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Second Honeymoon
06-05-2007, 07:11 PM
Aikman was just on Sportscenter and said that Matt Schaub and Thomas Jones were the 2 best offseason moves in the NFL.

"I'm surprised that Atlanta let him go"
"Now him going to Houston. It will be interesting to follow his career. I think he is going to play very well."

OT - he also said that the Cowboys may take a few steps back.

Aikman is wicked smart and for him to give Schaub props made me smile. Love em or hate em, gotta respect the rings.

Double Barrel
06-05-2007, 07:21 PM
I've never been a Cowboys fan, but I've always like Aikman.

Cool to hear his positive thoughts on the Schaub deal. Hopefully time will prove him right!

FirstTexansFan
06-05-2007, 08:33 PM
Gotta agree with Double Barrel, never disliked Aikman, really can't say I ever disliked any of their players. It's their FANS :) And anyone that can love Lizzard Skin as their owner has to be playing with just a few cards short of a full deck. I was telling my uncle the other day (Lifetime, fanatical Cowboys fan), the only thing you can thank 'Ol Lizzard Skin for is for firing Tom Landry, and Jimmy Johnson LOL

HOU-TEX
06-06-2007, 10:26 AM
Aikman's was a very good QB. It just pizzes me off that he was playing for Dallas. My wife always had a thing for him too. I used to always tell her he was a 'switch hitter' (if you know what I mean). Needless to say, I got the 'you ain't gettin any' look quite often.:crutch:

Texan_Bill
06-06-2007, 04:24 PM
While I certainly hope that's the case, and will most definitely support Schaub, I can't make that leap just yet... Aikman may have had one too many concussions - but again, I hope he is dead on...

Texans Horror
06-06-2007, 09:47 PM
I know having the approval of a former Cowboy will make a lot of Texans feel better. Me, meh. It's June. Lot of talk. How much is worth more than spit in a bucket?

HoustonFrog
06-06-2007, 10:05 PM
Growing up in Ft. Worth and being a huge Cowboy fan I'd like to say that I pride myself on not being a jerk and being more of a football fan in general. I moved here in 93 and am a Texans fan too. This is the board I come to. Overall, I think Aikman was pure class an dwork ethic and to hear him say that is a great thing. I think he is one announcer that isn't afraid to critique and who has incredible football knowledge. I'm really fired up to see what we can do this year.

junior
06-07-2007, 05:18 AM
funny how he says good things and he was always a good player and never disliked him but if he said it was a horrible move then it would be stupid ass cowgirl player doesnt know crap. hes a cowboy so me personally i dont care what he thinks but i hope hes right. i never respect or like a cowboys player its just the way it is for me. just football fun nothing personal.

PapaL
06-07-2007, 06:44 AM
[Cheap shot]
Anyone stop to think that maybe its the concussions and migrains talking?
[/Cheap shot]

Silver Oak
06-07-2007, 08:41 AM
even a cowboy hater like me still had respect for players like Staubach, R. White, E. Smith, and Aikman.

it's the majority of the players from that team that I intensely dislike...Irvin, Sanders, Newton. Assclowns like those guys would be peddling crack if not for their football skills.

back on topic....I hope Troy is right!

Kaiser Toro
06-07-2007, 09:15 AM
it's the majority of the players from that team that I intensely dislike...Irvin, Sanders, Newton. Assclowns like those guys would be peddling crack if not for their football skills.

To be equitable, Mark Stepnoski was the President of NORML.

The Pencil Neck
06-07-2007, 09:56 AM
funny how he says good things and he was always a good player and never disliked him but if he said it was a horrible move then it would be stupid ass cowgirl player doesnt know crap. hes a cowboy so me personally i dont care what he thinks but i hope hes right. i never respect or like a cowboys player its just the way it is for me. just football fun nothing personal.

Didn't you get the memo?

If someone says good things about us, then they know our team and they know what they're talking about.

If someone actually gives a laundry list of our strengths and weaknesses that agrees with our assessment of our strengths and weaknesses, then they're an objective and informed observer.

If someone says something bad about our team that we don't agree with or if they just say the same old bad things that everyone else says, then they're just part of the herd.

