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Errant Hothy
05-02-2007, 10:05 AM
Round 1
Amobi Okoye, DT, Louisville
6’2” 302 lbs 4.88
A lot has been said already, so much so that I have nothing more to add about his play on the field. With all that said, not by me, it’s nitpick time. My only concern is his age. 19 is awfully young to be a multi-millionaire, and I know I wouldn’t have been able to handle it at his age. I know his brother is moving to Houston with him, but his brother is also going to be his business manager. I’m a firm believer that family and business should never mix, especially with the amount money that will be involved with the draft’s 10th pick. My other concern is that Okoye has less then the average draftee’s football experience and it’ll be up to the coaching staff to continue his growth. Sadly our staff does not have the best track record, with a focus on the D-line staff.

Round 2
Matt Schaub, QB, Atlanta Falcons
Will I never thought the price to acquire Schaub was too steep it was nice to see that none of the premier talent at OT, S, or CB fell to the pick we gave up for Schaub.

Round 3
Jacoby Jones, WR, Lane
6’ 2 5/8” 210 lbs. 4.5
The worst kept sleeper in this year’s draft. Biggest asset is history of always playing up to the talent lined up across from him. Return ability is a big bonus. Plays faster then his forty time, and has great size. Only downside his is smaller hands, it shouldn’t keep him from succeeding; but it will mean that he’ll have to spend some serious time in front of the JUGS machine. Given Jones attitude and desire I have little doubt he’ll put the work in. Returned 5 kicks for TDs, and atleast 1 passing TD and 1 rushing TD.

Round 4
Fred Bennett, CB, South Carolina
6’ 7/8” 196 lbs, 4.49
Good size and speed. Played CB in the physically imposing SEC, and while he’s not a great ball-hawk he does not have stone hands. A bit of a long strider, and it would be nice if he played up to his size. Will need some work on his zone coverage reads, but the good thing is that he is not overly tight in the hips, he may always be vulnerable to some WRs, and a few weeks at camp should start to fix all of this. Bennett was a three year starter.

Round 5
Brandon Frye, OT, Virginia Tech
6’ 4 1/8” 301 lbs. 5.01
Limited playing time at OT, and still needs some serious time in the weight room. Is naturally athletic, plays through pain, has NFL bloodlines, and has already demonstrated the work ethic need to succeed at the pro level. The biggest downside is his short arms, and his tendency to play soft. Has upside.

Brandon Harrison, S, Stanford
6’ 1 7/8” 227 lbs. 4.58
Probably the most confusing pick of the draft to me. The positives are that he played several games at corner in the Pac-10, he has good size, he’s not afraid of contact, he has a good back pedal, and shows some range when he plays. The negative’s are that he seems to the perpetually a step away from making the big played, he looked lost several times in Stanford’s scheme (which does not employ a typical free and strong safety), does not have great recovery speed, and does not hit as hard as his size might suggest he could. The more perplexing thing is I don’t know which of the starters at S he could replace. He doesn’t seem to have the ball skills of Brown nor does he hit like Earl, might be a tweener type safety; and with Kube’s constant statement that his happy with the play of the starters at safety maybe we just don’t know the type of safeties this team is looking for.

Round 6
Kasey Studdard, OG, Texas
6’ 2 ½” 303 lbs. 5.18
Attitude, attitude, attitude. Does not posses much athleticism, but he plays with a desire and a mean streak sorely lacking on the Texans at times. Has the strength to play and at times has shown a wicked hand punch. If he can overcome his limited foot speed and correct his tendency to wind up on his butt, he’ll have a place here. While he’s never really been injured I’d be willing to bet that he could play through the pain.

Round 7
Zach Diles, LB, Kansas State
6’ 1/8” 240 lbs. 4.76
The coaching staff got a good look at him during the Texas Bowl, and says he has shown some leadership ability. Shows good strength, and has average quickness at least judging by his pro day numbers. Mel Kiper, Jr. seems to really like him. If you can’t tell I don’t know that much about the kid, and finding information about him hasn’t been the easiest thing.

Undrafted Free Agents

Jared Zabransky, QB, Boise State
6’ 2 1/8” 219 4.59
We all saw what he did to Oklahoma. Has good speed, but is a touch short. Throws well on the run, screams WC QB. Makes the poor decision a little to much, has a bit of a wind up type motion, and will lock on to a receiver. He might challenge for the third QB after a year on the practice squad. Yet another great attitude guy.

