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Vinny
05-16-2007, 02:08 PM
"It's really been, I don't want to use the word easy, but it's been a nice transition because a lot of the things we do and the way we talk Matt's done that. And I knew that before we even brought him here, so that's helped make things a little easier."

Schaub, acquired in an offseason trade with the Atlanta Falcons, realizes there's a big difference in being comfortable with something on paper and then translating it onto the field.

He is also adjusting to the fact he's entering a season as the starter for the first time in his career.

"We started looking at the playbooks already — just to get some familiarity with some of the concepts and terms, but it's a matter of getting out and playing football," Schaub said.

Schaub has spent much of the past few weeks working out on his own with teammates at the practice facility. Schaub is becoming comfortable with Andre Johnson, as well as the other receivers, running backs and tight ends.

All of them have practiced timing and routes with Schaub.

"The ball comes on time," Johnson said. "He has a strong arm. We're just trying to get the timing down. http://chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/4808193.html

Double Barrel
05-16-2007, 02:46 PM
Nice article. :thumbup

Schaub has spent much of the past few weeks working out on his own with teammates at the practice facility. Schaub is becoming comfortable with Andre Johnson, as well as the other receivers, running backs and tight ends.

Music to my ears. So many of the seeds planted in the off-season can grow into fruit bearing plants. I've got a feeling that Shaub's dedication to practice and the team in general will pay huge dividends down the road. This is what leaders do, and one of the reasons why people follow accordingly.

PapaL
05-16-2007, 03:51 PM
I'm giddy ready that. Is it football time yet?

Vinny
05-16-2007, 04:05 PM
in the 3 o'clock news blurb on 610am Schaub said his first practice went well and they also reported that Ahman Green looked 'extremely sharp'.

jerek
05-16-2007, 04:11 PM
At the risk of coming across as a pessimist, we've heard this almost every year about Carr too. Carr looked excellent in camps last year. I can't wait for football to start myself, but I'll adopt a wait-and-see approach this time around.

Porky
05-16-2007, 04:11 PM
in the 3 o'clock news blurb on 610am Schaub said his first practice went well and they also reported that Ahman Green looked 'extremely sharp'.


Not surprised at all to be honest. I will be laughing when all these "washed up" posters have to eat crow.

Hervoyel
05-16-2007, 04:16 PM
The ball comes on time. He has a strong arm. We're just trying to get the timing down.

So am I to understand that AJ doesn't have to stop and turn around when he gets to the spot where he's supposed to catch it?

Double Barrel
05-16-2007, 04:43 PM
At the risk of coming across as a pessimist, we've heard this almost every year about Carr too. Carr looked excellent in camps last year. I can't wait for football to start myself, but I'll adopt a wait-and-see approach this time around.

Why did Carr get your benefit of the doubt but Shaub doesn't now? You are holding the mediocrity of our previous QB against our new starter, and that's not really fair to Shaub.

The difference now is that Kubiak picked Shaub, while he was 'stuck' with Carr. Shaub knows this system, both in college and ATL, and has the skills to run the system. Carr could never be a successful WCO QB. The upgrades at QB are numerous, IMO.

I certainly understand your pessimism after five losing seasons, but I just don't share it at this point in time.

jerek
05-16-2007, 04:50 PM
Why did Carr get your benefit of the doubt but Shaub doesn't now? You are holding the mediocrity of our previous QB against our new starter, and that's not really fair to Shaub.

The difference now is that Kubiak picked Shaub, while he was 'stuck' with Carr. Shaub knows this system, both in college and ATL, and has the skills to run the system. Carr could never be a successful WCO QB. The upgrades at QB are numerous, IMO.

I certainly understand your pessimism after five losing seasons, but I just don't share it at this point in time.

I guess my point is that this is very little information to go on or be excited about right now. The intent was not to compare Schaub to Carr but to highlight how these early reports are mostly unsubstantial. I thought Carr looked great in camp last year myself and made unwarranted predictions based on that limited glimpse.

I guess I see this not as being a killjoy but encouraging patience and not getting our hopes up too soon. I like Kubiak and Smith and they're batting a high percentage right now, but they also picked up Eric Moulds last year. Their choices aren't infallible and while I remain cautiously optimistic, it is no secret that I am skeptical about Schaub. Perhaps I am overcompensating?

However rest assured that I too believe this franchise is heading strongly in the right direction. We're really looking at waaay too long before the season starts up.

Texans_Chick
05-16-2007, 05:16 PM
These articles make me kinda giggle.

Off season is a time for puff, and appears that all off-season articles about Schaub are going to be about his leadership and work ethic.