I haven't been on many different team's websites but I'd be pretty shocked if this was unusual behavior.

HoustonFrog
06-07-2007, 10:09 AM
funny how he says good things and he was always a good player and never disliked him but if he said it was a horrible move then it would be stupid ass cowgirl player doesnt know crap. hes a cowboy so me personally i dont care what he thinks but i hope hes right. i never respect or like a cowboys player its just the way it is for me. just football fun nothing personal.

The deal with Aikman though is that, as an announcer, he hasn't been afraid to throw the Cowboys under the bus. Its not like he sits there and says they are doing everything right. He seems pretty unbiased.

As for the Cowboys team from back then,,it is actually the opposite of what most people think and a lame few ruined it for the many good guys.

real
06-07-2007, 10:11 AM
I'm not sure why Aikman would pick the lowly Texans and put his reputation on the line just for the hell of it....

Wait a minute, here's a thought....

Maybe he actually believes what he said was true....

You can't satisfy everybody, so you're better off trying to please nobody...

Just about every year up until this point a vast majority of fans complained about the media always dogging the Texans...It's kind of surprising now, that once we do start getting positive comments, the fans dismiss them as chatter....

Then again it's not all that surprising because I've noticed that most posters who reject positive comments about Schaub and the team were avid Carr supporters, or didn't think he was 'that bad'...but keep up the negativity...looks good on ya'...

Second Honeymoon
06-07-2007, 10:18 AM
To be equitable, Mark Stepnoski was the President of NORML.

and that is a good thing.....

SheTexan
06-07-2007, 10:25 AM
I'm not sure why Aikman would pick the lowly Texans and put his reputation on the line just for the hell of it....

Wait a minute, here's a thought....

Maybe he actually believes what he said was true....

You can't satisfy everybody, so you're better off trying to please nobody...

Just about every year up until this point a vast majority of fans complained about the media always dogging the Texans...It's kind of surprising now, that once we do start getting positive comments, the fans dismiss them as chatter....

Then again it's not all that surprising because I've noticed that most posters who reject positive comments about Schaub and the team were avid Carr supporters, or didn't think he was 'that bad'...but keep up the negativity...looks good on ya'...

Sometimes a fan needs to look in his own backyard before hosing someone elses! JMO!

Double Barrel
06-07-2007, 11:17 AM
I'm not sure why Aikman would pick the lowly Texans and put his reputation on the line just for the hell of it....

Wait a minute, here's a thought....

Maybe he actually believes what he said was true....


Good point.

Now there's a novel idea...a sports analysis that was born from actually thinking instead of following the herd of "expert opinions".

I could care less who Aikman played for, and the fact that he's a HoF QB with three championship rings should allow us the opportunity to respect his opinion. I'd feel the same way even if his analysis was negative on Schaub.

And TA is not being influenced by the 2006 NFL Draft. That's a breath of fresh air in and of itself, IMO.

Specnatz
06-07-2007, 11:53 AM
Didn't you get the memo?

If someone says good things about us, then they know our team and they know what they're talking about.

If someone actually gives a laundry list of our strengths and weaknesses that agrees with our assessment of our strengths and weaknesses, then they're an objective and informed observer.
If someone says something bad about our team that we don't agree with or if they just say the same old bad things that everyone else says, then they're just part of the herd.

I haven't been on many different team's websites but I'd be pretty shocked if this was unusual behavior.

The point is a lot out there are not doing that. They repeat the same thing over and over again .. the OL. If they say yes the OL improved some towards the OL towards the end of last season but it still needs more improvement, would be fine by most. Or a could pass rush which the Texans have not had would help the secondary which is suspect would be fine, but no all they mention is the OL. They fail to discuss all the positions just keep mentioning the OL. All we as fans have wanted was a fair shake and not the same dribble rehashed, without any real analysis.

HoustonFrog
06-07-2007, 11:59 AM
The point is a lot out there are not doing that. They repeat the same thing over and over again .. the OL. If they say yes the OL improved some towards the OL towards the end of last season but it still needs more improvement, would be fine by most. Or a could pass rush which the Texans have not had would help the secondary which is suspect would be fine, but no all they mention is the OL. They fail to discuss all the positions just keep mentioning the OL. All we as fans have wanted was a fair shake and not the same dribble rehashed, without any real analysis.

