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Texanmike02
06-21-2007, 09:49 PM
Its a little early... but there seems to be some disagreement about where the Texans are headed. I don't think I can break down game by game yet (kind of need to see who wins what spots etc) but lets get a feeling for how this season is going to go. How many wins do they coax out of this year? I'll go first... just looking at the schedule my first reaction is 6 games.

Here's the schedule if you need a refresher

CHIEFS
@ Panthers
COLTS
@ Falcons
OPPONENT
DOLPHINS
@ Jaguars
TITANS
@ Chargers
@ Raiders
SAINTS
@ Browns
@ Titans
BUCCANEERS
BRONCOS
@ Colts
JAGUARS


Mike

rickyb
06-22-2007, 10:19 AM
OK, this doesn't cost me nothin' (other than face, if I am wrong), so I'll play.

W CHIEFS
W @ Panthers Holy Schniekes! Are the Texans really 2-0?! :toast2:
L COLTS Back to earth...
W @ Falcons
OPPONENT
W DOLPHINS
L @ Jaguars The second-guessers talk about "shoulda traded down in the 1st and picked Nelson"...
W TITANS ...only to be shut down when we contain VY the following week.
L @ Chargers
W @ Raiders
L SAINTS
L @ Browns DOH!!!
L @ Titans DOH!!!!!!!
W BUCCANEERS
L BRONCOS DOH!!
L @ Colts
W JAGUARS

powerfuldragon
06-22-2007, 11:12 AM
i say seven wins.

Thorn
06-22-2007, 11:38 AM
With an improved defense, I think the Texans can go 8-8 this year and finally get out of loser mode.

Tailgate
06-22-2007, 11:40 AM
W CHIEFS - the crowd will resemble the Cowboys game and give us huge advantage

L @ Panthers - Road in NFL is tough

L COLTS - Colts revenge last years game in a close one

W @ Falcons - Schuab shows old club they made mistake

L DOLPHINS - turnovers kill us as we let one get away

W @ Jaguars - Hey, its the Jaguars

W TITANS - This win feels the best so far beating Vince and those tack fans

L @ Chargers - Defense hits LT in his mouth, but he keeps moving forward

W @ Raiders - battle of D's again.. cept Schuab actually throws for something

L SAINTS - This loss hurts the most after losing to that high powered offense

W @ Browns - Brady gets a concussion from Mario and they are off track

L @ Titans - 1-1 vs Young after 0-2 last year

W BUCCANEERS - Garcia is out and Chris Simms loses his gallbladder in this one

L BRONCOS - With playoff talk abound...crowd provides big time spark... yet lose it on last second fg

L @ Colts - 2 losses in a row now after Peyton has his way at home as usual.

W JAGUARS - Big win as we sweep Jax again and close out a successful 8-8 season


8-8.... and movin on up!

rollinstone18
06-22-2007, 01:31 PM
Its a little early... but there seems to be some disagreement about where the Texans are headed. I don't think I can break down game by game yet (kind of need to see who wins what spots etc) but lets get a feeling for how this season is going to go. How many wins do they coax out of this year? I'll go first... just looking at the schedule my first reaction is 6 games.

Here's the schedule if you need a refresher

CHIEFS Win
@ Panthers Loss
COLTS Loss
@ Falcons Win
OPPONENT
DOLPHINS Win
@ Jaguars Loss
TITANS Win
@ Chargers Loss
@ Raiders Win
SAINTS Loss
@ Browns Win
@ Titans Loss
BUCCANEERS Win
BRONCOS Loss
@ Colts Loss
JAGUARS Win


Mike

Have us down for 8 wins but I think there's a good chance we can pull off one or two "upsets".

Beer and Metal
06-22-2007, 01:48 PM
W CHIEFS Chiefs ain't quite got it together yet.

W @ Panthers Are the Panthers waning, or Texans waxing?

L COLTS Ehh.

W @ Falcons Our D-line contains the mobile Vick. Unless he's in jail.

L DOLPHINS Shoulda won, but a bad call kills us at a crucial moment.

L @ Jaguars The mysterious quietness of the sparse crowd somehow unnerves us.

W TITANS But all the highlight reels are of Young.

L @ Chargers But we beat the spread

L @ Raiders Raider fans break in and steal Texans cups and pain killers. We play very cautiously.

W SAINTS A runback for a touchdown swings it our way.

W @ Browns Cleaveland rocks, but not today.

L @ Titans But all the highlight reels are of Young.

W BUCCANEERS

L BRONCOS Kubiak hasn't quite outmastered the (former) master. Yet.

W @ Colts With nothing on the line, Colts sit out some starters.

W JAGUARS Not used to crowd noise, Jags look confused.



Texans 9-7

Kaiser Toro
06-22-2007, 01:49 PM
CHIEFS - Win
@ Panthers - Win
COLTS - Win
@ Falcons - Win
OPPONENT
DOLPHINS - Win
@ Jaguars - Loss
TITANS - Win
@ Chargers - Loss
@ Raiders - Win
SAINTS - Win
@ Browns - Win
@ Titans - Win
BUCCANEERS - Win
BRONCOS - Loss
@ Colts - Loss
JAGUARS - Win

12-4

pancho
06-22-2007, 03:55 PM
3-13. browns, titans, and bucs only wins.

