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Porky
05-15-2007, 10:59 AM
Did anyone catch the interview with Gary Kubiak around 8am this morning? I only caught the last minute or so because I was listening to a cd on the way to work, so I missed almost all of it. If someone happened to be listening, can you recap what you heard?

What I heard is that Daniels and Putzier will both have expanded roles this year, and Daniels will be expected to make the safety respect the deep middle of the field more than they have in the past, and Kubes said that would be a big thing they will be working on.

The last thing mentioned was that the goal last year was to first become a winner, not only in record, but to have a winning mentality, and winning workouts. This year, and from here on out, the goal is simply the playoffs.

Matt and Lance then mentioned that the offense was going to be so much better this year because of the change at signal caller.

If anyone can add anything to this, please do!

Wolfiegrrl
05-15-2007, 11:09 AM
Porky,
Here's the link. Hope this helps.

http://www.sportsradio610.com/play_window.php?audioType=Episode&audioId=717191

Porky
05-15-2007, 11:12 AM
Porky,
Here's the link. Hope this helps.

http://www.sportsradio610.com/play_window.php?audioType=Episode&audioId=717191

Awesome! Thanks. I can't listen to it at work, but will tonight. :splits:

Vinny
05-15-2007, 11:27 AM
Did anyone catch the interview with Gary Kubiak around 8am this morning? I only caught the last minute or so because I was listening to a cd on the way to work, so I missed almost all of it. If someone happened to be listening, can you recap what you heard?

What I heard is that Daniels and Putzier will both have expanded roles this year, and Daniels will be expected to make the safety respect the deep middle of the field more than they have in the past, and Kubes said that would be a big thing they will be working on.


Carr struggled to throw the intermediate pass in the middle of the field so most of his passes were short passes, hitch passes or swing passes....unless he was throwing up one of his patented "jump ball" deep passes. When Rosenfels and Banks were in we saw the QB look to the middle of the field more than we saw Carr do this.

610 has it in the vault on the front page....look on the left side.

Texans_Chick
05-15-2007, 11:33 AM
Wow. Nice interview. Should be required listening for MB posters because he talks about nearly everyone.

Flanagan/McKinney battling at the center position. Hodgdon at guard???? Sounds like cut to me.

Calling Mathis and TJ out. In some ways that is fair, but in other ways it doesn't seem like it--they were hurt. What makes them any different than Flanagan--someone who didn't perform well and got hurt?

His answers were pretty honest about stuff. Good questions too--better than what usually happens with these interviews.

Wolfiegrrl
05-15-2007, 11:35 AM
One of the things that stuck out to me was how Gary sounded when he said Jerome Mathis and Travis Johnson need to set it up and show that they can play. It made me feel like Gary is on his final straw with those two. I wouldn't be surprised if those two guys didn't make it out of training camp.

Wolfiegrrl
05-15-2007, 11:39 AM
Kubs also mentioned that Schaub will make the offense better. At least that is what I got from that segment. Green will be kept fresh all year long. Kubiak mentioned that guys like Lundy and Taylor can take the hits during practice and preseason. He was really excited about picking up Darious Walker and Zebransky.

Porky
05-15-2007, 11:48 AM
I can't wait to listen to it tonight. Thanks for the updates guys and gals. :fans:

Second Honeymoon
05-15-2007, 11:52 AM
Wow. Nice interview. Should be required listening for MB posters because he talks about nearly everyone.

Flanagan/McKinney battling at the center position. Hodgdon at guard???? Sounds like cut to me.

Calling Mathis and TJ out. In some ways that is fair, but in other ways it doesn't seem like it--they were hurt. What makes them any different than Flanagan--someone who didn't perform well and got hurt?

His answers were pretty honest about stuff. Good questions too--better than what usually happens with these interviews.