Jon Abbate, LB, Wake Forest
5’ 9 ¾” 231 lbs. 5.06
Instinct, attitude, desire, and football player; these are the word most closely associated with Jon Abbate. Had great production over the last two years in the ACC. Abbate will bite on play action and over-run the play, and doesn’t have the foot speed to recover. A Zach Thomas starter kit?

Cory Anderson, FB, Tennessee
6’ 2 ¼” 247 lbs. 4.72
He moves well, and has good enough hands to contribute in the passing game. Hopefully he can replace Cook. Anderson is the typical WCO fullback prospect.

Onrea Jones, WR, Hampton
5’ 11 1/8” 202 lbs. 4.58
Jones has a good size and history of producing on the field. Could contribute on coverage teams, might be the gunner we hoped Starling would become. Needs work on his route running and getting in and out of his breaks if he is going to see any playing time at WR.

Derrick Roberson, CB, Rutgers
5’ 9” 182 lbs. 4.41
Roberson’s biggest wart (and all UDFA have warts) is his lack of height. The rest of his Pro Day numbers: 42 1/2” vertical, a 10’ 11” broad jump (the numbers show good explosiveness), 4.14 short shuttle, 6.87 three-cone, and 18 reps at 225. Returned 3 kicks for Tds.

Deljuan Robinson, DE, Mississippi State
6’ 3 1/8” 299 lbs. 5.07
The Chronicle listed him as a DE (which could mean so did the Texans), but I’ve only seen him listed as a DT. Pro Football Weekly says he has a “very serious injury concern”, but I can’t find what it is. Thanks to Lucky it was heart surgery to fix a leaky valve. Pro Day numbers: 27” vertical, 9’ 5” broad jump, 4.74 short shuttle, 7.54 three cone, and 23 reps at 225.

Brandon Mitchell, FS, Ohio State
6’ 7/8” 1.99 4.6
Possess good size and a willingness to hit in run support. Only started for a year, and is a former walk-on. The question here is has Mitchell reached his ceiling or does he still have room to grow. Not a ballhawk.

Luke Smith-Anderson, TE, Idaho
6’ 5” 253 lbs 4.99.
Long injury history, highlighted by rupturing his spleen in 2005 and two blown ACLs. Not a great blocker, but can get the job done. Good height for the red zone, and has good hands.

Victor DeGrate, DE, Oklahoma State
6’ 2 5/8” 249 lbs. 4.81
Played OLB for a 2 years before moving to DE for his last 2 years with the Cowboys. Tackles well, plays with a good motor, and will be able to win some one-on-ones against the OL. Shown improvement from year to year. Had some maturity issues as an underclassmen, and got busted for pot a week before the draft. Pro Day numbers: 32” vertical, 9’ 1” broad jump, 7.72 three cone, and 18 reps of 225, can you say “Needs some weight room time.”

Terry Richardson, WR/RS, Arizona State
5’ 11 1/2” 182 lbs. 4.55
Best chance to make the team comes as a returner; has the ability to make people miss in space. Failed to stay on the field due to his inability to digest the playbook, other concern is a lack of work ethic.

Genoka Lucas, C/OG, Oregon State
6’ 2 5/8” 303 lbs. 5.46
Lucas got owned at the Hula Bowl. He does pick up the blitzer well, and can get to the second level and wall off would be tacklers. Was the Beavers offensive team captain. Not the best athlete, and doesn’t play as strong as his weight room numbers would suggest.

Tavo Tupola, OT/OG, Utah
6’ 3 3/4” 313 lbs. 5.5
Well be a 26 year old rookie, after taking a 2 year mission before enrolling at Utah. A four starter at LT for the Utes. Will get beat be the speed rushers, and tend to play to upright. Pro Day numbers: 24 ½” vertical, 8’ 2: broad jump, 4.57 short shuttle and 18 reps of 22.

Eric Wilbur, P, Florida
6’ 2” 200lbs.
Will hopefully challenge Stanley. Career average of 42.9, and put 26 punts behind the 20. Named a semifinalist for the Ray Guy Award. Has good size.

According to Rick Smith there is still one more to come.

Specnatz
05-02-2007, 10:35 AM
Very well done. reps

Lucky
05-02-2007, 10:47 AM
Deljuan Robinson, DE, Mississippi
6’ 3 1/8” 299 lbs. 5.07
The Chronicle listed him as a DE (which could mean so did the Texans), but I’ve only seen him listed as a DT. Pro Football Weekly says he has a “very serious injury concern”, but I can’t find what it is. Pro Day numbers: 27” vertical, 9’ 5” broad jump, 4.74 short shuttle, 7.54 three cone, and 23 reps at 225.
Robinson had open heart surgery to repair a leaky valve (http://www.mstateathletics.com/index.php?s=&url_channel_id=18&change_well_id=17&member_id=99) prior to entering MSU.

