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Buffi2
05-17-2007, 05:03 PM
or so says Don Banks, SI.com
link (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/don_banks/05/15/qb.situations/?cnn=yes)

Houston -- Texans fans don't have David Carr to kick around any more. But is that the good news or the bad news in Houston, where Carr was held responsible for everything shy of the Oilers leaving town in the first place? So desperate were the Texans to end the Carr era that they have pinned their future hopes at the position on a guy who is 0-2 in his two career starts, with a 69.2 passer rating in his limited NFL action. Schaub has talent, and the odds are he'll quickly make us forget what little he accomplished in Atlanta as Vick's backup. But if he doesn't, he wouldn't be the first career No. 2 to wilt under the glare of the No. 1 spotlight. If he should struggle, one intriguing option to keep tabs of is rookie Jared Zabransky, of Boise State fame.

At least this guy admits Matt has talent.:fans:

Texan_Bill
05-17-2007, 05:07 PM
Since Schaub, Houston and Atlanta will always be linked because of this deal, lets add the comments about Atlanta to this discussion as well...

Atlanta -- The Falcons received a veritable windfall from Houston in the Matt Schaub trade. But I'm guessing they'll have to remind themselves of that point on an hourly basis if anything happens to starter Michael Vick early this season due to injury, or say, league suspension? Then again, it's not like Schaub was a proven commodity as a backup. He was more about promise than production, and let's not forget that the newly signed Joey Harrington did win five of his 11 starts in Miami in 2006.

All I know is that Vick better hit the ground running this season (I mean, passing), because if either Harrington or ex-Georgia Bulldog D.J. Shockley happens to win in his absence, that short leash that the Falcons say they'll have Vick on this season might grow noticeably shorter.

brakos82
05-17-2007, 05:16 PM
At least we didn't end up with the dog-fight runner. :user:

thunderkyss
05-17-2007, 05:52 PM
or so says Don Banks, SI.com
link (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/don_banks/05/15/qb.situations/?cnn=yes)

• Houston -- Texans fans don't have David Carr to kick around any more. But is that the good news or the bad news in Houston, where Carr was held responsible for everything shy of the Oilers leaving town in the first place?


I don't get this. We've played musical LT since our inception. Fired Offensive Coordinators, Fired coaches, revamped the defense, chewed through WRs like they were on sale, replaced all but three positions since David has been our starter...

And we're blaming everything on David freak'n Carr.



sheesh...

Double Barrel
05-17-2007, 06:46 PM
Every QB coming out of college is unproven, yet Shaub seems to be under much more scrutiny. He wasn't a starter in ATL because of talent, but only because the Falcons owner has standing orders that Vick be the starting QB (something Texans fans are familiar with).

I have yet to see a national sports writer actually analyze David Carr, the QB. Makes me think of the Borg in Star Trek, where they all tap into a universal mind without the ability to think for themselves. Carr shares as much (or more) blame for his woes as the line, backs, receivers, and/or coaching staff. But yet none of the so-called professional sports writers seem to get it.

Texans_Chick
05-17-2007, 07:17 PM
Every QB coming out of college is unproven, yet Shaub seems to be under much more scrutiny. He wasn't a starter in ATL because of talent, but only because the Falcons owner has standing orders that Vick be the starting QB (something Texans fans are familiar with).

I have yet to see a national sports writer actually analyze David Carr, the QB. Makes me think of the Borg in Star Trek, where they all tap into a universal mind without the ability to think for themselves. Carr shares as much (or more) blame for his woes as the line, backs, receivers, and/or coaching staff. But yet none of the so-called professional sports writers seem to get it.

I am trying to chip away at this my own self.

Texans FanHouse: David Carr or the Offensive Line: The Chicken Egg Question (http://texans.aolsportsblog.com/2007/04/19/david-carr-or-the-offensive-line-the-chicken-egg-question/)

If you ever want to easily respond to a national borg writer about this subject, I think this is something that is handy to link to.


As for what happens if Schaub struggles, part of that is learning a new offense, an offense that Shanahan Sr. has described as one that takes 3 years for a quarterback to master. I am thinking that Rosenfels would get more a legit shot this year if things really went south, and would have last year had he not broke his hand.

GuerillaBlack
05-17-2007, 08:25 PM
Every QB coming out of college is unproven, yet Shaub seems to be under much more scrutiny. He wasn't a starter in ATL because of talent, but only because the Falcons owner has standing orders that Vick be the starting QB (something Texans fans are familiar with).

I have yet to see a national sports writer actually analyze David Carr, the QB. Makes me think of the Borg in Star Trek, where they all tap into a universal mind without the ability to think for themselves. Carr shares as much (or more) blame for his woes as the line, backs, receivers, and/or coaching staff. But yet none of the so-called professional sports writers seem to get it.
It is spelled Schaub. Otherwise, I agree with your post.

Runner
05-17-2007, 08:47 PM
At least we didn't end up with the dog-fight runner.

