PDA

View Full Version : Georgia CB-supplemental draft


Silver Oak
05-17-2007, 10:12 PM
Having bad grades is not necessarily a sign of bad character. Would we get a shot at him in the 8 spot?


http://www.aolsportsblog.com/2007/05/17/georgia-loses-star-corner-to-grades/

Il_Bruno
05-17-2007, 10:39 PM
look into his situation and see if character is a major concern. It seems like he does not care very much for school but thats not very uncommon :whip:


maybe just a questionable work ethic or study habits? I havent seen him play so i can really say how good he is on the football field.

LORK 88
05-17-2007, 11:00 PM
I hope nobody gives up a 1st for him. With that said, I don't think we take a chance on him unless its a 2nd. Oh wait . . .

kiwitexansfan
05-18-2007, 02:18 AM
The thing that bothers me is that he didn't declare thinking he would go back to school but didn't realise he wasn't eligible.

That strikes me as being either lazy or unintelligent.

Errant Hothy
05-18-2007, 11:28 AM
I'd give a second in a heartbeat for Paul Oliver, dude would have been the first or second CB drafted if he had declared this year...if we had a second. I don't think a third will get it done.

NitroGSXR
05-18-2007, 12:20 PM
I am VERY confused in regards to what exactly the supplemental draft is. I just did a quick looksee on NFL.com and couldn't see anything in regards to it. Can someone post a really solid link that would describe and explain the costs of a supplemental draft. I'm very confused because LORK said that he would hope that nobody gives up a first? What? Did he mean a first round pick for next season? To get a player in the supplemental draft? What about UDFAs? Do they not apply towards the supplemental draft? Ugh. I need to hold off my questions because I don't know what I'm asking. Anyway, a link or a post explaining all of this would be great!

LORK 88
05-18-2007, 12:30 PM
I am VERY confused in regards to what exactly the supplemental draft is. I just did a quick looksee on NFL.com and couldn't see anything in regards to it. Can someone post a really solid link that would describe and explain the costs of a supplemental draft. I'm very confused because LORK said that he would hope that nobody gives up a first? What? Did he mean a first round pick for next season? To get a player in the supplemental draft? What about UDFAs? Do they not apply towards the supplemental draft? Ugh. I need to hold off my questions because I don't know what I'm asking. Anyway, a link or a post explaining all of this would be great!
The supplimental draft is for players who couldn't make it into the regular draft for one reason or another (usually academically inelidgable, missed the deadline for the regular draft, etc). Its held in the summer (June I think) and only consists of afew players. The way it works is teams bid on players with next years draft picks. For example, if one team says they bid their 1st on a player and no other team bids a 1st, they get him. If 2 teams bid a 1st, the player goes to the team who had the higher 1st rounder in that years regular draft. If nobody bids anything, he becomes a UDFA and can sign anywhere he wants. If you get to draft a player, you that rounds pick in the upcoming NFL draft. Hope this helped!

Silver Oak
05-18-2007, 12:48 PM
Thanks for the explanation as I had it all wrong. I thought teams would select in the same order as they did in the original draft (before trades up and down).

infantrycak
05-18-2007, 12:51 PM
It is all conducted by e-mail. The league sends one out starting a, I believe, 30 minute window for responses from the teams on what they will offer.

NitroGSXR
05-18-2007, 01:02 PM
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/6452668

I finally found a great explaination about the supplemental draft as well as a history of it. This was written in 2003 I believe since Hollings and Brown are on there. Sorry but this was the most updated one that I could find. If anyone else could help out...

Via email? That's interesting, infantrycak. Are you certain of this?

Wolf
05-18-2007, 01:48 PM
last years supplement draft

Once the draft order is determined by weighted lottery, Brandt said teams usually take one of three steps:

1) Teams will inform the NFL that they are electing to pass on the entire draft.

2) In advance, teams will inform the NFL what round they are willing to select an eligible player (and must surrender that corresponding pick in the 2007 entry draft).

3) Teams wait by the phone or email, and inform the NFL during the draft of their intentions.

