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Andre_Johnson80
11-01-2004, 10:35 AM
This team has some talent at RB with DD and JW but neither one of them is a gamebreaking running back. DD did well in his first year as a rookie but this year he hasn't done much to impress me or probably anyone else. He is still owed either 2-3 years on his contract. If any of you watch college football than you would know that there are a couple of big named backs coming up this year and next year. Cedric Benson of Texas is entering the Draft this year and he will be a good one but more important in 2 years Adrian Peterson of OU will be entering and if he gets any better than he is know he will be The Running back in the Draft in 2 years. The teams best bet is to just draft another back within the next two years if DD can't get the job done. Let me know your thoughts... :popcorn:

V Man
11-01-2004, 10:41 AM
One name - Maurice Clarett j/k
He is going to Dallas anyway.

We need to park the Caddy at Reliant Stadium. :twocents:

Andre_Johnson80
11-01-2004, 10:43 AM
One name - Maurice Clarett j/k
He is going to Dallas anyway.

We need to park the Caddy at Reliant Stadium. :twocents:


Thank God your kidding I was like WHAT!!! idonno: Benson might go late in the draft this year like all the back did last draft if so we might be able to pick a good one up.

phan1
11-01-2004, 02:28 PM
A RB in the draft would be an option, but I would prefer depth on our defense or even a solid O-lineman. DD, Wells, and Hollings can get the job done IMO.

STEEL BLUE TEXANS
11-01-2004, 02:38 PM
i'd prefer we draft mainly defense again next year too, but if Ronnie Brown is available in the 2nd round, we would be foolish to pass on him. either that or draft Kay Jay Harris somewhere in the mid-rounds. JMO though.

Hervoyel
11-01-2004, 02:52 PM
I think that by the end of the season the running game will come into it's own here and the desire for a big name franchise back will be pretty low on the list unless one falls to us.

Davis is going to get it going over the second half of the season once the line settles into it's run blocking scheme. Then he'll look like Davis of last season on a more regular basis and people will again be talking "Triplets" (whether it's really merited or not).

This is just a hiccup on the offensive side guys. The run blocking scheme and offensive line was really the only major thing we tinkered with this year on offense. We should be happy that they've gelled enough to pass protect well (mostly) at this point.

astrofan
11-01-2004, 03:00 PM
I hate Oklahoma, but every week I wish the kid from Palestine winds up in Houston. If you don't watch OU, you owe it to youself to check Peterson out

TexansTrueFan
11-01-2004, 03:10 PM
When i played football in huntsville we had to play agianst him in palestine and the guy is AWESOME i can brag and say i was run over by him once ,,,,i mean totally flatened out "it hurt".

Andre_Johnson80
11-01-2004, 05:47 PM
Adrian Peterson is the man, He is going to be a game break once hes in the big time. I Wouldn't mind drafting Defense again this year but if the running attack doesn't become stronger we need a better back. DD is good at times but he needs to be more consitant. If we had a running attack everyone feared than AJ would have 10 receps a game and DC would have 3Tds a game. We have a good passing attack we just need a more punishing run game.

Grid
11-01-2004, 06:13 PM
eh.. I dont see us drafting RB.. not in the first 3 rounds anyway.

Fact of the matter is that RB is one of the most risky positions to draft. a 1st round RB has as much chance of being a star as a 4th or 5th round RB.. for proof of that, look at D. Davis, Mewelde Moore, Rubin Droughns, Clinton Portis

Cedric Benson seems great.. but honestly if we are going to draft a back.. id like to see us pick up a Jerome Bettis type of back. Someone huge, who can take a beating and make good yardage every time. With the way we like to run the ball.. someone who can take a beating.. and who can power forward for 4 yards consistently would be just fine.. especially when we have such a great WR corp and QB. We dont need a star, we need a work horse.

wags
11-01-2004, 07:29 PM
Fact of the matter is that RB is one of the most risky positions to draft. a 1st round RB has as much chance of being a star as a 4th or 5th round RB.. for proof of that, look at D. Davis, Mewelde Moore, Rubin Droughns, Clinton Portis

You left out Terrell Davis(6th) and Priest Holmes (undrafted). Since we have two third round picks, I could see us using a second or third on a RB.

georgewashington
11-01-2004, 07:41 PM
They need lineman, say what they want about a new blocking scheme, but every year something is bad, whether its carr getting sacked a hundred times one year, or bad run blocking the next. I go with a big name lineman at least in second round. 1st round i say either go with someone at DT if there are any that are that good, otherwise i go with another DB, get another shut down corner or even a killer safety thats gonna lay some heavy wood on anyone crossing the middle or going deep. A player like john lynch would be nice, scare the receivers and gives another run stopper to go with THE MAN SHARPER.