Excuse me! I don't like the context here - how about operator, promoter, or slimeball? I don't like being associated with anything so flagitious. :cool:

Texans Horror
05-17-2007, 09:06 PM
The only reason it's interesting is because Carr was let go, so a lot of people are going to want to do a blanket comparison of the team between when Schaub took over and when Dave left, and we will all be able to curb it to our own perspectives. The reality is that there are a lot of holes, and QB was just one of them. The Texans have done little to patch the other holes. If they don't produce this season it is because of their inability to patch holes.

I am real excited, however, in seeing the development of Okobe (keeping in mind he's just a rookie) and the production of a real running back this year. The defensive line and the running back are the workhorses of Kube's team. It will be interesting to see how well they perform this year.

infantrycak
05-17-2007, 09:42 PM
I don't like being associated with anything so flagitious. :cool:

Hehe, hehe--he said flagitious.

The Pencil Neck
05-17-2007, 09:52 PM
Excuse me! I don't like the context here - how about operator, promoter, or slimeball? I don't like being associated with anything so flagitious. :cool:

I had wondered where your name came from and just assumed it was drug related. Hadn't even thought of underground sport promotions.

Da_General
05-17-2007, 10:30 PM
Every QB coming out of college is unproven, yet Shaub seems to be under much more scrutiny. He wasn't a starter in ATL because of talent, but only because the Falcons owner has standing orders that Vick be the starting QB (something Texans fans are familiar with).

I have yet to see a national sports writer actually analyze David Carr, the QB. Makes me think of the Borg in Star Trek, where they all tap into a universal mind without the ability to think for themselves. Carr shares as much (or more) blame for his woes as the line, backs, receivers, and/or coaching staff. But yet none of the so-called professional sports writers seem to get it.

I was going to argue, but I figured it was Futile...
:bag:

kiwitexansfan
05-18-2007, 01:26 AM
I don't get this. We've played musical LT since our inception. Fired Offensive Coordinators, Fired coaches, revamped the defense, chewed through WRs like they were on sale, replaced all but three positions since David has been our starter...

And we're blaming everything on David freak'n Carr.



sheesh...

I for one blame everything on Casserley. All those things that you list and Carr are all Casserley.

Runner
05-18-2007, 05:50 AM
I had wondered where your name came from and just assumed it was drug related. Hadn't even thought of underground sport promotions.

Hey! This is getting out of control. Running is a form of EXERCISE. I chose Runner because I RUN.

Runner
05-18-2007, 05:56 AM
Hehe, hehe--he said flagitious.

I don't understand what's funny. What word would you have used? :shades:

flagitious \fluh-JISH-uhs\, adjective:
1. Disgracefully or shamefully criminal; grossly wicked; scandalous; -- said of acts, crimes, etc.
2. Guilty of enormous crimes; corrupt; profligate; -- said of persons.
3. Characterized by enormous crimes or scandalous vices; as, "flagitious times."

Specnatz
05-18-2007, 06:27 AM
Every QB coming out of college is unproven, yet Shaub = SCHAUB seems to be under much more scrutiny. He wasn't a starter in ATL because of talent, but only because the Falcons owner has standing orders that Vick be the starting QB (something Texans fans are familiar with).

I have yet to see a national sports writer actually analyze David Carr, the QB. Makes me think of the Borg in Star Trek, where they all tap into a universal mind without the ability to think for themselves. Carr shares as much (or more) blame for his woes as the line, backs, receivers, and/or coaching staff. But yet none of the so-called professional sports writers seem to get it.

I agree with you, it pains me to listen to Schlerth and Golic, both of whom I like, about the Texans OL. You would think a lineman no matter a Dl or OL would no that it is not only the OL that causes sacks. It is as if they are not free thinkers and can not go with a real thought of their own and have to say the party line and that the only thing that is wrong is the part line.

why does Banks use the word "us" in his talking about the Texans? I bet he has only watched two complete games of our beloved team. I get so fruastrated by the talk that comes from these national media guys because they talk without knowledge.

Malloy
05-18-2007, 07:10 AM
Hey! This is getting out of control. Running is a form of EXERCISE. I chose Runner because I RUN.

Judging from your reaction, drugs are definately involved :)

Oh, and on the original article/link, good read. Nice to see someone being able to write something short without reverting to espn'isque ramblings.

michaelm
05-18-2007, 09:27 AM
Hey! This is getting out of control. Running is a form of EXERCISE. I chose Runner because I RUN.

All this time I thought you were just really into that Schwarzenegger movie...

The Pencil Neck
05-18-2007, 09:43 AM
Judging from your reaction, drugs are definately involved :)


Yep. He doth protest too much. My initial impression was obviously correct and this whole exercise thing is a ruse.

Runner
05-18-2007, 03:13 PM
All this time I thought you were just really into that Schwarzenegger movie...

It gets worse and worse.

