of his failure to keep up with his academics means that he'll likely be targeted by teams holding an extra third- or fourth-round pick in 2008 or franchises which were unable to secure a top-rated cornerback in the regular draft.

He had 57 tackles, three interceptions and showed ideal size (5-11, 195 pounds), while also being able to run stride for stride with most of the top SEC pass catchers. Oliver has long arms and shows the ability to time his leaps to keep taller receivers from gaining an advantage on him while the ball is in the air.

His game film would seem to show that he has better game speed than 40 times, which offers him the chance to help out in nickel and dime packages for the team that decides to add him through the draft. There are a number of teams that have private workouts set up with Oliver, including the Atlanta Falcons and the San Diego Chargers, according to his agent Jason Chayut.

Chris Patrick
Patrick is an interesting prospect that began to show signs of becoming another in the long line of talented Cornhuskers' blockers last season. He recorded times in the 5.20-5.30 range, although a few watches showed times just under 5.20. His 31 bench reps of 225 pounds show that he has the weight room strength to be a worthwhile long-range prospect, although there was a split between whether he should remain at tackle or move inside to guard.

At 6-4 5/8, 303 pounds, he ran 4.50 in the short shuttle, and recorded a 7.60 3-cone and 27" vertical. He moved well for a player of his size, but was a little stiff in certain drills. But according to his agent Joe Linta, who represents a number of offensive linemen in the NFL, most teams attending his workout (12 overall) said they had a sixth- to seventh-round grade on him.
Link (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=jm-supplementaldraft062107&prov=yhoo&type=lgns)

76Texan
06-27-2007, 05:56 PM
We might end up sitting out the whole thing altogether.

Il_Bruno
06-27-2007, 06:21 PM
We might end up sitting out the whole thing altogether.


I would vote for this option. Just use the reg. draft, supplemental guys never seem to pan out

threetoedpete
06-28-2007, 03:45 PM
Look the key to all of this is what is Charles Spencer's status. And ain't no one going to know that untill camp starts. Unfortunatly, that's three weeks after the SD. YTF is hot, and has been hot for Gaither for two off seasons now. I just feel that you don't give up your draft ammo a year out from needing it. The last thing you want to be doing is sitting there next April with the only thing in your hands day one is a third round pick and your joy toy. There's going to be some tasty bits that our club could use to bridge the gap between us and the colts in the first and third rounds. Be nice to have a few opotions next april instead of tring to roll for a seven in the supplimental. So far Smith and Kubiak have exercised extreme patience and forebarance with the rooster. I do not expect that to change. I don't mind them tring to catch lightening in a bottle with the(a) reach...but the bottom line: your going to have to guess as to which of the last two rookie o-lineman your going to expose to the waiver wire to sneak them onto the practice squad. If you don't do that, if you're carring two or three rookie o-lineman on the rooster out of camp, you're saying that whoever they take in the SD is expected to be available to start in a pinch. And there is no one on this supplemental draft board that qualifies for that there statement... period. No one. You're buying potential two seasons down the road.
They send anything other than a late day two bid on either of these guys, and I will be disappointed.

TexanAddict
06-28-2007, 04:18 PM
The last thing you want to be doing is sitting there next April with the only thing in your hands day one is a third round pick and your joy toy.

I doubt that any club will be giving away a 1st in the supplemental. More than likely you're talking about a day 2 pick. I agree anything higher would be too much.