That is the one area where I'll agree. Plus I think you need to look at who the words are coming from. We have all already discussed why Aikman should be a respectable opinion. The OL rhetoric though is lazy reporting in some cases. Bloggers, people outside of Houston who have seen 3 Texan games in their life, etc, etc are the ones who trot out the O-line thing without studying the tape.

Mr teX
06-07-2007, 12:59 PM
Didn't you get the memo?

If someone says good things about us, then they know our team and they know what they're talking about.

If someone actually gives a laundry list of our strengths and weaknesses that agrees with our assessment of our strengths and weaknesses, then they're an objective and informed observer.

If someone says something bad about our team that we don't agree with or if they just say the same old bad things that everyone else says, then they're just part of the herd.

I haven't been on many different team's websites but I'd be pretty shocked if this was unusual behavior.

Classic!

Specnatz
06-07-2007, 02:36 PM
I am glad some of y'all could read my post, because that has to be the worst written response I have ever done. Of course I am at work and typed that extremely fast.

My apologies for a very poorly written post.

Second Honeymoon
06-07-2007, 02:48 PM
The point is a lot out there are not doing that. They repeat the same thing over and over again .. the OL. If they say yes the OL improved some towards the OL towards the end of last season but it still needs more improvement, would be fine by most. Or a could pass rush which the Texans have not had would help the secondary which is suspect would be fine, but no all they mention is the OL. They fail to discuss all the positions just keep mentioning the OL. All we as fans have wanted was a fair shake and not the same dribble rehashed, without any real analysis.

i understood you just fine and couldn't agree more. your sick of the generic 'LOL....texans OL is teh suxxorz' drivel that gets run ad nauseum.

you just want insightful criticism and analysis of our team. it's obvious that no one employed by ESPN even takes the time to watch the Texans much less analyze them. After all.....we passed on Jesus In Cleats himself, Reggie Bush. They had Okoye going to the Redskins yet chastise us for drafting Okoye at #10 and 'neglecting' the drafting of an LT....like we could just snap our fingers and spontaneously synthesize an OT out of thin air at #10..Until we win, nothing will change with those employed by ESPN.

I was always one of the people who said that ESPN really didn't have an axe to grind but after hearing McShay and Kiper contradict their own analysis in order to slam the Texans, it was quite obvious. I can't wait to get NFLN because then I can cut ESPN out of my life altogether...after all, I am not a fan of the Red Sox or Yankees so I think I can make do without them.

I never thought I would pine for the days of CNN/SI.

The Pencil Neck
06-07-2007, 03:06 PM
The point is a lot out there are not doing that. They repeat the same thing over and over again .. the OL. If they say yes the OL improved some towards the OL towards the end of last season but it still needs more improvement, would be fine by most. Or a could pass rush which the Texans have not had would help the secondary which is suspect would be fine, but no all they mention is the OL. They fail to discuss all the positions just keep mentioning the OL. All we as fans have wanted was a fair shake and not the same dribble rehashed, without any real analysis.

Well, just to take the opposing side, as great as that Baldinger breakdown was, someone could easliy create a piece of tape showing our offensive line making mistake after mistake. In the Raider game, there's a pretty bad play where the Raiders run a fairly simple stunt and the right side of our line got totally befuddled and almost got DC killed.

The public-at-large made a decision a long time ago about what our problem is and they haven't seen us make any big moves to fix it. We haven't drafted a lineman in the first round. We haven't signed any of the big name OL free agents. Therefore, we still have the problem.

Until we're a good enough team to warrant more attention than it takes to rub two brain cells together, no one's going to look more closely at us. Our problem might not be the line. Our problems might not have been solved by Reggie Bush or Vince Young, but until we start winning, everyone is going to bring those things up as our issues.

As much as it irritates some of us Texan fans.

real
06-07-2007, 03:13 PM
In the Raider game, there's a pretty bad play where the Raiders run a fairly simple stunt and the right side of our line got totally befuddled and almost got DC killed.