But then there is the subtext that all Texans fans are reading into them is:

David Carr was sheltered and given special privileges, was a family man who didn't spend enough time at the facility, and hung out with his dad too much during work hours instead of hanging out with his teammates and being both a leader and a leader by example.

Whether or not that is true, false or somewhere in the middle, it's what most Texans fans really think when they see articles like this.

Please, I am not trying to turn this into a DC thread at all. I am just pointing out the obvious subtext.

I just hope that the work and the leadership and the blah blah blah, translates to what goes out on the field.

It does remind me of the talk I heard Sage Rosenfels give last year about what he learned early on in his career. That one of his coaches took him aside and told him that there are rules, and then there are the unwritten rules that QBs follow. One of those unwritten rules mean you have to come early and stay later than everyone else. Have to say that when I heard Rosenfels talking about that, it was hard not to think about DC's start with the team.

The Texans PR machine needs to be careful not to oversell this Schaub as hardworker/leader thing. At some point it gets a little goofy and redundant.

hollywood_texan
05-16-2007, 05:30 PM
I agree with the view of the article is a puff piece and we have all heard this before.

Even though, it's not directly said, I get the real impression Schuab will be imploying the "the buck stops here" when it comes to the success of the offense. Which means, the offensive line excuse will not be valid while he is the starting QB.

infantrycak
05-16-2007, 05:44 PM
the offensive line excuse will not be valid while he is the starting QB.

Hopefully he won't need no stinkin' excuses.

TexansSeminole
05-16-2007, 06:20 PM
I guess my point is that this is very little information to go on or be excited about right now. The intent was not to compare Schaub to Carr but to highlight how these early reports are mostly unsubstantial. I thought Carr looked great in camp last year myself and made unwarranted predictions based on that limited glimpse.

I guess I see this not as being a killjoy but encouraging patience and not getting our hopes up too soon. I like Kubiak and Smith and they're batting a high percentage right now, but they also picked up Eric Moulds last year. Their choices aren't infallible and while I remain cautiously optimistic, it is no secret that I am skeptical about Schaub. Perhaps I am overcompensating?

However rest assured that I too believe this franchise is heading strongly in the right direction. We're really looking at waaay too long before the season starts up.


I am thinking about things alot like you are. But I have always been the type to not really completely believe something until I see it.

Double Barrel
05-16-2007, 06:29 PM
I just hope that the work and the leadership and the blah blah blah, translates to what goes out on the field.

Just on a practical note concerning the fundamental X's & O's, the WCO is based upon timing patterns. And the more a QB and WR corps put into learning each other and working out together, the greater the chance that these timing patterns will be successful plays on the field.

And this is one of the keys to the 'leadership' angle: being prepared. If a team knows that the QB has put in his time on the practice field, weight room, and film study, then he has a higher chance of earning their respect. Respect = confidence, which leads to the cohesiveness of the team itself.

In crunch time, a receiver knowing where his QB is going to throw, and a QB knowing where his receiver is going to be, especially after audibles to take advantage of match-ups with the defense, can be the difference in winning a game or losing it.

The news from our off-season workouts and practice is what has me optimistic, because our QB is doing the things that the elite QBs do. I'm not putting him up there (yet), but the fact is that he is on the right track.

hollywood_texan
05-16-2007, 07:11 PM
Hopefully he won't need no stinkin' excuses.
Yep.

I guess what I was trying to say is that I think you have a better chance succeeding or doing better than you can possbily imagine if you don't rely on built-in excuses and take more responsibility for your involvment in whatever you are doing.

It's kind of the attitude nothing will stop me, I don't care what's in front of me.

I sense that in his quotes, and that is what really makes me optimistic about Schuab. The mental aspect for an NFL QB is so critical, and it appears he has that!

kiwitexansfan
05-16-2007, 08:44 PM
Puff piece or not, I have liked everything I have heard about Schaub off the field. He sounds like a great addition to the team culture.

Whether he can QB on the field is something we will see come regular season with the heat on.

Till then however I am basking in the subtle glow of leadership that Schaub is emanating.

Runner
05-16-2007, 09:52 PM
Well, I was over optimistic through the 2004 season, but that changed after watching the coaches totally kill the growth the team had made up to that year by changing the offense, shuffling personnel for no apparent reason, etc. and taning 2005. I'm now a seeing-is-believing-guy when I see puff pieces like this, even from good sources.

I'm trying to get better though.

Malloy
05-17-2007, 07:07 AM
So am I to understand that AJ doesn't have to stop and turn around when he gets to the spot where he's supposed to catch it?