BuffSoldier
11-01-2004, 07:57 PM
Most mock drafts see us going either Marcus Spears or OT Alex Barren in the first round.

travfrancis
11-01-2004, 08:05 PM
peterson can not enter the draft this year, or next year for that matter

you have to be 3 years removed from high school to be eligible for the draft

texan279
11-01-2004, 08:07 PM
How bout if we need a RB at the end of the season we look to free agency? idonno:

Corrosion
11-01-2004, 08:16 PM
The Texans have few needs outside D-line depth and a Starting Quality back . Getting D-lineman is a little easier than finding a "Franchise"type back . If I were GM I'd take a back Early in the draft and possibly pick up a d-lineman in the mid rounds or via free-agency .
Teams just dont let those type of backs get away due to free agency and to trade for that same kind of player would have a substantial cost either in draft picks or players at other positions .The fact linemen demand so much cash in free agency forces teams hands at those positions (just look at the Titanics in this years free agent perion , they lost Kearse and Smith because they couldnt afford them) .
Running backs also tend to have shorter carreer's overall , there are exceptions to this rule but in general they may have 3-5 years at the top of their games.
The starters on the D and O lines are pretty solid players , the glaring weakness of the Texans is production in the running game . they have 174 carries and 541 yards from their three backs . Thats an avg of 3.1 yards and just good enough to keep the opposing defenses honest . Overall they are 25th in rushing offense with an avg of 99.9 yards per game (counting QB scrambles and other non RB plays) .
Im not sure if the problems in the running game stem from the new zone blocking scheme , injury or just simply personel related . One way or another this is the one facet of the Texans game that must improve dramaticly for them to take the next step .

I do believe the Texans are in a position to take BPA where ever they are in the draft and dont have to draft out of pure need . This years draft for the Texans will be interesting to say the least.


:popcorn:

texan279
11-01-2004, 08:21 PM
Edgerrin James will be a free agent after this season.

georgewashington
11-01-2004, 08:24 PM
James is not going to be a Texan. Besides we dont need to pay that much for a back with Carr and the Receivers we have. All they need is a consistent running game to keep people honest for the receivers. No need to spend 10 million a year on someone

Corrosion
11-01-2004, 08:32 PM
Edgerrin James will be a free agent after this season.


The Edge wont be leaving Indy , you can forget it :BananaWav

STEEL BLUE TEXANS
11-01-2004, 08:38 PM
Edge will be playing in Miami next season.

texan279
11-01-2004, 08:49 PM
The Edge wont be leaving Indy , you can forget it

How do you figure? He already said he wants to play in Miami and there is no way Indy can afford to keep Peyton, James, and Harrison who will also be a free agent next year.

Bill's/TexanFan
11-01-2004, 09:11 PM
This team has some talent at RB with DD and JW but neither one of them is a gamebreaking running back. DD did well in his first year as a rookie but this year he hasn't done much to impress me or probably anyone else. He is still owed either 2-3 years on his contract. If any of you watch college football than you would know that there are a couple of big named backs coming up this year and next year. Cedric Benson of Texas is entering the Draft this year and he will be a good one but more important in 2 years Adrian Peterson of OU will be entering and if he gets any better than he is know he will be The Running back in the Draft in 2 years. The teams best bet is to just draft another back within the next two years if DD can't get the job done. Let me know your thoughts... :popcorn:

Just keep in mind that in the 2002 draft Clinton Portis was sitting there for us with that 33 selection! Not selecting him bothered me then and it bothers me now! :mad:

Corrosion
11-01-2004, 10:43 PM
You guy's may be right about Edgerrin goin to Miami but the Dolts could still slap the franchise tag on him meaning he would stay at least one more year at an avg of the top five paid players at his positions salaries ( that would probably be less than his asking price).
I think he's on the downside of his carreer . He may have a couple productive years left but is most likely gonna ask for a 6+ year deal , then end up like Eddie George was at the begining of this season , over paid and over the hill (a couple seasons from now) .
The Dolts are gonne have cap problems for as far as the eye can see with Peytons big contract ..... they did it to themselves . Those type of contracts in a league with a cap are like wearing lead boots .
As far as playing in Miami , the dolphins are in sad shape , not so sure I'd leave a team with a chance (although the window of opportinity may be closing FAST) to win it all for a cellar dwellar (Miami will be bad for a couple seasons , they have more problems than one player can fix)

Vinny
11-01-2004, 10:45 PM
Just keep in mind that in the 2002 draft Clinton Portis was sitting there for us with that 33 selection! Not selecting him bothered me then and it bothers me now! :mad:31 other teams passed him too. Most of them are over it by now. You really ought to let go one of these years. You post this comment about every 10 posts it seems.

eriadoc
11-01-2004, 10:53 PM
I don't see it happening, but Shaun Alexander is a free agent after this season, and it would be nice to have a back with that body type, not to mention skill set.