Yeah, what was that....Eric Winston's 4th game ?

I think you are missing the point. They already dog the line.

Now that we've gotten a few positive comments about our team, we have some (David Carr) Fans almost wanting them to dog the line more ?

I mean, what exactly are you guys complaining about? Positive comments ? Did you like it better when 'analyst' just spewed the same "the Texans problem is the O-line" verbage? And since they didn't do 'anything to fix it' they will suck again ?

I'm just a little confused....

Wait, no I'm not....

real
06-07-2007, 03:16 PM
I'll go ahead and say it and stop beating around the bush...

There are some 'fans' here that want the O-line and Schaub to look terrible just so that they can pump their chest and stroke their ego's...

Goldensilence
06-07-2007, 03:35 PM
I think what Troy said is pretty on tap. there'sa difference between someone who gets paid to talk about the game and someone who has been there and sheds some insight.

Did Troy call the cowboys game this year? I didn't get to watch it b/c of work. It's quite possible he's sitting there watching the game breaking it down in his mind and seeing things Carr and the line didn't. Afterall he did get to play behind one of the best lines ever.

I believe i am starting to come around to the thought that we might see quite a different story this year with our offensive line and production in general. Hopefully we won't have the injury bug hit us as hard this year.

If our defense carries over from what they were acheiving later in the year and Amobi helps with a push up the middle we could be a top ten D. If Schaub shows up and plays well we could suprise a lot of people.

My hope is that we are one of those teams where people say....well if you want to play a defensive game they'll match you. If you want a shoot out they can do that too. They're just such a balanced team.

The Pencil Neck
06-07-2007, 03:42 PM
Yeah, what was that....Eric Winston's 4th game ?

I think you are missing the point. They already dog the line.

Now that we've gotten a few positive comments about our team, we have some (David Carr) Fans almost wanting them to dog the line more ?

I mean, what exactly are you guys complaining about? Positive comments ? Did you like it better when 'analyst' just spewed the same "the Texans problem is the O-line" verbage? And since they didn't do 'anything to fix it' they will suck again ?

I'm just a little confused....

Wait, no I'm not....

First, I think you're missing my point. Everyone who praises the Texans and their offseason moves isn't smarter than everyone else. And everyone who doesn't praise the Texans and their offseason moves are dumber than everyone else. But we Texan fans are going to react to the attention as though that were the case.

Someone could put together tape that "proves" that our line really is the problem. I don't agree with that assessment but someone could do that. At this point, no one is bothering to do that because most people agree that our o-line is the problem so they don't have to prove it and because we're not showing them anything to make them re-evaluate their opinions of us.

Secondly, yes, you are confused. You've confused me with the other side. I'm just trying to provide an objective view on how people react to these reports. I'm an ABC and you're confusing me with Caddy. How weird is that?

Granted, this is an argument that Carr Lovers like Caddy SHOULD have been making but I'm not putting it out there for the same reasons.

I just don't think that we're unbiased judges of a particular talking head's abilities... for the reasons I listed in the post about different opinions.

Honoring Earl 34
06-07-2007, 03:54 PM
I'll go ahead and say it and stop beating around the bush...

There are some 'fans' here that want the O-line and Schaub to look terrible just so that they can pump their chest and stroke their ego's...

If it's not Schaub then it's not Carr either . I guess then it's a hung jury .

I still think that the offense will be better ... how much we'll see .

The Pencil Neck
06-07-2007, 04:04 PM
I'll go ahead and say it and stop beating around the bush...

There are some 'fans' here that want the O-line and Schaub to look terrible just so that they can pump their chest and stroke their ego's...

I think you're right. I think some of the old Carr fans are hoping that Schaub and the o-line crash and burn.

On the flip side, if I'm totally honest, I don't particularly want DC to go to the Panthers and become the next Brett Favre. If DC does make it to the field, I expect him to be the same DC we had here the past couple of years and I want him to play that way, too. Maybe I'm not a good person for that, but if I'm honest, after everything that's been said and all the words that have gone back and forth, I want him to crash and burn. I didn't think I would feel that way but I do.