I wish those days are over :)

Double Barrel
09-17-2007, 12:30 PM
Bump - old thread.

Leadership is overrated. :victory:

Second Honeymoon
09-17-2007, 12:32 PM
Bump - old thread.

Leadership is overrated. :victory:

so is ability, dedication, intelligence, team comraderie, field vision, work ethic/commitment, and love for the game.

hollywood_texan
09-17-2007, 12:39 PM
so is ability, dedication, intelligence, team comraderie, field vision, work ethic/commitment, and love for the game.

Unless you wear two gloves on the sidelines as a backup QB.

I am looking forward to some quotes from that guy!

Double Barrel
09-17-2007, 12:39 PM
so is ability, dedication, intelligence, team comraderie, field vision, work ethic/commitment, and love for the game.

Yeah, we were real morons for thinking Schaub could really improve this team...well, maybe not in hindsight. :wild:

Seriously, I was told on many occassions that I'm crazy for believing a QB can make so many aspects of the team better. But I've seen it happen on other teams, so I never doubted it could happen here, too.

I'm never one to dredge up old threads, but I think it's warranted after being called a fool.

Second Honeymoon
09-17-2007, 12:44 PM
Yeah, we were real morons for thinking Schaub could really improve this team...well, maybe not in hindsight. :wild:

Seriously, I was told on many occassions that I'm crazy for believing a QB can make so many aspects of the team better. But I've seen it happen on other teams, so I never doubted it could happen here, too.

I'm never one to dredge up old threads, but I think it's warranted after being called a fool.

Yeah, maybe we can finally put to bed the plethora of OL excuses once and for all...

Porky
09-17-2007, 01:20 PM
Ya, but how can we give up 2 second round picks for a guy who has been a career backup?

Signed,

Clueless board posters.



I'm still trying to decide if David Carr is Michael Jackson or Micky Mouse. :devilpig:

Second Honeymoon
09-17-2007, 01:26 PM
Ya, but how can we give up 2 second round picks for a guy who has been a career backup?

Signed,

Clueless board posters.



I'm still trying to decide if David Carr is Michael Jackson or Micky Mouse. :devilpig:

well chances are that DC isn't into kiddie porn so I don't think he is Michael Jackson.

my Steelers fan friend who I watch Sunday Ticket with said that Carr looked like Marlo Thomas from 'That Girl'. Those who arent as old as us may not get it but his little flip haircut screams Marlo. Carr looks like Tommy Lee and Marlo Thomas' hair had a baby.

GlassHalfFull
09-17-2007, 01:47 PM
Ya, but how can we give up 2 second round picks for a guy who has been a career backup?

Signed,

Clueless board posters.

:devilpig:

Check out the Falcons mb http://boards.atlantafalcons.com/index.php?showforum=2

Schaub is featured in two of their threads. LOL

Porky
09-17-2007, 01:48 PM
well chances are that DC isn't into kiddie porn so I don't think he is Michael Jackson.

my Steelers fan friend who I watch Sunday Ticket with said that Carr looked like Marlo Thomas from 'That Girl'. Those who arent as old as us may not get it but his little flip haircut screams Marlo. Carr looks like Tommy Lee and Marlo Thomas' hair had a baby.

His hair looked like he was ready to pose for the cover of GQ, and his hands looked like Micky Mouse. It's like he is the human fly, except in this case he is the human Micky Mouse, slowly morphing. Personally, dumbo might be a more fitting moniker for him.

Oh wait, this just in. Here is a sideline picture from yesterday -

http://dazilgroup.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2006/04/MRBM_cartoon_micky_mouse_B.jpg

Chance_C
09-17-2007, 02:25 PM
the guys on 790 were ragging him a little bit ago. They were saying that there's no way that his hair flipped up like that without using a curling iron...lol

Second Honeymoon
09-17-2007, 02:33 PM
His hair looked like he was ready to pose for the cover of GQ, and his hands looked like Micky Mouse. It's like he is the human fly, except in this case he is the human Micky Mouse, slowly morphing. Personally, dumbo might be a more fitting moniker for him.