Marcus
11-01-2004, 10:57 PM
If any of you watch college football than you would know that there are a couple of big named backs coming up this year and next year. Cedric Benson of Texas is entering the Draft this year and he will be a good one but more important in 2 years Adrian Peterson of OU will be entering and if he gets any better than he is know he will be The Running back in the Draft in 2 years. The teams best bet is to just draft another back within the next two years if DD can't get the job done. Let me know your thoughts... :popcorn:

Well. with Peterson, you'd have to have the TOP pick in the draft. With Benson, he'd probably be one of the top 10 picks in the draft.

Do you plan on the Texans being that bad of a football team to have that high of a pick? FORGET IT! The Texans will probably in the 20th pick or higher range this season, and even higher next season, and those players you mentioned will be long gone.

keyfro
11-02-2004, 12:57 AM
well here's a thought what about travis henry...with mcgahee taking control of that team you know henry will be trade bait if the upcoming draft...but i don't know if i take a chance on a guy who has yet to stay healthy through a whole season...so maybe a 3rd round pick for him...but as for the draft i do see us drafting a back on the first day...the running game is so cretical for capers offense...i've yet to hear anyone mention cadillac williams...he's a sure first rounder if you ask me...way better than benson...but 3rd round material would be in jj arrington of cal and vernon morency(not sure on the spelling) from osu...both very capiable backs both excellent speed and size

Bill's/TexanFan
11-02-2004, 07:31 AM
31 other teams passed him too. Most of them are over it by now. You really ought to let go one of these years. You post this comment about every 10 posts it seems.

The fact that other teams in the NFL passed on Portis for some strange reason does not make me feel much better! I only care who WE missed out on! As for me mentioning it before...yep, I guilty of that because to me it's a big deal when opportunity is there and we blinked! Reality is sometimes harsh and the reality is we stepped over a factor back like Portis to select a "nice" WR like Gaffney.

TheTim5125
11-02-2004, 08:07 AM
We def. need to beef up the O-line. If we can get them to be solid we can put anyone at runnning back and it wouldn't matter. Look at Denver they have like 9 RB's on the roster( exagerating(spelling)) and the all have success with that offense.

Andre_Johnson80
11-02-2004, 09:17 AM
well here's a thought what about travis henry...with mcgahee taking control of that team you know henry will be trade bait if the upcoming draft...but i don't know if i take a chance on a guy who has yet to stay healthy through a whole season...so maybe a 3rd round pick for him...but as for the draft i do see us drafting a back on the first day...the running game is so cretical for capers offense...i've yet to hear anyone mention cadillac williams...he's a sure first rounder if you ask me...way better than benson...but 3rd round material would be in jj arrington of cal and vernon morency(not sure on the spelling) from osu...both very capiable backs both excellent speed and size

Vernon or Cadillac would both be very good picks if you can find them in the 3rd round, but back 2 years ago I didn't expect Lee Suggs and Chris Brown to still be available in the 3rd and 4th round but they where and look at them, they where steals.. Your right, I guess we should wait till the third round since we have two thirds....Unless DD starts to get on a roll then we can just forget about all of this.

Blake
11-02-2004, 10:54 AM
Well. with Peterson, you'd have to have the TOP pick in the draft. With Benson, he'd probably be one of the top 10 picks in the draft.


You must remember that The #1 rated RB (Jackson) went 24th last draft. And the year before that it was #23 with Willis.

We CAN get the #1 RB with our first pick. Even #2 and #3 arent bad picks.

#1 Benson
#2 Williams
#3 Brown
#4 J.J. Arrington, RB, California (SR)
#5 Vernand Morency, RB, Oklahoma St. (JR)

#3-#5 are second round picks though.

Andre_Johnson80
11-02-2004, 11:27 AM
It will be a interesting Draft when the time comes..

Fiddy
11-02-2004, 04:42 PM
It will be a interesting Draft when the time comes..I am not in a hurry to get to the draft though...

Andre_Johnson80
11-02-2004, 05:07 PM
I am not in a hurry to get to the draft though...


Me either!! 2004-2005 SB champs

STEEL BLUE TEXANS
11-02-2004, 05:13 PM
Ronnie Brown is our guy if he makes it to the 2nd round.

Andre_Johnson80
11-02-2004, 05:17 PM
Lets hope RBs go late in the draft again this year

Corrosion
11-02-2004, 07:07 PM
The fact that other teams in the NFL passed on Portis for some strange reason does not make me feel much better! I only care who WE missed out on! As for me mentioning it before...yep, I guilty of that because to me it's a big deal when opportunity is there and we blinked! Reality is sometimes harsh and the reality is we stepped over a factor back like Portis to select a "nice" WR like Gaffney.