Texans Horror
06-22-2007, 04:10 PM
5-11, 0-6 between Raiders and Jags

Noblesse Oblige
06-22-2007, 04:48 PM
CHIEFS -- W
@ Panthers -L
COLTS -L
@ Falcons -W
DOLPHINS- W
@ Jaguars- L
TITANS- W
@ Chargers- L
@ Raiders- W
SAINTS- L
@ Browns- W
@ Titans- L
BUCCANEERS- W
BRONCOS- L
@ Colts- L
JAGUARS- W

Result 8-8

frequentfliertx
06-22-2007, 11:05 PM
I'm going with 7-9, but I think we can overtake the Titans. I'm mean, have you seen all the problems they're having?

rickyb
07-17-2007, 08:37 AM
bump

brakos82
07-17-2007, 11:37 AM
bump

ow! That hurt! :bat:

HardcoreTexan
07-17-2007, 12:08 PM
I think we can pull out 9 wins...this season:fans:

powerfuldragon
07-17-2007, 12:11 PM
CHIEFS - Win
@ Panthers - Win
COLTS - Win
@ Falcons - Win
OPPONENT
DOLPHINS - Win
@ Jaguars - Loss
TITANS - Win
@ Chargers - Loss
@ Raiders - Win
SAINTS - Win
@ Browns - Win
@ Titans - Win
BUCCANEERS - Win
BRONCOS - Loss
@ Colts - Loss
JAGUARS - Win

12-4
seriously? or goggles?

Double Barrel
07-17-2007, 12:14 PM
I'm sticking with an optimistic 9-7 right now. It's possible.

Yankee_In_TX
07-17-2007, 12:24 PM
W - CHIEFS tough game, but we have something to prove, Texans by 3
L - @ Panthers ???
W - COLTS I think we can split them again this year, if we did it last year
W - @ Falcons Without a QB and a generally sorry offense...

W - DOLPHINS They're rebuilding too, we're further along
W - @ Jaguars Don't see any reason why not
W -TITANS
L - @ Chargers It's the freeeekin Chargers. LT. Nuff said.
W - @ Raiders They stink
L - SAINTS They may or may not be last year's team, but they're better than us
W - @ Browns revenge for The Curse
W - @ Titans They have squat this year
BUCCANEERS
L - BRONCOS Cutler may be new, but I think their depth kills ours
L - @ Colts
W- JAGUARS let's sweep again :)


Swing games: Chiefs, my double sweeps of the Titans and the Kitties. I think we should EXPECT an 8 win season.

Texan_Bill
07-17-2007, 12:53 PM
I'll play:

CHIEFS - WIN
@ Panthers - WIN
COLTS - LOSS
@ Falcons - WIN
DOLPHINS - WIN
@ Jaguars - LOSS
TITANS - WIN
@ Chargers - LOSS
@ Raiders - WIN
SAINTS - WIN
@ Browns - WIN
@ Titans - WIN
BUCCANEERS - WIN
BRONCOS - LOSS
@ Colts - LOSS
JAGUARS - WIN

WOW!!! Thats 11-5. I hope thats how it works out, but I doubt it. I think 8-8 would be a pretty good season and a lot more realistic.

threetoedpete
07-17-2007, 01:02 PM
With an improved defense, I think the Texans can go 8-8 this year and finally get out of loser mode.

I didn't vote but for the record I think 8-8 is reasonable. I also think it's a lot more likly to go 4-12 as it is 11-5 and make the play offs. Soloman this morning is tring to shake a few of you back to reality this morning. They win the first one that will be the first three game winning streak in franchise history. Nevermind that we have to count the last two from '06, I'll take it. They go 2-0, things begin to get interesting. They upset the colts, for a couple of weeks we get to enjoy the euphrioa of play off posts....something we've never done befor.... in the end they will fall back down to earth. They simply have too many journeyman who should be backing up not strating in the NFL to make a serious run this season.

Hardcore Texan
07-17-2007, 01:28 PM
I think we can pull out 9 wins...this season:fans:

The other Harcore says 8-8 with a chance to go 9-7.

Kaiser Toro
07-17-2007, 01:53 PM
seriously? or goggles?

Little bit of both. My money is on the Texans winning more than 6.5 games. I have been calling 12 wins for 2007 since Kubiak was hired and do not think it is out of the realm if we can start off the right foot and do not have any injuries. Moreover, given the fact that many teams can have quick turnarounds given the right chemistry and fortune going their way, I like to think that God just not only looks into the Irving toilet on Sundays, but also will spreading some love our way via Hail Mary's, Miraculous Receptions and divine protection for our QB.

Yankee_In_TX
07-17-2007, 02:35 PM
I'll play:

CHIEFS - WIN
@ Panthers - WIN
COLTS - LOSS
@ Falcons - WIN
DOLPHINS - WIN
@ Jaguars - LOSS
TITANS - WIN
@ Chargers - LOSS
@ Raiders - WIN
SAINTS - WIN
@ Browns - WIN
@ Titans - WIN
BUCCANEERS - WIN
BRONCOS - LOSS
@ Colts - LOSS
JAGUARS - WIN

WOW!!! Thats 11-5. I hope thats how it works out, but I doubt it. I think 8-8 would be a pretty good season and a lot more realistic.

That's what I accidentally did. I listed the games we CAN win, and had 10 wins and one undecided (I don't know what Tampa Bay looks like this year).

BobTx1950
07-18-2007, 09:51 PM
Unless we got an offensive line I dont know about and have a hidden defense in the backfirld somewhere we be lucky to win 6 games ..:fans: :fans: :fans:

YellerLotYeller
07-19-2007, 01:35 AM
W CHIEFS
W @ Panthers
L COLTS
W @ Falcons
L DOLPHINS
L @ Jaguars
W TITANS
L @ Chargers
W @ Raiders
L SAINTS
W @ Browns
W @ Titans
W BUCCANEERS
L BRONCOS
L @ Colts
W JAGUARS


9-7
:fans:

Silver Oak
07-19-2007, 08:43 AM
I like to think that God just not only looks into the Irving toilet on Sundays, but also will spreading some love our way via Hail Mary's, Miraculous Receptions and divine protection for our QB.