2002:
Did not enroll at Mississippi State while recuperating from August ‘02 open heart surgery . . . Had a leaky heart valve repaired during the surgery at LeBonheur Children's Hospital in Memphis, Tenn.Speaking of Studdard, how limited is his foot speed, compared to the guards already on the roster? This offensive line has more plowhorses, than racehorses.

Errant Hothy
05-02-2007, 10:51 AM
Speaking of Studdard, how limited is his foot speed, compared to the guards already on the roster? This offensive line has more plowhorses, than racehorses.

Thanks for the info on Robinson.

As for Kasey; here are his proday numbers; Kasey Studdard stood on his 40 times from the Combine of 5.18. He ran the short shuttle in 4.51 seconds and the three-cone drill in 7.71. In addition, he had a 28½-inch vertical jump and an 8-foot-8 broad jump. Maybe he's not as slow as I first thought, but his foot speed is the consensus knock on him no mater which draft guy you read.

kastofsna
05-02-2007, 12:11 PM
i think you're looking a little too much into Harrison there. he is, afterall, a 5th rounder, not a first day pick. looks to be a project.

hadaad
05-02-2007, 12:25 PM
Hey! No injecting reality into post-draft talks!

nunusguy
05-02-2007, 12:30 PM
i think you're looking a little too much into Harrison there. he is, afterall, a 5th rounder, not a first day pick. looks to be a project.

Good point, but you left unanswered the outstanding question. Where ?
In theory he could have the potential to play any one of 4 positions: OLB, CB, FS, or SS. But like H-B, I'm confused about where the Texans plan to line up this kid ?
But good job H-B, I enjoyed your analysis and appreciate the effort.

kastofsna
05-02-2007, 12:37 PM
the fact that he can theoretically be used at multiple positions is probably why they drafted him. he's versatile. they probably don't have any set plans for him right now, they'll look at him in camp and go from there.

Errant Hothy
05-02-2007, 01:14 PM
He may be versatile, but there were better safties left on the baord. Or atleast I think there were. I'm going to be interested in watching Harrison in the mini-camps and training camp.

kastofsna
05-02-2007, 01:31 PM
i've said it before, but a team's board depends on the teams' philosophy more than anything. for example, miami had ted ginn #5 on their board. they value team speed. they had john beck as the #2 QB on the board. they value accuracy and a quick release most of all with a QB, thus, he was ahead of Brady Quinn.

it seems Houston values versatility a LOT, beucase they grabbed several versatile guys, and i think that's why Harrison was higher on their board than some other players.

Specnatz
05-02-2007, 01:56 PM
i've said it before, but a team's board depends on the teams' philosophy more than anything. for example, miami had ted ginn #5 on their board. they value team speed. they had john beck as the #2 QB on the board. they value accuracy and a quick release most of all with a QB, thus, he was ahead of Brady Quinn.

it seems Houston values versatility a LOT, beucase they grabbed several versatile guys, and i think that's why Harrison was higher on their board than some other players.

Belichik values versitile guys as well. Damn I like that philosophy, seems to work well.

kastofsna
05-02-2007, 02:14 PM
and every single one of Miami's players drafted this year (except Beck) played multiple positions in college. experience and versatility: good things to have on your team.

TexanAddict
05-02-2007, 02:30 PM
Speaking of Studdard, how limited is his foot speed, compared to the guards already on the roster? This offensive line has more plowhorses, than racehorses.

As for Kasey; here are his proday numbers; Kasey Studdard stood on his 40 times from the Combine of 5.18. He ran the short shuttle in 4.51 seconds and the three-cone drill in 7.71. In addition, he had a 28½-inch vertical jump and an 8-foot-8 broad jump. Maybe he's not as slow as I first thought, but his foot speed is the consensus knock on him no mater which draft guy you read.

Fred Weary (http://www.nfl.com/draft/2002/profiles/weary_fred.htm):
AGILITY TESTS
5.37 in the 40-yard dash … 3.06 in the 20-yard dash … 1.8 in the 10-yard dash … 4.63 in the 20-yard shuttle … 7.68 in the three-cone drill … 32-inch vertical jump … 8'8" broad jump … Bench presses 225 pounds 34 times … 475-pound bench press … 505-pound squat … 305-pound power clean … 31 ½-inch arm length … 9 1/8-inch hands.