Hind Sight is 20/20 .
There are things we all wish we could go back and change ..... unfortunately we cant . :cool:

Lets Learn from our mistakes and focus on the future . :thumbup

Vinny
11-02-2004, 07:19 PM
There are hundreds of NFL stars picked in round 2 or 3, or 4 or 5, 6 or 7th rounds that teams passed on over the years that teams would go back and take if they had to do it over. Besides if you think Portis's production has declined at Washington what do you think it would have looked like our first season? It's not like we were a mature team and was one key back away from contention. We needed to fill and entire NFL roster and 22 starting positions. It's not like we have had bad drafts. I can criticize all 32 teams drafts by cherry picking names later and playing the shoulda, woulda, coulda game. There is no team that has an ideal draft every year. None. To take one pick and drone on endlessly about how big a mistake it was is ridiculous. Heck, it's been THREE years! Too bad it set this franchise and the other 30 teams that passed him back nearly 5 years. The entire NFL may not be able to overcome this. The Broncos have won all those Super Bowls with Portis and the Skins are well on their way to the crown because Clinton Portis is their feature back. The horror of passing on Portis continues to haunt us as well as the Browns, Lions, Patriots, Bills, Eagles, and...

ledzeppelin229
11-02-2004, 07:27 PM
If we get Ronnie Brown in the draft I will be a happy guy. But I don't see him making it out of the first round, and since we're looking D it seems sort of unlikely.

Don't forget people were predicting Willis for our #3 AJ pick until he blew out his knee. That's the only reason he fell that far. (Would have been farther if the Bills hadn't gambled)

Andre_Johnson80
11-03-2004, 09:08 AM
If we get Ronnie Brown in the draft I will be a happy guy. But I don't see him making it out of the first round, and since we're looking D it seems sort of unlikely.

Don't forget people were predicting Willis for our #3 AJ pick until he blew out his knee. That's the only reason he fell that far. (Would have been farther if the Bills hadn't gambled)

Yeah but look at Willis Now, He is a good strong runner and his stiff arm puts people on the ground every game. I have always been a bills fan but I have always had much respect for this young Texans team and always will. The RB situation in Buffalo leaves me to believe Travis Henry will be traded for a draft pick at seasons end. Buffalo has the worst Oline in the game and for willis to come in and on both of his starts to post 100 yrd games is special. I was glad to see him go to buffalo in the draft but, I wanted to move up to get either AJ or Terrell suggs which I knew would never happen. AJ was a great pick for the Texans in that draft and I bet David Carr couldn't have been any happier about the pick.

NETexan
11-03-2004, 04:34 PM
well here's a thought what about travis henry...with mcgahee taking control of that team you know henry will be trade bait if the upcoming draft...

Exactly what I was thinking.

I was actually looking at Carolina as another team who has two potential star backs splitting time, even though it has a lot to do with injuries. Stephan Davis is getting older, but still has plenty to offer to any team, and DeShaun Foster has flashed some evidence that he could one day be a team's anchor in the backfield.

Not ready to give up on DD though. He still looks good catching passes out of the backfield and has been nicked up a little bit. Hopefully it turn it on and this won't be as big an issue come the offseason.

Bill's/TexanFan
11-03-2004, 07:08 PM
Hind Sight is 20/20 .
There are things we all wish we could go back and change ..... unfortunately we cant . :cool:

Lets Learn from our mistakes and focus on the future . :thumbup

As for hind site being 20/20 there were some of us who thought on draft day 2002 it was 20/20 THEN as far as the Texan's selecting Clinton Portis! At the time some fan were asking what the heck do you know....adding that Charley Casserly & Company knew what they were doing. Also, some said....let's wait and see how it turns out. And now, two years later, people like yourself are saying...."let's learn from our mistakes and focus on the future." In layman terms....let's not discuss it! That's how G.M's keep their jobs...they are seldom held accountable for their mistakes.
In Buffalo some fan's are now starting to become "uneasy" with the play of ORT Mike Williams, U. Texas. Williams was the 4th player selected in the entire draft and thusfar his play has been average at best. When the heat was turned up on GM Tom Donahoe for selecting Williams one fan rushed to Donahoes defense by asking...."How was Tom to know that Mike Williams couldn't play?" All I could do was idonno:

BornOrange
11-03-2004, 08:47 PM
I heard Richard Justice on 610am this morning talking about the Redskins. He used to cover the Redskins and knows the situation over there pretty well. He says that Gibbs is pretty fed up with Clinton Portis and Sean Taylor, that Portis sleeps during team meetings.

Sometimes a player's production on the field is cancelled out by his negative influence in the locker room.

TexansTrueFan
11-03-2004, 10:44 PM
i say if our defense continues to play like it has the remainder of the year we get Benson coming out of Texas ! He's not only fast but can make people miss with his feet and can over power defensive players as well ! But if we have another Key injury i say we focus on Defense !

Bill's/TexanFan
11-04-2004, 11:47 AM
I heard Richard Justice on 610am this morning talking about the Redskins. He used to cover the Redskins and knows the situation over there pretty well. He says that Gibbs is pretty fed up with Clinton Portis and Sean Taylor, that Portis sleeps during team meetings.