:splits: :texflag: :whip:

I love your optimism and rationale for 12 wins, but I would be thrilled with 8 wins myself. If 2 of them were against the titans...well, I might just hyperventilate from the happiness.

maddogmrb
07-19-2007, 09:00 AM
We just have too many "ifs" that have to fall in place for an 8 win or better season:

If our QB is as good as advertised?
If Green still has alot left in the tank?
If the Oline miraculously figures out how to run and pass block consistently well?
If we find 3 secondary players who are at least average or better?
If we find 2 OLB who are at least average or better?
If our Defensive schemes aren't too passive as last year?
If our Offensive schemes aren't too passive as last year?
If we can solidify our special teams?
If we avoid key injuries?

I say somewhere between 5-8 wins with 8 being really optimistic at this point. I hope they prove me wrong.

The Pencil Neck
07-19-2007, 11:07 AM
We just have too many "ifs" that have to fall in place for an 8 win or better season:

If our QB is as good as advertised?
If Green still has alot left in the tank?
If the Oline miraculously figures out how to run and pass block consistently well?
If we find 3 secondary players who are at least average or better?
If we find 2 OLB who are at least average or better?
If our Defensive schemes aren't too passive as last year?
If our Offensive schemes aren't too passive as last year?
If we can solidify our special teams?
If we avoid key injuries?

I say somewhere between 5-8 wins with 8 being really optimistic at this point. I hope they prove me wrong.


I look at it this way, we got 6 wins last year with:
1. A very bad QB
2. Inconsistent RB play.
3. Less talent on the o-line than we have this year.
4. Less talent in the secondary than we have this year.
5. Less talent in the LB crew than we have this year.
6. A defense that averaged less than 290 ypg allowed over the last 13 games.
7. A crappy offense.
8. Below average special teams.
9. A lot of injuries.

So, for me 8 wins seems within reach because we don't have to have ALL those if's go our way. If we have 1 or 2 things go our way, we can win 8. To win 8 games, we do not have to field a team without weaknesses.

DocBar
07-19-2007, 11:43 AM
CHIEFS-W
@ Panthers-W
COLTS-W
@ Falcons-W
OPPONENT
DOLPHINS-W
@ Jaguars-L
TITANS-W
@ Chargers-L
@ Raiders-W
SAINTS-W
@ Browns-W
@ Titans-L
BUCCANEERS-L
BRONCOS-L
@ Colts-L
JAGUARS-W
Heck, I guess I should've hit 10-6 instead of 8-8. Looks like we have our 1st WINNING season!!!!!:whip:

HuttoKarl
07-19-2007, 12:45 PM
Wins bolded. I feel that the Raiders game can go either way though.


CHIEFS
@ Panthers
COLTS
@ Falcons
DOLPHINS
@ Jaguars
TITANS
@ Chargers
@ Raiders
SAINTS
@ Browns
@ Titans
BUCCANEERS
BRONCOS
@ Colts
JAGUARS

Texans Horror
07-19-2007, 01:10 PM
CHIEFS...LOSS
@ Panthers...WIN
COLTS...LOSS
@ Falcons...WIN
OPPONENT
DOLPHINS...WIN
@ Jaguars...LOSS
TITANS...WIN
@ Chargers...LOSS
@ Raiders...WIN
SAINTS...LOSS
@ Browns...LOSS
@ Titans...LOSS
BUCCANEERS...WIN
BRONCOS...LOSS
@ Colts...LOSS
JAGUARS...WIN

What the hell. It's almost training camp and I'm feeling optimistic. 7 wins cause they go 3-1 against the NFC South.

DocBar
07-19-2007, 01:52 PM
[QUOTE=Texanmike;683565]

CHIEFS...LOSS
@ Panthers...WIN
COLTS...LOSS
@ Falcons...WIN
OPPONENT
DOLPHINS...WIN
@ Jaguars...LOSS
TITANS...WIN
@ Chargers...LOSS
@ Raiders...WIN
SAINTS...LOSS
@ Browns...LOSS
@ Titans...LOSS
BUCCANEERS...WIN
BRONCOS...LOSS
@ Colts...LOSS
JAGUARS...WIN

What the hell. It's almost training camp and I'm feeling optimistic. 7 wins cause they go 3-1 against the AFC South.
Um...maybe I'm not reading this right, but you have us at 2-4 against the AFC South. Did you mean NFC South?:pirate: :cowboy1: :wild:

brakos82
07-19-2007, 02:33 PM
CHIEFS- W
@ Panthers- W
COLTS- L
@ Falcons- W
OPPONENT- WTF?
DOLPHINS- W
@ Jaguars- L
TITANS- W
@ Chargers- L
@ Raiders- W
SAINTS- L
@ Browns- W
@ Titans- L
BUCCANEERS- W
BRONCOS- L
@ Colts- L
JAGUARS- W

I've been saying 9-7 since the schedule came out, and I'm still saying 9-7.

Texans Horror
07-19-2007, 04:35 PM
Um...maybe I'm not reading this right, but you have us at 2-4 against the AFC South. Did you mean NFC South?:pirate: :cowboy1: :wild:

Don't let us handle your math! Corrected it. 3-1 against NFC South, 2-4 against AFC South

Texanmike02
07-19-2007, 07:16 PM
I look at it this way, we got 6 wins last year with:
1. A very bad QB
2. Inconsistent RB play.
3. Less talent on the o-line than we have this year.
4. Less talent in the secondary than we have this year.
5. Less talent in the LB crew than we have this year.
6. A defense that averaged less than 290 ypg allowed over the last 13 games.
7. A crappy offense.
8. Below average special teams.
9. A lot of injuries.

So, for me 8 wins seems within reach because we don't have to have ALL those if's go our way. If we have 1 or 2 things go our way, we can win 8. To win 8 games, we do not have to field a team without weaknesses.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. While we know we have weaknesses... do we have any definite strengths. Not relative to the rest of the team... but the rest of the league. Is there one thing that we do that we are even in the top 1/3 of the league in? I know there are things we have the potential to be good... but is there anything we have a track record of doing well?