Just like I didn't want RB or VY to play well because I knew we'd be catching a bunch of crap in the press and here on the board.

real
06-07-2007, 04:04 PM
First, I think you're missing my point. Everyone who praises the Texans and their offseason moves isn't smarter than everyone else. And everyone who doesn't praise the Texans and their offseason moves are dumber than everyone else. But we Texan fans are going to react to the attention as though that were the case. [

Again. You're missing my point. No one here has said, "because Troy said it, it must be true"...You have some here saying they respect his opinion, but I have not seen one single opinion be swayed because of what TA or anyone else has said...

When someone post a thread about someone in the national media saying something positive, most fans come into the thread and just enjoy reading something positive coming from a national prospective instead of the same old "they are going to be terrible again because they didn't adress the line" crap...All stories like this do is make you feel good...they don't sway opinions...that much is obvious...And they damn sure don't prophesize the future...My point is that you have this small group of 'fans' that come into the thread and say "well he doesn't know what he's talking about" or "what does he know"...basically spewing negativity into what is by all accounts a positive situation....

Like I said, most of those select few are by no coincidence the same group that felt like our previous QB was good enough "if only he had more help"...whatever....you can see it you way, and I'll see it mine...

If you think Troy Aikmans opinion is non-relevant...ok....that's really not the point...the point is that it's positive news about 'our' team, and we have fans that seem to get angry, or disgruntled when they read it...that's awfully strange to me...

Someone could put together tape that "proves" that our line really is the problem.

That's really not relevant. YOu can put together tapes of any teams O-line and find a bunch of busted plays. The point is that for the FIRST time people are actually showing that it wasn't ALL on the line as previously thought to be common knowledge. I don't know how you don't see that. If someone accuses you of cheating on your wife with a secretary all the time but a tape surfaces showing you and the secretary just running to Office Depot for some staples and then heading back to the office, would you not feel that was somewhat significant ? or atleast worth a mention ? No it doesn't prove that you're not a cheater, but it atleast gives you some of your credibility back...

These National figures that show positives about the Texans are 'giving us some of our credibility back, or atleast giving the line a little more credibility'...of course if you think it was their fault that David is gone and they never did anything right, ya' probably think they don't deserve that credibility, therefore you get upset, which leads you to come into the thread trying to discount that opinion....

real
06-07-2007, 04:10 PM
I think you're right. I think some of the old Carr fans are hoping that Schaub and the o-line crash and burn.

On the flip side, if I'm totally honest, I don't particularly want DC to go to the Panthers and become the next Brett Favre. If DC does make it to the field, I expect him to be the same DC we had here the past couple of years and I want him to play that way, too. Maybe I'm not a good person for that, but if I'm honest, after everything that's been said and all the words that have gone back and forth, I want him to crash and burn. I didn't think I would feel that way but I do.

Just like I didn't want RB or VY to play well because I knew we'd be catching a bunch of crap in the press and here on the board.

I don't like to categorize people (even though I just did), but that's fairly normal....

Personally I don't care if David goes on to become the greatest QB ever. I'd be happy for him and respect what he'd gone through to do that.

Do I think that'll happen ? No.

I really don't wish any individual player to do bad though...but if I think that player is not good, I'll say it...

But saying, "I don't want so and so to do good now" or "I hope so-and so is great" without any personal ties to that player is just your pride and ego talking...If you think a player is bad, you think he's bad...If you're wrong just say you were wrong and just enjoy good football...

:texflag:

Ckw
06-07-2007, 04:18 PM
First, I think you're missing my point. Everyone who praises the Texans and their offseason moves isn't smarter than everyone else. And everyone who doesn't praise the Texans and their offseason moves are dumber than everyone else. But we Texan fans are going to react to the attention as though that were the case.

Someone could put together tape that "proves" that our line really is the problem. I don't agree with that assessment but someone could do that. At this point, no one is bothering to do that because most people agree that our o-line is the problem so they don't have to prove it and because we're not showing them anything to make them re-evaluate their opinions of us.

Secondly, yes, you are confused. You've confused me with the other side. I'm just trying to provide an objective view on how people react to these reports. I'm an ABC and you're confusing me with Caddy. How weird is that?