Chester Pitts (http://www.nfl.com/draft/2002/profiles/pitts_chester.htm):
AGILITY TESTS
5.22 in the 40-yard dash … 3.12 in the 20-yard dash … 1.84 in the 10-yard dash … 4.81 in the 20-yard shuttle … 7.84 in the three-cone drill … 30-inch vertical jump … 8 feet, 10 inches in the broad jump … Bench presses 225 pounds 22 times … 380-pound bench press … 500-pound squat … 260-pound power clean … 35 ½-inch arm length … 9 1/4-inch hands … Right-handed … Wears contacts … Wears glasses.

As per NFL.com, linked in the names.

Errant Hothy
05-02-2007, 02:37 PM
Fred Weary (http://www.nfl.com/draft/2002/profiles/weary_fred.htm):
AGILITY TESTS
5.37 in the 40-yard dash … 3.06 in the 20-yard dash … 1.8 in the 10-yard dash … 4.63 in the 20-yard shuttle … 7.68 in the three-cone drill … 32-inch vertical jump … 8'8" broad jump … Bench presses 225 pounds 34 times … 475-pound bench press … 505-pound squat … 305-pound power clean … 31 ½-inch arm length … 9 1/8-inch hands.

Chester Pitts (http://www.nfl.com/draft/2002/profiles/pitts_chester.htm):
AGILITY TESTS
5.22 in the 40-yard dash … 3.12 in the 20-yard dash … 1.84 in the 10-yard dash … 4.81 in the 20-yard shuttle … 7.84 in the three-cone drill … 30-inch vertical jump … 8 feet, 10 inches in the broad jump … Bench presses 225 pounds 22 times … 380-pound bench press … 500-pound squat … 260-pound power clean … 35 ½-inch arm length … 9 1/4-inch hands … Right-handed … Wears contacts … Wears glasses.

As per NFL.com, linked in the names.

I've already admitted he isn't as slow as I thought, but answer me this if he's as good as Pitts or Weary (which is what you are imppling) why did he fall to the 6th round?

TexanAddict
05-02-2007, 03:02 PM
I've already admitted he isn't as slow as I thought, but answer me this if he's as good as Pitts or Weary (which is what you are imppling) why did he fall to the 6th round?

I wasn't implying anything. I was simply giving the information that Lucky requested (which is why I quoted him first). I only used your quote to show a side-by-side comparison of the guards already on our team. I have no opinion on the guy one way or the other. I think he will simply be allowed to compete for a backup guard spot. The information I provided definitely isn't the whole picture, but take it for what it's worth.

real
05-02-2007, 03:09 PM
I've already admitted he isn't as slow as I thought, but answer me this if he's as good as Pitts or Weary (which is what you are imppling) why did he fall to the 6th round?

Why did Tom Brady fall to the sixth ? Why did colston fall to the seventh ? Why did people have Ryan Leaf rated higher than Peyton Manning? Why did the Browns take Courtney Brown ? Why did Strahan come out of the SWAC ? Why was Dan Marino the sixth QB taken in the draft ? Why was Sam Bowie taken before Michael ? Why did Tarell Davis fall to the sixth ? How come the sky is blue and grass green ? Why are we here? What's the meaning of life ?

Errant Hothy
05-02-2007, 03:12 PM
Why are we here? What's the meaning of life ?

42!

I came off a lot more defensive then I am. I appreciate all of y'alls viewpoins, and please keep them coming.

:hothboy:

badboy
05-02-2007, 03:33 PM
Why did Tom Brady fall to the sixth ? Why did colston fall to the seventh ? Why did people have Ryan Leaf rated higher than Peyton Manning? Why did the Browns take Courtney Brown ? Why did Strahan come out of the SWAC ? Why was Dan Marino the sixth QB taken in the draft ? Why was Sam Bowie taken before Michael ? Why did Tarell Davis fall to the sixth ? How come the sky is blue and grass green ? Why are we here? What's the meaning of life ?Why do birds suddenly appear every time I am near? Uh, sorry. Just slipped out. Drink a milkshake Karen, for God's sake. Oh oh too late.

real
05-02-2007, 03:37 PM
42!

I came off a lot more defewnsive then I am. I appreciate all of y'alls viewpoins, and please keep them coming.

:hothboy:

I didn't take your comments as defensive or anything like that...

I was just saying that where you're taken in the draft doesn't neccessarily determine what kind of player you are or what type of career you'll have...