Mike

maddogmrb
07-19-2007, 08:43 PM
I've said it before and I'll say it again. While we know we have weaknesses... do we have any definite strengths. Not relative to the rest of the team... but the rest of the league. Is there one thing that we do that we are even in the top 1/3 of the league in? I know there are things we have the potential to be good... but is there anything we have a track record of doing well?

Mike


Andre Johnson & Demeco Ryans and that's it. I believe we will be improved this year but, I doubt we will win more than 7 or 8 games even if alot of my "ifs" come thru for us.

Buffi2
07-19-2007, 09:04 PM
Is there one thing that we do that we are even in the top 1/3 of the league in?
Mike

Details! We shouldn't let a little thing like not being in the top third of the league in anything bog us down from predicting a winning season.:)

I'll go with 9-7 with a good bounce or two and 8-8 without the bounce.:homer:

:texflag:

Joe Texan
07-19-2007, 09:11 PM
Kubes will get them to 10 this year:d: :texflag: :fans: :trophy:

brakos82
07-19-2007, 09:19 PM
:trophy:

I think you're getting a littel ahead of yourself with that one. :bat:

DocBar
07-19-2007, 10:05 PM
I've said it before and I'll say it again. While we know we have weaknesses... do we have any definite strengths. Not relative to the rest of the team... but the rest of the league. Is there one thing that we do that we are even in the top 1/3 of the league in? I know there are things we have the potential to be good... but is there anything we have a track record of doing well?

Mike As pointed out earlier, Demeco and Andre. I would also add
our defense(the last 2/3 of last season is more indicative than the first1/3),
our run offense showed signs of getting into the "Kubes Groove" over the last 1/3 of last season and we had a pretty damned good offseason considering our coaching staff has a year together, as do our great rookies from the '06 draft(YES we had great rookies last year other than Ryans), our vets have a year experience under the new regime's system, we have a new QB, that, in itself is an improvement(maybe not top 1/3, but maybe it is...), KW finally gets an honest chance to strut his stuff. I think we'll be impressed by our Texans this year. JMHO.
:cowboy1:

threetoedpete
07-20-2007, 11:14 AM
I look at it this way, we got 6 wins last year with:
1. A very bad QB
2. Inconsistent RB play.
3. Less talent on the o-line than we have this year.
4. Less talent in the secondary than we have this year.
5. Less talent in the LB crew than we have this year.
6. A defense that averaged less than 290 ypg allowed over the last 13 games.
7. A crappy offense.
8. Below average special teams.
9. A lot of injuries.

So, for me 8 wins seems within reach because we don't have to have ALL those if's go our way. If we have 1 or 2 things go our way, we can win 8. To win 8 games, we do not have to field a team without weaknesses.



Yes pencil neck the glass could be half full. And Toro you're correct too. If they don't lose anyone to the injury bug....all those little ifs...try this: in first quarter, Vonta Leech goes down with a twisted ankle. Pitts Blows out a knee . The o-line suddenly goes into kaos for the fourth seaon in a row. The prospectus of a rushing attack is as shaky as Leech's ankle. One thingy I've learned over the years, just about the time you get one injury sorted out, you get another one in the worst possible, the most unlikly position. I'm not saying it will happen. But yeah they gotta get awefully lucky with the injuries, especailly with the number of thirty somethings on the rooster to make a lagitamte play off contender run. They go three and three with in the division, I'll be a happy man. Anything beyond that is gravy with this roster.

brakos82
07-20-2007, 12:51 PM
Yes pencil neck the glass could be half full. And Toro you're correct too. If they don't lose anyone to the injury bug....all those little ifs...try this: in first quarter, Vonta Leech goes down with a twisted ankle. Pitts Blows out a knee . The o-line suddenly goes into kaos for the fourth seaon in a row. The prospectus of a rushing attack is as shaky as Leech's ankle. One thingy I've learned over the years, just about the time you get one injury sorted out, you get another one in the worst possible, the most unlikly position. I'm not saying it will happen. But yeah they gotta get awefully lucky with the injuries, especailly with the number of thirty somethings on the rooster to make a lagitamte play off contender run. They go three and three with in the division, I'll be a happy man. Anything beyond that is gravy with this roster.

Are you sure you can spell? :shades:

Texanmike02
07-20-2007, 06:42 PM
Are you sure you can spell? :shades:

Hay, hi mae knot bee albe too spel... butt hi kan reeson prety gud.

Myke

Texanmike02
07-20-2007, 06:48 PM
Andre Johnson & Demeco Ryans and that's it. I believe we will be improved this year but, I doubt we will win more than 7 or 8 games even if alot of my "ifs" come thru for us.

While those players may be at the top 1/3 of the league... we don't actually DO anything better than 2/3 of the league. I mean you can't do AJ or DR.. well actually... if you're doing either of them and reading this... what the hell is wrong with you... Seriously if you are doing either of them and reading this let me know I'd love to get you to ask them some questions on my behalf or at least an autograph lol


Mike.

brakos82
07-20-2007, 06:57 PM
Hay, hi mae knot bee albe too spel... butt hi kan reeson prety gud.

Myke

Your reasoning is great, I can't fault you for that. :shades:

brakos82
07-20-2007, 06:58 PM
This poll's results mirror the ones I saw on the main page a couple weeks ago: 8-8 and 9-7 about even.

bayshorebevo
07-20-2007, 07:10 PM
9-7. I am so sick of hearing new team, rebuilding, etc., I could throw up (I just did and those were new shoes). If the team is not looking towards the playoffs, why play? Don't bother apologists, I already know what you are going to say.