Sometimes a player's production on the field is cancelled out by his negative influence in the locker room.

Whether or not Joe Gibbs is having problems keeping Portis awake I don't know. What I do know is that on game day Clinton seems to be wide awake. Another thing I know is that some people like to point negatives on players in an effort to makes themselves feel better about not drafting the player. Sure, all of us would like to believe that every player in the NFL would stay awake in meetings and give coaches their undivided attention but this is the real world and it's not the case.
You also mentioned "negative influence in the locker room". This is perhaps over-rated expression in sports! Again, fans want to believe that players all love and respect one another.....wrong! In reality, there are players in this league, on the same team, who HATE one another but they are still team-mates and they play as one on Sunday.

beerlover
11-04-2004, 12:28 PM
time for beerlover to pipe in on this topic, we don't need to use our 1st round pick on a RB period. Wells has been a pleasent surprise & looks like a long term fit adding depth & toughness. Dominack is holding onto the football extremely well as of late, he has good hands coming out of the backfield & still possess good footwork with nice cut back ability. Hollings has been the enigma because of health concerns we still don't really know what or how he will be able to contribute in the future.

that being said the Texans are most likely looking for a banger type NFL prototype prospect like Deuce Staley (5-11 220) that for some reason (back-up roll, injured, small school) is not as well known as any of those mentioned as 1st round picks. If the right person is still avaialable late in the 2nd round like Ronnie Brown of Auburn (6-1 225) then MAYBE the Texans would select a RB that high.

NFL Coutdown says-

Strengths: Very good size...Great speed...Excellent receiver out of the backfield...Very strong and runs hard...Has good balance...Displays good vision and hits the hole hard...Can run over defenders or run away from them.
Weaknesses: Never had the opportunity to be the main ball carrier in college...Not real shifty...Has had some minor injuries problems and durability might be a question mark...Not an explosive runner.
Notes: Overshadowed by Cadillac Williams but may in fact be the better pro when all is said and done...One of the best, if not the best, all-around running back prospects in this draft.
- Scott Wright

The Huddle Report says-

Let's just get this straight, right up front. Ronnie Brown is the best running back in this draft. Now stop it. If you are thinking that Cadillac, Benson or even KayĖJay is better, you're wrong. Iím sorry, but I looked at the film. I donít look at the hype; I donít repeat what other people say and speed is not the most important skill of a running back. Ronnie is a bigger version of Curtis Martin on and off the field. Ronnie has great instincts, quickness, balance, burst and receiving skills. He has tackle- breaking strength and good elusiveness. He knows how to be patient and set up his blocks. What I also see on the film is that his teammates have a great respect for him and like him. When he goes to the sidelines, there is always someone to greet him and he always has a smile on his face. He seems to be a great teammate and he and Williams seem to have a true friendship with each other. Ronnie (Burn Them) Brown...he has the speed and strength in the passing and running game to burn the other team on every down.

TexansTrueFan
11-04-2004, 12:37 PM
I say we dont even draft a running back in this draft we seem to be doing fine the way we are now and we could use a litle more depth on the defense, our offense if good enough to win us games we just need to make sure our D is good enough to secure the games dor us ! We draft mailny D this year no RB unless its maybe a late round guy !

El Tejano
11-04-2004, 12:44 PM
i say if our defense continues to play like it has the remainder of the year we get Benson coming out of Texas ! He's not only fast but can make people miss with his feet and can over power defensive players as well ! But if we have another Key injury i say we focus on Defense !
I thought we wanted to cure our fumbling problems.

Meloy
11-04-2004, 03:15 PM
Most mock drafts see us going either Marcus Spears or OT Alex Barren in the first round.
Wow, I can just hear Capers yelling "You screwed up Spears!" and one Marcus Spears would think he was yelling at the other. :hehe:


"You doesn't have to call me Johnson."

TexansTrueFan
11-04-2004, 03:19 PM
I thought we wanted to cure our fumbling problems.

ok ok my mistake well why dont you call up James Allen and talk him into coming back to play for us :woot NOOOOOOOO Just Joking !! I really dont think we will or need to draft a running back in the next draft !

Meloy
11-04-2004, 04:48 PM
I thought the main purpose of a running back in this offense (that is looking more & more like a passing offense) was to direct attention away from receivers? If so, we should IMO look at total yards by the RB. We don't have to have a 100+yds back. We do need someone who can pick up 3to 4 yards (our avg 3.1 over all I think) on 3rd down & short. Davis & Hollings do not fit that. I am not sure if Wells does either.

All 3 seem to do same thing with Davis as the better receiver. I would not spend a 1st round pick on a back unless no quality Dline available @ our "undetermined" pick. With the need for a receiver diminishing & Marcus Coleman signing a 3 year extension, I would go for DT and address a powerback @ lower rounds. I don't agree with any free agent backs mentioned so far. If Benson or Brown were to drop to 2nd, that would make me consider a trade up. I agree that Bensen fumbles a little too much, I wonder what will occur in NFL?

