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Kaiser Toro
04-29-2007, 07:52 AM
The draft resumes with Rounds 4 through 7 on Sunday at 10 a.m. CT

Kaiser Toro
04-29-2007, 07:59 AM
6:16 p.m.: Indy on the clock for the final pick of the first round. Someone just informed me that Bill Polian's going with the under-utilized "best Baylor player on the board" strategy that landed him Justin Snow a few years ago.

Look for BU punter Daniel Sepulveda to go early in the fourth, followed by CB Anthony Arline, CB C.J. Wilson and RB/cousin Paul Mosley.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft07/columns/story?id=2852167

Kaiser Toro
04-29-2007, 08:04 AM
Texans picks today

4 - 8(107)
5 - 7(144)
6 - 9(183)
7 - 8(218)

SheTexan
04-29-2007, 08:21 AM
Texans picks today

4 - 8(107)
5 - 7(144)
6 - 9(183)
7 - 8(218)

Thanks KT! I forgot where we placed in the 4th round.

texasguy346
04-29-2007, 09:09 AM
Nothing wrong with going best Baylor player available. Get them Bears while you can.

Honoring Earl 34
04-29-2007, 09:10 AM
Any predictions ?

Kaiser Toro
04-29-2007, 09:15 AM
Mason Crosby PK, Tanard Jackson S, Josh Beekman OG/C, Daniel Sepulveda P, Michael Bush RB.

texasguy346
04-29-2007, 09:15 AM
I'm thinking we grab either David Irons out of Auburn, Josh Gattis from Wake, or Brandon Siler out of Florida.

Honoring Earl 34
04-29-2007, 09:16 AM
Safetys anyone .

Tanard Jackson 6-0, 200 4.52 Syracuse (FS)
John Wendling 6-1, 222 4.48 Wyoming
Josh Gattis 6-1, 206 4.51 Wake Forest
Michael Johnson 6-2.5, 205 4.62 Arizona
Marvin White 6-1, 200 4.54 TCU
Dashon Golden 6-2, 205 4.60 Washington
Eric Frampton 5-11, 204 4.61 Washington State
Kevin Payne 6-0, 220 4.60 Louisiana-Monroe
Daren Stone 6-3, 218 4.58 Maine
Melvin Bullitt 6-1, 200 4.50 Texas A&M
Chad Nkang 5-11.5, 220 4.52 Elon (LB)
Jesse Daniels 5-11, 216 4.60 LSU
Brandon Harrison 6-2, 227 4.60 Stanford
Brandon Sharp 5-10, 195 4.58 Louisville

Brandon Mitchell 6-2, 205 4.55 Ohio State
Willis Barringer 5-11, 205 4.50 Michigan
Marcus Paschal 6-0, 201 4.59 Iowa
Chinedum Ndukwe 6-1.5, 206 4.49 Notre Dame
Craig Dahl 6-1.5, 215 4.55 North Dakota State

C. J. Wallace 5-11, 200 4.60 Washington
Rod Rogers 6-1, 185 4.45 Wisconsin (X)

Honoring Earl 34
04-29-2007, 09:18 AM
Here's the CBs .

David Irons 5-10, 190 4.44 Auburn (X)
Fred Bennett 6-1, 195 4.46 South Carolina
A.J. Davis 5-10, 193 4.47 North Carolina State
Michael Coe 6-0.5, 190 4.50 Alabama State
Anthony Arline 6-1.5, 199 4.43 Baylor
Travarous Bain 6-0, 182 4.43 Hampton
Tarell Brown 5-10.5, 195 4.45 Texas (O)
Kenny Scott 6-1, 179 4.39 Georgia Tech
Deandre Jackson 5-11, 193 4.50 Iowa State
Courtney Brown 6-1.5, 200 4.40 Cal-Poly
*Ryan Smith 5-10, 174 4.52 Florida
*C.J. Gaddis 5-11.5, 205 4.45 Clemson

Corey Graham 6-0, 195 4.40 New Hampshire
C.J. Wilson 6-1, 195 4.60 Baylor (FS)

John Bowie 5-10, 190 4.40 Cincinnati

Larry Anam 6-0, 195 4.40 Boston College (FS)
Bo Smith 5-10, 193 4.44 Weber State
Reggie Lewis 5-10, 204 4.54 Florida
Brandon McDonald 5-11, 181 4.58 Memphis
John Talley 6-0, 190 4.55 Duke
Tim Mixon 5-9, 190 4.55 California (X)

Honoring Earl 34
04-29-2007, 09:20 AM
Get your OTs .

Doug Free 6-6, 325 5.19 Northern Illinois
Jacob Bender 6-6, 320 5.05 Nicholls State
Adam Koets 6-5, 298 5.08 Oregon State
Brandon Frye 6-4, 301 5.08 Virginia Tech
Mike Otto 6-5, 310 5.20 Purdue
Chris Denman 6-6, 315 5.60 Fresno State
Julius Wilson 6-4, 327 5.43 Alabama-Birmingham

Gabe Hall 6-4, 313 4.90 Texas Tech
Dane Uperesa 6-4, 310 5.30 Hawaii
Herbert Taylor 6-4, 296 5.19 TCU
Andrew Carnahan 6-7, 306 5.15 Arizona State (X)
Chase Johnson 6-8, 330 5.40 Wyoming
Elliot Vallejo 6-7, 327 5.38 Cal-Davis

Ken Shackleford 6-5, 325 5.30 Georgia
Jonathan Palmer 6-5, 320 5.25 Auburn
Jermon Bushrod 6-4.5, 315 4.95 Towson State

James Newby 6-5, 290 5.30 North Carolina State
Jeff Perrett 6-5, 320 5.25 Tulsa
Kyle Tatum 6-7, 305 5.15 Alabama

Stephon Heyer 6-6, 334 5.60 Maryland (X)
Daniel Inman 6-7, 315 5.60 Georgia (O)
Eddie Keele 6-5,315 5.30 BYU
Renaldo Foster 6-6, 325 5.35 Louisville

Honoring Earl 34
04-29-2007, 09:21 AM
How about OLBs ?

Rufus Alexander 6-1, 228 4.79 Oklahoma
Tim Shaw 6-1.5, 236 4.50 Penn State
Antwan Barnes 6-0.5, 240 4.43 Florida International (DE)
Earl Everett 6-2.5, 238 4.75 Florida
Stephen Nicholas 6-1, 232 4.65 South Florida
Juwan Simpson 6-2, 225 4.55 Alabama (O)
*Rory Johnson 6-0, 232 4.60 Mississippi
Dallas Sartz 6-5, 237 4.70 Southern California (X)
Prescott Burgess 6-3, 240 4.82 Michigan
KaMichael Hall 6-0, 228 4.77 Georgia Tech
Sam Olajubutu 5-9, 227 4.77 Arkansas
David Holloway 6-2, 230 4.80 Maryland
Brian Smith 6-4, 225 4.75 Missouri (DE/X)
Boo McLee 6-1, 255 4.72 West Virginia
Jarvis Jackson 6-0, 225 4.70 Georgia
Ameer Ismail 6-2, 225 4.85 Western Michigan (DE)
Steve Dildine 6-1, 235 4.65 Washington State
Will Herring 6-3, 220 4.70 Auburn (SS)
Abe Brown 6-3, 240 4.70 Louisville
Clint Session 6-0, 235 4.65 Pittsburgh
Danny Verdun Wheeler 6-2, 245 4.70 Georgia

Honoring Earl 34
04-29-2007, 09:22 AM
Here's the link I'm looking at for the top rated players that are still on the board at each position .

http://www.gbnreport.com/2007draftpositionalrankings.html

Kaiser Toro
04-29-2007, 10:01 AM
NFLN reporting Moss to NE for a fourth and D Jackson to SF.