Texanmike02
07-20-2007, 07:15 PM
9-7. I am so sick of hearing new team, rebuilding, etc., I could throw up (I just did and those were new shoes). If the team is not looking towards the playoffs, why play? Don't bother apologists, I already know what you are going to say.

How can I be an apologist? I don't get it. By that logic why don't you take it a step farther. Are you willing to say we are going to win the Super bowl this year? I mean if that's not your ultimate goal then why do you play? Need I remind you Lebron hasn't won a super bowl?

I see people talking about 9 wins but have found very few people who can give any more evidence than "any given sunday" type answers.

Mike

bayshorebevo
07-20-2007, 07:29 PM
What kind of "evidence" are you talking about for game(s) that haven't been played yet? We do not know how teams will play this year. That is why preseason rankings are complete crap. Every year there are teams that everybody expects to stink do well. Why would it be possible for them to win and not us. Are you saying it is okay to mail the season in? And as far as you being an apologist, it was a general comment directed against the rhetoric, not you. I have never heard of you before.

The Pencil Neck
07-20-2007, 10:17 PM
How can I be an apologist? I don't get it. By that logic why don't you take it a step farther. Are you willing to say we are going to win the Super bowl this year? I mean if that's not your ultimate goal then why do you play? Need I remind you Lebron hasn't won a super bowl?

I see people talking about 9 wins but have found very few people who can give any more evidence than "any given sunday" type answers.


It all comes down to whether you like the moves made in the offseason or not. I think we've made significant improvements in our team.

I think we've made a major improvement at the QB position. I don't have any "proof" of that but I don't believe it's possible to get much worse play than what we had last year.

I think we've made moves to improve our defensive line, our linebacking corp, and our secondary. I would have liked to have seen a ball-hawking free safety picked up but I think we're stronger and deeper across the entire defense than we were last year. I also think we're going to be better coached. And with all that said, although our defense didn't generate a lot of turnovers, it was not a bad unit last year for yards allowed after the first three games of the season.

We've got a better, more experienced, and healthier group of running backs than we had this time last year. I don't know if Green will be able to be healthy for the entire season or if he'll live up to his pro-bowl history, but I really expect him to contribute more than Domanick did last year. So I expect more production from the running game.

Last year, it didn't matter much who our receivers were past #1. Our QB wasn't going to find them. I think MS will. People talk about us not having a #2 but this unit does have some potential. I think the group, as a unit, is going to be more productive than last year if only because of the change at QB. And that's not bringing up the fact that our TE corp is really good and really underrated. DC stopped looking for Owen after Owen got hurt mid-season but Owen was still getting open when he came back at the end of the year.

And that all comes back around to our offensive line. The unit had a lot of injuries last year and still performed much better than it had the year before. It seems to me that Kubiak is going with the approach that the unit just needs to work together more in order to gell and didn't make the wholesale changes a lot of people here (and in the media) wanted and expected. He obviously thinks that this squad isn't as bad as some people think they are. Either that, or he's expecting a lot from some lower round rookies.

So, for me, I saw a team last year that wasn't very good that showed a lot of heart and won some games we should have lost and lost some games we should have won. But we ended up winning 6. With the improvements we've made, I think we'll do better. Some people look at our schedule and think that it's going to be difficult to get more than 6 wins but I think they're over-rating some teams. (I expect LJ to have a bad, bad year this year.) That's why I think we're going to win 8.

Texanmike02
07-21-2007, 01:23 AM
What kind of "evidence" are you talking about for game(s) that haven't been played yet? We do not know how teams will play this year. That is why preseason rankings are complete crap. Every year there are teams that everybody expects to stink do well. Why would it be possible for them to win and not us. Are you saying it is okay to mail the season in? And as far as you being an apologist, it was a general comment directed against the rhetoric, not you. I have never heard of you before.

What I'm talking about when I say evidence, is some sign other than just "we improved at this position". The most common logic for picking us to do 9-7 seems to be "well we were horrible last year and we managed to win 6 games, we're better this year so we should win more games". I'm about to start a different thread focusing on each aspect of the game... just basically a pole which asks where you think the team will be in each aspect of the game. When I look at the Texans, I see a team which isn't going to be in the top 1/3 of the league in any fundamental aspect of the game, but will finish in the bottom 1/3 of the league in a few aspects. I just don't know how that translates to 9 wins. I realize we have a few players (Ryans/AJ) who are borderline top 5 players at their position, but that doesn't mean that as a team we do anything extremely well.

Mike

The Pencil Neck
07-21-2007, 02:40 AM
What I'm talking about when I say evidence, is some sign other than just "we improved at this position". The most common logic for picking us to do 9-7 seems to be "well we were horrible last year and we managed to win 6 games, we're better this year so we should win more games". I'm about to start a different thread focusing on each aspect of the game... just basically a pole which asks where you think the team will be in each aspect of the game. When I look at the Texans, I see a team which isn't going to be in the top 1/3 of the league in any fundamental aspect of the game, but will finish in the bottom 1/3 of the league in a few aspects. I just don't know how that translates to 9 wins. I realize we have a few players (Ryans/AJ) who are borderline top 5 players at their position, but that doesn't mean that as a team we do anything extremely well.

Mike

I think I disagree with your basic premise here*.

The Seahawks and Jets didn't finish in the top 3rd in any major category last year and made it to the playoffs. There were several teams that did finish in the top 3rd in major categories that DIDN'T make it to the playoffs. The Titans and Jags both finished in the top 3rd in Rushing and see where that got them. The Ravens only finished in the top third in Rushing D. The Steelers didn't make it into the playoffs even though they finished in the top 3rd of the league in SEVERAL categories.

So I think your idea that you have to finish at the top in several categories in order to make it to the playoffs is wrong.

If the Texans play D like we did the last 13 games of the season last year (or better), then we will be in the top 3rd of the league in defense. I think our O will at least be in the top half of the league. But I know from looking at the stats that you can get to 8-8 with or without doing that.