My prediction: keep Hollings & Davis, let Wells go & draft a huge strong back in 3-5th rounds that can grind out 50 to 70 yds a game and convert a couple 3rd downs per game.

Blake
11-04-2004, 04:58 PM
If Benson or Brown were to drop to 2nd, that would make me consider a trade up.

Benson will not drop to round 2. Brown will be a posibility at around 2. But you would have to trade up.

Take the RB in Round 1, as to make sure we get one, instead of thinking he will fall to us, and then address the other needs, with the 2nd round pick, and 2 3rd round picks.

TexansTrueFan
11-04-2004, 09:01 PM
i'll tell ya who is looking very good is Deangilo Williams the RB for memphis fast, very shifty, and breaks a lot of tackles !

Grid
11-04-2004, 09:16 PM
We have a quick, shifty back.. if we are going to get a RB then we need a work horse. A Jerome Bettis, Jamal Lewis type of back. Someone who can take a beating and get dependable yardage, not big yardage.

Bills/Texan fan.. have you considered that maybe you are a fan of the wrong team? honestly.. I dont think ive see ANYONE make THIS MANY POSTS about a draft that happened 3 years ago. If drafting Portis was such a huge deal.. maybe you need to be a Denver fan.. or if you just think Portis is the greatest thing ever to set foot on turf.. maybe you need to be a Washington fan.. but if ya cant handle the fact that we wanted Gaffney over Portis..then you may not want to be a Texan fan.

If there is one thing ive picked up on this team since its inception.. it is that Character is just as important as ability. If the greatest player in the draft has an attitude that we arent sure about.. we will happily settle for the second best player in the draft with a great attitude.

In a league where parity is so abundant.. a good attitude can make all the difference.


NOW.. im not saying Portis had a bad attitude.. but apparently he didnt have the kind of attitude that WE like. Personally, I think picking up Wilfork would have been a great move for us.. but apparently HE didnt have an attitude we liked either. That is fine with me.. if Wilfork becomes a hall of famer, that is fine with me too.. we got our guy in Babin, and im happy to have him. What is keeping you from feeling the same way about Portis and Gaffney?

Corrosion
11-05-2004, 02:26 AM
My prediction: keep Hollings & Davis, let Wells go & draft a huge strong back in 3-5th rounds that can grind out 50 to 70 yds a game and convert a couple 3rd downs per game.


I dont see them letting Wells go , he will make the team on special teams if nothing else . not to mention he's one of the hardest workin guy's on the team . He can do more than just run the ball . Take a look on kick-offs .... who's the first one down there breakin up the wedge .... Its Wells . He's the kind of player Capers likes . (also has the same amount of fumbles in his career as DD does this season ....that would be 4)

If any of the three backs is to go i would think Holings would be the one , he's done practically Nothing , looks doubtful he will do anything this season and he FUMBLES too much .




BTW ..... Clinton Portis is a Redskin ...... get Over It :cool:

Andre_Johnson80
11-05-2004, 09:39 AM
Auburns C williams or Cedric Benson would fit best, a fast smash mouth pick up hard yards back.

TexansTrueFan
11-05-2004, 09:58 AM
yeah i'd like to see us draft Cedric Benson, but i doubt that will happen so if we do draft a back it will problably be a later round,,,like i've already stated Deangilo Williams who plays for Memphis is a very good running back but dont play in one of the top confrences so he dont get much recognition ! Breaks a lot of tacles, has speed and can run people over ! might be a late 3rd rounder maybe 4th !

Andre_Johnson80
11-05-2004, 10:00 AM
yeah i'd like to see us draft Cedric Benson, but i doubt that will happen so if we do draft a back it will problably be a later round,,,like i've already stated Deangilo Williams who plays for Memphis is a very good running back but dont play in one of the top confrences so he dont get much recognition ! Breaks a lot of tacles, has speed and can run people over ! might be a late 3rd rounder maybe 4th !

Than we would have a steal on our hands

keyfro
11-05-2004, 10:03 AM
another person to keep in mind is rudi johnson from cinci...he's an unrestricted free agent after this season...just heard that on espn

Andre_Johnson80
11-05-2004, 10:04 AM
I would love to pick up Cedric benson in this draft. He would free up our recs

TexansTrueFan
11-05-2004, 10:05 AM
exactly,,,I'm trying to figure out a way to get a hold of Charlie C. so i can inform him of this but all i get is his answering machine idonno:

Andre_Johnson80
11-05-2004, 10:09 AM
If DD can't step it up and I know he can than we need to address the RB pos in this years Draft or we can wait 2 more years DD will be a Res FA and we can try and Draft Adrian Peterson but we will need a top 3 pick for him so if anyone can figure out how to make this happen please notify the Texans front office ASAP haha

TexansTrueFan
11-05-2004, 10:26 AM
lol: haha been trying man been trying they always put me on hold and play that soul sothing music its quite annoying !!! But i think D.Davis could still be our running back of the future just having a rough second season start i say we give him one more year as starter cause he still has the talent he's just not utilizing it !