Oh wait, this just in. Here is a sideline picture from yesterday -

http://dazilgroup.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2006/04/MRBM_cartoon_micky_mouse_B.jpg

yeah it was pretty nice seeing him wear another team's uniform, i gotta admit. felt really good and that along with his GQ shoot on the Panther's bench. if you were trying to win a spot and actually play football, wouldn't you be up with the coaches doing signals, ingesting the offense first-hand, and working with the QB above you. After all, they are paying you, David.....though not as much as we threw away on ya :(

i get the mickey mouse reference now, i am a bit slow on the uptake this afternoon. white gloves...duh. i was half expecting him to lead a marching band during halftime. he could twirl those things in the air and catch em and stuff. he could just have fun...after all that is what its all about. i bet that would be sweet.

gtexan02
09-17-2007, 02:36 PM
Powder blue and a pussycat logo fit his personality way better than steel blue and a bull.

not that theres anything wrong with that..

Double Barrel
09-17-2007, 03:07 PM
Ya, but how can we give up 2 second round picks for a guy who has been a career backup?

Signed,

Clueless board posters.


I'm still trying to decide if David Carr is Michael Jackson or Micky Mouse. :devilpig:

You're so mean. :winky:

Those mime gloves will help him feel the pressure! http://images.jupiterimages.com/common/detail/43/35/23373543.jpg

76Texan
09-17-2007, 04:16 PM
On the old TT board, as we discuss option for a new QB, Shaft75 & I were among those who did not mind to trade for Schaub and give him the chance to compete for the starting spot.

What I did not like is the combination of the draft picks involved and the money we pay out. Risk vs. reward.

You look at Leinart and his 6 yr $51 M deal.
We are paying Schaub as much as that.
Except Leinart contract has an escalator clause which states that if he's injured or for some reason cannot play in one of the first 4 years, he would leave quite a big chunk of that money on the table.

So, in looking at options, I mentioned signing Garcia and draft Kevin Kolb.
Garcia deal with the Bucs was for about the same money, but only if he leads the Bucs to the play-offs.
Garcia is currently playing well for the Bucs. But that is expected of him.
ie., less risk both financially and personel wise.
In the meanwhile, Kolb is wowing the eagles fans in every aspect of his game.
His 4 yr contract is $4.32 M with $2.6M guaranteed, I believe.
Somebody mentioned Garcia didn't want to sign with the Texans the year before, most likely because of the $$$ put on the table at the time, IMO.
We can always trade down 2 spots and give away the 2nd pick in 08 to guarantee the results.

Just the same, I stated that I will support any QB who wears a Texan uniform and that we have enough talent and depth this year to be very competitive with either Schaub or Rosenfels at the helm if need be.

The only point, which I assume that many of the people who were apprehensive most likely was making, is that will Schaub be the franchise QB that we've been looking for. It is more than reasonable to be cautious about that move.

Will he be good enough to lead us deep into the playoffs and hopefully the SB in a couple of years or three, or four?

By mid-season this year, we are suppposed to lift that expansion tag and throw it in the dump. Now we should raise the bar, and start having lofty expectation of the team just like fans of any other team in the NFL.

And many of those teams that have high hope still have questions regarding their QB for one reason or another: the Eagles, the Bears, the Ravens to name a few.

Even Mcnabb, and Mcnair are still scrutinized, so why not Schaub.
On the other hand, JMO, Schaub has the benefit of the doubt for at least this season. One and half year at most.
I continue to support him, and wants him to do well, and will become a believer when he really shows me he's capable of the aforementioned task.

:fans:

That doesn't mean we can't call him out for making a bone head decision.
Even Warren Moon made those mistakes, years after he had been in the NFL.
He'd get called out but he was also appreciated for all the great plays he made.

60611
09-17-2007, 06:18 PM
On the old TT board, as we discuss option for a new QB, Shaft75 & I were among those who did not mind to trade for Schaub and give him the chance to compete for the starting spot.

What I did not like is the combination of the draft picks involved and the money we pay out. Risk vs. reward.

You look at Leinart and his 6 yr $51 M deal.
We are paying Schaub as much as that.
Except Leinart contract has an escalator clause which states that if he's injured or for some reason cannot play in one of the first 4 years, he would leave quite a big chunk of that money on the table.

So, in looking at options, I mentioned signing Garcia and draft Kevin Kolb.
Garcia deal with the Bucs was for about the same money, but only if he leads the Bucs to the play-offs.
Garcia is currently playing well for the Bucs. But that is expected of him.
ie., less risk both financially and personel wise.
In the meanwhile, Kolb is wowing the eagles fans in every aspect of his game.
His 4 yr contract is $4.32 M with $2.6M guaranteed, I believe.
Somebody mentioned Garcia didn't want to sign with the Texans the year before, most likely because of the $$$ put on the table at the time, IMO.
We can always trade down 2 spots and give away the 2nd pick in 08 to guarantee the results.