The draft is held via telephone/email.


http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/reiss_pieces/2006/07/supplemental_dr.html

Gil Brandt's piece
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/9447397

HuttoKarl
05-18-2007, 02:07 PM
Give a third for a sweet cornerback, no doubt.

Then on draft day next year, we watch until Houston picks, then go cut the grass and pick up on day 2.

I'm wit' it.

badboy
05-18-2007, 02:33 PM
Give a third for a sweet cornerback, no doubt.

Then on draft day next year, we watch until Houston picks, then go cut the grass and pick up on day 2.

I'm wit' it.I'd definitely give a third in 08 for a hamburger er CB today, but if he is that good would not some one else offer better? Who could possibly be available in 3rd or 4th next year at CB? What are stats on this guy? An advantage is we would have him for a year compared to someone next season just coming on even if there was someone available at our pick.

rollinstone18
05-18-2007, 02:51 PM
Realistically, I don't see us offering anything for him. Kubiak said in a presser Faggins IS the #2 CB. I take that to mean Bennett and Fletcher are competing for a nickel spot.

I'd offer a 3rd round pick for Oliver though.

Errant Hothy
05-18-2007, 02:53 PM
http://www.nfldraftdog.com/2008_NFL_Draft/paul_oliver_georgia.htm

Cornerback Paul Oliver has built himself quite a reputation; he is being mentioned as the only cornerback that was able to shut down all-world Georgia Tech receiver Calvin Johnson last year (2006). Oliver held Johnson to two catches for 13 yards, which included Oliver knocking a touchdown pass out of Johnson's hands in the end zone, as well as a late-game interception that ensured a 15-12 Bulldog victory in the final regular game of the 2006 season (Nov. 25).

A 6 fot, 210 CB who has played well in the SEC.

badboy
05-18-2007, 04:23 PM
http://www.nfldraftdog.com/2008_NFL_Draft/paul_oliver_georgia.htm



A 6 fot, 210 CB who has played well in the SEC.Thanks your post triggered a dormant memory that I had read about him shutting down Johnson. He has good size but that probably lowers his speed. Most CBs running 4.5 or better are usually below 200 lbs, I think.

Errant Hothy
05-18-2007, 04:34 PM
Thanks your post triggered a dormant memory that I had read about him shutting down Johnson. He has good size but that probably lowers his speed. Most CBs running 4.5 or better are usually below 200 lbs, I think.

I've seen him estimated as a 4.4-4.5 guy.

badboy
05-18-2007, 04:36 PM
I googled and his speed is 4.38 to 4.52

NitroGSXR
05-19-2007, 01:50 AM
I have two questions. I'm just trying to learn about the supplemental draft here.

I'm not saying we will. I'm just supposing here... If we were to give up our first rounder in order to acquire him. Who gets that first round slot that we just gave up?

And the big question here is what kind of a contract would we have to pay him? My understanding is that we had the first pick last season so we'd be the front runners if that happened because if we're tied with another team, the team that was higher up on the pole from last season's draft wins out. Does this mean we'd have to pay him top dollar like we did for Mario? That doesn't sound very likely but it IS something that I'd like to know about.

I think I just confused myself with this post.:cool:

LORK 88
05-19-2007, 04:04 AM
I have two questions. I'm just trying to learn about the supplemental draft here.

I'm not saying we will. I'm just supposing here... If we were to give up our first rounder in order to acquire him. Who gets that first round slot that we just gave up?

And the big question here is what kind of a contract would we have to pay him? My understanding is that we had the first pick last season so we'd be the front runners if that happened because if we're tied with another team, the team that was higher up on the pole from last season's draft wins out. Does this mean we'd have to pay him top dollar like we did for Mario? That doesn't sound very likely but it IS something that I'd like to know about.
Nobody gets the slot we gave up, it shows up as forfeited. Cincy for example ended up giving up this years 93rd pick (or around there) and they just skipped over the pick.

As for the contract, Im not too sure. My guess would be that if a team gives up their 2nd rounder (lets say 1st pick in round 2), that they would try to make it equivelant to what this years 1st pick in round 2 got.