Andre_Johnson80
11-05-2004, 10:55 AM
I think we can give him another year worst case we have to draft a RB next year or the next. I just hope DD isn't a one hit wonder. The the Front office we want the right of Adrain Peterson now.. We will pay him what he wants haha.

TexansTrueFan
11-05-2004, 11:51 AM
haha na i dont thin D.D is a one hit wonder,,,i just think he Jinx himself by saying he was gonna rush for 2,000 yards this season ! And it looks to me that he's trying to hard out there he needs to be patience and wait for his blockers to create holes in the defense !!! See why J.W has been doing better is cause he's not as fast and by the time he gets to the line the holes are already formed while D.D just rockets right up the middle and the blockers havent had time to do anything !

Andre_Johnson80
11-05-2004, 11:55 AM
By next year this zone blocking should be big help in the running game

TexansTrueFan
11-05-2004, 11:58 AM
and in this article that vinny posted on here from Shanihan he even said that in order for a running back to have success in the zone blocking scheme they need to be used to it and have been there for a while !!! In my opinion Davis ran great behind our regular system last season and i dont see why we changed it !

Vinny
11-05-2004, 12:01 PM
and in this article that vinny posted on here from Shanihan he even said that in order for a running back to have success in the zone blocking scheme they need to be used to it and have been there for a while !!! In my opinion Davis ran great behind our regular system last season and i dont see why we changed it !We won 5 games last year and have already won 4 and are in the playoff hunt. What's broken? We have a new Left Tackle, new Left Guard, and new Right Tackle. We only have two starters from last season in their same positions. The Offensive line is one of the hardest things to coordinate in football. The first half of this year is going to be tougher than the last half. They just need some time together.

TexansTrueFan
11-05-2004, 12:05 PM
We won 5 games last year and have already won 4 and are in the playoff hunt. What's broken? We have a new Left Tackle, new Left Guard, and new Right Tackle. We only have two starters from last season in their same positions. The Offensive line is one of the hardest things to coordinate in football. The first half of this year is going to be tougher than the last half. They just need some time together.


Oh no i like the new zone blocking scheme i just think it'll take a while for Davis to get used to it (and the O-Line) but once we start clicking it will be very good for us !!!

Andre_Johnson80
11-05-2004, 12:10 PM
So do we keep faith in DD or change back in a year or two

phan1
11-05-2004, 04:38 PM
eh.. I dont see us drafting RB.. not in the first 3 rounds anyway.

Fact of the matter is that RB is one of the most risky positions to draft. a 1st round RB has as much chance of being a star as a 4th or 5th round RB.. for proof of that, look at D. Davis, Mewelde Moore, Rubin Droughns, Clinton Portis

Cedric Benson seems great.. but honestly if we are going to draft a back.. id like to see us pick up a Jerome Bettis type of back. Someone huge, who can take a beating and make good yardage every time. With the way we like to run the ball.. someone who can take a beating.. and who can power forward for 4 yards consistently would be just fine.. especially when we have such a great WR corp and QB. We dont need a star, we need a work horse.

Ummm... Cedric Benson IS that type of running back. He isn't very fast, but he's as strong as an ox and can really break tackles and fall foward. He's definitely a power back if there is one in the upcoming draft. I'm not sure how good he would be in the NLF though, because 1) he's fumbled a lot this year and 2) he just isn't very fast.

phan1
11-05-2004, 04:40 PM
haha na i dont thin D.D is a one hit wonder,,,i just think he Jinx himself by saying he was gonna rush for 2,000 yards this season ! And it looks to me that he's trying to hard out there he needs to be patience and wait for his blockers to create holes in the defense !!! See why J.W has been doing better is cause he's not as fast and by the time he gets to the line the holes are already formed while D.D just rockets right up the middle and the blockers havent had time to do anything !


AGREE 100%!

phan1
11-05-2004, 04:45 PM
If DD can't step it up and I know he can than we need to address the RB pos in this years Draft or we can wait 2 more years DD will be a Res FA and we can try and Draft Adrian Peterson but we will need a top 3 pick for him so if anyone can figure out how to make this happen please notify the Texans front office ASAP haha

All I know is that it's going to be EXTREMELY difficult to get a back like Peterson. Plus, that's an option 3 more years down the road! Let's think more in the present shall we?