Double Barrel
05-18-2007, 03:30 PM
It is spelled Schaub. Otherwise, I agree with your post.

Don't know why I keep misspelling his name!.... :brickwall:


I was going to argue, but I figured it was Futile...
:bag:

Resistance always is. http://eternityonline.org.uk/resources/e107_files/downloadthumbs/mocsmilies/smilieset10.gif

awtysst
05-18-2007, 08:43 PM
Every QB coming out of college is unproven, yet Shaub seems to be under much more scrutiny. He wasn't a starter in ATL because of talent, but only because the Falcons owner has standing orders that Vick be the starting QB (something Texans fans are familiar with).

I have yet to see a national sports writer actually analyze David Carr, the QB. Makes me think of the Borg in Star Trek, where they all tap into a universal mind without the ability to think for themselves. Carr shares as much (or more) blame for his woes as the line, backs, receivers, and/or coaching staff. But yet none of the so-called professional sports writers seem to get it.

Rep for Star Trek Borg reference!

DBCooper
05-18-2007, 09:10 PM
Excuse me! I don't like the context here - how about operator, promoter, or slimeball? I don't like being associated with anything so flagitious. :cool:

Flagitious is my word of the day.

brakos82
05-18-2007, 09:42 PM
I love creating chaos. :doot: :doot:

rvguy121
05-19-2007, 10:31 PM
Flagitious is my word of the day.

Flagitious is a great and wonderous word. It now replaces extrapolate as one of my all time favorites.:shades:

GO TEXANS!!

The Pencil Neck
05-19-2007, 11:32 PM
Flagitious is a great and wonderous word. It now replaces extrapolate as one of my all time favorites.:shades:

GO TEXANS!!

Flagitious is OK and everything but Lugubrious is still top of my heap. I think I was in like the 5th grade when my teacher taught me that word and I still try to use it every chance I get.

Defenestration is up there on the word list, too.

rvguy121
05-20-2007, 08:27 AM
Flagitious is OK and everything but Lugubrious is still top of my heap. I think I was in like the 5th grade when my teacher taught me that word and I still try to use it every chance I get.

Defenestration is up there on the word list, too.

And use it you should, too. Defenestration and lugubrious are indeed worth top 5 consideration...

Runner
05-20-2007, 12:13 PM
Defenestration is overused.

I do enjoy the persiflage about words though.

The Pencil Neck
05-20-2007, 01:18 PM
Defenestration is overused.

I do enjoy the persiflage about words though.

Defenestration? Overused?

I think you need to actually watch the game film instead of relying on the media for your information. Too much ESPiN for you.

Buffi2
05-20-2007, 02:00 PM
One of my personal favorites is perspicacious (http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/perspicacious), which many of you obviously are. I'd never heard of flagitious, but am going to use it regularly from now on. Good word.:splits:

Beer and Metal
05-21-2007, 11:41 AM
Wow!
Look at all the big words.
This thread has become hippopotomonstrosesquipedalian.

brakos82
05-21-2007, 05:14 PM
Wow!
Look at all the big words.
This thread has become hippopotomonstrosesquipedalian.

Are you sure you spelled that right? :shades:

Double Barrel
05-21-2007, 05:54 PM
You know it's the off-season when a football thread has two or more words that require looking up in a dictionary. :user:

Specnatz
05-21-2007, 06:03 PM
You know it's the off-season when a football thread has two or more words that require looking up in a dictionary. :user:

No kidding there. Glad I am not the only one, I was starting to develop a complex for not knowing two of the words.

Runner
05-21-2007, 06:06 PM
You know it's the off-season when a football thread has two or more words that require looking up in a dictionary. :user:

Some of us have cacoethes loquendi; some don't.

TexansSeminole
05-21-2007, 06:09 PM
Some of us have cacoethes loquendi; some don't.

You would say something like that.

Runner
05-21-2007, 06:18 PM
You would say something like that.

Some of us have a way with words; some don't.


Of course, it is just a small step to a full blown case of logorrhea.*


* The proper term for diarrhea of the mouth, and one of my personal favorite words.

Double Barrel
05-21-2007, 06:19 PM
Some of us have cacoethes loquendi; some don't.

Can you get a shot to cure it? I bet it itches a lot, too, 'eh? :shades: & some have cacoethes carpendi

Runner
05-21-2007, 06:21 PM
Can you get a shot to cure it? I bet it itches a lot, too, 'eh? :shades:

See my post, above. Logorrhea is very hard to cure. Penicillin won't do it.

The Pencil Neck
05-21-2007, 08:42 PM
See my post, above. Logorrhea is very hard to cure. Penicillin won't do it.

Yeah... so THAT's what "Runner" really means: running off at the mouth. Or at least, at the fingers in this case.

Logorrhea is one of the few things you really can get from a toilet seat.


Or at least from reading dictionaries while sitting on a toilet seat.



Almost the same thing.