* When I'm looking at "major" categories, I'm looking at yardage and yardage only. I'm looking at Rushing/Passing/Total yards for Offense and Defense.

HJam72
07-21-2007, 08:29 AM
Technically, you don't have to be in the top third of anything to be an 8-8 team. You just have to be mediocre at everything.

I think one of the naysayers is right about one thing: Leach goes down, and about half of our running game goes with him; but, that's the NFL.

Kaiser Toro
07-21-2007, 08:41 AM
70% of folks think we will win 8 to 9 games. :hmmm:

Texanmike02
07-21-2007, 11:09 AM
I think I disagree with your basic premise here*.

The Seahawks and Jets didn't finish in the top 3rd in any major category last year and made it to the playoffs. There were several teams that did finish in the top 3rd in major categories that DIDN'T make it to the playoffs. The Titans and Jags both finished in the top 3rd in Rushing and see where that got them. The Ravens only finished in the top third in Rushing D. The Steelers didn't make it into the playoffs even though they finished in the top 3rd of the league in SEVERAL categories.

So I think your idea that you have to finish at the top in several categories in order to make it to the playoffs is wrong.

If the Texans play D like we did the last 13 games of the season last year (or better), then we will be in the top 3rd of the league in defense. I think our O will at least be in the top half of the league. But I know from looking at the stats that you can get to 8-8 with or without doing that.


* When I'm looking at "major" categories, I'm looking at yardage and yardage only. I'm looking at Rushing/Passing/Total yards for Offense and Defense.

I'm not saying that you have to finish in the top 1/3 in several categories to be an 8-8 team. I'm saying if you do several things woefully - Passblock, run routes, safety help, coverage, run support from LBs... you have to do some things better than average if you want to be an 8-8 team. You can't be horrible at multiple things and still expect to make the playoffs or even finish at .500. Sure it CAN happen. A few years back the Browns made the playoffs with a horrible offense and a generally average or below average defense. It CAN happen. But you shouldn't EXPECT it to happen. If you could then owners wouldn't be shelling out the kind of money they do for top talent and teams like the Raiders and Browns wouldn't make any moves they would just wait for the "group to come together." My example would be Indy. They were horrible at run defense while Bathea was out last year. But they were a very good at running the ball. That allowed them to maintain a decent TOP ratio. If you expect to win regularly in this league you have to have a way to hide your deficiencies. The Texans just won't be able to hide enough of their deficiencies this year in my opinion. Even when you list the things they do well.... run the ball... they aren't in the top 10 teams in the NFL. When you talk about things they do poorly though, they are in the bottom 5 of the league and there are more things they do poorly than they do well. I do however think that by the end of the year this team will be an 8-8 quality team. I just think that we will start the year badly and with our schedule (although if Vick doesn't play for Atlanta I may have to move my prediction up to 7 wins) that things don't look like an 8 win season to me.

Mike
Mike

Texanmike02
07-21-2007, 11:11 AM
Technically, you don't have to be in the top third of anything to be an 8-8 team. You just have to be mediocre at everything.

I think one of the naysayers is right about one thing: Leach goes down, and about half of our running game goes with him; but, that's the NFL.
Problem:

We're not mediocre at everything... we're horrible at several things which means you need to be above average in a few things or you won't go 8-8.

Mike

The Pencil Neck
07-21-2007, 12:13 PM
Technically, you don't have to be in the top third of anything to be an 8-8 team. You just have to be mediocre at everything.


Well, the Jets finished 10-6 without finishing in the top 3rd of the league in anything.

And if you finish 8-8, then you're in the running for a playoff spot. An 8-8 team usually makes it in.

The Pencil Neck
07-21-2007, 12:32 PM
I'm not saying that you have to finish in the top 1/3 in several categories to be an 8-8 team. I'm saying if you do several things woefully - Passblock, run routes, safety help, coverage, run support from LBs... you have to do some things better than average if you want to be an 8-8 team. You can't be horrible at multiple things and still expect to make the playoffs or even finish at .500. Sure it CAN happen. A few years back the Browns made the playoffs with a horrible offense and a generally average or below average defense. It CAN happen. But you shouldn't EXPECT it to happen. If you could then owners wouldn't be shelling out the kind of money they do for top talent and teams like the Raiders and Browns wouldn't make any moves they would just wait for the "group to come together." My example would be Indy. They were horrible at run defense while Bathea was out last year. But they were a very good at running the ball. That allowed them to maintain a decent TOP ratio. If you expect to win regularly in this league you have to have a way to hide your deficiencies. The Texans just won't be able to hide enough of their deficiencies this year in my opinion. Even when you list the things they do well.... run the ball... they aren't in the top 10 teams in the NFL. When you talk about things they do poorly though, they are in the bottom 5 of the league and there are more things they do poorly than they do well. I do however think that by the end of the year this team will be an 8-8 quality team. I just think that we will start the year badly and with our schedule (although if Vick doesn't play for Atlanta I may have to move my prediction up to 7 wins) that things don't look like an 8 win season to me.


It comes back around to you thinking that they're as bad as last year and me thinking that they're better.

You're using last year's statistics to try to discuss what's going to happen this coming season. You keep saying "they ARE this" and "they ARE that" but in truth, no one knows what they are. We're not going to know until they play. You're essentially saying that we finished in the bottom third in most categories last year and because of that we're going to be a 6-10 team THIS year. You are essentially saying that we are the same team we were last year.

I'm not going to be surprised if we finish in the top 10 in rushing defense and overall defense. I'm not going to be surprised if we finish in the top 10 in total offense, either.