Flanagan has shown more over his career than either Mathis or TJ. He gets the benefit of the doubt as Mathis had one good ST year and TJ has yet to have a good year. Flanagan has had multiple good years and although he struggled last year with injuries and with his level of performance, I think Kubes believes he has earned more respect due to his body of work in his career. And I agree with Kubes. As for Hodgdon, that guy just needs to go away, he is a horrible OL. He makes Victor Riley look like Anthony Munoz.

but yeah, great interview and very informative.

Texans_Chick
05-15-2007, 11:55 AM
Flanagan has shown more over his career than either Mathis or TJ. He gets the benefit of the doubt as Mathis had one good ST year and TJ has yet to have a good year. Flanagan has had multiple good years and although he struggled last year with injuries and with his level of performance, I think Kubes believes he has earned more respect due to his body of work in his career. And I agree with Kubes. As for Hodgdon, that guy just needs to go away, he is a horrible OL. He makes Victor Riley look like Anthony Munoz.

but yeah, great interview and very informative.

True that.

I do wonder if there is more going on that is not apparent.

nunusguy
05-15-2007, 12:00 PM
Kubiaks Q & A performance showed marked improvement over any others to date IMO. His answers were direct with a touch of elaboration here and there without so many of those ole cliches. Maybe he's been taking some lessons from his buddy, our very articulate young GM ?
And the content was informative. Like someone said earlier he's on Mathis and TJ and Hodgdons days may also numbered since I think it would be harder to make the roster as a guard than a center. Anyway, all 3 are from the C&C regime.
And expanding the role of the TE this year with Daniels leading the way is another example of good, sound Denver WCO. But I see they are still favoring Owens bad shoulder from last year - hope that won't be a show-stopper for the season opener against the Chiefs ?

bigbrewster2000
05-15-2007, 12:01 PM
One other thing that Kubes mentioned which is worth discussing is he brought up Kevin Walter again. He really wants him to be the #2 WR and considers him a young Ed McCaffery. (He also said that he realized that was putting alot of pressure on Walter)
He also really liked what he saw out of Anthony Maddox last season, and expects more this year. Anyway you will likely get much more out of the actual interview than what I type so I shall quiet my keyboard now.

Porky
05-15-2007, 12:02 PM
Was Enoka Lucas mentioned as a possible candidate to be the backup center? I personally thought Flanigan was really bad last year. If it was due to injury that's one thing, but if not, I think he needs to go.

Vinny
05-15-2007, 12:07 PM
Wow. Nice interview. Should be required listening for MB posters because he talks about nearly everyone.

Flanagan/McKinney battling at the center position. Hodgdon at guard???? Sounds like cut to me.

Calling Mathis and TJ out. In some ways that is fair, but in other ways it doesn't seem like it--they were hurt. What makes them any different than Flanagan--someone who didn't perform well and got hurt?

His answers were pretty honest about stuff. Good questions too--better than what usually happens with these interviews.I can't wait to listen to it tonight. Thanks for the updates guys and gals. :fans:On Hodgdon...I think they are trying to see if they can salvage him somehow - I don't think he makes the team this year.

I've heard that Mathis and TJ do not have all that good an attitude and work ethic...so that may be the difference in them and Flanagan. It speaks volumes to me that he mentions TJ out of nowhere when he laments about Mathis needing to be a full time player near the end of the interview.

Kubiak said that Schaub is familiar with a lot of the terminology they use so that transition should not be all that tough.

Don't expect to see Ahman Green much in the offseason....they are going to give the young backs most of the work since they know what Green can do. Kubiak said they don't want to "beat him up" much till it counts.

signed Brandon Mitchell (http://www.houstontexans.com/team/player.asp?player_id=301) largely on the strength of the Shrine game. He said that we had a couple of coaches in that game and it was also a plus for Enoka Lucas (http://www.houstontexans.com/team/player.asp?player_id=306).

Feels good about D-line depth this year. He's high on Anthony Maddox (http://www.houstontexans.com/team/player.asp?player_id=253) as the other (more of a two gap) DT and glossed about how rare it is to have a guy like Okoye as a DT with pass rushing skills.

Mentioned Mike Brisiel (http://www.houstontexans.com/team/player.asp?player_id=218) as a C/G...look for him playing in the World league.

Owen Daniels had shoulder surgery in the off season...may explain some of his late season lack of production.

nunusguy
05-15-2007, 12:15 PM
Was Enoka Lucas mentioned as a possible candidate to be the backup center? I personally thought Flanigan was really bad last year. If it was due to injury that's one thing, but if not, I think he needs to go.
He was as was the name of Chris White.
I dunno, but I'm thinking we might not have both of our 30 something centers on the roster in Sept ?

Mr. White
05-15-2007, 12:18 PM
He talked about Travis Johnson like he might actually make it through camp.

Vinny
05-15-2007, 12:24 PM
He talked about Travis Johnson like he might actually make it through camp.I kinda took his comments as he BETTER make more of a contribution or he is gone.

Porky
05-15-2007, 12:24 PM
He was as was the name of Chris White.
I dunno, but I'm thinking we might not have both of our 30 something centers on the roster in Sept ?

Chris White? Okay, I follow this team pretty religislousely, but that name is new to me. Anyone know anything about him?

I really doubt Mckinney fails to make it if that is your implication. He played pretty well at C late last year, especially in run blocking. Pass blocking has always been his weakness, and that sometimes causes issues with collapsing the pocket. That in turn means the QB is not being able to step up into the pocket, and also causes problems trying to avoid the rush from both ends, so we will see how a new QB will handle pressure coming from the middle.

nunusguy
05-15-2007, 12:37 PM
White is listed as the 4th string center on the Texans DC.
http://www.houstontexans.com/team/player.asp?player_id=266

HJam72
05-15-2007, 12:38 PM
TJ and Mathis just need to execute. :gun:

Mr. White
05-15-2007, 12:41 PM
I kinda took his comments as he BETTER make more of a contribution or he is gone.

Yeah. I just listened again and that's what he was saying. He said "we've got to get him going." He also said that he has the ability to play the 1 gap and 3 gap. Sounds like he's looking to Zgonina to pick up TJ's slack.

Vinny
05-15-2007, 12:42 PM
White is listed as the 4th string center on the Texans DC.
http://www.houstontexans.com/team/player.asp?player_id=266Looks like another of the Sherman connection players. He made the 53 man roster in GB his first year with Green Bay although he was inactive almost the entire season.

Porky
05-15-2007, 12:54 PM
Looks like another of the Sherman connection players. He made the 53 man roster in GB his first year with Green Bay although he was inactive almost the entire season.

Thanks guys. Sounds like probable camp fodder, but you never know.

I'm so ready to get this season kicked off, I'm about to explode. :devilpig:

Second Honeymoon
05-15-2007, 01:48 PM
True that.

I do wonder if there is more going on that is not apparent.

probably just trying to keep Flanny happy because Drew and McKinney are horrible Centers. if they can milk another year out of Flanny and if that year is relatively injury-free, it would be a huge help. We have had a problem at Center since Day One of this franchise. I think it has even been as much of a liability as the more obvious LT position.

TC, hopefully it all works out. I am keeping optimistic about this year and I think our schedule/bye week has shaped up to be our best chance at a good year. I honestly believe we can go 3-1 against the NFC South and 4-2 in our division. That is 7 wins right there. If we can .500 with the remaining 6 games on the schedule (which includes Browns and Raiders) we would be 10-6 and in the playoff race.

GO TEXAN

phantom17
05-15-2007, 01:49 PM
True that.

I do wonder if there is more going on that is not apparent.



True. In the final analysis, Kubiak & Smith knows these two better than all of us put together! And he's also putting a light under their butts.:pirate:

Second Honeymoon
05-15-2007, 01:51 PM
TJ and Mathis just need to execute. :gun:

Capers-speak FTL

badboy
05-15-2007, 02:32 PM
Wow. Nice interview. Should be required listening for MB posters because he talks about nearly everyone.