No harm meant, just joining in on the fun of arguing...

eriadoc
05-02-2007, 03:43 PM
Round 1
Amobi Okoye, DT, Louisville
6’2” 302 lbs 4.88
A lot has been said already, so much so that I have nothing more to add about his play on the field. With all that said, not by me, it’s nitpick time. My only concern is his age. 19 is awfully young to be a multi-millionaire, and I know I wouldn’t have been able to handle it at his age. I know his brother is moving to Houston with him, but his brother is also going to be his business manager. I’m a firm believer that family and business should never mix, especially with the amount money that will be involved with the draft’s 10th pick. My other concern is that Okoye has less then the average draftee’s football experience and it’ll be up to the coaching staff to continue his growth. Sadly our staff does not have the best track record, with a focus on the D-line staff.

Well, I'm not sure that most of the 21-year olds can handle it either, so I don't begrudge him his age anymore than I do Mario or whomever. I don't know this to be the case with regards to Okoye, but many of the young people with whom I have come in contact tend to be a bit more down-to-earth and responsible if they come from a family that is not rooted in America. I think the culture here has more to do with youth immaturity than any other factor, and it seems that immigrant families tend to keep their kids on the straight and narrrow (as much as you can do for a teen). So in this case, it's probably a good thing that his brother is going to be involved from the beginning. In other cultures, it is normal and even preferential to do business with family, close or extended, whereas that is not really the norm here in the US.

real
05-02-2007, 03:47 PM
I don't know this to be the case with regards to Okoye, but many of the young people with whom I have come in contact tend to be a bit more down-to-earth and responsible if they come from a family that is not rooted in America.

So true...

The guy graduated from a colleg university at 19 with a degree in psychology....Not to mention he played a little football along the way...

I'm not thinking maturity is going to all of a sudden become an issue....

Errant Hothy
05-02-2007, 03:49 PM
Well, I'm not sure that most of the 21-year olds can handle it either, so I don't begrudge him his age anymore than I do Mario or whomever. I don't know this to be the case with regards to Okoye, but many of the young people with whom I have come in contact tend to be a bit more down-to-earth and responsible if they come from a family that is not rooted in America. I think the culture here has more to do with youth immaturity than any other factor, and it seems that immigrant families tend to keep their kids on the straight and narrrow (as much as you can do for a teen). So in this case, it's probably a good thing that his brother is going to be involved from the beginning. In other cultures, it is normal and even preferential to do business with family, close or extended, whereas that is not really the norm here in the US.

I know, like I said it was nit pick time. And while in some cultures it is very common to do business in the family; but sadly bad things tend to ahppen over money. Best thing is that his brother is his business mamager, not his agent. I have no reason to think it'll happen in the Okoye family, just a concern. Same one I had about VY's agent being such a close friend of the family that he nearly was family.

Errant Hothy
05-02-2007, 03:50 PM
So true...

The guy graduated from a colleg university at 19 with a degree in psychology....Not to mention he played a little football along the way...

I'm not thinking maturity is going to all of a sudden become an issue....

Dude, got offered a scholarship to Harvard at 15. I also agree that maturity will not be an issue, but we'd be foolish to not atleat recoginize the chance that a huge bank account might change him.

real
05-02-2007, 04:08 PM
Dude, got offered a scholarship to Harvard at 15. I also agree that maturity will not be an issue, but we'd be foolish to not atleat recoginize the chance that a huge bank account might change him.

I dunno...I just look at his accomplishments so far and listen to him talk, and I just can't even imagine him being a problem...I could see him doing something like Mario did in that Lambo, but I just can't see him doing anything outrageous...

But you're absolutely right...none of us know him personally, so it would be foolish to TOTALLY dismiss it....

Specnatz
05-02-2007, 04:17 PM
The leagues new rules regarding not only just the one sit down about player conduct will also have to be factored into his mentoring. Because of the likes of Qubert and Ms henry the league will monitor rookies a lot more closly so this hopefully does not happen in the future.

With that said, I think someone who works as hard as he did on his academics is most likely not to have any issues.

Maddict5
05-04-2007, 06:15 AM
Round 1
Amobi Okoye, DT, Louisville
6’2” 302 lbs 4.88
My other concern is that Okoye has less then the average draftee’s football experience and it’ll be up to the coaching staff to continue his growth. Sadly our staff does not have the best track record, with a focus on the D-line staff.



i dont understand this part... yeah hes young and didnt play much HS football but he had alot more college experience than most of the juniors that declared

Errant Hothy
05-04-2007, 08:57 AM
i dont understand this part... yeah hes young and didnt play much HS football but he had alot more college experience than most of the juniors that declared

But most of the juniors who declared have been playing football since Pop-Warner, I think that playing any sport from a young age is a benefit. It's also a nit-pick by me.