Kaiser Toro
04-29-2007, 10:07 AM
Gene Washington kicks it off with the Los Angeles Raiders.

Silver Oak
04-29-2007, 10:07 AM
ha ha ha...Gene Washington...."Los Angeles Raiders".

Kaiser Toro
04-29-2007, 10:09 AM
Bush to Oakland

Silver Oak
04-29-2007, 10:10 AM
I don't see the Raiders being doormats much longer.

Kaiser Toro
04-29-2007, 10:13 AM
Jags go with a Punter from Maryland

Kaiser Toro
04-29-2007, 10:15 AM
Robison goes to the Vikings.

Kaiser Toro
04-29-2007, 10:19 AM
Stanback to the Cowboys, I like the pick.

HoustonFrog
04-29-2007, 10:21 AM
So is Moss to NE official?NE is really taking some flyers on their "good guy" image with Merriweather and then this, if it happens. Guess not going to the 8th straight SB(hyperbole:)) gets under your skin

Kaiser Toro
04-29-2007, 10:22 AM
So is Moss to NE official?NE is really taking some flyers on their "good guy" image with Merriweather and then this, if it happens. Guess not going to the 8th straight SB(hyperbole:)) gets under your skin

He is in NE for a physical.

HoustonFrog
04-29-2007, 10:23 AM
Stanback to the Cowboys, I like the pick.

Me too.

Kaiser Toro
04-29-2007, 10:23 AM
Jackson to SF is official

Kaiser Toro
04-29-2007, 10:25 AM
I would like to see Tanard Jackson for the Texans.

RTP2110
04-29-2007, 10:30 AM
Alright boys, we're up!

hadaad
04-29-2007, 10:31 AM
I'd like to see any defensive back help.
Or a centre.

Kaiser Toro
04-29-2007, 10:31 AM
There goes Jackson to TB

STEEL BLUE TEXANS
04-29-2007, 10:31 AM
Tanard Jackson to the Bucs.

RTP2110
04-29-2007, 10:32 AM
I would like to see Tanard Jackson for the Texans.

He just went to TB right before us.

STEEL BLUE TEXANS
04-29-2007, 10:32 AM
Maybe we draft John Wendling.

Silver Oak
04-29-2007, 10:33 AM
Cowgirls=crap pick in Jackson

HoustonFrog
04-29-2007, 10:34 AM
Trade

RTP2110
04-29-2007, 10:34 AM
Looks like we just traded th pick to NO, maybe because Jackson was gone?

Twitch-Houston
04-29-2007, 10:34 AM
Damn they are too busy talking about Moss and the Patriots to talk about the Texans on NFL network. ahhhhh

HoustonFrog
04-29-2007, 10:35 AM
Cowgirls=crap pick in Jackson

Actually like it...Stanback. He will be used at WR and played that in collge some already. Big and pretty good speed.

Twitch-Houston
04-29-2007, 10:35 AM
Looks like we just traded th pick to NO, maybe because Jackson was gone?

That would be my guess.

Kaiser Toro
04-29-2007, 10:36 AM
Cowgirls=crap pick in Jackson

???

Cowboys drafted Stanback.

Specnatz
04-29-2007, 10:36 AM
what was the trade??

RTP2110
04-29-2007, 10:36 AM
NO trades up for another RB, and we are now at #123

Specnatz
04-29-2007, 10:37 AM
Patriots traded 4th round pick for Moss holy crap??

Twitch-Houston
04-29-2007, 10:38 AM
Patriots gave a class in offseason maneuvers this year.

Specnatz
04-29-2007, 10:40 AM
Patriots gave a class in offseason maneuvers this year.

Can Bilichik get through to Moss and keep him in-line.

Still have not found the details of the Houston trade.

Silver Oak
04-29-2007, 10:40 AM
???

Cowboys drafted Stanback.

you're right...got caught up in the rush.

Kaiser Toro
04-29-2007, 10:40 AM
We get NO's 5th and their 4th?

cdastros
04-29-2007, 10:41 AM
yahoo says the texans drafted Antonio Pittman. Opps, looks like Pittman went to new orleans.

Kaiser Toro
04-29-2007, 10:41 AM
Saints, Texans swap fourth-rounders
New Orleans Saints: Acquire pick No. 107 (selected RB Antonio Pittman). Houston Texans: Acquire picks No. 123 (fourth round) and No. 163 (fifth round).

Twitch-Houston
04-29-2007, 10:42 AM
yahoo says the texans drafted Antonio Pittman.

NO traded us to get him. Yahoo needs to catch up...ha ha

HoustonFrog
04-29-2007, 10:44 AM
Just while we are sitting here...Justice today said Jacoby wasn't big or fast...track guy who returns kics..maybe it was tongue in cheek.

Twitch-Houston
04-29-2007, 10:45 AM
There is supposed to be a press conference after our 4th round pick on Texans TV on the Texans' website.

phantom17
04-29-2007, 10:45 AM
Cool, I like the trade down to acquire an extra pick! Mr. Smith must have alot of players listed in his board!:mail:

Twitch-Houston
04-29-2007, 10:47 AM
Just while we are sitting here...Justice today said Jacoby wasn't big or fast...track guy who returns kics..maybe it was tongue in cheek.

Someone posted a link to an article yesterday on Jacoby and it was basically saying he could be the steal of the draft. I hope that assessment is correct. It'd be nice to find a gem on D last year (Ryans) and a gem on O (Jones) this year. We don't need no stinkin' 2nd round pick. :texflag:

Silver Oak
04-29-2007, 10:47 AM
crowded backfield in NO now.

Specnatz
04-29-2007, 10:50 AM
crowded backfield in NO now.

waisted pick for them.

Kaiser Toro
04-29-2007, 10:51 AM
waisted pick for them.

I don't think so. They only have two RB's on the roster in Deuce and Stecker. ;)

HoustonFrog
04-29-2007, 10:52 AM
Someone posted a link to an article yesterday on Jacoby and it was basically saying he could be the steal of the draft. I hope that assessment is correct. It'd be nice to find a gem on D last year (Ryans) and a gem on O (Jones) this year. We don't need no stinkin' 2nd round pick. :texflag:


Yeah I like him. He isn't blazing, but he has something in football speed.

Kaiser Toro
04-29-2007, 10:54 AM
Steelers take Sepulveda

Specnatz
04-29-2007, 10:54 AM
There went Spulveda the punter.

Vinny
04-29-2007, 10:56 AM
waisted pick for them.it would be if it was a first round pick...but teams generally take a back yearly or eoy at least...it's just a high injury/short career type position. I thought it was a good pick since I think he makes the roster and has something to offer and was good value here.

Marcus
04-29-2007, 10:56 AM
There went Spulveda the punter.

CRAP!:mad:

Vinny
04-29-2007, 10:57 AM
Just while we are sitting here...Justice today said Jacoby wasn't big or fast...track guy who returns kics..maybe it was tongue in cheek.He looked good to me when I saw some clips....looks like a natural wr with some yac ability.

nunusguy
04-29-2007, 10:58 AM
NO taking another back with their 4th says Bush is likely to continue his role as primarily a pass receiver IMO.