Hottoddie
05-19-2007, 02:58 PM
If he's as good as everyone's saying & he doesn't have any real issues, why wouldn't you give our #1 pick next year? Assuming we improve to .500 or better, in all likelyhood, our pick is going to be a mid to low mid round pick (13-20, based on last year's (8-8) picks). That's just 2 extra wins next year.

A mid 1st round pick is worth it, for a player that was able to shut down a WR that many have said is one of the best to come out in many years. He's got great size & if his speed is like the poster above reported, then I say we go for it.

The beauty of getting him now, is that he'll have a full year's experience against NFL caliber talent. Where as a #1 pick one year from now will have no NFL experience, just potential. I say we go get him, if he's all he's cracked up to be.

NitroGSXR
05-19-2007, 03:11 PM
If he's as good as everyone's saying & he doesn't have any real issues, why wouldn't you give our #1 pick next year? Assuming we improve to .500 or better, in all likelyhood, our pick is going to be a mid to low mid round pick (13-20, based on last year's (8-8) picks). That's just 2 extra wins next year.

A mid 1st round pick is worth it, for a player that was able to shut down a WR that many have said is one of the best to come out in many years. He's got great size & if his speed is like the poster above reported, then I say we go for it.

The beauty of getting him now, is that he'll have a full year's experience against NFL caliber talent. Where as a #1 pick one year from now will have no NFL experience, just potential. I say we go get him, if he's all he's cracked up to be.

I like it but I'm afraid of it being an overpayment. You're assuming that Matt Schaub immediately gels with the team. It may take a few games in order for him to get into a true rhythm with the rest of the team.

I guess I'm trying to say that I'll go ahead and chalk off the first couple of games to Schaub learning how to mesh with the rest of the Houston Texans and becoming a team player. A new QB, especially a youngster does take time. I'm hoping we're going to leap over the learning curve but there's still one.

With that in mind, our record may be a mite bit lower than expectations but not necessarily a bad thing.

I guess it's better to be a pessimist rather than an optimist in the NFL especially at the expense of a first round pick.

Hottoddie
05-19-2007, 04:56 PM
I like it but I'm afraid of it being an overpayment. You're assuming that Matt Schaub immediately gels with the team. It may take a few games in order for him to get into a true rhythm with the rest of the team.

I guess I'm trying to say that I'll go ahead and chalk off the first couple of games to Schaub learning how to mesh with the rest of the Houston Texans and becoming a team player. A new QB, especially a youngster does take time. I'm hoping we're going to leap over the learning curve but there's still one.

With that in mind, our record may be a mite bit lower than expectations but not necessarily a bad thing.

I guess it's better to be a pessimist rather than an optimist in the NFL especially at the expense of a first round pick.

How is it an overpayment when he'd be considered a 1st round pick normally? That's something I've yet to understand. How a draft pick is worth more outside of draft day & more than some proven player that's just coming into his prime. It just boggles my mind.

As for Schaub, I wasn't assuming anything about him. With the addition of Ahman Green & the continued strengthening of our defense, I truely believe that we'll be .500, or better this year. I guess you could apply the "or better part to how well Schaub performs, but I still believe we'll be at least .500 this year no matter what he does.

kiwitexansfan
05-23-2007, 02:27 AM
Realistically, I don't see us offering anything for him. Kubiak said in a presser Faggins IS the #2 CB. I take that to mean Bennett and Fletcher are competing for a nickel spot.

I'd offer a 3rd round pick for Oliver though.

I certainly hope Faggins is not ths #2 CB come opening day, he is a great Nickel corner but a below par #2.

Maddict5
06-20-2007, 08:00 PM
had his workout today..

http://story.scout.com/a.z?s=135&p=2&c=653177

Twenty-seven teams were on hand at the workout as both league scouts and directors of college scouting lined the field.

Sources at the workout told us Oliver clocked between 4.50-to-4.58 seconds in the forty, depending on whose stopwatch you read. His vertical jump was 33.5 inches.

Oliver did stand out in the position drills, showing excellent defensive back techniques and superb hands, for which he was complimented.
Several teams including the Atlanta Falcons and San Diego Chargers will be bringing Oliver in over the next week for one-on-one interviews as well as physicals.