Flanagan/McKinney battling at the center position. Hodgdon at guard???? Sounds like cut to me.

Calling Mathis and TJ out. In some ways that is fair, but in other ways it doesn't seem like it--they were hurt. What makes them any different than Flanagan--someone who didn't perform well and got hurt?

His answers were pretty honest about stuff. Good questions too--better than what usually happens with these interviews.
Flannagan has a rabbi that helped him get his job.

infantrycak
05-15-2007, 02:36 PM
probably just trying to keep Flanny happy because Drew and McKinney are horrible Centers.

Flannigan has definitely been a better career center, but last year McKinney was better.

powerfuldragon
05-15-2007, 02:41 PM
Flannagan has a rabbi that helped him get his job.
a guy named flannagan has a rabbi?

badboy
05-15-2007, 02:49 PM
Flannigan has definitely been a better career center, but last year McKinney was better. I agree. Do you know how many years are on McKinneys current deal? If Flannagan can hold up as starter and allow Steve to float to guard, I think it is a much stronger line.

real
05-15-2007, 02:51 PM
I agree. Do you know how many years are on McKinneys current deal? If Flannagan can hold up as starter and allow Steve to float to guard, I think it is a much stronger line.

I'd rather Flannigan back up McKinney and leave Weary at gaurd

infantrycak
05-15-2007, 02:55 PM
If Flannagan can hold up as starter and allow Steve to float to guard, I think it is a much stronger line.

Flannigan has two years 07 and 08 on his contract (Flannigan could be cut right now for a very small cap savings) and McKinney is signed thru 09. If Flannigan can return to prior form, then great and McKinney will be a much better than average backup (don't see him beating Pitts or Weary out at OG), but if Flannigan is going to play like last year the line will be better with McKinney starting.

Second Honeymoon
05-15-2007, 02:58 PM
Flannigan has definitely been a better career center, but last year McKinney was better.

well Flanny looked good to start the season but then got injured. mckinney came in and took over and they had problems with QB-center exchanges and pressure up the middle just like they always have since Day One. I don't call that better than what Flanagan can bring if healthy. A big if? Sure. But to me, it looked like Flanagan would have been an upgrade at C if he had remained healthy....here is to hoping he can remaing healthy this year and can help solidify our OL this year like he was supposedly going to do last year.

rmartin65
05-15-2007, 03:04 PM
I think Mathis will have a huge season. A couple KR returns for TD, and it will be his breakout year as a reciever, maybe 800 yards and 5 touchdowns.

infantrycak
05-15-2007, 03:10 PM
well Flanny looked good to start the season but then got injured. mckinney came in and took over and they had problems with QB-center exchanges and pressure up the middle just like they always have since Day One. I don't call that better than what Flanagan can bring if healthy.

Your facts are mixed up. McKinney came in for games 3-6 but as the starter at RG not at C. Hodgden was who came in and replaced Flanagan for two games until the last two games of the season where McKinney started at C. There were not a bunch of QB center and pressure up the middle problems with McKinney in for their last two games--both wins. As I said, if Flanagan can return to his form of 4 years ago he may be the best starter. Based on recent history, McKinney would be better.

ledzeppelin229
05-15-2007, 03:15 PM
I think Mathis will have a huge season. A couple KR returns for TD, and it will be his breakout year as a reciever, maybe 800 yards and 5 touchdowns.

That would be nice but I don't have as much as you in Mathis WR ability.

badboy
05-15-2007, 03:23 PM
I think Mathis will have a huge season. A couple KR returns for TD, and it will be his breakout year as a reciever, maybe 800 yards and 5 touchdowns.
I'll drink some of what ever you are having. If Mathis gets 800 yds and 5 tds it should really open up the offense. This would mean that the field is being stretched (has that ever happened before?) and our TEs, RBs and maybe our slot WR are going to have some big opportunities. Can anyone say draw play?

kiwitexansfan
05-15-2007, 03:28 PM
Thanks for the link.

What I liked about the interview was the fact that he talked with confidence about guys all the way down the depth chart. It strikes me that they know who they have and why they have them and feel confident that even the lesser known guys can and will be contributors.

:fans:

Porky
05-15-2007, 04:00 PM
I think Mathis will have a huge season. A couple KR returns for TD, and it will be his breakout year as a reciever, maybe 800 yards and 5 touchdowns.

I think 80 yards will be a lot closer to the truth. I can't rule out the 5 td's but it would be via the return game. He has close to zero worth as a WR, but he is so good at KR's that he is worth hanging on to for one role only. He may see the field a few times in 4 WR sets, but I don't think we will run many of those anyway.

And if he doesn't improve his attitude and work ethic, he may not be here at all.

Texans_Chick
05-15-2007, 04:02 PM
Kubiaks Q & A performance showed marked improvement over any others to date IMO. His answers were direct with a touch of elaboration here and there without so many of those ole cliches. Maybe he's been taking some lessons from his buddy, our very articulate young GM ?
And the content was informative. Like someone said earlier he's on Mathis and TJ and Hodgdons days may also numbered since I think it would be harder to make the roster as a guard than a center. Anyway, all 3 are from the C&C regime.
And expanding the role of the TE this year with Daniels leading the way is another example of good, sound Denver WCO. But I see they are still favoring Owens bad shoulder from last year - hope that won't be a show-stopper for the season opener against the Chiefs ?


Disagree sort of. I've heard Kubiak speak a bunch and I am generally impressed how he deals with press stuff (and I don't get impressed with public speakers generally).

I think part of why this interview was so good was that the questions that Matt and Lance asked were really good. Lots of stuff that the fans wanted to know.

Double Barrel
05-15-2007, 04:02 PM
Great interview! Thanks for the heads up, Porky. :thumbup

TJ deserves to be called out, especially considering he's a first rounder. Dude has yet to live up to his 'potential', and I won't be surprised if he's cut before the season starts, yet another Casserly casualty.

Mathis is good for one thing: KR. Didn't he open his mouth a couple of seasons ago and then got injured shortly thereafter? It's time to put up or shut up, because saving a roster spot for just a KR that does little else doesn't seem prudent.

Good stuff to hear about Shaub and our offense. I hope for great things...which from my perspective as a Texans fan means a consistent offense than can do more than dump passes ("great" being relative).

Specnatz
05-15-2007, 04:34 PM
Disagree sort of. I've heard Kubiak speak a bunch and I am generally impressed how he deals with press stuff (and I don't get impressed with public speakers generally).

I think part of why this interview was so good was that the questions that Matt and Lance asked were really good. Lots of stuff that the fans wanted to know.

Agreed, I thought the questions were great. Not to gooff subject to far. this is one reason why I glad Granato is gone. He would have asked some real silly questions.

real
05-15-2007, 05:18 PM
Kubiak on 790......now

Runner
05-15-2007, 06:36 PM
I think Hodgdon has played his last down for the Texans.

I'm not sure about TJ. He seems like he should have some skill; he just never produces it.

Mathis is probably a goner. A roster spot is too valuable to use on a kick returner who sees limited action due to injury every year. Unless he has magically turned into an NFL caliber receiver, he is done.

infantrycak
05-15-2007, 07:11 PM
Mathis is probably a goner. A roster spot is too valuable to use on a kick returner who sees limited action due to injury every year. Unless he has magically turned into an NFL caliber receiver, he is done.

I think his place rests 75% on not having any injury until the last cut down date and 25% on showing some willingness to improve his receiving. He pops a hammy or a zit during TC and he is likely gone.

Specnatz
05-15-2007, 07:56 PM
I think his place rests 75% on not having any injury until the last cut down date and 25% on showing some willingness to improve his receiving. He pops a hammy or a zit during TC and he is likely gone.