Specnatz
04-29-2007, 10:58 AM
it would be if it was a first round pick...but teams generally take a back yearly or eoy at least...it's just a high injury/short career type position. I thought it was a good pick since I think he makes the roster and has something to offer and was good value here.

I understand that, I guess I was thinking there were higher players on the board that would also feed a need.

Vinny
04-29-2007, 11:02 AM
I understand that, I guess I was thinking there were higher players on the board that would also feed a need.
all you are likely to get on the second day of the draft are back up types with the hope that they may mature into a starter at some point...most second day picks can't come in and start....so, they may just like his long term value over some back up linebacker (or plug in the need) left on the board

Twitch-Houston
04-29-2007, 11:02 AM
He looked good to me when I saw some clips....looks like a natural wr with some yac ability.

I finally got a chance to watch Kubes and Smith talk about picking Jones on Texans TV. They've got me pumped. Poor guy got called out by Kubes on crying when he got the call though...ha ha. That's good we got a guy who is hungry and is grateful for where he was picked. Hopefully he will want to prove himself.

:texflag:

Twitch-Houston
04-29-2007, 11:03 AM
CRAP!:mad:

They traded up to pick him.

awtysst
04-29-2007, 11:09 AM
Cool, I like the trade down to acquire an extra pick! Mr. Smith must have alot of players listed in his board!:mail:

any idea who he is targeting?

Marcus
04-29-2007, 11:11 AM
They traded up to pick him.

I'm curious as to what you guys would have thought if we kept our 4th pick and used it to get Sepulveda, considering that the Steelers traded up to get him.

phantom17
04-29-2007, 11:11 AM
any idea who he is targeting?

Sorry, not sure, but I think it will be a DB, I hope!:)

Specnatz
04-29-2007, 11:12 AM
Sorry, not sure, but I think it will be a DB, I hope!:)

or a Punter or Kicker.

HoustonFrog
04-29-2007, 11:12 AM
He looked good to me when I saw some clips....looks like a natural wr with some yac ability.

Me too. Maybe his 40 time isn't tops but he has football speed.

Marcus
04-29-2007, 11:14 AM
Sorry, not sure, but I think it will be a DB, I hope!:)

Whoever we get, it will be someone who Kubes and Smith thinks can contribute right away on special teams. Something to keep in mind.

phantom17
04-29-2007, 11:16 AM
Whoever we get, it will be someone who Kubes and Smith thinks can contribute right away on special teams. Something to keep in mind.

Like a...:pirate: Owen Daniels!

CrunkTex
04-29-2007, 11:20 AM
Rufus Alexander or Doug Free would potentially be great values here and guys who could play next year. A sleeper that I'd like to see...Troy Smith. If Schaub doesn't work out, would be nice to have an ace in the hole.

nunusguy
04-29-2007, 11:21 AM
Dang, the Packers just grabbed Alan Barbe with their 4th. He's an excellent candidate for the ZB. No surprise then they got him.
Look for us to consider Adam Koets, Doug Free, & Otto (forget first name), with our 4th or 5th rounder. Those guys are all good fits in the ZB schemes.

STEEL BLUE TEXANS
04-29-2007, 11:22 AM
Texans are now on the clock...

Twitch-Houston
04-29-2007, 11:23 AM
Texans are now on the clock...

And NFL network just went back to talking about Moss just like they did before the Texans traded their 4th. ahhhhhh

STEEL BLUE TEXANS
04-29-2007, 11:23 AM
Fred Bennett

Marcus
04-29-2007, 11:23 AM
Rufus Alexander or Doug Free would potentially be great values here and guys who could play next year. A sleeper that I'd like to see...Troy Smith. If Schaub doesn't work out, would be nice to have an ace in the hole.

Troy Smith? lol:

Silver Oak
04-29-2007, 11:23 AM
Dang, the Packers just grabbed Alan Barbe with their 4th. He's an excellent candidate for the ZB. No surprise then they got him.
Look for us to consider Adam Koets, Doug Free, & Otto (forget first name), with our 4th or 5th rounder. Those guys are all good fits in the ZB schemes.

Mike Otto

awtysst
04-29-2007, 11:23 AM
fred bennett!

Twitch-Houston
04-29-2007, 11:24 AM
CB Bennett

Specnatz
04-29-2007, 11:24 AM
Fred Bennett CB s carolina :d:

texasguy346
04-29-2007, 11:25 AM
Bennett is a nice pick. Thinking the whole South Carolina/McNair connection played a role there.

Wolf
04-29-2007, 11:25 AM
Overall: Bennett appeared in all 12 games as a true freshman in 2003 as a reserve defensive back and on special teams, finishing the season with eight total tackles. In 2004, he played in all 11 games and recorded 32 total tackles, two tackles for loss, four interceptions, three pass breakups, and one fumble recovery. Bennett then underwent off-season shoulder surgery. He returned for all 12 games (10 starts) in 2005 and made 31 total tackles, one tackle for loss, one sack, three interceptions, 10 pass breakups, one forced fumble, and one blocked kick.

Bennett lacks ideal hip fluidity as a pure cover corner, but he's not strong or aggressive in run support to bulk up and make the move to safety. He also comes with some durability baggage due to his shoulder surgery. However, he still possesses an impressive combination of height and speed, which gives him a chance

http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?id=10500&action=login&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fnfl draft%2fdraft%2ftracker%2fplayer%3fid%3d10500

Lucky
04-29-2007, 11:25 AM
Fred Bennett is a big corner from an SEC school. Might not have the speed of other corners in the draft, but the Texans needed size opposite Dunta.

Twitch-Houston
04-29-2007, 11:26 AM
live conf. on texans tv

hot pickle
04-29-2007, 11:26 AM
fred bennett came into his senior year as one of the best corners in college, great pick, good trade rick.. now we get an extra 5th...

him and dunta will work great together to
south Carolina connection

phantom17
04-29-2007, 11:28 AM
WOW! I like the picks so far from Mr. Smith!:cowboy1:

FirstTexansFan
04-29-2007, 11:28 AM
Positives: Tight-skinned prospect with adequate muscle definition. Rare height for the position. Aggressive man-to-man cover corner. Effective jam of the receiver at the line of scrimmage. Rare speed down the field, especially for a corner of his size. Loses a step in transition, but has long speed and a second gear when the ball is in the air. Uses his hands well to break up the pass. Adequate awareness in zone coverage. Good burst to close on the ball. Athleticism and size combination make for an exciting upside. Not a finished product.

Negatives: Despite Bennett's size, he lacks toughness versus the run. Will react to the run and come up to support, but is more than willing to stand and let others do the dirty work. Rarely takes on blocks, choosing to run around them. No missed tackles on the games viewed, but tends to duck his head and swipe at the ball-carrier's feet rather than squaring up and driving his opponent to the ground. Good straight-line speed, but loses a step in transition and can struggle to blanket more agile or quality route-running wideouts.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/2007/bennett_fred

Always amazes me how on negative reviews you can find the bright spot :)

awtysst
04-29-2007, 11:29 AM
Is he a letgit #2 CB and an upgrade over what we have now?

nunusguy
04-29-2007, 11:30 AM
Good size and a solid frame...Smooth athlete with great speed and quickness...He is very aggressive in coverage and gets his hands on a lot of balls...Comes from a program with a reputation for producing pro defensive backs...A great leaper who puts himself in position to make plays...Matches up in zone & man...Major upside.

Weaknesses:
Is not overly physical...Only average as a tackler and in run support...Instincts are questionable and he doesn't have great ball skills...Hips aren't fluid and he plays too high...Makes too many mistakes and gets beaten too often...Doesn't always play up to his physical tools and is a bit of a underachiever...Durability concerns.

Notes:
The Gamecocks have also sent the likes of Sheldon Brown, Dunta Robinson, and Johnathan Joseph to the NFL in recent years...Spent one year at Hargrave Military Prep School...Underwent offseason shoulder surgery in 2005...Has everything you look for in terms of measurables but might be a workout warrior who gets drafted earlier than his play would usually indicate based on potential and not production
http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/cb/fredbennett.html

Twitch-Houston
04-29-2007, 11:33 AM
His negative of not wanting to hit an RB worries me a bit. Remember P-Burnt.

Overall though I like the pick.

awtysst
04-29-2007, 11:35 AM
His negative of not wanting to hit an RB worries me a bit. Remember P-Burnt.

Overall though I like the pick.

think he is an upgrade over what we have and starter?

Specnatz
04-29-2007, 11:38 AM
Is the presser messing up for anyone else??

Marcus
04-29-2007, 11:39 AM
His negative of not wanting to hit an RB worries me a bit. Remember P-Burnt.

Overall though I like the pick.

You should probably expect "P-Burnt" type of negatives from a late 4th rounder, but I like his speed and size. And he won't make the team if he can't contribute on special teams, so he'll learn to tackle whether he likes it or not.

Thorn
04-29-2007, 11:39 AM
This guy seems pretty decent for a 4th round pick. And it adds debth to the CBs. I like it.

Twitch-Houston
04-29-2007, 11:39 AM
http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/2007/bennett_fred

Always amazes me how on negative reviews you can find the bright spot :)

think he is an upgrade over what we have and starter?

Honestly I don't know enough about him to say, but I'm learning to trust the FO this year. THAT is weird to say...ha ha

FirstTexansFan
04-29-2007, 11:44 AM
Honestly I don't know enough about him to say, but I'm learning to trust the FO this year. THAT is weird to say...ha ha

Yes it is, but I'm with you, my faith in this FO continues to grow. Of course, I'm the eternal optimist so take that for what its worth :)

Cornerback who is an all-star candidate in his senior season... pre-season second-team All-American according to The Sporting News (the fourth-best corner in the nation) and on everyone's pre-season first-team all-SEC squad...lone starting returnee in the Gamecocks' secondary... tall athlete who is considered a good cover corner... earned honorable mention All-SEC honors in 2005... has made 21 career starts and has appeared in all 35 games over the past three seasons... owns seven interceptions and 13 pass breakups... named the Outstanding Defensive Back during the 2006 spring drills.

2005: Started 10 games... recorded 31 tackles, including 23 solo stops en route to being named honorable mention All-SEC by the Associated Press... intercepted three passes and credited with a team-high 10 pass breakups... tied for third in the SEC in passes defended, averaging 1.08 per game... recorded the Gamecocks only forced turnover against UCF when he intercepted a pass late in the first half... also logged a sack in the season opener against UCF... did not start against either Troy or Auburn... picked off his second pass of the season against Troy... blocked a field goal attempt against Vanderbilt, the first blocked kick of any kind by a USC player since 2001... final interception came in the Clemson game... The Sporting News ranked him as the No. 14 cornerback in the land entering the 2005 season... limited in the 2005 spring drills after undergoing offseason shoulder surgery.

2004: Started all 11 games at cornerback... was the team's seventh-leading tackler with 32 stops, including 26 solo tackles... was second on the team with four interceptions and returned one fumble 35 yards versus Ole Miss... his four interceptions ranked tied for fourth in the SEC... had two interceptions in the road win over Alabama... also had interceptions vs. Troy and Florida... logged a season-high eight tackles in the victory at Vanderbilt... added six stops in the win at Kentucky.

2003: True freshman who played in all 12 games... saw action as a reserve defensive back and on special teams... credited with eight solo tackles... tallied a season-high three tackles in the victory over Vanderbilt.

Some more info I found on Bennett.



http://uscsports.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/bennett_fred00.html

Twitch-Houston
04-29-2007, 11:47 AM
Is the presser messing up for anyone else??

Yea too much dead air at the beginning and cuts off on Okoye.

CrunkTex
04-29-2007, 11:48 AM
Bennett's a good pick here but I really liked Kenny Scott(CB, GA Tech) over him as far as players with similar potential. Bennett has good coverage skills but his tackling looks very suspect. Hopefully Dunta can straighten him out.

CrunkTex
04-29-2007, 11:51 AM
Troy Smith? lol:

Troy Smith will be an NFL starter in 3 years. Write that down.

Specnatz
04-29-2007, 11:53 AM
Troy Smith will be an NFL starter in 3 years. Write that down.

does special teams count?

Twitch-Houston
04-29-2007, 11:57 AM
Yea too much dead air at the beginning and cuts off on Okoye.

They took the Okoye introduction off of the presser, but under the "Special Segment" portion they have a video of Okoye's arrival.

Marcus
04-29-2007, 11:59 AM
Troy Smith will be an NFL starter in 3 years. Write that down.

Written.

First, he showed up to the combine out of shape, which makes teams question his dedication. And second, when he has one-on-one meetings with NFL coaches, they come away with the sense that he doesn't have an ideal grasp of how to read defenses.

If Smith wants to use a 7th on him, I won't be that pissed. But if he uses a 6th . . .

CrunkTex
04-29-2007, 12:00 PM
does special teams count?

Good one... What's the difference between Donovan McNabb as a prospect and Troy Smith, besides 2"? This guy is a steal right now.

Specnatz
04-29-2007, 12:03 PM
Good one... What's the difference between Donovan McNabb as a prospect and Troy Smith, besides 2"? This guy is a steal right now.

If it was only the two inches he would have been drafted already. McNabb has a lot of intangiables, such as leadership, pocket pressence and his run time was better. Plus no questions about character. Although Smiths is only minor per say but McNabb did not have any.

awtysst
04-29-2007, 12:04 PM
do we go punter here?

phantom17
04-29-2007, 12:06 PM
IMO, I wouldn't be too shock if we pick Troy Smith with the extra pick! Anything can happen now in the later rds.:shades:

CrunkTex
04-29-2007, 12:08 PM
If it was only the two inches he would have been drafted already. McNabb has a lot of intangiables, such as leadership, pocket pressence and his run time was better. Plus no questions about character. Although Smiths is only minor per say but McNabb did not have any.
Smith doesnt' have leadership or pocket presence? The guy threw 30 TD's, 6 INT's, and 65% comp. for the #1 team all year. Despite the fact that he came to the combine out of shape, he still had the best vertical and broad jump and 2nd best 40 of any QB. To deny his value in the 5th is foolish.

Thorn
04-29-2007, 12:08 PM
I'm going to be upset if they don't pick up an offensive lineman in this draft somewhere. :bat:

If there are any left that are worth picking up, that is.

awtysst
04-29-2007, 12:10 PM
I'm going to be upset if they don't pick up an offensive lineman in this draft somewhere. :bat:

If there are any left that are worth picking up, that is.

Isnt dan Mozes still out there?

Wolf
04-29-2007, 12:13 PM
Mike (Tampa): Kidder, where will Troy Smith go, and will he EVER see the field?

KEITH KIDD: Look for Jacksonville to maybe take him with their 5th round pick, with the uncertaininty of both Leftwich and Gerrard. It makes sense he could compete for the third sport with Quinn Gray.


would be interesting

i can't provide link because it is live chat on ESPiN draft chat

Maddict5
04-29-2007, 12:13 PM
i wouldnt mind another secondary pick...maybe david irons or josh gattis or crosby(K)

Specnatz
04-29-2007, 12:13 PM
ike (Tampa): Kidder, where will Troy Smith go, and will he EVER see the field?

KEITH KIDD: Look for Jacksonville to maybe take him with their 5th round pick, with the uncertaininty of both Leftwich and Gerrard. It makes sense he could compete for the third sport with Quinn Gray.

would be interesting

i can't provide link because it is live chat on ESPiN draft chat

Yeah I saw that as well.

Thorn
04-29-2007, 12:13 PM
Mozes is still around. I found this on him.


Strengths:
Smart with outstanding instincts and awareness...A hard worker and leader with outstanding intangibles...Tough and physical...Motor never stops...Nasty and has a killer instinct...Technically sound and does all the little things...He makes the line calls...Is versatile and can play more than one position...Has a ton of experience.

Weaknesses:
Undersized and doesn't have the bulk you look for...Has short arms...Not a great athlete and lacks quickness...Struggles with massive tackles...Is not stout at the point and he gets pushed back...Does not get a great push in the run game...Has some health questions with his shoulders and hip so durability is a huge concern.

Notes:
Started at guard early in his career before moving to center in 2005...Is not nearly the pro prospect that his college press clippings would lead you to believe and is a classic case of an All-American college football player who simply does not have the physical tools...The type you hate to doubt and he could secure a roster spot but at most he profiles as a backup in the pros...Winner of the Rimington Trophy.

STEEL BLUE TEXANS
04-29-2007, 12:14 PM
I think we'll go safety here.

Twitch-Houston
04-29-2007, 12:14 PM
Texans take Safety Harrison

STEEL BLUE TEXANS
04-29-2007, 12:14 PM
Brandon Harrison S Stanford

C.C. Brown has competition.

mexican_texan
04-29-2007, 12:14 PM
Brandon Harrison S, Stanford

phantom17
04-29-2007, 12:15 PM
Bpa!!!!!

PapaL
04-29-2007, 12:15 PM
Give me the DB help...

Specnatz
04-29-2007, 12:15 PM
Brandon harrison S stanford.

awtysst
04-29-2007, 12:15 PM
Is Harrison more Strong or Free?

PapaL
04-29-2007, 12:16 PM
School Profile; link (http://gostanford.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/harrison_brandon01.html)

Some draft site profile; link (http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/profile.php?pyid=15483)

Scouts.com; link (http://scout.scout.com/a.z?s=211&p=8&c=1&nid=2495323)

Wolf
04-29-2007, 12:16 PM
Overall: Harrison appeared in 10 of 11 contests as a true freshman in 2003 making six total tackles and breaking up one pass. In 2004, he started all 11 games at strong safety registering 45 total tackles, 2.5 tackles for loss, two sacks, two fumble recoveries, one interception, one pass breakup, and one blocked punt. Harrison again started all 11 games in 2005 and collected 67 total tackles, two tackles for loss, three interceptions, and four pass breakups. In 2006, he played in all 12 games with 11 starts coming at safety and cornerback (played off the bench against San Jose State because of an injury), finishing the year with 68 total tackles, 2.5 tackles for loss, one interception, five pass breakups, and one fumble recovery earning an honorable mention All-Pac 10 selection.

Harrison lacks ideal cover skills and range but he has good speed and athletic ability for his ... For complete overview, strengths and weaknesses, login above or become an Insider.

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FirstTexansFan
04-29-2007, 12:17 PM
Positives: Has a big frame with room to carry at least another 10 pounds of bulk for a potential move to Cover-2 linebacker Solidly built with minimal body fat (4.6 percent), well-defined chest, arms and shoulders and tapered thighs Generally in position to make plays on the ball Very athletic in his stride, showing ease of movement in attempts to close on the ball Plays with good effort in pass coverage, but needs to show more aggression in run force Makes the adjustment calls in the secondary and is good at recognizing the switch-offs when playing in the zone Has the foot speed and hands to mirror the receiver in man coverage, getting into position quickly to try to reroute his opponent Has the foot speed and balance dropping back in the zone and is alert to receivers' threats while maintaining eye contact on the quarterback Shows good recovery quickness and is capable of running with backs and tight ends in the short area Plays the man better than the ball, but he gets a good jump on the ball in flight, showing the range to close from behind Has just adequate take-up quickness trying to catch up in pass coverage, but can adjust better to coverage in the zone and is quick to anticipate the pass Times his hits well and keeps his pads down and arms extended to wrap and secure Takes good angles in pursuit and uses his hands efficiently to shed blocks Effective at pushing the outside running game back inside and generates decent pop on contact Has enough speed to avoid blockers and pressure the pocket on the blitz Demonstrates fluid hip turn and good hand extension looking the ball in when attempting to intercept.

Negatives: Has an imposing frame for a safety, but doesn't play with the physicality that you'd expect from a player that size Has questionable ball skills in the deep zone, as he fails to get a quick read and is then caught out of position Has had some maturity issues, letting his academics slip to the point that he was held out of 2006 preseason drills until he improved his grades Not timid, but seems to shy away from contact, especially in run force will take several plays off, then make a big hit, then disappear from the action again (lacks consistency) Has excellent weight room numbers, but they fail to translate to the football field (good wrap-up tackler, but not a physical one) Has good leaping ability, but just seems disinterested in elevating and combating for jump balls Tries to run around blockers too much rather than facing up Generally gets fooled on naked bootlegs and there are questions about his read and diagnose skills Will bite on the receiver's double moves and fails to generate a second gear to chase down the receiver when the opponent gets behind him.

Compares To: Michael Boulware, Seattle Seahawks Like Boulware, Harrison looks the part of an imposing strong safety, but his weight room strength fails to translate to the field He is best when playing the man, as he seems disinterested in making plays in a pile He can be fooled often on naked bootlegs and tries to run around blockers rather than engaging them He doesn't have the second gear needed to mirror the receivers on deep routes, but if he is to play strong safety at the next level, he will have to perform with more aggression.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/2007/harrison_brandon

awtysst
04-29-2007, 12:17 PM
Do yall think he could be a starter and a FS starter?

nunusguy
04-29-2007, 12:18 PM
Into the 5th Round, and still no OLineman drafted ? Anybody else surprised ?

Thorn
04-29-2007, 12:19 PM
I don't think Harrison will be a starter, but I bet whoever he replaces on the bench will help the team.

Twitch-Houston
04-29-2007, 12:19 PM
Is Harrison more Strong or Free?

I would guess he's pretty strong, but won't play for free. :shades:

PapaL
04-29-2007, 12:19 PM
He seems to be an in between DB (CB and S).

Thorn
04-29-2007, 12:19 PM
Into the 5th Round, and still no OLineman drafted ? Anybody else surprised ?


I am, and am starting to get worried. Most of the ones left have problems. But they might still be better than our backups. maybe.

Specnatz
04-29-2007, 12:20 PM
Do yall think he could be a starter and a FS starter?

He is in the fith I think right now you can't list him as a starter, he will help on special teams right away but maybe next year be a starter unless he impresses in camp. But don't count on it.

Marcus
04-29-2007, 12:21 PM
Do yall think he could be a starter and a FS starter?

Nope. Project at best. Special teams player for right now.

Il_Bruno
04-29-2007, 12:21 PM
does anyone have any info about this guy?

Twitch-Houston
04-29-2007, 12:22 PM
*edited because what I posted was dumb. You can't pay attention with a screaming baby in your lap...ha ha*

TexanSam
04-29-2007, 12:23 PM
Into the 5th Round, and still no OLineman drafted ? Anybody else surprised ?

I don't think our O-line is as bad as it's made out to be. In previous years, yes, but I don't think it's a glaring whole in our team this season.

HJam72
04-29-2007, 12:23 PM
What if we started Harris and put Faggins at FS?

Maddict5
04-29-2007, 12:24 PM
http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/2007/harrison_brandon

sounds good for a 5th rounder... id say he def has a chance to be our starting FS next year based on that profile

Specnatz
04-29-2007, 12:26 PM
sounds good for a 5th rounder... id say he def has a chance to be our starting FS next year based on that profile

On the site he is listed as a SS, for what that is worth.

CrunkTex
04-29-2007, 12:26 PM
This guy will not start next year or probably ever. He'll help ST but that's about it. Wish we could've taken Kenny Scott, who will eventually start at CB for someone IMO. Harrison was definitely not a BPA pick.

Runner
04-29-2007, 12:31 PM
Into the 5th Round, and still no OLineman drafted ? Anybody else surprised ?

More like disappointed. We do have a couple of good o-lineman and then the remainder of the roster is full of poor to middling ones. Why add another mediocre one at this point?

michaelm
04-29-2007, 12:31 PM
What if we started Harris and put Faggins at FS?

If you're going to move Faggins to safety, and a rookie at CB, maybe it should be CB Bennett instead of SS Harrison???

Thorn
04-29-2007, 12:34 PM
This guy will not start next year or probably ever. He'll help ST but that's about it. Wish we could've taken Kenny Scott, who will eventually start at CB for someone IMO. Harrison was definitely not a BPA pick.


Anything past the 4th round is not likely to be a strong player anyway, otherwise they would have already been taken. Yeah, there have been a few exceptions, but the 5th round on is like picking up throw-aways in free agency. If you can replace a bad player on your team with a mediocre player, you just upgraded yourself.

awtysst
04-29-2007, 12:34 PM
Can Mason Crosby Punt?
If so what would yall think of taking him if available with our next pick?

Maddict5
04-29-2007, 12:34 PM
On the site he is listed as a SS, for what that is worth.

well so is CC so it'll be a battle between those 2...this guy seems to have more potential though as a fs solution- even if its a short-term 1

awtysst
04-29-2007, 12:35 PM
OOH. I liked Josh Gattis.

Specnatz
04-29-2007, 12:38 PM
OOH. I liked Josh Gattis.

Crosby is a Kicker not a punter and I thought the same thing when Gattid was just selected.

Vinny
04-29-2007, 12:43 PM
Into the 5th Round, and still no OLineman drafted ? Anybody else surprised ?not me...I've stated over and over that they wouldn't take an OL since they signed Salaam and Black to back up Winston and Spencer...I think we like our Guards too...the only ? is at C imo....and I think Flanagan and McKinney are gonna be fine there for one more year.

nunusguy
04-29-2007, 12:43 PM
Why add another mediocre one at this point?
The Packers took Alan Barbe and the Cowboys took Doug Free right before us, so they must have seen some potential there ? And both of those guys were excellent candidates for our system.
And I get a kick out of some people claiming the Texans apathy about drafting an Olineman is a good sigh about Spencer's recover. We all know its a long time before that situaion is clarified ?

Vinny
04-29-2007, 12:44 PM
The Packers took Alan Barbe and the Cowboys took Doug Free right before us, so they must have seen some potential there ? And both of those guys were excellent candidates for our system.
And I get a kick out of some people claiming the Texans apathy about drafting an Olineman is a good sigh about Spencer's recover. We all know its a long time before that situaion is clarified ?
We upgraded our line by getting rid of the incredible self sacking QB.

Specnatz
04-29-2007, 12:46 PM
We upgraded our line by getting rid of the incredible self sacking QB.

That was not a shot across the bow, that was a direct hit on the broad side.

:pirate: :vinny:

Marcus
04-29-2007, 12:46 PM
We upgraded our line by getting rid of the incredible self sacking QB.

Just like we upgraded our secondary by getting a DT who can get push up the middle.

awtysst
04-29-2007, 12:48 PM
not me...I've stated over and over that they wouldn't take an OL since they signed Salaam and Black to back up Winston and Spencer...I think we like our Guards too...the only ? is at C imo....and I think Flanagan and McKinney are gonna be fine there for one more year.

Dan Mozes for our Center? What do you think vinny?

Runner
04-29-2007, 12:49 PM
The Packers took Alan Barbe and the Cowboys took Doug Free right before us, so they must have seen some potential there ? And both of those guys were excellent candidates for our system.
And I get a kick out of some people claiming the Texans apathy about drafting an Olineman is a good sigh about Spencer's recover. We all know its a long time before that situaion is clarified ?

Actually, I am just resigned to another year of poor o-line performance. If they are average I would be surprised; average would be a nice step up. I don't think Schaub will change that much about the line play.

We are closer to thin then set at depth. If Spencer doesn't come back, and if Salaam continues his trend of nagging injuries, we might be in trouble. That scenario is just as likely as Spencer being 100% and Salaam finding the fountain of youth.

Center is weak too - I don't really want to see Hodgdon again, and I don't think Flanagan holds up the entire year. That leaves McKinney and ... no one.

PapaL
04-29-2007, 12:49 PM
On other news, David Carr was sacked today in North Carolina grocery story. Details at 10.

CrunkTex
04-29-2007, 12:52 PM
Dan Mozes for our Center? What do you think vinny?
Mozes is very slow. Doug Datish would be a great value right now if we go that direction, and has the experience to contribute right away.

Wolf
04-29-2007, 12:53 PM
Tyler (DC): First the Redskins drafted someone with the last name Landry, now they have drafted someone with the first name Dallas. What is happening to the Redskins' franchise?

KEITH KIDD: Enough said.

too funny (from espn live draft tracker)

nunusguy
04-29-2007, 12:55 PM
We upgraded our line by getting rid of the incredible self sacking QB.
But how much of an upgrade ? Can Schaub's installation as our new QB in and of itself be enough to make our OLine's pass protection acceptable ?
I wish I shared your optimism that it was only that simple.

Runner
04-29-2007, 12:56 PM
I wish I shared your optimism that it was only that simple.

That's OK, you can share my pessimism.

ensign_lee
04-29-2007, 12:59 PM
Honestly, Troy Smith with our next pick I'd kind of like.

For a 5th rounder, I think he has value here.

awtysst
04-29-2007, 01:01 PM
This guy will not start next year or probably ever. He'll help ST but that's about it. Wish we could've taken Kenny Scott, who will eventually start at CB for someone IMO. Harrison was definitely not a BPA pick.

Kenny Scott? According to these guys Scott is the recoming of PBuch
http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/2007/scott_kenny

Marcus
04-29-2007, 01:01 PM
That's OK, you can share my pessimism.

Yeah, well, there's too much of that around here right now, and it's unjustified.

Specnatz
04-29-2007, 01:02 PM
Medlock just went to KC .... damn I liked him more than Crosby.

Wolf
04-29-2007, 01:05 PM
Paul (NC): Do you think David Carr will beat out delhomme? I believe Carr will be a better than average quarterback if he gets better protection.

KEITH KIDD: Delhomme will be the starter. Carr needs to sit behind him and learn for a year before he gets back on the field, although it can all change if Delhomme struggles. I know the Panthers hope that Carr is the answer in 2008.


from live draft chat

vtech9
04-29-2007, 01:05 PM
FS Wendling is still available...we just took a SS, so now we can get Wendling for our FS

STEEL BLUE TEXANS
04-29-2007, 01:07 PM
John Wendling or Rufus Alexander

CrunkTex
04-29-2007, 01:07 PM
Kenny Scott? According to these guys Scott is the recoming of PBuch
http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/2007/scott_kenny
That's fair. The difference is that this guy is a much better tackler, I mean he really lays guys out. His major weakness is that he's very lean and probably needs to bulk up by 15-20 lbs. But as far as guys being picked from now on, he has the best upside.

Twitch-Houston
04-29-2007, 01:08 PM
we're up!

awtysst
04-29-2007, 01:08 PM
Ok here we go

Specnatz
04-29-2007, 01:08 PM
Houston on the clock make your guess now.

Twitch-Houston
04-29-2007, 01:08 PM
Whoops forget this post. NFL network misunderstanding.

Specnatz
04-29-2007, 01:10 PM
I will say .........

Kody Bliss P Aurburn

Twitch-Houston
04-29-2007, 01:10 PM
Brandon Frye.
Tackle

Silver Oak
04-29-2007, 01:11 PM
"good solid pick"-Mike Mayock

Thorn
04-29-2007, 01:11 PM
another defensive player would by my guess, based on what I've seen

awtysst
04-29-2007, 01:12 PM
and its Branden Frye OT Va Tech

STEEL BLUE TEXANS
04-29-2007, 01:12 PM
Brandon Frye it is.

Specnatz
04-29-2007, 01:12 PM
well there is your OL guy ... surprise in a way not taking a Punter or Kicker here maybe in the 6th.

Thorn
04-29-2007, 01:15 PM
I like what I read on Frye on the NFL site. He positives are good, and his negatives are coachable. A good solid backup that could very be a starter if he loses a few bad habits.

And he's built like an offensive line. I like this one. Good pick.

Runner
04-29-2007, 01:17 PM
Yeah, well, there's too much of that around here right now, and it's unjustified.

Unjustified? How do you characterize the optimism that is mainly based on "the Texans made the move, so it is good".

I take contention with the fact that our bad o-line got better without Spencer and with another year on the legs of Salaam and Flanagan. I don't think it is too pessimistic to argue that the addition of Jordan Black and an unproven QB has not fixed the line.

--------------------------

Brandon Frye it is.


Huh - I guess the coaches thought we needed o-line help too. Makes for a crowded roster going into camp. Black to guard? Hodgdon gone?

nunusguy
04-29-2007, 01:18 PM
Really athletic for the position...Has decent size and the frame to get bigger...He moves well and has great feet...Tough and will play hurt...Very strong...Excels as a pass blocker but can run block as well...Good bloodlines...Still has some upside.

Weaknesses:
Was only a starter for one season in college...Will need to bulk up...He plays too high and with poor leverage...Doesn't have great balance...Weight room strength doesn't always translate to the field...Soft?...Raw and not yet a finished product.

Notes:
His father, Stan Rome, played football and basketball at Clemson and went on to play wide receiver for the NFL Kansas City Chiefs...Was a tight end in high school and began his college career as a defensive end...A real interesting prospect who certainly has some physical tools to work with...May be a nice developmental guy
http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/ot/brandonfrye.html
********
Finally an OLineman pick, if only as a "development guy" for the future as his description says.
I dunno, but maybe this dearth of OLine picks were bugging Messers Schaub & McClaine and they got on the horn to S & K ?

rmartin65
04-29-2007, 01:28 PM
Hey just got here, was watching the draft with some of my friends. I am Ok with the Okoye pick. The big problem is thats 4 years with a first round DL. I like the Jones pick. The corner in the 4th was good, but another SS? I would have liked to look at another position, maybe FS or a LB. And the Frye pick, its cool. As a whole, so far, I am not mad or happy. Just kinda bleh.

Silver Oak
04-29-2007, 01:29 PM
for whatever reason, someone on the NFL network said at least twice that Frye would have to swith to RT. He never offered up why, but the video they showed they all complimented his moving and blocking.

TXNGRL
04-29-2007, 01:30 PM
What the heck is up w/Mel Kiper's hair??? Helmet head for sure...

Hey i may have missed it, cause I just started watching day 2...have we drafted a kicker yet? Are their any strong kickers available? Should we draft one? Your opinion wanted...

:texflag:

Specnatz
04-29-2007, 01:33 PM
What the heck is up w/Mel Kiper's hair??? Helmet head for sure...

Hey i may have missed it, cause I just started watching day 2...have we drafted a kicker yet? Are their any strong kickers available? Should we draft one? Your opinion wanted...

:texflag:

No kicker as of yet.

Martin you forget TJ and babin were capers picks, ya know drafting square pegs to fit in round holes. This year and last year we drafted very athletic guys.

Marcus
04-29-2007, 01:33 PM
Unjustified? How do you characterize the optimism that is mainly based on "the Texans made the move, so it is good".

I take contention with the fact that our bad o-line got better without Spencer and with another year on the legs of Salaam and Flanagan. I don't think it is too pessimistic to argue that the addition of Jordan Black and an unproven QB has not fixed the line.

--------------------------

Huh - I guess the coaches thought we needed o-line help too. Makes for a crowded roster going into camp. Black to guard? Hodgdon gone?

Well, are you happier now? Still seems like you have a glass half empty take on it. Casserly's gone, remember?

Specnatz
04-29-2007, 01:35 PM
Baltimore just drafted midget qb.

Vinny
04-29-2007, 01:36 PM
for whatever reason, someone on the NFL network said at least twice that Frye would have to swith to RT. He never offered up why, but the video they showed they all complimented his moving and blocking.
Draft Insiders says he doesn't have the ability to play OT in the NFL....I bet he will play mostly at G.

TXNGRL
04-29-2007, 01:36 PM
Well, are you happier now? Still seems like you have a glass half empty take on it. Cassery's gone, remember?

Thou shalt not mention his name...ever!

CrunkTex
04-29-2007, 01:37 PM
Troy Smith will be an NFL starter in 3 years. Write that down.
Ravens just took him. I now feel very confident in that prediction.

Specnatz
04-29-2007, 01:37 PM
Ravens just took him. I now feel very confident in that prediction.

why because they had such success with the QBs in the past?

Silver Oak
04-29-2007, 01:37 PM
It's a wonder Deion didn't go to Troy Smith's house and stick a microphone in his face asking how it feels to have been passed over so many times....as he did to Quinn yesterday.

Specnatz
04-29-2007, 01:39 PM
It's a wonder Deion didn't go to Troy Smith's house and stick a microphone in his face asking how it feels to have been passed over so many times....as he did to Quinn yesterday.

He wont do that because of a certain thing that I will not mention. (it is not the school they went to either) :bat:

dickieb
04-29-2007, 01:40 PM
I wouldn't sweat getting a kicker yet. You don't have to draft kickers, you can find them anywhere. Didn't we (the Houston Oilers) get Al Del Greco from a bar somewhere?

awtysst
04-29-2007, 01:41 PM
Ravens just took him. I now feel very confident in that prediction.

Define starter. Do you mean a spot starter and career backup or letgit full fledged 16 game starter?

Vinny
04-29-2007, 01:41 PM
Del Greco was already an established NFL kicker though...it's not like we just took some guy out of a bar.