When we specifically asked if the New England Patriots had shown any great amount of interest in Oliver, the answer was an emphatic "no."
Tomorrow afternoon we will update

TexanAddict
06-21-2007, 10:51 AM
I would still use a 4th on a player of his caliber. As I said before (http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=669849#post669849), most draft "experts" were giving him a top 15 pick grade going into next year.

Maddict5
06-21-2007, 12:18 PM
well hes def not a workout warrior anyway.. id spend a 4th or a 5th aswell

awtysst
06-21-2007, 01:00 PM
There have been 33 players selected in the NFL suplimental draft since its inception in 1977. Of those 33 people only Bernie Kosar and Chris Carter went on to any noterity. Plus there are plenty of times when a team misses an opportunity on a good nfl draft prospect becuase they take someone in the supplimental.

I would not spend a pick in the supplimental draft if I were the GM. There is a reason these guys did not make it to the NFL draft. Maybe they have legal issues, maybe lack of desire, or whatever. Let someone else take a chance. I will stand far far away.

TexanAddict
06-21-2007, 01:25 PM
Paul Oliver became academically ineligible for next season following his spring semester, which may show a lack of maturity. This is something that should definitely be scrutinized closely, but if it could be determined that this is not the symptom of a larger problem, he could be worth taking with a second day pick. The opportunity to get a player many thought could go in the top half of the 2008 draft for a second day pick might be worth the risk.

I felt the sting of the Tony Hollings pick as much as everyone else, but we're not talking about a RB coming off a serious knee injury with only 2 starts to his credit here. Oliver was productive in college, was highly regarded, and even shut down the mighty Calvin Johnson. I think the Texans should at least do their due dilligence in taking a look at this guy. Our secondary is anything but a proven commodity.

badboy
06-21-2007, 04:31 PM
Paul Oliver became academically ineligible for next season following his spring semester, which may show a lack of maturity. This is something that should definitely be scrutinized closely, but if it could be determined that this is not the symptom of a larger problem, he could be worth taking with a second day pick. The opportunity to get a player many thought could go in the top half of the 2008 draft for a second day pick might be worth the risk.

I felt the sting of the Tony Hollings pick as much as everyone else, but we're not talking about a RB coming off a serious knee injury with only 2 starts to his credit here. Oliver was productive in college, was highly regarded, and even shut down the mighty Calvin Johnson. I think the Texans should at least do their due dilligence in taking a look at this guy. Our secondary is anything but a proven commodity.well said!

TexanAddict
07-10-2007, 03:02 PM
Paul Oliver

Cornerback | Junior | Georgia
Height: 5-10 5/8 | Weight: 195 | 40-Time: 4.55

Strengths:
Adequate height and good bulk..Very good natural athlete...Has long arms...Able to flip his hips to turn and run with the best of them...Good playmaking ability and ball skills...Strong and pretty physical...A good tackler who will also support the run...Still has a lot of upside and seemed to be just starting to come into his own.

Weaknesses:
Just one year of starting experience...Timed speed is just average...Not a great leaper (33.5-inch vertical)...Average instincts...Can run hot and cold and is not as consistent as you'd prefer...Can he handle a man scheme or is he more of a zone coverage type?...Safety might be his best position...Intelligence may be a factor.

Notes:
Was rated as the #1 defensive back in the nation coming out of high school by Rivals100.com...Redshirted as a freshman and had to bide his time behind future pros DeMario Minter and Tim Jennings...Held #2 overall pick Calvin Johnson to just 2 catches for 13 yards in 2006...Did not work out nearly as well as expected but that can be at least partially attributed to a lack of proper prep time...Would have been the early favorite to be the #1 rated senior at his position for the 2008 NFL Draft...Could wind up being a steal and has the talent to start at the next level.

nfldraftcountdown.com (http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/features/07suppdraft.html)

badboy
07-10-2007, 03:17 PM
nfldraftcountdown.com (http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/features/07suppdraft.html)

Worth a look at 3rd round if available & Kubes thinks he could be productive. I just hope I am surprised by what we have at CB & WR.