Granted, this is an argument that Carr Lovers like Caddy SHOULD have been making but I'm not putting it out there for the same reasons.

I just don't think that we're unbiased judges of a particular talking head's abilities... for the reasons I listed in the post about different opinions.

It blows me away that this debate still rages on. I mean is it that crazy a notion to say our problem has been twofold? Could it be that we had a bad quarterback as well as a sub-par offensive line?

No, I don't think our OL is as bad as people make it out to be. But at the same time was David as bad as we make him out to be? Is he good? No. I love the direction we are going, and I personally think everyone will see our OL is not as bad as advertised. Perhaps from the beginning, David and our OL were not going to be a very good pair. Man, I can't wait for the season.

:fans:

SheTexan
06-07-2007, 05:16 PM
I think you're right. I think some of the old Carr fans are hoping that Schaub and the o-line crash and burn.

If they do they are not true Texan fans. JMO!! Very few players stay with one team for their entire career. When it's time for them to move on, it's time to cut them loose and let them go.

I wish David well. I will remain friends with his family for many years to come. BUT, when it comes to football, my loyalty lies with the Texans, PERIOD!! I teach my grandkids to never use the word STUPID! BUT, I will use it here. To hope Matt and the OL crash and burn is just plain STUPID!!!

Sideline
06-07-2007, 07:15 PM
I would have to agree here with Aikman as Schaub being the best Off-Season move, he is one player that I personally have kept an eye on since seeing his performances in pre-season and especially against the Patriots.

Now I have been away from the forums for a while so I'm not sure If you will have seen this or not (I'm guessing yes as it was posted on youtube by a fellow poster) but this little piece that was aired on NFL Network sured up the decision for me, highlighting how much better Schaub looks to Carr already.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMd3FdudDH0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMd3FdudDH0)

eriadoc
06-08-2007, 10:19 AM
Matt Schaub processes information like a Pentium 2 chip? Come on, Baldy!! Can we at least have a P3? Maybe an AMD? LOL .......

HoustonFrog
06-08-2007, 10:30 AM
I'll go ahead and say it and stop beating around the bush...

There are some 'fans' here that want the O-line and Schaub to look terrible just so that they can pump their chest and stroke their ego's...

Too true...sadly

dickieb
06-08-2007, 01:10 PM
I would have to agree here with Aikman as Schaub being the best Off-Season move, he is one player that I personally have kept an eye on since seeing his performances in pre-season and especially against the Patriots.

Now I have been away from the forums for a while so I'm not sure If you will have seen this or not (I'm guessing yes as it was posted on youtube by a fellow poster) but this little piece that was aired on NFL Network sured up the decision for me, highlighting how much better Schaub looks to Carr already.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMd3FdudDH0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMd3FdudDH0)

Great post! Thanks for the video link I had not seen that. It really helps to see someone break down video, I have not seen much coverage of Schaub. It looks promising!:texflag:

infantrycak
06-08-2007, 05:54 PM
Totally meaningless trivia for the off-season (pointed out by someone on HT.com). Matt Schaub has 2 more runs over 20 yds on just 24 attempts than Reggie Bush has (0) on 155 rushing attempts.

LOL

PS--probably unsuccessfully prays this doesn't sidetrack the thread into a Bush debate. Fingers crossed, rabbits foot cut off, black cat kicked prior to crossing...

Porky
06-08-2007, 06:49 PM
Totally meaningless trivia for the off-season (pointed out by someone on HT.com). Matt Schaub has 2 more runs over 20 yds on just 24 attempts than Reggie Bush has (0) on 155 rushing attempts.

LOL

PS--probably unsuccessfully prays this doesn't sidetrack the thread into a Bush debate. Fingers crossed, rabbits foot cut off, black cat kicked prior to crossing...

So about that 2006 draft.....:gun:

:whip:

MEGA SWATT
06-10-2007, 12:31 AM
My wife always had a thing for him too. I used to always tell her he was a 'switch hitter' (if you know what I mean). :






I certainly hope that's the case

:splits:

sorry, my delete button went crazy



good to hear "Achemen's" comments:texflag: