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GuerillaBlack
05-10-2007, 10:41 PM
Some images and an excerpt I found about these photos:

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/203/490692715_76887da1f4_o.jpg

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/189/490679676_7585ebb391_o.jpg

Now, for a bit of trivia. Those pom-poms were first handed out during the Miami Dolphins game that took place on Monday Night Football. Actually, that is the first and only time they were handed out for free. After that game you had purchase them. I think they were a couple of bucks, or something like that. Houston won that game 35-30.

However, I think the pictures above were taken during one of those pep rallys they had after Houston lost to Pittsburgh. Look at the first picture, the seats are empty, so it had to be during the pep rally. However I remember sitting elsewhere during the pep rallys (rallies, whatever). I do have more, let me look them up.

http://img.auctiva.com/imgdata/2/8/3/6/7/5/webimg/31514438_o.jpg
^^The better uniforms.

Silver Oak
05-11-2007, 06:49 AM
The 1st pep rally was so cool. I was only 16 and my parents let me go with some friends (wow).

I don't know if the rally would have been better if we had been celebrating a win over the Steelers instead of a loss. A great team that really captured the personality of the city at that time.

Thanks for posting the pics!

sakebomb
05-11-2007, 07:52 AM
Cool pics. Were those taken with a digital camera? :splits:

Twitch-Houston
05-11-2007, 09:46 AM
Man that's awesome.

I posted on the General's blog asking if Bud still owns the rights to the old Oilers logo. Mauck was saying how those old Oiler teams feel like a team without a city because Tenn. fans don't care about them and Houston has the Texans. I would LOVE to see the Texans try to get the rights to the Oiler logo and use those uniforms as their retro one. I know, I know it will never happen, but when Mauck said that, the General said that he would see what they could do about it. I don't know any other way that would embrace them more.

Ok I'm awake now....I'll stop dreaming.........nah that's no fun.

Houston Oilers...Houston Texans....Houston Toilers #1 :texflag:

-Twitch

badboy
05-11-2007, 01:36 PM
Some folks said Houstonians did not get excited about football. The Luv Ya Blue years were fun yet stressful to live through. This town will explode when the Texans come into their own in the not too distant future.

OzzO
05-11-2007, 01:39 PM
Sake - I seem to recall Bud retained rights to the name, colors, and history when he took his ball and (went to someone else's) home.

Double Barrel
05-11-2007, 01:54 PM
Bud owns everything associated with the Houston Oilers, including franchise records. He had no desire to give Houston football fans anything, which is why I hope his fat ass chokes on a chicken bone.

We have our memories, though. They can't take those away.

Texan_Bill
05-11-2007, 02:18 PM
TO know him is to
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Overalls
05-11-2007, 02:31 PM
I was an Oiler since about the time I turned 10, back in 1976. I saw Earl run over people at the Dome. I earned a "Bruize Brothers" towl during the House of Pain era for being a loud and rabid fan. I went to the Steelers game that last season before the move. My buddies and I were envolved in fight with some Steeler fans. I harass Titans fans at ever chance I get when they call us old Houston Oilers fans bad fans "for letting the team go".

However, that team is dead. The Oilers no longer exist. I do not want to have their colors or logos reborn. The Texans are the Texans and have no ties to the Oilers other than having played in the same city. We have no right as Texan fans to Ernist Givens, Drew Hill, Warren Moon, Billy "White Shoes" Johnson, Bruce Mathews or ANY other Oiler player. We as former fans of the team can still have our memories of the bygone days, but today is not yesturday. We can still remember knocking on that door, but sadly that door will never be kicked in. We have a new team. A team that has made mistakes. A team that is still walking toward the door. We will make it to that door. We will knock on that door. WE WILL KNOCK THE ............DOOR IN.:texflag:

Texan_Bill
05-11-2007, 02:37 PM
I We will knock on that door. WE WILL KNOCK THE ............DOOR IN.:texflag:

For those to young to remember what O.A. "Bum" Phillips said
............... = SOB

Double Barrel
05-11-2007, 03:42 PM
Great post, Overalls, and my sentiments, as well. I'll always cherish my Oiler memories, but that's all they are to me now. I don't live in the past, but instead look forward to the future as a Texans fan.

That last Steelers game was great, because we were outnumbered 2 to 1 (at least). That place was alive with terrible towels...until the Oilers came from behind to take the lead. I read that three home games in a row had over 50,000 fans at each game, and that was for an already known lame-duck team. Houston has always supported it's pro NFL teams, and anyone slamming us for that are just stupid.

Texan_Bill
05-11-2007, 03:55 PM
I agree DB... Folks who say that Houston fans did not support our team are full of it.. I was there for every home game that last season (and it is true that some of those games were empty - but, again for a lame-duck team).. That stretch of 3 games in a row that had 50,000+ fans was awesome... I think the Oilers wound up 8-8 that final year... I remained loyal to the Oilers - right up until those trucks were packed and headed East on I-10...

Blazing Arrow
05-11-2007, 04:17 PM
For a Texans fan board you sure do show allot of admiration for the Titans/Oilers organization. We appreciate it. In a way, allot of you are like the lost children to the Titans.

http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u13/BlazingArrow24/gotmilk.jpg

Texan_Bill
05-11-2007, 04:19 PM
For a Texans fan board you sure do show allot of admiration for the Houston Oilers organization.

I dont see one comment giving the tinnbreads any love....

Blazing Arrow
05-11-2007, 04:20 PM
I dont see one comment giving the tinnbreads any love....

A rose by any other name .... :cool:

Twitch-Houston
05-11-2007, 04:31 PM
I agree DB... Folks who say that Houston fans did not support our team are full of it..

Don't forget the rallies after losses that the Houston fans were famous for. I don't see other cities fans doing that. You know your fans are loyal when they show up in force after a big loss. I'm sick of Houston fans being called fickle etc. Hell even our own sports radio shows slam us.

I know the Texans are the here and now, but it's hard not to dream a little. The Oilers were around for most of my "remember when you were a kid" years and that's just hard to let go. Doesn't make you any less of a Texans fan because some day the players on the team now will be the "remember when AJ would go up and just steal the ball from the DB"; "remember when "the Force" would average 1.5 QB helmets knocked off a game" ah those were some good times..........Oh wait they're still to come!!! Bring on next season!!

Twitch-Houston
05-11-2007, 04:35 PM
the House of Pain era for being a loud and rabid fan.

I still have a House of Pain shirt in my drawer. I can't remember where I got it, but I'm not convinced it was an "officially" licensed shirt. Probably got it from the guy on the corner.....ha ha

Texan_Bill
05-11-2007, 04:39 PM
Don't forget the rallies after losses that the Houston fans were famous for. I don't see other cities fans doing that. You know your fans are loyal when they show up in force after a big loss. I'm sick of Houston fans being called fickle etc. Hell even our own sports radio shows slam us.

I know the Texans are the here and now, but it's hard not to dream a little. The Oilers were around for most of my "remember when you were a kid" years and that's just hard to let go. Doesn't make you any less of a Texans fan because some day the players on the team now will be the "remember when AJ would go up and just steal the ball from the DB"; "remember when "the Force" would average 1.5 QB helmets knocked off a game" ah those were some good times..........Oh wait they're still to come!!! Bring on next season!!

Good post Twitch... I think you pretty much summed it up there.

As far as radio hosts.... Let's see: Rich Lord from New York, Marc Vandemeer from the Northeast. Most of those guys weren't even here for the rallies.... The question is, who is a local guy? Lance, Bob Allen, who else??

Texan_Bill
05-11-2007, 04:41 PM
I still have a House of Pain shirt in my drawer. I can't remember where I got it, but I'm not convinced it was an "officially" licensed shirt. Probably got it from the guy on the corner.....ha ha

That would be really cool if you could have had guys like Al Smith sign that shirt... How about Special Teams deamon and b/u LB Eugene Seale?

whiskeyrbl
05-11-2007, 04:46 PM
For a Texans fan board you sure do show allot of admiration for the Titans/Oilers organization. We appreciate it. In a way, allot of you are like the lost children to the Titans.

http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u13/BlazingArrow24/gotmilk.jpg
Your misconception is believing that any admiration of the memories of the Oilers has anything to do with Tennessee. We were rooting on OUR team in those days while Tennesseeians were still marrying their brothers, sisters, and cousins. Those memories happened here and ya'll just adopted them like some poor child in a bad divorce. You can rant and rave about Earls records being yours, the history of Moon and all of that.... BUT it's just words because you didn't live or feel all the emotions at the time. Hell you probably don't even know about the 2 AFL championships that the HOUSTON Oilers had. And to our satisfaction the real OILERS!!!! Campbell, Bum, Mauck wouldn't have anything to do with your lil football tribute that Bud "Azz" Adams orchestrated.
You ever heard the saying getting treated like a red headed step-child? Learn it and learn it well, because that will be the feeling down deep in the pit of your stomach after the games with us. And I will love every minute of it.

Mr. White
05-11-2007, 04:47 PM
This thread made me think of the Carl Mauck interview with John McClain on 610.

He talked about how different times were back then and the blue-collar attitude that the Oilers had back then. Most of them worked regular jobs during the offseason. The players were really impressed with the rally. They were proud of how much the city supported them.

He said that the old Oilers feel like orphans nowadays. They have no association with Nashville and they don't really get recognized by the Texans organization. He said that "it's sad."

whiskeyrbl
05-11-2007, 04:49 PM
That would be really cool if you could have had guys like Al Smith sign that shirt... How about Special Teams deamon and b/u LB Eugene Seale?
Don't forget Don Hardemann. That man was a brick wall.

YellerLotYeller
05-11-2007, 04:52 PM
Your misconception is believing that any admiration of the memories of the Oilers has anything to do with Tennessee. We were rooting on OUR team in those days while Tennesseeians were still marrying their brothers, sisters, and cousins. Those memories happened here and ya'll just adopted them like some poor child in a bad divorce.You can rant and rave about Earls records being yours, the history of Moon and all of that.... BUT it's just words because you didn't live or feel all the emotions at the time. Hell you probably don't even know about the 2 AFL championships that the HOUSTON Oilers had. And to our satisfaction the real OILERS!!!! Campbell, Bum, Mauck wouldn't have anything to do with your lil football tribute that Bud "Azz" Adams orchestrated.
You ever heard the saying getting treated like a red headed step-child? Learn it and learn it well, because that will be the feeling down deep in the pit of your stomach after the games with us. And I will love every minute of it.

Amen to that.

Double Barrel
05-11-2007, 04:52 PM
This thread made me think of the Carl Mauck interview with John McClain on 610.

He talked about how different times were back then and the blue-collar attitude that the Oilers had back then. Most of them worked regular jobs during the offseason. The players were really impressed with the rally. They were proud of how much the city supported them.

He said that the old Oilers feel like orphans nowadays. They have no association with Nashville and they don't really get recognized by the Texans organization. He said that "it's sad."

That's not completely true. The Texans have a "homecoming" game once a year where old Houston football players are signing autographs before the game and are honored at halftime.

There's not a whole lot the Texans can do when Bud controls the images and history of the team. Personally, I wish the Texans would retire the no. 34 as an homage to Earl and all the Oiler greats. It would be a nice symbolic gesture for the fans, too.

whiskeyrbl
05-11-2007, 04:53 PM
This thread made me think of the Carl Mauck interview with John McClain on 610.

He talked about how different times were back then and the blue-collar attitude that the Oilers had back then. Most of them worked regular jobs during the offseason. The players were really impressed with the rally. They were proud of how much the city supported them.

He said that the old Oilers feel like orphans nowadays. They have no association with Nashville and they don't really get recognized by the Texans organization. He said that "it's sad."
Maybe someone can write McNair and have a Tribute to Old Houston pro football greats at a game this year, don't think that would violate adams rights to that team as long as we didn't use the name Oilers. What do ya think? Maybe TC could do it she seems to have some clout.

Mr. White
05-11-2007, 04:56 PM
Maybe someone can write McNair and have a Tribute to Old Houston pro football greats at a game this year, don't think that would violate adams rights to that team as long as we didn't use the name Oilers. What do ya think? Maybe TC could do it she seems to have some clout.

They didn't do that this past season, did they? I remember they did it in '05.

whiskeyrbl
05-11-2007, 05:00 PM
They didn't do that this past season, did they? I remember they did it in '05.
I know they had players from those days to sign autographs in the Budweiser Plaza, but we need to have them introduced during halftime with clips of them on the Jumbotron. During Battle Red day against those Tacks. That would be awesome. Gives me goosebumps thinking about it.

Blazing Arrow
05-11-2007, 05:00 PM
Your misconception is believing that any admiration of the memories of the Oilers has anything to do with Tennessee. We were rooting on OUR team in those days while Tennesseeians were still marrying their brothers, sisters, and cousins. Those memories happened here and ya'll just adopted them like some poor child in a bad divorce. You can rant and rave about Earls records being yours, the history of Moon and all of that.... BUT it's just words because you didn't live or feel all the emotions at the time. Hell you probably don't even know about the 2 AFL championships that the HOUSTON Oilers had. And to our satisfaction the real OILERS!!!! Campbell, Bum, Mauck wouldn't have anything to do with your lil football tribute that Bud "Azz" Adams orchestrated.
You ever heard the saying getting treated like a red headed step-child? Learn it and learn it well, because that will be the feeling down deep in the pit of your stomach after the games with us. And I will love every minute of it.

Please, you want to get off your soap box for a sec so I can speak my peice?

Surprisingly not all fans of the Titans just became fans as the Titans moved. Some, like myself, enjoyed watching Moon and the Oilers. I remember the run and shoot days and the debacle vs Buffalo.

Being from CA I have no tie to the location of the team. If the fans don't want to goto the games or build a new stadium and they lose there team who's fault is that? When ticket prices go up do you still pay or do you protest? If you will pay the increase what was wrong with the increase just being a tax? I know I know blah blah blah about the retro to the Astro Dome, but why spend a ton of money on Reliant just a few years later that ended up costing more then Adams proposal? I know "y'all" were hurt by the decision but in hind site wouldn't it have been better to keep your team in town and save money in the process instead of starting over with another team? To keep the history, the colors, the team ..... almost seems like a cut off your nose to spite your face things but that is just my opinion on the matter.

whiskeyrbl
05-11-2007, 05:07 PM
Please, you want to get off your soap box for a sec so I can speak my peice?

Surprisingly not all fans of the Titans just became fans as the Titans moved. Some, like myself, enjoyed watching Moon and the Oilers. I remember the run and shoot days and the debacle vs Buffalo.

Being from CA I have no tie to the location of the team. If the fans don't want to goto the games or build a new stadium and they lose there team who's fault is that? When ticket prices go up do you still pay or do you protest? If you will pay the increase what was wrong with the increase just being a tax? I know I know blah blah blah about the retro to the Astro Dome, but why spend a ton of money on Reliant just a few years later that ended up costing more then Adams proposal? I know "y'all" were hurt by the decision but in hind site wouldn't it have been better to keep your team in town and save money in the process instead of starting over with another team? To keep the history, the colors, the team ..... almost seems like a cut off your nose to spite your face things but that is just my opinion on the matter.
A lil history for ya. First of all keep the colors they were gay then and still are as you wear them. The reason the Oilers left was not because of lack of fan support it was a personal conflict between Adams and the Mayor of Houston at the time. so before you try to attack US FANS maybe you ought to learn all your facts. That way you don't look so foolish. And to answer your question, yea we wanted to keep the Oilers. Just not Bud Adams.

Mr. White
05-11-2007, 05:17 PM
Being from CA I have no tie to the location of the team. If the fans don't want to goto the games or build a new stadium and they lose there team who's fault is that? When ticket prices go up do you still pay or do you protest? If you will pay the increase what was wrong with the increase just being a tax? I know I know blah blah blah about the retro to the Astro Dome, but why spend a ton of money on Reliant just a few years later that ended up costing more then Adams proposal? I know "y'all" were hurt by the decision but in hind site wouldn't it have been better to keep your team in town and save money in the process instead of starting over with another team? To keep the history, the colors, the team ..... almost seems like a cut off your nose to spite your face things but that is just my opinion on the matter.

Here's (http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=455200&postcount=62) my own take on the history. This post is from September and I was feeling pretty homerish at the time because it was so early in the season. The question was "Were the Oilers fans this negative?"

They were more negative, but that's changing lately. Texans fans will catch up soon.

While some of still may have a place for them in our hearts, they were a dysfuntional franchise. I found this out when Bum Phillips got fired. Earl Campbell got traded over a pitcher of beer. Everything was Pastorini's fault, so he got traded for a hungover QB on the decline. The yankee GM mooned a wedding party...and you guys think Casserly was awful.

Bud threatened to move the team to Jacksonville.

Bud got Glanville on the cheap, and then found out by accident that he was a good quick-fix artist. Still Glanville's behavior was typical of a dysfunctional franchise.

The Run-N-Shoot was a dysfunctional offense. It was inflexible. It couldn't make adjustments. Good defensive coordinators often knew what play was coming. Ask Bill Cowher. They never had a TE or fullback to pick up a CB blitz. IIRC, Rod Woodson got 6 sacks on Moon in one game. Moon was an awesome QB, but was oblivious to backside pressure.

The cameras liked to show Jim Eddy jumping around and screaming...then his defense made history in Buffalo. If you watch NFL Films, this is the only reference they ever even make to the Oilers. In hindsight, I think this spelled their end in Houston.

Bud threatened to move the team to Conroe and become the "Texas Oilers." I don't think that Conroe really wanted them. Nashville did.

They went to a Super Bowl because the NFL made Bud hire a guy that actually knew something about football. He got credit that Bud wanted..so now he's gone. He's got his "yes man" in Floyd Reese.

Judging from stories about Steve McNair's exit and Billy Volek's exit, these guys are still a mess. And there's no doubt who's running things.

Bud Adams defies conventional wisdom. He's always got a better way.

Now we've got a team with a better owner, a better front office, and better coaches.

And better uniforms.

:logo:

I think that I was wrong about Floyd Reese being a "yes-man" in hindsight. But that's about it.

Blazing Arrow
05-11-2007, 05:37 PM
A lil history for ya. First of all keep the colors they were gay then and still are as you wear them. The reason the Oilers left was not because of lack of fan support it was a personal conflict between Adams and the Mayor of Houston at the time. so before you try to attack US FANS maybe you ought to learn all your facts. That way you don't look so foolish. And to answer your question, yea we wanted to keep the Oilers. Just not Bud Adams.

The astro dome was empty the last season. Yes it was after the fans had been told of the move but if you loved the team and its players you still show support to the bitter end even if they are going to move. Make your protest at the games by not hitting up the concession stands but remember the real reason you went to those games was to watch the team you love not route for the city or its owner.

Before you go spouting off again with a post that hold no facts at all and just is meant to push out your chest maybe you should look at the real fact. This "conflict" you call it came about because Adams wanted a new stadium and out of the Astro Dome. Mayor McCheese would not even let it be put to a vote and said the city would not spend the money on the stadium. McCheese was but hurt because the fans/city were still paying for upgrade that were made to the dome a few years prior. Adams looked else where and was offered a new stadium and a bunch of hungry fans.

When it is all said and done if the mayor had put the proposal to the people and it passed the tax would have been less then the current tax funding Reliant. Actually understanding your side of the argument helps allot here and marking someone as "looking foolish" just because you did not understand what there were talking about does not make you look so bright.

Raider fans want the Raiders but not Al Davis, but since he is forking out the money and is the owner what are you going to do. Either you like the team or you don't the owner can make mistakes but it is still your team.

Overalls
05-11-2007, 05:49 PM
This article is a must read by those who think Dud is some angle all of this.

It is writen from the point of view of a business man, not a fan. It is writen without ties to Houston OR Trashville.

http://www.fee.org/publications/the-freeman/article.asp?aid=3344

whiskeyrbl
05-11-2007, 05:51 PM
The astro dome was empty the last season. Yes it was after the fans had been told of the move but if you loved the team and its players you still show support to the bitter end even if they are going to move. Make your protest at the games by not hitting up the concession stands but remember the real reason you went to those games was to watch the team you love not route for the city or its owner.

Before you go spouting off again with a post that hold no facts at all and just is meant to push out your chest maybe you should look at the real fact. This "conflict" you call it came about because Adams wanted a new stadium and out of the Astro Dome. Mayor McCheese would not even let it be put to a vote and said the city would not spend the money on the stadium. McCheese was but hurt because the fans/city were still paying for upgrade that were made to the dome a few years prior. Adams looked else where and was offered a new stadium and a bunch of hungry fans.

When it is all said and done if the mayor had put the proposal to the people and it passed the tax would have been less then the current tax funding Reliant. Actually understanding your side of the argument helps allot here and marking someone as "looking foolish" just because you did not understand what there were talking about does not make you look so bright.

Raider fans want the Raiders but not Al Davis, but since he is forking out the money and is the owner what are you going to do. Either you like the team or you don't the owner can make mistakes but it is still your team.

I do know the facts, the facts are the feud was long started before the stadium debate. I don't need some Cali dude to try to tell me something I lived though. And as far as going to the games I was not about to line that horses Azz pockets with any of my hard earned money knowing this team was gone. Do some more research and then come back to me and try to dispute my FACTS!!!! And make it worth my while and try to have some of your own.

Blazing Arrow
05-11-2007, 05:53 PM
Mr. White, while I respect your opinion but your point about McNair and Volek and not accurate. McNair and his agent knew going into the season there was no way he was going to be on the team unless he drastically renegotiated his contract. McNair did not want to lose the money and knew he was destine to be a backup with the emanate drafting of a rookie QB (Young in this case). So McNairs options were to play a year as a starter mentoring Young with a team in a building phase and take a pay cut or make one last push on another team in hopes to get a ring and keep the money. McNair chose the money. I do not blame him; I donít think anyone at the Titans organization blames him. Reese was one of the main reasons we could not keep McNair; he negotiated the contract that pushed the Titans into cap hell and ultimately cost use both Dysons, Rolle, DMase, and others. It is nice when you hate someone as much as Adams to blame him for things like this but he was only signing the check not making the contracts. In the end if the Titans had kept McNair we would have had to cut several players or not sign Young. So we keep an aging injury prone QB or we look to the future. I loved McNair as a Titan but I understand why he could not stay.

Volek is a moron. He threw his team under the bus and had a tantrum missing meeting and lying about where he was. He also got in a verbal argument with Chow that Fisher walked in on. Volek though he would get a chance to start and the coaches though Young would be ready to start before the end of the season. Then Volek got traded away and he bitches and moans to the press. Funny how Fisher blasted him after words and Volek was no place to be found. Where is he now BTW? The Burger King in San Diego has been looking for him for a while. Fries do not cook themselves. We have enough locker room BS without some hack want to be running his mouth ever chance he gets.

ChildressTitanMan
05-11-2007, 05:54 PM
it's just words because you didn't live or feel all the emotions at the time. Hell you probably don't even know about the 2 AFL championships that the HOUSTON Oilers had.

Quite a few of us 'TENNheads':listening were Oilers fans. The only reason the Texans haven't left Houston yet is no city is dumb enough to take them.


You ever heard the saying getting treated like a red headed step-child? Learn it and learn it well, because that will be the feeling down deep in the pit of your stomach after the games with us. And I will love every minute of it.

Good luck with that,let's take a look at your O line for this year:bat:
http://www.argo217.k12.il.us/departs/english/blettiere/451_sieve.jpg

76Texan
05-11-2007, 06:06 PM
This article is a must read by those who think Dud is some angle all of this.

It is writen from the point of view of a business man, not a fan. It is writen without ties to Houston OR Trashville.

http://www.fee.org/publications/the-freeman/article.asp?aid=3344

I witnessed the UH Cougars joining the old SWC in 1976, and then going at it with Earl Campbell, and then pullled for him with the Oilers.

NO to Bud, despite the good things he brought to the city early on.

Blazing Arrow
05-11-2007, 06:08 PM
I do know the facts, the facts are the feud was long started before the stadium debate. I don't need some Cali dude to try to tell me something I lived though. And as far as going to the games I was not about to line that horses Azz pockets with any of my hard earned money knowing this team was gone. Do some more research and then come back to me and try to dispute my FACTS!!!! And make it worth my while and try to have some of your own.

http://www.gotitans.com/goForum/showpost.php?p=276875&postcount=77

I do not want to regurgitate this great post by Childress but it shows a trend with fan loyalty. It was not just a Bud said they are going so now we are not going to go it is actually poor attendance that drove him away. How does a team make the playoffs 7 consecutive seasons and only have a 22 ranking among fan loyalty? But I guess the sited professor is not "fact" enough for you. I like you also provide nothing to support you argument other then "you lived there" and me living in "CA" makes me uninformed. Surprisingly if you follow a team even back in the 90s you could get information about them. No pony express or carrier pigeon required. Just pick up a newspapers...

76Texan
05-11-2007, 06:09 PM
Quite a few of us 'TENNheads':listening were Oilers fans. The only reason the Texans haven't left Houston yet is no city is dumb enough to take them.




Good luck with that,let's take a look at your O line for this year:bat:
http://www.argo217.k12.il.us/departs/english/blettiere/451_sieve.jpg
This is really LOW!

Bipolar The Titan
05-11-2007, 06:12 PM
:heart: http://cityrag.blogs.com/photos/uncategorized/texans.jpg:whip:

ChildressTitanMan
05-11-2007, 06:15 PM
This is really LOW!

Your right.

I went too far in mentioning your O line.lol:

Blazing Arrow
05-11-2007, 06:15 PM
This is really LOW!

as low as?

We were rooting on OUR team in those days while Tennesseeians were still marrying their brothers, sisters, and cousins. .

I think moching a record setting sacks allowed Oline for multiple seasons is a little more on the mark then hill-billy smack.

76Texan
05-11-2007, 06:16 PM
http://www.gotitans.com/goForum/showpost.php?p=276875&postcount=77

I do not want to regurgitate this great post by Childress but it shows a trend with fan loyalty. It was not just a Bud said they are going so now we are not going to go it is actually poor attendance that drove him away. How does a team make the playoffs 7 consecutive seasons and only have a 22 ranking among fan loyalty? But I guess the sited professor is not "fact" enough for you. I like you also provide nothing to support you argument other then "you lived there" and me living in "CA" makes me uninformed. Surprisingly if you follow a team even back in the 90s you could get information about them. No pony express or carrier pigeon required. Just pick up a newspapers...
we can always come back to this because it takes longer.

let's just see what's in the now.

http://www.bizjournals.com/specials/pages/33.html#l

Texans 1st, Titans last in the AFC South

Overalls
05-11-2007, 06:16 PM
[QUOTE=Blazing Arrow;665304 How does a team make the playoffs 7 consecutive seasons and only have a 22 ranking among fan loyalty? [/QUOTE]

You have got to be smarter than that. Any one who lived here knows what happend. 90-97. One of those years the team wasn't even in Houston. For 1 and a half it was after Dud traitered out the team. Not to mention the greatest choke job in history and the fact that the fans were still realing after Dud threatened move to Jacksonville. Sorry the TENNheads can say what they want to make themselves feel better, but Dud just went there for the money, like any prostitute and he will leave for the same reason. He won't even live there because he knows it is just some backwoods hick city full of inbreads.

76Texan
05-11-2007, 06:21 PM
as low as?



I think moching a record setting sacks allowed Oline for multiple seasons is a little more on the mark then hill-billy smack.

As LOWWWW as one can go considering this is not even Rivalry Talk or Smack Talk.

Blazing Arrow
05-11-2007, 06:26 PM
we can always come back to this because it takes longer.

let's just see what's in the now.

http://www.bizjournals.com/specials/pages/33.html#l

Texans 1st, Titans last in the AFC South

The Titans are still paying for their past. They drew horribly during their first season in Tennessee, 1997, saddling them with the NFL's worst year-to-year fluctuation rate

We were still washing the stink off from the Houston revolution.

76Texan
05-11-2007, 06:28 PM
We were still washing the stink off from the Houston revolution.

ten years and still not realizing the poison! ouch!

talk about d..b

Blazing Arrow
05-11-2007, 06:28 PM
As LOWWWW as one can go considering this is not even Rivalry Talk or Smack Talk.

The first rock was thrown by a Texans fan and have still continued through the thread. At least Childress' comment related to football.

Bipolar The Titan
05-11-2007, 06:29 PM
but Dud just went there for the money, like any prostitute and he will leave for the same reason. He won't even live there because he knows it is just some backwoods hick city full of inbreads.
http://www.coltfreaks.com/forum/showthread.php?p=76330&posted=1#post76330
backwoods hick city full of inbreads.
so what? you just described Indianapolis.

and you spelled inbreds wrong. I'm just kidding. I mean, you really spelled it wrong I just think the irony that lies in me pointing out, being an inbred and all is kinda funny... you know, in a self deprecating kind of way that is void of any actual arrogance.

Prostitute? That's Bud Adams eh? Well Bud doesn't do anal. That's what Houstonians wanted. Bud knew he could blow Nashville for good money and find a good place to turn tricks. How about that? Feel free to respond within the confines of the metaphor.:pirate:

Blazing Arrow
05-11-2007, 06:30 PM
ten years and still not realizing the poison! ouch!

talk about d..b

The shininess of our AFC Championship ring, tie for best record over a 4 season span in history, and our many playoff appearances keeps us distracted I guess.

ChildressTitanMan
05-11-2007, 06:35 PM
We were still washing the stink off from the Houston revolution.

Precisely.

The 98'-08' stat will show a different story.

There also the fact that the Texans can only base fan loyalty on 7 home games until Vince Young retires.:perfect10:

76Texan
05-11-2007, 06:39 PM
The shininess of our AFC Championship ring, tie for best record over a 4 season span in history, and our many playoff appearances keeps us distracted I guess.

talking out of both ends... nevermind.

76Texan
05-11-2007, 06:47 PM
Precisely.

The 98'-08' stat will show a different story.

There also the fact that the Texans can only base fan loyalty on 7 home games until Vince Young retires.:perfect10:

It is true that the Titans attendance had stabilized after the first couple of years, we must not forget that a team with a winning record will definitely help in that regard.

On the other hand, a 2-14 season in 1994 did not help in Houston.
That followed by consecutive non-winning seasons and increasing anti-Bud feelings spelt doom for the franchise. How can you ask for more while performance on the field is weak, that was as elementary as can be.

76Texan
05-11-2007, 06:51 PM
For a Texans fan board you sure do show allot of admiration for the Titans/Oilers organization. We appreciate it. In a way, allot of you are like the lost children to the Titans.

http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u13/BlazingArrow24/gotmilk.jpg

Tis the first rock! :gun:

GuerillaBlack
05-11-2007, 06:54 PM
http://www.gotitans.com/goForum/showpost.php?p=276875&postcount=77

I do not want to regurgitate this great post by Childress but it shows a trend with fan loyalty. It was not just a Bud said they are going so now we are not going to go it is actually poor attendance that drove him away. How does a team make the playoffs 7 consecutive seasons and only have a 22 ranking among fan loyalty? But I guess the sited professor is not "fact" enough for you. I like you also provide nothing to support you argument other then "you lived there" and me living in "CA" makes me uninformed. Surprisingly if you follow a team even back in the 90s you could get information about them. No pony express or carrier pigeon required. Just pick up a newspapers...

You have got to be kidding me.

ChildressTitanMan
05-11-2007, 06:54 PM
You have to hand it to Bud though, he sure knows how to push Houston fans buttons.

Drafting Young after Houston chose not to was a genius move.

Blazing Arrow
05-11-2007, 07:02 PM
Tis the first rock! :gun:

Was more of a water balloon :shades:

GuerillaBlack
05-11-2007, 07:04 PM
You have to hand it to Bud though, he sure knows how to push Houston fans buttons.

Drafting Young after Houston chose not to was a genius move.

Or that he was the best available.

Some of you Titan fans are funny. There is a reason why Earl Campbell wants nothing to do with that organization, yet you try to claim him as your own. Many other Oiler greats as well. Do you think anyone in Tennessee cared when Warren Moon was inducted to your little Hall of Fame. You have no memories of him.

Specnatz
05-11-2007, 07:13 PM
Quite a few of us 'TENNheads':listening were Oilers fans. The only reason the Texans haven't left Houston yet is no city is dumb enough to take them.



I guess selling out every single game has nothing to do with, typical titans fan, ignore facts just so you can act like jerk. Typical.

ChildressTitanMan
05-11-2007, 07:16 PM
Or that he was the best available.

Some of you Titan fans are funny. There is a reason why Earl Campbell wants nothing to do with that organization, yet you try to claim him as your own. Many other Oiler greats as well. Do you think anyone in Tennessee cared when Warren Moon was inducted to your little Hall of Fame. You have no memories of him.

Yeah right,that's why on two occasions I traveled half way round the world to watch the Oilers play.

Don't judge a book by it's cover.

76Texan
05-11-2007, 07:26 PM
Was more of a water balloon :shades:
spinning as well as Bush (BOTH of them) won't get you out of that one, nevertheless!

ChildressTitanMan
05-11-2007, 07:29 PM
I guess selling out every single game has nothing to do with, typical titans fan, ignore facts just so you can act like jerk. Typical.

Atypical actually.

Ignoring facts,not reading the post.:potkettle:

Bud:I want a new stadium.

Houston: No way,we're still paying for those luxury boxes & you took away our scoreboard.

Bud:Well then I'm leaving.

Houston:Good riddance.

Time marches on with no football.

Houston:what do we need to get a new football team?

NFL: A new stadium.

Houston: Oh snap

Now that's a sell out

76Texan
05-11-2007, 07:38 PM
You have to hand it to Bud though, he sure knows how to push Houston fans buttons.

Drafting Young after Houston chose not to was a genius move.
Not MINE!

Maybe you want to claim the Genius Award over Bud, thinking it well deserving, well yeah I give you both that, great men think alike.. and I will also sing you a lullaby... wait, you both been singing to yourself.

pulling out one the oldest trick in the world and proclaiming it genius, WOW, I never thought that BUTTON can ever be of use since highschool. That is pure genius, what else can I say.

76Texan
05-11-2007, 07:42 PM
Atypical actually.

Ignoring facts,not reading the post.:potkettle:

Bud:I want a new stadium.

Houston: No way,we're still paying for those luxury boxes & you took away our scoreboard.

Bud:Well then I'm leaving.

Houston:Good riddance.

Time marches on with no football.

Houston:what do we need to get a new football team?

NFL: A new stadium.

Houston: Oh snap

Now that's a sell out

NO HOSTAGE!

ChildressTitanMan
05-11-2007, 07:45 PM
Not MINE!

Maybe you want to claim the Genius Award over Bud, thinking it well deserving, well yeah I give you both that, great men think alike.. and I will also sing you a lullaby... wait, you both been singing to yourself.

pulling out one the oldest trick in the world and proclaiming it genius, WOW, I never thought that BUTTON can ever be of use since highschool. That is pure genius, what else can I say.

I never made it to high school.
http://www.strangevehicles.com/images/content/13829.JPG

Honoring Earl 34
05-11-2007, 07:46 PM
Atypical actually.

Ignoring facts,not reading the post.:potkettle:

Bud:I want a new stadium.

Houston: No way,we're still paying for those luxury boxes & you took away our scoreboard.

Bud:Well then I'm leaving.

Houston:Good riddance.

Time marches on with no football.

Houston:what do we need to get a new football team?

NFL: A new stadium.

Houston: Oh snap

Now that's a sell out

The people of Houston were asked to build a new stadium after a 2-14 season . That was the line drawn in the sand .... most folks said and would still say good riddance .

I think the Oilers used the #3 pick on Mcnair because Carolina and Jacksonville had 1 and 2 . Carolina traded said pick to the Bengals to draft Kijana Carter . Anyway this was the Titans good fortune because he along with Eddie George were the real deal .

Anyway in the 80's Bud had a loaded team with an accountant for a GM and a coach who left tickets for Elvis at games . If Bud had a football guy in place as the GM ... the Oilers might have won a SB .

The Titan fans will find out soon enough when Bud stars meddling again .

ChildressTitanMan
05-11-2007, 07:53 PM
Anyway in the 80's Bud had a loaded team with an accountant for a GM and a coach who left tickets for Elvis at games . If Bud had a football guy in place as the GM ... the Oilers might have won a SB .



Very true Earl.

His worst meddling was the Bum Phillips years.

Vinny
05-11-2007, 07:57 PM
Mike Holovak was one of the great football talent scouts of my time....Bud had an excellent "football guy" in Holovak till he retired.

Honoring Earl 34
05-11-2007, 08:00 PM
Very true Earl.

His worst meddling was the Bum Phillips years.

He let Herzeg talk him into firing Bum and hiring Ed Biles . The team started thr downhill spiral right there .

It's deeper than that though because I think Bum was feeling pressure from Lad and traded #1 picks for washed up vets because he had to win now . So they became a bad team that was old and no picks . I think one year there first pick of the draft was Mike Stensrud in the 3rd round .

Honoring Earl 34
05-11-2007, 08:01 PM
Mike Holovak was one of the great football talent scouts of my time....Bud had an excellent "football guy" in Holovak till he retired.

Holovak was great and he built that team . It's when Herzeg took over that the poop hit the fan .

ChildressTitanMan
05-11-2007, 08:03 PM
Bedtime.

1am here.

:zzz:

Vinny
05-11-2007, 08:06 PM
He won't even live there because he knows it is just some backwoods hick city full of inbreads.
if you are going to insult people via geography, you may want to type inbred correctly so you don't look bad (unless you meant that they lived in loaves of whole wheat bread). I lived in Nashville for two years and found the City very cosmopolitan and with lots of new money and much more progressive than I ever imagined...but I had to live there to experience this...one of my favorite cities in the USA, and I've lived all over the states.

GuerillaBlack
05-11-2007, 08:16 PM
if you are going to insult people via geography, you may want to type inbred correctly so you don't look bad (unless you meant that they lived in loaves of whole wheat bread). I lived in Nashville for two years and found the City very cosmopolitan and with lots of new money and much more progressive than I ever imagined...but I had to live there to experience this...one of my favorite cities in the USA, and I've lived all over the states.
I have family there. It is nice, but isn't cosmopolitan. With an area population of barely over one million, it is not that big of a surprise. You go ten miles south of Downtown, and you are almost in the country.

Vinny
05-11-2007, 08:25 PM
I have family there. It is nice, but isn't cosmopolitan. With an area population of barely over one million, it is not that big of a surprise. You go ten miles south of Downtown, and you are almost in the country.Ten miles south of downtown is Brentwood....a very nice, upscale subdivision.

I lived there for two years and didn't miss anything "city"...and I've lived in Houston, LA, and right outside of Boston. We have a higher "redneck factor" (nothing against rednecks....half my family are comprised of 'necks) here in Houston.

GuerillaBlack
05-11-2007, 08:29 PM
Ten miles south of downtown is Brentwood....a very nice, upscale subdivision.

I lived there for two years and didn't miss anything "city"...and I've lived in Houston, LA, and right outside of Boston. We have a higher "redneck factor" (nothing against rednecks....half my family are comprised of 'necks) here in Houston.
Yeah I know. That is where the mountains are. I may have exagerrated a tad. but I have family down that way, it feels rural.

Can't believe you cannot tell the difference in "city" between the cities you have lived in. LA eats Nashville for lunch. Houston? Same thing. I like the diversity and stuff in the major American cities more than the mid-sized ones (Nashville, San Antonio, etc.).

Vinny
05-11-2007, 08:32 PM
I may not think that ridiculous traffic and oppressive smog are things that make a town cosmopolitan (I really meant that it was much more cosmopolitan than I perceived before I lived there - not that it's just like Houston or LA). I went to NFL games, saw NHL games, saw big time SEC football every weekend....saw outstanding live entertainment...Nashville radio was outstanding as the rock scene was not on the back burner like I thought it would be (due to the huge country music scene) before I lived there. I didn't miss much living in Goodlettsville (about 15 mins north of the stadium) for a couple of years....would love to move back if I had the right job.

Honoring Earl 34
05-11-2007, 08:37 PM
I like Tennessee ... I think it has a certain charm to it . I don't like deep south culture in some places .

A big city like Houston , LA , Philly are going to be much more aggressive ... faster if you will . The older I get the more I don't like that .

Blazing Arrow
05-11-2007, 10:12 PM
See deep in your heart you love the Titans. They are not your favorite sibling and you have fought on occasion but they are sill your big brother. :cry2:

You didn't chose the Texans the Texans chose you!

With Young now on the Titans it's time to forgive and forget. Oiler fans, you are welcome to bring your tenacity back to the true Luv Ya' Blue. We understand why you were hurt and we welcome you back no questions asked.
:secret:

Overalls
05-11-2007, 10:18 PM
if you are going to insult people via geography, you may want to type inbred correctly so you don't look bad.

Sorry for my misspelling Vinny. I am not as familiar with the mating habits of the Appalachian folk as some seem to be here. I would read up on it but I really don't care to be more knowledgable on the subject. Feel free to carry on though.

Overalls
05-11-2007, 10:21 PM
See deep in your heart you love the Titans. They are not your favorite sibling and you have fought on occasion but they are sill your big brother. :cry2:

You didn't chose the Texans the Texans chose you!

With Young now on the Titans it's time to forgive and forget. Oiler fans, you are welcome to bring your tenacity back to the true Luv Ya' Blue. We understand why you were hurt and we welcome you back no questions asked.
:secret:

If you understood you would not even type the statement. No self respecting Texan could ever root for that turncoat team.

76Texan
05-12-2007, 12:22 AM
I never made it to high school.
http://www.strangevehicles.com/images/content/13829.JPG

no comment!

Blazing Arrow
05-12-2007, 01:49 AM
If you understood you would not even type the statement. No self respecting Texan could ever root for that turncoat team.

Don't ask don't tell ... we don't judge fans by state.:whip:

Scooter
05-12-2007, 02:04 AM
thanks for the pics guerillablack.

maybe i'm just young enough not to care, but for me it's good riddance. we survived a few years without football to be in a better situation. bud didnt take our memories, he didnt take our legends, he didnt take anything but a shade of blue and an oil derrick helmet. we still have the dome. we still have earl campbell. and because of lanier taking a stand, we now have the texans. we have reliant stadium. we have demeco ryans and andre johnson (they have pacman). the only thing we dont have yet is in the win column but i'm not naive enough to think that there wont be rough patches ... we're just getting them out of the way at the beginning. i love the old oilers and always will, but that team retired, they didnt move. the only thing that moved is bud adams, and that's Christmas in houston. the titans are a new team that are trying to impose a history that they dont know. any oilers fan old enough to walk should know who elvin bethea is, however he's a questionmark in tennessee.

You didn't chose the Texans the Texans chose you!

actually we did choose the texans and chose against bud. of course we like to reminisce about our old team, but we got what we wanted in bob mcnair and the houston texans.

HARRYJ
05-12-2007, 09:44 AM
See deep in your heart you love the Titans. They are not your favorite sibling and you have fought on occasion but they are sill your big brother. :cry2:

You didn't chose the Texans the Texans chose you!

With Young now on the Titans it's time to forgive and forget. Oiler fans, you are welcome to bring your tenacity back to the true Luv Ya' Blue. We understand why you were hurt and we welcome you back no questions asked.
:secret:

I don't think I like the tone you have adopted here.

GuerillaBlack
05-12-2007, 11:25 AM
I may not think that ridiculous traffic and oppressive smog are things that make a town cosmopolitan (I really meant that it was much more cosmopolitan than I perceived before I lived there - not that it's just like Houston or LA). I went to NFL games, saw NHL games, saw big time SEC football every weekend....saw outstanding live entertainment...Nashville radio was outstanding as the rock scene was not on the back burner like I thought it would be (due to the huge country music scene) before I lived there. I didn't miss much living in Goodlettsville (about 15 mins north of the stadium) for a couple of years....would love to move back if I had the right job.

Of course that isn't what makes a city. The people, international culture, among other things make a city. Nashville is a nice American city, though.

Overalls
05-12-2007, 09:05 PM
Don't ask don't tell ... we don't judge fans by state.:whip:

RIGHT. Like I don't remember the anti-Texas statements you've made.

Brando
05-12-2007, 09:29 PM
The only reason the Texans haven't left Houston yet is no city is dumb enough to take them.






Seems your city was dumb enough to take the Oilers and Dud Adams.:pirate:

Blazing Arrow
05-13-2007, 02:43 PM
RIGHT. Like I don't remember the anti-Texas statements you've made.

You know I am better then that. If state hate gets sent at me I can show I can stoop to that level but I am never the first person to start it. I come on these board to talk football not BS stereotyping about the general location someone comes from.

HARRYJ
05-13-2007, 03:14 PM
I have seen BA turn pretty quick but on the whole he is here to talk football.

HARRYJ
05-13-2007, 03:14 PM
Arrow, check your PM.

Wolf
05-13-2007, 04:13 PM
I don't know how accurate or up to date this is.

Adams alienated many fans in Houston with his questionable decisions, including firing the extremely popular Bum Phillips and threatening in 1987 to move the team to Jacksonville, Florida if improvements were not made to the Astrodome. The city agreed to pay $67 million in renovations which included the removal of the iconic center field scoreboard. When the city refused to help finance a new stadium just a few years later, he moved the franchise to Tennessee for the 1997 season. After playing two season as the Tennessee Oilers, they were renamed the Tennessee Titans in 1999. The city of Houston is still paying back the debt from the renovations they made to the Astrodome in 1987.

that is kinda what I remember but the bold part is troubling to me (if it is true)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Houston_Texans

But like Earl said, Bud lost leverage to ask for a new stadium after a 2-14 season(esp after the city renovated), you just don't see it happening on any sports level, unless it is an expansion team.

Blazing Arrow
05-13-2007, 10:31 PM
The 30 year bond associated witht he renovations is still on the books. Until 2017 I might add.

Texan_Bill
05-14-2007, 11:47 AM
Atypical actually.

Ignoring facts,not reading the post.:potkettle:

Bud:I want a new stadium.

Houston: No way,we're still paying for those luxury boxes & you took away our scoreboard.

Bud:Well then I'm leaving.

Houston:Good riddance.

Time marches on with no football.

Houston:what do we need to get a new football team?

NFL: A new stadium.

Houston: Oh snap

Now that's a sell out

Uhhhhhhh, thats revisionist history.............

(Circa 1988)
Hair Piece: I want to rip out the vaunted pinball machine and add 10,000 seats... or I am moving to Jacksonville..... Oh, and by the way, tax payers of Harris County are going to pay for it....
Mayor: Sure... Lets keep the Oilers here, rather than losing them to Jacksonville....

(Circa 1993/94)
Hair Piece: I want a new stadium and don't care that the renovations to the dome are not paid off yet..... Oh, and by the way, tax payers of Harris County are going to still pay for the renovation AND the new stadium....

Mayor Bob:
I don't think so....

Hair Piece:
Maybe I can use Drayton McClane or the Rockets Owner to partner up with me since I am already despised in this town...

Rockets and Astros Owners: Uh, no... You are flying solo... we're NOT going lie with a dog that has fleas...

Mayor Bob: Well I guess you better figure out a way to finance this deal without the taxpayers flipping the bill one more time...

Hair Piece: Well, no one in this town likes or respects me, so I guess I will have to take the team somewhere, where they want to hand-out corporate welfare...

Mayor McTooth of Nashville: Our citizens have no idea what they are being taxed on anyways... so c'mon bud. We will flip the entire bill for the stadium, you can have ALL of the revenue AND the city will gaurantee sell outs for the first 10 years...

Houston: Good Riddance!! (Nice to see you got that part correct)

Astros: We got our stadium deal done...
Rockets: We got our arena deal done....

Bob McNair: Well, I have $750,000,000.00 to buy a team if we can get a stadium deal done....(stadium deal in place using tax money from rental cars and hotels AND the HLSR kicking in)

NFL: Good job Bob, you now own the 32nd franchise in the NFL

Houston: *rejoices* Well, its been a few years without football, but the reward far outweighs sacrifice - especially knowing that Hair Piece has nothing to do with it....

Honoring Earl 34
05-14-2007, 12:12 PM
You know Bud's not getting any younger ... so who's taking over the team when he's gone ?

GuerillaBlack
05-19-2007, 11:51 AM
I don't know, but hopefully the new owner is nicer and gives us our records.

Blazing Arrow
05-19-2007, 01:06 PM
I don't know, but hopefully the new owner is nicer and gives us our records.

Currently the Texans hold the record for most sacks allowed in a season and the longest term of an expansion team not to at least make the playoffs.

GuerillaBlack
05-19-2007, 03:44 PM
Currently the Texans hold the record for most sacks allowed in a season and the longest term of an expansion team not to at least make the playoffs.

Also, considering the first expansion teams had more benefits than the Texans.

Vinny
05-19-2007, 04:45 PM
Currently the Texans hold the record for most sacks allowed in a season and the longest term of an expansion team not to at least make the playoffs.actually you are mistaken. The Eagles hold the record for sacks given up for a team in one year (Cunningham and Jawarski). Carr holds the individual record...but he plays in Carolina now....lord help their poor linemen.

HARRYJ
05-19-2007, 06:09 PM
Carr won't be playing in Carolina unless that line get #1 all busted up and then they will deserve what they get!

Overalls
05-19-2007, 06:32 PM
I don't know, but hopefully the new owner is nicer and gives us our records.

We, as Oiler fans, already have the Oiler records. The team died and nolonger exist. The Tennessee Turncoats are a different team living on another teams past. Thus they will never win a Super Bowl till they realize the wrongs we were done. Even when Duds contract with Satan is up and he passes away, that team is doomed.

Texan_Bill
05-21-2007, 11:23 AM
Currently the Texans hold the record for most sacks allowed in a season and the longest term of an expansion team not to at least make the playoffs.

If you are going to try to use stats, you may want to do research. The Eagles hold the record for allowing the most sacks in a single season AND the Cardinals are second...

*EDIT* I see where Vinny corrected you about the Eagles, but he didnt even make mention that the Cardinals were second on that list.

Texan_Bill
05-21-2007, 11:36 AM
Currently the Texans hold the record for most sacks allowed in a season and the longest term of an expansion team not to at least make the playoffs.

Again, if you are going to try to use stats or whatever, you may want to do some research... A team kinda close to your neck of the woods (Seatle Seahawks) didnt reach the play-offs until their 8th season (1983).

Double Barrel
05-21-2007, 01:01 PM
Currently the Texans hold the record for most sacks allowed in a season and the longest term of an expansion team not to at least make the playoffs.


YOUR franchise holds the record of all negative records: THE BIGGEST CHOKE IN NFL HISTORY.

Embrace it, because it's yours. Love it, because it's your team's history. Revel in it, because your team always finds a way to choke.

So do you watch the NFL Films version of 35-3 every year? Do you flip on ESPN Classics and see the old Oiler unis and think "Hey, there's my team!"

Because if you don't, you're not a diehard fan of your franchise. Without embracing the dubious past along with the glorious history, you're nothing but a bandwagon fan of a chump franchise owned by a man that doesn't know how to conduct himself in any sense of the term "ethical behavior".

All of your revisionist history aside (which is the majority of it), you should do some more research into the subject. Read John Pirckle's book sometime for a revealing journey of your owner's checkered past. You might not be so quick to spew nonsense defending the guy if you had an inkling of the truth in your perspective.

infantrycak
05-21-2007, 01:10 PM
Currently the Texans hold the record for most sacks allowed in a season

Not even close to correct. Houston gave up 76 sacks in 2002. Arizona gave up 78 in 1997 and the Eagles gave up a whopping 104 in 1986.

gwallaia
05-21-2007, 01:19 PM
Sake - I seem to recall Bud retained rights to the name, colors, and history when he took his ball and (went to someone else's) home. waaaaaah ah ah ah ah

I never knew that song had words to it.

Twitch-Houston
05-21-2007, 01:44 PM
YOUR franchise holds the record of all negative records: THE BIGGEST CHOKE IN NFL HISTORY.

Embrace it, because it's yours. Love it, because it's your team's history. Revel in it, because your team always finds a way to choke.

So do you watch the NFL Films version of 35-3 every year? Do you flip on ESPN Classics and see the old Oiler unis and think "Hey, there's my team!"

Because if you don't, you're not a diehard fan of your franchise. Without embracing the dubious past along with the glorious history, you're nothing but a bandwagon fan of a chump franchise owned by a man that doesn't know how to conduct himself in any sense of the term "ethical behavior".

All of your revisionist history aside (which is the majority of it), you should do some more research into the subject. Read John Pirckle's book sometime for a revealing journey of your owner's checkered past. You might not be so quick to spew nonsense defending the guy if you had an inkling of the truth in your perspective.


I think this post sums it up. I'd like to know how many Titan fans watch reruns of that game and get sick to their stomach as some of us old Oiler fans do. That's a telling tail of fandom. I guarantee it doesn't hit them the way it STILL hits us. :gun: Then tell us who the history belongs to.

Texan_Bill
05-21-2007, 01:49 PM
Currently the Texans hold the record for most sacks allowed in a season and the longest term of an expansion team not to at least make the playoffs.

So far,
Vinny
Texan_Bill
Gwallia
Double Barrell,
Infantrycak, and
Overalls

have corrected you on your quoted post above.... Want to keep playing?? C'mon, we know people in NOCal know trivia....

Blazing Arrow
05-21-2007, 03:56 PM
So far,
Vinny
Texan_Bill
Gwallia
Double Barrell,
Infantrycak, and
Overalls

have corrected you on your quoted post above.... Want to keep playing?? C'mon, we know people in NOCal know trivia....

Wow I just checked this thread. All up in arms about your sack total huh? You would all agree that the sack leader for one person would be Carr though correct?

Blazing Arrow
05-21-2007, 03:59 PM
Again, if you are going to try to use stats or whatever, you may want to do some research... A team kinda close to your neck of the woods (Seatle Seahawks) didnt reach the play-offs until their 8th season (1983).

I believe the stat I was looking for was most winless seasons by an expansion team. But good catch! :texflag:

Twitch-Houston
05-21-2007, 04:09 PM
I believe the stat I was looking for was most winless seasons by an expansion team. But good catch! :texflag:

Did you mean the most without a "winning" season or most "winless" seasons. The Texans have no "winless" seasons and off the top of my head the Cowboys went from 1960 to 1966 without a winning season. Could be wrong but that sounds right. Don't know who would be tops in that category though.

-Twitch

infantrycak
05-21-2007, 04:16 PM
New Orleans started in 1967 and didn't have a winning season until 1987.

Blazing Arrow
05-21-2007, 04:18 PM
The moon is made of cheese

Twitch-Houston
05-21-2007, 04:20 PM
New Orleans started in 1967 and didn't have a winning season until 1987.

Yea I just wanted to mention the Cowboys losing seasons for fun. :texflag:

Specnatz
05-21-2007, 04:22 PM
I believe the stat I was looking for was most winless seasons by an expansion team. But good catch! :texflag:

So far you can't get anything right the Denver Broncos never had a winning season in the AFL and that was 9 years, then AFL and NFL merged before the 1970 season.

Of course your view of history would also leave out the simple fact that the rules for an expansion team was changed right before the Texans came into exsistance to make harder for an expansion team to build a team, but that little fact does not fit with your world and revisionist of history.

Texan_Bill
05-21-2007, 04:34 PM
I believe the stat I was looking for was most winless seasons by an expansion team. But good catch! :texflag:

Sorry Arrow, you just struck out, because the Cowgurls had their first non-losing season during their 6th season in which they went 7-7. The Cleveland Rams did not have a winning season until their 8th season. Certainly you can not forget about the New Orleans Saints who took 13 years to have their first non-losing season...

(Yes - I said the Cleveland Rams)

Texan_Bill
05-21-2007, 04:36 PM
Wow I just checked this thread. All up in arms about your sack total huh? You would all agree that the sack leader for one person would be Carr though correct?

C'mon Arrow. You know me better than that. I am up in arms, because for whatever reason, you are WAY off your game...

Blazing Arrow
05-21-2007, 06:36 PM
C'mon Arrow. You know me better than that. I am up in arms, because for whatever reason, you are WAY off your game...

To be honest I just regurgitated it from another site. I was bored and it seemed about right. I had forgot about NO and Dallas, though.

Work has been busy so I have to ninja post if I post at all.

Overalls
05-21-2007, 06:47 PM
To be honest I just regurgitated it from another site. I was bored and it seemed about right. I had forgot about NO and Dallas, though.

Work has been busy so I have to ninja post if I post at all.

I understand Blazing Arrow. I have been playing nice on the Titans site the last few days.

Blazing Arrow
05-21-2007, 07:45 PM
I understand Blazing Arrow. I have been playing nice on the Titans site the last few days.

I noticed the post at the Texans event. Looked like a good time. I was going to try and get one of our better Photoshoppers to put you in Oilers Jersey and a derek on the head, thought it would be funny.

Overalls
05-21-2007, 08:17 PM
I noticed the post at the Texans event. Looked like a good time. I was going to try and get one of our better Photoshoppers to put you in Oilers Jersey and a derek on the head, thought it would be funny.

I got one of me standing on the 50 yard line in the Dome when we drafted McNair.

That was the only draft party I remember Bud throwing.