Additionally, I bet that you can find teams every year that didn't finish high in very many categories that made it to the playoffs. A lot of teams that finish high in certain categories are lopsided and unbalanced. Last year, 5 of the top 10 offenses didn't make the playoffs and 6 of the top 10 defenses didn't make the playoffs. (Although, this is interesting, if you take the average of the total offense and total defense and sort the teams by that, 8 of the top 10 made the playoffs. Only the Steelers and Jags missed by that standard. The Jets finished in the bottom 10. Seahawks missed that by one)

The Pencil Neck
07-21-2007, 12:41 PM
Problem:

We're not mediocre at everything... we're horrible at several things which means you need to be above average in a few things or you won't go 8-8.

Mike

No, no. We WERE horrible at several things and even then, we weren't as horrible as the final statistics show.

Cut out the first three games last year. Those first three games were horrendous and do not truly illustrate how our D played or what our D is capable of. If you remove those three games, get the average yards per game, and then apply that to a 16 game season, we would have given up 2833 yards per game passing. That would have put us 3rd. If you do the same with our rushing defense, we would have given up 1805 yards. That would have put us 12th. Our overall defense would have finished up 5th.

So you can look at last year's stats and say that we were horrible, but is that assessment accurate? I don't think so. You do.

threetoedpete
07-21-2007, 12:57 PM
Well, the Jets finished 10-6 without finishing in the top 3rd of the league in anything.

Yes and the Jets had a very farvorable schedule last season. Won a few early and got the young guys believing. They also had a Vet QB. If you got a pretty low opinion of the NFC south I suppose you could throw up 10-6. Mike has summed it up pretty well up there. It's not just the little if's. It's the shear number of them. But you guys wanna whip yourselves up be my guess. All things are possible....IF....they get out of the gate 3-0. Might get a Lawerance Taylor/Harry Carson season out of Greenwood and Orr or one of the new guys . Black/Winston/Frye might be enough warm bodies at OLT. And Whomever at free saftey might play the season of their life. Catch a Criss Dishman like month and we win a few we weren't supposed to win. The ball club go injury free. I'm just saying there are quite a few "things" that have to go correctly for this club to be play off contenders. Kubiak said one himself not long ago...cut the sacks down by twenty. Go from the forties to the twenties with this group ? Uh huh, now tell me another one. Just one more little if. All of these thing are possible, not probable. I'm not being mean. I'm being objective. I know what this board is going to look like in October when some of these lofty expectations aren't met.

It's not they are esentially the same team as they were last year PN. It's that they didn't have enough cap room or draft picks to shoe away all those pesty "ifs". They have far too many journeyman starting in key positions to make a serious play off run this season. If Kubes and Smith gets this group any where close to the play offs they should win coach of the year and GM of the year hands down. And the voting shouldn't even be close.


Let the spell police begin, lol.

The Pencil Neck
07-21-2007, 01:08 PM
Yes and the Jets had a very farvorable schedule last season. Won a few early and got the young guys believing. They also had a Vet QB. If you got a pretty low opinion of the NFC south I suppose you could throw up 10-6. Mike has summed it up pretty well up there. It's not just the little if's. It's the shear number of them. But you guys wanna whip yourselves up be my guess. All things are possible....IF....they get out of the gate 3-0. Might get a Lawerance Taylor/Harry Carson season out of Greenwood and Orr or one of the new guys . Black/Winston/Frye might be enough warm bodies at OLT. And Whomever at free saftey might play the season of their life. Catch a Criss Dishman like month and we win a few we weren't supposed to win. The ball club go injury free. I'm just saying there are quite a few "things" that have to go correctly for this club to be play off contenders. Kubiak said one himself not long ago...cut the sacks down by twenty. Go from the forties to the twenties with this group ? Uh huh, now tell me another one. Just one more little if. All of these thing are possible, not probable. I'm not being mean. I'm being objective. I know what this board is going to look like in October when some of these lofty expectations aren't met.


You seem to think that we need to have a brickwall offensive line, a Lawrence Taylor season from Greenwood, and all these other things go just right for us to be in the playoffs. That's bull.

We were a couple of plays away from finishing 8-8 and being in the playoff hunt last year. We're better this year.

I'm not saying that we're going to be a dominant team. I'm not saying we're going to be the Chargers or the Colts. But we can be what the Titans and Jaguars were last year. If a lot of things break wrong, we can end up 2-14. If a lot of things break right, we can end up 14-2. But I feel that this team, with the progress that's been made (especially at QB), is an 8-8 team.

threetoedpete
07-21-2007, 03:13 PM
You seem to think that we need to have a brickwall offensive line, a Lawrence Taylor season from Greenwood, and all these other things go just right for us to be in the playoffs. That's bull.

We were a couple of plays away from finishing 8-8 and being in the playoff hunt last year. We're better this year.

I'm not saying that we're going to be a dominant team. I'm not saying we're going to be the Chargers or the Colts. But we can be what the Titans and Jaguars were last year. If a lot of things break wrong, we can end up 2-14. If a lot of things break right, we can end up 14-2. But I feel that this team, with the progress that's been made (especially at QB), is an 8-8 team.

Well grasshopper believe what you want to. I've been to this rodeo befor. Nothing surprises me anymore. History says the only thing we've got a good shot at dominating is the IR wire. I do hope you are correct PN.
They have too many journeyman at key spots to make a legitamate run. They get Spencer back in the next couple of weeks, solve another if at FS, I'll be more recpetive. But as the roster lays as of July, with what we know for a fact, I'll be very happy with 3-3 within the division and 8-8 for the year.
Since they won two they shouldn't have last year, that will be a four game swing in one season. I'd be very happy with that.

Texanmike02
07-21-2007, 11:11 PM
. If a lot of things break right, we can end up 14-2.

WOAH... did you really say that man. We've had a pretty respectable discussion till now but if they go 14-2 nobody in Houston should ever buy a lottery ticket EVER. Nobody gets that lucky twice in a lifetime.