Nice, I hope he does not get diarrhea then he will be looking for a job.

TexansSeminole
05-15-2007, 08:00 PM
Kubiak on 790......now

Did he say the same things on there?

thunderkyss
05-15-2007, 09:29 PM
well Flanny looked good to start the season but then got injured. mckinney came in and took over and they had problems with QB-center exchanges and pressure up the middle just like they always have since Day One. I don't call that better than what Flanagan can bring if healthy. A big if? Sure. But to me, it looked like Flanagan would have been an upgrade at C if he had remained healthy....here is to hoping he can remaing healthy this year and can help solidify our OL this year like he was supposedly going to do last year.

Cak's right. Against Indy, against Washington, the QB Center exchanges were on Flanagan. & Flanagan did not play well at all, at anytime of last season. You could see in the preseason he was getting out muscled & out leveraged on every snap. We also couldn't run the ball in any game Flannagan played Center, because he was getting out muscled by linebackers.

Drew Hogdon played better than Flanagan last year, but he was still below what we should consider acceptable. McKinney was by far the best center on the team. He solidified the center of the line, and he moved people on running plays.

If Flanagan can get close to his ProBowl form, then yeah he should be competing for the starting job. If Kubiak is cutting him some slack, because McKinney was half-assing it at guard, and Pitts wasn't playing great the first 2 or 3 weeks. Who knows.. But he was without a doubt the worse Center on our team in '06.

Tulip
05-15-2007, 10:15 PM
Did he say the same things on there?

I heard a partial replay just before 7pm. Charlie asked him a couple of questions about David Carr, and Kubiak was pretty diplomatic - used the "change of leadership" phrase a few times. He has also been impressed with Schaub's locker room leadership so far. They talked about the demands of being a head coach, and Kubiak said that Mike Sherman has really helped him keep a good work/life balance. He also said something that he has already said in recent interviews - that he wants the Texans to be a team where it's really tough to make the roster. He doesn't feel like they were that kind of team last year, but he thinks that they will be there this year.

Charlie said that there was more to the interview - questions about Mario's extracurricular activities, etc - and they've already posted it on the 790 website. Haven't listened yet, but I'm headed over there.

Marcus
05-15-2007, 10:44 PM
Next to death and taxes . . .

I'd say the next surest thing, is that Mathis gets cut in training camp.

Honoring Earl 34
05-15-2007, 10:54 PM
Next to death and taxes . . .

I'd say the next surest thing, is that Mathis gets cut in training camp.

Can't make the club from the tub .

Texans_Chick
05-15-2007, 11:03 PM
Next to death and taxes . . .

I'd say the next surest thing, is that Mathis gets cut in training camp.

He is relatively cheap. And the times he has played, he has been a difference maker.

First year he was an on and off gimp. Second year he couldn't have come back any faster. During the time early in the preseason when there were reports he wasn't following directions about route running, he had an undiagnosed foot fracture. He pushed to come back, and injured something else.

Even the few moments he played last season, he was electric.

Of course, there are no ways to prevent hamstring injuries really, but being a fast guy and repeated hamstring injuries are risk factors.

eriadoc
05-15-2007, 11:07 PM
If Mathis can't get on the field, then I can see why he'd be gone. However, if he is healthy, I want him on the team, even if he never plays a single snap at WR. I know Kubiak wants versatile players that can contribute in more ways than one, but there is something to be said for being the best at one thing, too. When Mathis is healthy, he might be the best kick returner in the NFL. Think about that. There aren't too many positions (OK, none) where the Texans have the best player in the NFL, or even one of the top 5 (AJ might make that cut ... maybe).

If team management has the goal of having the best possible players at each position, I really think Mathis fits that bill at kick returner. Slot him as the #5 WR and let him run back kicks really fast. How many #5 WRs see the field much in the NFL anyway? I just have a bad feeling that Kubiak might cut him and it comes back to haunt us. The team is not good enough to be releasing All Pro players yet(better than just Pro Bowl). That said ......

