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Texans34Life
05-30-2007, 02:00 AM
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/4846126.html



The Texans want a playmaker at free safety this season, so they are getting creative.

C.C. Brown returns as the starter, but the Texans are giving other players serious looks at that spot. Dexter McCleon has converted from cornerback to free safety. Von Hutchins is also taking repetitions there.

If someone else wins the starting job, Brown could be moved back to his natural position at strong safety, where he would compete with Glenn Earl for playing time.

"They all have to improve at getting turnovers," defensive backs coach Jon Hoke said. "We have not been very good at that. With Glenn and C.C., you have two guys that are physical guys and can tackle and will hit people and those types of things. But they both understand we need to find ways to get our hands on the ball and create more turnovers."



"You have to have a physical presence back there, and then those guys have to be able to cover too in tough situations," coach Gary Kubiak said. "When you play people like the Colts, you have to make decisions like, 'Are you going to play them in the nickel or are you going to play with your base defense on the field?' And when you have safeties that can do a lot, you can stay in your base defense."

Hutchins, who is entering his fourth NFL season, hasn't played safety since his days at Mississippi. The Texans signed Hutchins off the street last November and re-signed him in the offseason. He remains one of their most versatile defensive backs.



McCleon, an 11-year veteran, played free safety during part of his six-year stint with St. Louis. He has 31 career interceptions and four forced fumbles.

"We know what Dexter can do outside as a veteran corner, and we have some young guys we need to look at," Kubiak said. "So if he was outside, the reps would be limited. He very unselfishly said, 'I'll go inside and try to make this football team inside.' I think a lot of Dexter McCleon. He brought a lot to our team last year and he's looked very good."

Even though McCleon and Hutchins are working at free safety, the starting job belongs to Brown. Kubiak said just by adding the new guys to the mix, he has seen it boost the play of Brown and Earl.

TexanAddict
05-30-2007, 10:56 AM
While more INTs would be great, but after last season, I will be happy if our safeties don't bite on every play action and at least make it difficult for teams to exploit the deep middle of the field. If they can do that, the INTs will come.

HuttoKarl
05-30-2007, 12:08 PM
INT's would be nice, but I'd settle for just not letting WR's catch the ball all the time.

ATX
05-30-2007, 12:14 PM
Seems like FS has always been a problem of ours. Wasn't Matt Stevens our first FS? Marlon McCree was probably our best FS we ever had and we let him get away. Marcus Coleman proved to be a joke at FS, but what's new with FS?

V Man
05-30-2007, 12:41 PM
When I first saw this article I thought "Duh" like we all don't already know that. But it got me thinking that is the one area that we didn't address this year. There were plenty of options too, either FA (Hamilin) or Draft (4 top prospects). I don't understand why we didn't address it, but it looks like they are trying a few things in OTA's. I just hope that one of the options they are looking at works out, or it could be another year of big pass plays against our defense.

disaacks3
05-30-2007, 01:37 PM
When I first saw this article I thought "Duh" like we all don't already know that. But it got me thinking that is the one area that we didn't address this year. There were plenty of options too, either FA (Hamilin) or Draft (4 top prospects). I don't understand why we didn't address it, but it looks like they are trying a few things in OTA's. I just hope that one of the options they are looking at works out, or it could be another year of big pass plays against our defense. I'm right there with you! It's easy to blame the CB, but our "over-the-top" rotational coverage just blew chunks last year and that led directly to some really big plays.

badboy
05-30-2007, 01:50 PM
I was told that one of our draft picks played left safety and might satisfy our need somewhat, so I guess you can say it was addressed. As the new DC of the Texans, I will do the following on passing plays, have a LB on left side bump the receiver within the 5 yards of LOS and then release. The left CB picks up the receiver (if he remains on his feet) and the "left"safety supports the play. Of course my new and improved Dline presses the QB into hurrying the throw as does an occasional blitz from Mr. Jason Babin and D R. Besides, I have been assured by our OC that we will be outscoring all opponents regardless what my defense does. So as the song says "have a nice day!"

Second Honeymoon
05-30-2007, 02:15 PM
the kid from Stanford could project out to a Free Safety, I just don't think we should expect much from him this year. Harrison has some qualities that could help him at FS but to ask a rookie to change positions AND contribute is asking too much. It looks like CCBrown/Earl are our starters at Safety.

I was hoping Merriweather's baggage would have fallen to our early 3rd Round but that turned out to be a huge pipedream. The Pats didn't hesitate when his name came up. At that point, we were pretty much digging through the bottom of the Safety barrel.

Are there any potential salary cap cuts in June for any quality FS talent? We really should have gone after Deon Grant or Karvashian (sic) harder.....

infantrycak
05-30-2007, 02:25 PM
We really should have gone after Deon Grant or Karvashian (sic) harder.....

Deon Grant is now the third highest paid safety in the league and he sure isn't the third best safety.

badboy
05-30-2007, 02:38 PM
the kid from Stanford could project out to a Free Safety, I just don't think we should expect much from him this year. Harrison has some qualities that could help him at FS but to ask a rookie to change positions AND contribute is asking too much. It looks like CCBrown/Earl are our starters at Safety.

I was hoping Merriweather's baggage would have fallen to our early 3rd Round but that turned out to be a huge pipedream. The Pats didn't hesitate when his name came up. At that point, we were pretty much digging through the bottom of the Safety barrel.