Mike

The Pencil Neck
07-21-2007, 11:40 PM
WOAH... did you really say that man. We've had a pretty respectable discussion till now but if they go 14-2 nobody in Houston should ever buy a lottery ticket EVER. Nobody gets that lucky twice in a lifetime.

Mike

I didn't say that it was likely. But it is within the realm of possibility... much like buying a lottery ticket. That's like if every team in the league has a rash of injuries and we're the only ones untouched. :)

And I will grant you that we're much closer to the 4-12 than we are to the 14-2.

Texanmike02
07-21-2007, 11:46 PM
I didn't say that it was likely. But it is within the realm of possibility... much like buying a lottery ticket. That's like if every team in the league has a rash of injuries and we're the only ones untouched. :)

And I will grant you that we're much closer to the 4-12 than we are to the 14-2.

Ok good. In fact I think that its about as likely as last week's lottery ticket winning next week's lottery. I was gonna give you the name to a few good shrinks and create a sig with that one lol... I really don't think you and I are that far off really. You just seem less worried about the beginning of the season that I am.

Mike

nedthehead
07-22-2007, 10:07 AM
3 wins.

brakos82
07-22-2007, 12:34 PM
3 wins.

we're talking regular season, not preseason.

Wolf
07-30-2007, 04:28 PM
I think 9-7 (if we stay healthy)


I also predict we will be called the Oilers a couple of times this year and Schaub will be called Carr a couple of times by the announcers
:devilpig:

keyser
07-30-2007, 04:54 PM
9-7. I'm basing this mainly on trust that the coaching and front office are making moves that will improve the team. Last year was right where I predicted - a step forward, out of the pitiful category. By this year, the team should have made another big step, into the "good but not playoff-caliber" level, which is about 9-7. I'd be disappointed with anything below 8-8, and barring horrendous injury, I think that would reflect badly on the coaching. By 2008, I'd expect the team should be able to make the playoffs, and should be disappointed with anything less.

gtexan02
07-30-2007, 05:00 PM
Playing the Chiefs at the beginning is going to suck. I wish we played them at the end so LJ was all tired

V3rm0nt3r
07-30-2007, 05:05 PM
Chiefs- Win- Chiefs fell apart this offseason.

Panthers- Loss- Carr is starting and Smith breaks through the secondary and gets bombs thrown to him from the ghost of Christmas Past.

Colts- WIN- LB's stops the run and Manning dosn't get time to step back and throw.

Falcons- Win- Double cover Horn and the other recievers don't help Harrington.

Dolphins- Win- D-Line destroys the 2nd worst O-line in NFL. (Oakland= 1)

Jags- Loss- Defensive battle that ends with thier secondary stopping Johnson and Co.

Titans- Win- Young is out caused by the Madden Curse and the immobile Colins can't get away from pressure.

Chargers- Loss

Raiders- Win- Didn't make enough moves to put them out of the bottom ten.

Saints- Loss

Browns- Win- Clevland gets 8 wins but defence isn't solidified.

Titans- Win- same deal as the 1st time.

Buccaneers- Loss- Tampa gets 9 wins in Galloway's last year.

Broncos- Loss- Jay Cutler becomes the QB Denver thought he would be.

Colts- Loss- Addai runs over the weakside.

Jaguars- Win- Same as first but homefield advantage is on the other side.

9-7 with a few up in the air games

Noblesse Oblige
07-30-2007, 05:16 PM
Playing the Chiefs at the beginning is going to suck. I wish we played them at the end so LJ was all tired

Isn't LJ holding out? One can hope he isn't even there when we play them.

Beer and Metal
08-26-2007, 06:15 PM
W CHIEFS Chiefs ain't quite got it together yet.

W @ Panthers Are the Panthers waning, or Texans waxing?

L COLTS Ehh.

W @ Falcons Our D-line contains the mobile Vick. Unless he's in jail.

L DOLPHINS Shoulda won, but a bad call kills us at a crucial moment.

L @ Jaguars The mysterious quietness of the sparse crowd somehow unnerves us.

W TITANS But all the highlight reels are of Young.

L @ Chargers But we beat the spread

L @ Raiders Raider fans break in and steal Texans cups and pain killers. We play very cautiously.

W SAINTS A runback for a touchdown swings it our way.

W @ Browns Cleaveland rocks, but not today.

L @ Titans But all the highlight reels are of Young.

W BUCCANEERS

L BRONCOS Kubiak hasn't quite outmastered the (former) master. Yet.

W @ Colts With nothing on the line, Colts sit out some starters.

W JAGUARS Not used to crowd noise, Jags look confused.



Texans 9-7



I still think this is about right.

nfl-brit
08-26-2007, 08:46 PM
I think we'll manage 8-8. I'm optimistic for the season and looking forward to it. Roll on the 09th!

:fans:

utahmark
08-26-2007, 09:27 PM
10 and 6 wild card. we lose in the first round.

unless salaam goes down. if he goes down we win 8. if we had spencer we would win 11 or 12.

DocBar
08-26-2007, 09:31 PM
After last nights impressive performance, I'm really getting enthusiastic about this coming season. I REALLY think we have a legitimate chance at the playoffs and being the next Chargers or Saints Cinderella team. The Colts, Chargers, Saints and Broncos are, BY FAR, our toughest competition. Even if we lose both games to the Colts and split with the Jags and Tacks ( I think we could easily sweep both), we're looking at 8-8. If we can play like we did last nite, I see us splitting with the Colts and maybe upsetting one of the other elite teams we face this year. I see a solid 9-7 or 10-6 season and a chance at a Wild Card berth.

rickyb
12-14-2007, 09:12 PM
bump.

it's interesting to go and look at how the world looked in july, and how it looks now.

to quote a coach, for some...maybe the Texans are who we thought they were? :)