Can't make the club from the tub .

QFT.

TK_Gamer
05-16-2007, 12:18 AM
I have a feeling it's just gonna be about effort, not neccesarily how well he does on recieving, but is the effort there. same with TJ and several others, Kubiak seems really big on work ethic, as many have allready stated.

Allstar
05-16-2007, 12:39 AM
Kubiak comes in as the coach of a team that only had one pro bowler the previous year, a rookie kick returner. He hears about how great a returner he is and that he's a fan favorite. That offseason, Mathis gets hurt. Then he has a setback or two. He comes back against Oakland and basically wins the game for us. Then the decision is made that he isn't healthy enough to play the rest of the year. Kubiak is torn because he thinks Mathis can make a huge impact, but he really doesn't like his attitude and/or drive. I believe the potential alone that Mathis has will earn him a roster spot. At least for one more year.

kiwitexansfan
05-16-2007, 02:39 AM
Mathis stays if he acts like he gives a darn.

As has been said he is a playmaker, we don't have many of those so he stays.

valleytexfan
05-16-2007, 02:59 AM
Can't wait, Can't wait, Can't wait!!!!:texflag:

whiskeyrbl
05-16-2007, 05:34 AM
Excellent interview.. It was like a shot in the arm to hear some football news. Like Kubes comments on what he expects from the team this year. For thos ethat think our D sucked really bad last year, Kubes said they were a top 10 defense the last 10 weeks of the season. This year has all the makings of being a fun one. Kubes seemed stoked about getting Darius Walker. I like his talk this year, he seemed more direct and straight forward. Also like the comment that the goal for this team is to be a playoff team from now on.
Now I know some will say this should always be the goal, and it should. However thru the first regime and last year the goal was only to be winners, I hope this change in expectations translates in some good football from our boy's this year. And did he say that OTA's started today?

Runner
05-16-2007, 06:48 AM
He is relatively cheap.

I agree - if Mathis plays 16 games. That was my thought going into last season after the motorcycle incident. If he plays 8, that roster spot is more expensive than the money. If he plays 3, he is in no way cheap.

Texans_Chick
05-16-2007, 09:11 AM
I agree - if Mathis plays 16 games. That was my thought going into last season after the motorcycle incident. If he plays 8, that roster spot is more expensive than the money. If he plays 3, he is in no way cheap.

Given that he was a key to winning one game last year, he is doing better than most of guys drafted where he was.

Minor trivia: Mathis was the third rookie picked 4th round or lower to be voted into the Pro Bowl since 1990.


Just to go a little contrarian in this thread...I will add this.

Nobody busts the chops of someone that has little chance to succeed. You bust the chops of players when you think they can help you and you want to get that help and you think they might need a little kick in the pants.

Marcus
05-16-2007, 09:56 AM
Nobody busts the chops of someone that has little chance to succeed. You bust the chops of players when you think they can help you and you want to get that help and you think they might need a little kick in the pants.

I strongly believe it's more than a 'injury prone' issue with Mathis that's bugging Kubiak. Mathis rubs him the wrong way attitude wise, or team-player wise . . . whatever.

I've said this before . . . I think making the pro-bowl when he was a rookie, was the absolute worst thing that could have happened to Jerome Mathis.

Specnatz
05-16-2007, 12:10 PM
Given that he was a key to winning one game last year, he is doing better than most of guys drafted where he was.

Minor trivia: Mathis was the third rookie picked 4th round or lower to be voted into the Pro Bowl since 1990.


Just to go a little contrarian in this thread...I will add this.

Nobody busts the chops of someone that has little chance to succeed. You bust the chops of players when you think they can help you and you want to get that help and you think they might need a little kick in the pants.

I agree with you. It is that Kubiaks sees so much talent in the players yet he does not see the desire nor how it has translated to on the field play.

Like someone mentioned earlier, a huge shot across the bow....... Step Up or Step Out!!

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