Are there any potential salary cap cuts in June for any quality FS talent? We really should have gone after Deon Grant or Karvashian (sic) harder.....
Without knowing the ramification of salary dumps on cap: Flannagan, Gado, Lundy, David Anderson, McKinney are possibles

Second Honeymoon
05-30-2007, 02:38 PM
Deon Grant is now the third highest paid safety in the league and he sure isn't the third best safety.

yup but that is the nature of FA. Is Nate Clements practically the best player in the league? Are Adalius Thomas or Leonard Davis amongst the tops at their position? Well, they are financially. Even though they overpaid, both the Pats and Cowboys significantly helped their teams by signing those players. As long as they don't turn into dead capspace 1 or 2 years later, I don't mind overpaying.

that being said, i get what you are saying. Grant is probably barely in the Top 10 FS in the league. we probably had thoughts of going after Grant hard but were scared away by his asking price. RS has shown that he is frugal and isn't going to overpay for people like the previous regime....I will always give him credit for that.

Maybe once we get rid of all the dead capspace from 'b-level' Free Agents we can start spending more money on the Top FAs who can actually make a difference.

TK_Gamer
05-31-2007, 08:47 AM
we sure could use Mcree right now, another of the releases I didnt understand. about all we can do is stick Harrison in there with the dime package and see how he matures, maybe he can move to FS some time later in the season, other than that we have Fletcher and Mccleon, thats assuming bennett wins the CB2 spot, I love petey at the nickel, but he is no CB2.

real
05-31-2007, 10:53 AM
I think Faggins is a good corner...I think he is more than capable of playing opposite D-rob...I'm not sure who'll win that spot, but as of right now my vote is for Petey...

I haven't seen a heck of a lot of Bennett, but from what I've seen I think he is either the third, or fourth corner....I don't think our corners were all that bad last year...I think a lot of the passes we gave up were do to playcalling, no pass rush, and our safety situation...Of course the corners aren't blameless, but I do think they're on the good side of terrible...

badboy
05-31-2007, 11:55 AM
I think Faggins is a good corner...I think he is more than capable of playing opposite D-rob...I'm not sure who'll win that spot, but as of right now my vote is for Petey...

I haven't seen a heck of a lot of Bennett, but from what I've seen I think he is either the third, or fourth corner....I don't think our corners were all that bad last year...I think a lot of the passes we gave up were do to playcalling, no pass rush, and our safety situation...Of course the corners aren't blameless, but I do think they're on the good side of terrible...I sure hope you are right and at least Coach agrees with you on Petey. I like the guy but remember being upset with him at various times last season. I still see our secondary as the most glaring weakness.

Mr teX
05-31-2007, 12:10 PM
CC back @ any safety position............... :brickwall:

Counting on 31 year old McCleon to contribute back there..........:gun:

real
05-31-2007, 12:29 PM
C.C and Glen Earl both starting.........priceless

PapaL
05-31-2007, 12:44 PM
That headline is so silly. "Texans want more big plays from safeties" as opposed to "Texans want more less plays from safeties"?

I'll settle for "Texans want any big plays from safeties"

Second Honeymoon
05-31-2007, 12:47 PM
the articles got me a little bit pumped. kubiak talking about how the competition is elevating their play....it's like....the coach...can....make the team.....better by his words and actions? coaching? unreal.

2nd honeymoon, not minding the overpayment of players is what got us into this mess in the first place. bunch of old, useless players still making a pretty penny off of us. you say you don't mind overpaying and the you say wait until the cap is clear. one or the other, man.

I think you misunderstood. The overpaying of 'B and C level' FA such as Wade, Greenwood, Robaire, Moulds, and Carr are what I have a problem with. You overpay for players that arent even that good to begin with. That isn't a good idea. As the 49ers will attest, you got to pay huge money to get quality players (ex. Nate Clement) but they can now go to bed knowing that their #1 CB position is locked up for the next 3-5 years.

When you pay market value (aka overpaying for top free agents) for a 'A level' FA you pay for it but at least you get a return on your investment and a guy amongst the best at his position. You get a player that can help you win and make a difference. basically, I would rather pay for one 'A level' FA than 2 or 3 'B level' FA. The previous regime would overpay for anyone they got and would never get the cream of the crop. Then we would end up cutting the guys we signed because they werent that effective to begin with and not worth the money we spent.

This offseason RS managed to get one of the best RB free agents and didn't have to overpay for him. His salary is large but only if he keeps his job and the signing bonus was not outrageous. It is obvious that the current FO has a better handle on how the NFL works financially.

Second Honeymoon
05-31-2007, 12:48 PM
we sure could use Mcree right now, another of the releases I didnt understand. about all we can do is stick Harrison in there with the dime package and see how he matures, maybe he can move to FS some time later in the season, other than that we have Fletcher and Mccleon, thats assuming bennett wins the CB2 spot, I love petey at the nickel, but he is no CB2.

I agree. Marlon was one of the few playmakers we ever had. He probably said something bad about Lil' Davey and got run.

HOU-TEX
05-31-2007, 12:50 PM
I agree. Marlon was one of the few playmakers we ever had. He probably said something bad about Lil' Davey and got run.

That doesn't really say much for our FS talent in the past, because I don't think McRee was that good to begin with.:shades:

TexanSam
05-31-2007, 02:04 PM
Terrence Kiel is still a free agent. He has off field issues however and I don't think the Texans will take a chance on him.

cuppacoffee
05-31-2007, 02:33 PM
N/m