Andre_Johnson80
11-05-2004, 04:58 PM
its just a thought

Corrosion
11-05-2004, 05:31 PM
As for hind site being 20/20 there were some of us who thought on draft day 2002 it was 20/20 THEN as far as the Texan's selecting Clinton Portis! At the time some fan were asking what the heck do you know....adding that Charley Casserly & Company knew what they were doing. Also, some said....let's wait and see how it turns out. And now, two years later, people like yourself are saying...."let's learn from our mistakes and focus on the future." In layman terms....let's not discuss it! That's how G.M's keep their jobs...they are seldom held accountable for their mistakes.
In Buffalo some fan's are now starting to become "uneasy" with the play of ORT Mike Williams, U. Texas. Williams was the 4th player selected in the entire draft and thusfar his play has been average at best. When the heat was turned up on GM Tom Donahoe for selecting Williams one fan rushed to Donahoes defense by asking...."How was Tom to know that Mike Williams couldn't play?" All I could do was idonno:


nice post .....

I was one of those who wanted them to take Portis , so i do understand where you are coming from . Wasnt that pick used on Gaffney ? Well at least we got a servicable player out of it .

Would i like Portis now , sure i would , his 3.9 avg would be real nice .
But would he have done anything at all with the Texans O-line the two seasons ? I doubt it.

Its just one of those subjects that has been beaten like a dead horse . He may have a Hall of Fame type career and we'll be discussing it for the next decade......He's a Redskin , Im over it .

Portis is the type of back the Texans need , a DownHill Runner , capable of 4 yards a carry and a threat to break one off in a hurry....Is there a Portis in the upcoming draft ?

wags
11-05-2004, 07:07 PM
nice post .....

. Wasnt that pick used on Gaffney ? Well at least we got a servicable player out of it.

We picked Jabar at #33. We then picked Pitts at #50. Portis was picked #51, right after we took Pitts.

Grid
11-06-2004, 04:28 PM
Just wanted to point out that neither Benson or Peterson are the workhorse type back that we are talking about. The only difference between Peterson/Benson and DD.. is 3 inches :P. They are both a little taller than him.. but the weight is the same.

What we need is a DD that is about 3 or 4 inches taller and 30 pounds heavier.

when I say a large workhorse back that can pick up reliable yardage and take a beating.. im talking about 5'11' - 6'1" and 230-250lbs

That is where Jamal Lewis, Stephen Davis, and Jerome Bettis all fall. Perhaps we should be looking for a fullback that size? that way we can put him in the backfield with Davis and run either one of em.. *shrug* i dunno.. but I know that, as much as we like to run.. that is the kind of RB we need.

Vinny
11-06-2004, 04:36 PM
Would i like Portis now , sure i would , his 3.9 avg would be real nice .
But would he have done anything at all with the Texans O-line the two seasons ? I doubt it.Also, Pitts was one of our best linemen in our fist season. If we didn't take him no telling how much more of a beating Carr would have taken.

Grid
11-06-2004, 04:46 PM
btw.. looking at a couple draft rankings.. the RBs that seem to fit the physical bill.. are Eric Shelton (JR) out of Louisville.. and Kay Jay Harris (SR) out of West Virginia.

Shelton - 6'3" - 245lbs - 4.6 40

Harris - 6'2" - 245lbs - 4.5 40

The heights kinda worry me. I dont know many NFL RBs that are that tall.

Good news is Harris may be available as late as the 3rd round(probably 2nd)... if we want him.

Hottoddie
11-06-2004, 08:17 PM
Keep an eye on Tim Blackwell from Southerm Miss. He's 6'0" 203lbs., runs a consistent 4.37/4.41 40, & has allegedly been clocked at 4.31 in the 40.

He hasn't played any this year, because he's apparently in the coaches doghouse. However, with that kind of size & speed, he might be worth taking a look at. He could be a CC late round sleeper special.

Tim Blackwell Profile (http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/profile.php?pyid=5259)

ArlingtonTexan
11-06-2004, 09:05 PM
Just wanted to point out that neither Benson or Peterson are the workhorse type back that we are talking about. The only difference between Peterson/Benson and DD.. is 3 inches :P. They are both a little taller than him.. but the weight is the same.

What we need is a DD that is about 3 or 4 inches taller and 30 pounds heavier.

when I say a large workhorse back that can pick up reliable yardage and take a beating.. im talking about 5'11' - 6'1" and 230-250lbs



Taking the pounding/knowing how lessen the impact is more important that the pure size...E.smith, Curtis Martin, Priest Holmes are no bigger than DomDavis have careers carrying the ball 20-25 times a game. The last injury, if I am correct was a sprained ankle which has nothing to do with size. Sure Benson has had lots of carries, but he has not missed many snaps for sprains, bruises, etc.

wags
11-07-2004, 07:43 PM
and Kay Jay Harris (SR) out of West Virginia.
Harris - 6'2" - 245lbs - 4.5 40

Good news is Harris may be available as late as the 3rd round(probably 2nd)... if we want him.

Kay-Jay Harris will be 26 years old come draft time. That's freaking old for a rookie.