Just the same, I stated that I will support any QB who wears a Texan uniform and that we have enough talent and depth this year to be very competitive with either Schaub or Rosenfels at the helm if need be.

The only point, which I assume that many of the people who were apprehensive most likely was making, is that will Schaub be the franchise QB that we've been looking for. It is more than reasonable to be cautious about that move.

Will he be good enough to lead us deep into the playoffs and hopefully the SB in a couple of years or three, or four?

By mid-season this year, we are suppposed to lift that expansion tag and throw it in the dump. Now we should raise the bar, and start having lofty expectation of the team just like fans of any other team in the NFL.

And many of those teams that have high hope still have questions regarding their QB for one reason or another: the Eagles, the Bears, the Ravens to name a few.

Even Mcnabb, and Mcnair are still scrutinized, so why not Schaub.
On the other hand, JMO, Schaub has the benefit of the doubt for at least this season. One and half year at most.
I continue to support him, and wants him to do well, and will become a believer when he really shows me he's capable of the aforementioned task.

:fans:

That doesn't mean we can't call him out for making a bone head decision.
Even Warren Moon made those mistakes, years after he had been in the NFL.
He'd get called out but he was also appreciated for all the great plays he made.

Wait, isn't Matt making less than $10 million guaranteed? Houston got a guy whose been in the league for 3 years (and drawn rave reviews from Atlanta and GMs around the league alike) for the equivalent of a low 20s first round pick, and paid him less than $10 million guaranteed and you think that may have been too much to give up? Mark my words: I guarantee you Matt will have a better career than Leinart, Alex Smith, or Brady Quinn. And he proved in college that he was better than Philip Rivers, who had far more weapons at his disposal and 4 years of starting experience. Granted, I'm a Texans convert because of Matt, but someday you'll realize how great of a bargain we got.

76Texan
09-17-2007, 06:21 PM
When that day come, I will rejoice!

You can tell, I like bargains! :doot:

60611
09-17-2007, 06:22 PM
When that day come, I will rejoice!

You can tell, I like bargains! :doot:

Well there's always a risk, but in this case, it's my firm belief that it was well worth taking.

76Texan
09-17-2007, 06:32 PM
Matt did look quite good in the two games.
In my book, he's ahead of the curve.

Many good qualities one would look for in a QB. Poise, quick decision and release, to name a few.
I hope he takes it to the next level.
A couple of times, (I think) he can use a little more patience. He does have other nice targets.

Don't want him to get into the habit of relying on just old reliable #80
Look at PM and Brady.

If it was true like you said, then the expectations are not unfounded, are they?

Malloy
09-17-2007, 06:42 PM
You're so mean. :winky:

Those mime gloves will help him feel the pressure! http://images.jupiterimages.com/common/detail/43/35/23373543.jpg

Damn you DB, I was about to suggest the mime myself :)

Texans_Chick
09-17-2007, 07:00 PM
His hair reminds me of this:

http://www.vegalleries.com/old_site/filmationopc/4arch8.jpg

I really do hate talking about the hair and the jazz hands, but gee, that is not what an NFL starting QB is supposed to look like. And the way he slagged the Texans afterwards with all his so good to be going to a real team comments, he deserved a long day.

Or as I said at FanHouse (http://sports.aol.com/fanhouse/2007/09/16/texans-34-panthers-21-steve-smith-tried-and-failed-to-win-game/) (links in original):

The Texans got in a deep hole, on the road, against a quality team and though Schaub made mistakes, it never seemed like the team and especially its quarterback panicked like in the past. There weren't any goofy fumbling the snap issues, freaking out in the pocket, or amazingly stupid game management decisions by the Texans quarterback position.

Schaub ended the day with 2 TDs, no interceptions and a 119.2 passer rating. David Carr's hair gel held, he didn't get sacked from the bench, nor did he get his mime hands dirty. Given his comments about how it was so unfun to play for the lowly Texans, I am guessing it was terribly awkward for Carr to watch the biggest road comeback in Texans history from his chosen position on the Carolina bench.

Deadspin (http://deadspin.com/sports/nfl-roundup/keeping-ones-cool-behind-enemy-lines-300368.php) was more brutal on this last point:

By the way, David Carr had to be this close to going all Owen Wilson on the opposing sideline. Yeah, that worked out well.

Ouch.

edo783
09-17-2007, 10:23 PM
I liked the Schaub pick at the time, but didn't like giving up the two second round picks. In retrospect.....might wind up being one of the biggest bargins in the NFL. Could be as big as the Favre trade. Funny thing how both were done by Atlanta. And we thought Charley screwed the pooch on deals.