CrunkTex
04-29-2007, 01:41 PM
why because they had such success with the QBs in the past?
I think you can answer your own question.

Vinny
04-29-2007, 01:42 PM
Ravens just took him. I now feel very confident in that prediction.

I'm sure you gotta love Shawn King too...they are clones.

CrunkTex
04-29-2007, 01:43 PM
Define starter. Do you mean a spot starter and career backup or letgit full fledged 16 game starter?
McNair has one or two more years. I don't doubt that Smith has the talent to beat out Boller. If he can do that, he will get the chance to be a 16 game starter for as long as he warrants it.

Silver Oak
04-29-2007, 01:44 PM
Datish is still available at Center.

TXNGRL
04-29-2007, 01:45 PM
I wouldn't sweat getting a kicker yet. You don't have to draft kickers, you can find them anywhere. Didn't we (the Houston Oilers) get Al Del Greco from a bar somewhere?

That's true..I think he bought me a drink...but of course, I was under aged then. :shades:

Specnatz
04-29-2007, 01:46 PM
I think you can answer your own question.

Banks (2yrs)
Grbac (1yr end of his career)
Blake (1 yr)
Boller (3 bad years)

Yep I can ... they have all sucked.

MorKnolle
04-29-2007, 01:46 PM
Datish is still available at Center.

Datish should be an OG, he struggled at C several times this season, I remember several bad snaps and I've heard as much if not more about him as an OG on the next level than a C.

As for kickers, Kris Brown improved throughout the year last year, I'm not sure on the credibility of his excuse of re-working his form last year causing his early struggles, but still he was fairly solid later in the year. Punter is the bigger need on special teams (although we could definitely use competition at both spots), but I'm not a big fan of drafting either position.

CrunkTex
04-29-2007, 01:46 PM
Down with Kris Brown. Mason Crosby...hold one time!!

MorKnolle
04-29-2007, 01:55 PM
Any guesses for the 6th round pick coming up in a minute?

I'd guess LB with Prescott Burgess, Rory Johnson, Brandon Siler, and Tony Taylor all available. Maybe another DB with Michael Johnson, David Irons, and Ryan Smith available.

dickieb
04-29-2007, 01:55 PM
Who do we take, we are on the clock????

awtysst
04-29-2007, 01:57 PM
We choose kasey Studdard OG Texas

I thought he didnt really fit the ZBS?

Specnatz
04-29-2007, 01:57 PM
Kasey Studdard G

This should appease the tssipers.

STEEL BLUE TEXANS
04-29-2007, 01:57 PM
Kasey Studdard

This should bring Longhorn Nation back to the Texans and away from the Titans. lol

alphajoker
04-29-2007, 01:58 PM
Kasey Studdard, G, Texas...getting more o-line help now.

MorKnolle
04-29-2007, 01:58 PM
And we go with more OLine depth, Kasey Studdard from Texas. We finally pick a Longhorn for those of you fans that think there is a conspiracy against them.

Texan Asylum
04-29-2007, 01:58 PM
Whats-a-happenin? :texflag:

Specnatz
04-29-2007, 02:00 PM
Whats-a-happenin? :texflag:

Watching baseball and the Draft.

STEEL BLUE TEXANS
04-29-2007, 02:00 PM
Damn, I was hoping for Wendling. He goes 1 pick after us.

Texan Asylum
04-29-2007, 02:01 PM
Anyone else excited about the draft so far? :cool:

Silver Oak
04-29-2007, 02:02 PM
he has some experience at Center as well. also read he is very aggresive ocking defenders.

nothing appeases the whorn fans.

FirstTexansFan
04-29-2007, 02:02 PM
Positives: Durable, tough blue-collar type who plays with true aggression Lacks speed, balance and size, but can dominate when utilizing his impressive strength Shows very good hand placement and punch, but needs to drive harder with his legs on contact Will play with pain and works hard until the whistle Will not back down from a challenge and shows good aggression finishing his blocks Does a good job of picking up stunts and is alert to defensive coverages Has a good understanding of game situations and does a good job of communicating with the center on combo blocks Hard worker in the training room and takes pride in his leadership role Has the short-area quickness to come out of his stance and attack the defender with force Not sudden in his movements, but has the strong hands needed to lock on and sustain Can get out and gain movement on the short pull, but will lose balance when having to run past the second level When he gets his hands into the opponent's chest, he has the strength to gain advantage and move the pile Has the upper-body power to combat counter moves and the punch to rock back the opponent Keeps those hands active to latch on and drive through the defender Showed much better kick slide in 2006 than he did in the past, especially when picking up stunts His hand punch allows him to create separation, and he has the strong base to get stationary and protect the pocket.

Negatives: Has marginal upper-body muscle definition and lower-body development Bit stiff in his hips, and possesses a soft midsection Shorter than ideal and needs to add more bulk to his frame Best when blocking in the short area, as he gets too narrow with his stance and loses balance when having to run long distances Lacks the agility and lateral quickness to get out and seal on the edge His hip stiffness prevent him from rolling and generating explosion off the ball, as he is more prone to bend at his waist than at the knees Will cut and leave his feet too often when working in space Despite his strong hand punch, he fails to extend his arms in attempts to make reach blocks Too slow moving his feet to mirror the defender in pass protection Tends to get up on his toes when asked to trap and pull, leaving him susceptible to being jerked down by the defender's hand action Liability on the sweeps, as he struggles to locate targets on the move Best when blocking in-line, as he doesn't have the quickness, nor does he take good angles to neutralize linebackers in space Must do a better job of keeping his feet when moving past the line of scrimmage Has very strong hands, but will short-arm, lean and push the defender when he loses mirror rather than grab and hold on in attempts to steer.

Compares To: Kendyl Jacox, Miami Dolphins -- Like Jacox, Studdard is a physical battler working in-line, but lacks the balance, loose hips and foot speed to be effective getting out on pulls and traps He gets up on his toes too much, causing him to struggle against moving targets, but his hand strength is evident once he locks on and controls the defender with brute force Because of his lack of hip roll, he might be better suited to play center at the next level.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/2007/studdard_kasey

TXNGRL
04-29-2007, 02:03 PM
And we go with more OLine depth, Kasey Studdard from Texas. We finally pick a Longhorn for those of you fans that think there is a conspiracy against them.

I was beginning to think so! Seems like a good pick. Known as a classic overachiever....like the sound of that.

Thorn
04-29-2007, 02:03 PM
Studdard will be a project, if he even makes the team. He could very well end up on the practice squad though. Oh well, time to run errands now. I doubt anything significant will happen with the next pick.

Maybe we might get that kicker or punter yall are looking for in the 7th.

Specnatz
04-29-2007, 02:04 PM
Anyone else excited about the draft so far? :cool:

Not flashy but I like it. The :d: should be fun to watch.

Twitch-Houston
04-29-2007, 02:09 PM
Not flashy but I like it. The :d: should be fun to watch.

I agree. I love watching a good defense almost as much as watching some big offensive plays.

Mr. White
04-29-2007, 02:10 PM
And we go with more OLine depth, Kasey Studdard from Texas. We finally pick a Longhorn for those of you fans that think there is a conspiracy against them.

And an OLineman for those fans that think there is a conspiracy against them.

Wolf
04-29-2007, 02:12 PM
we did draft sloan thomas in 2004 7th round

but he is somewhere else in the league I guess

Specnatz
04-29-2007, 02:13 PM
Green bay on the clock to the 3rd power.

Twitch-Houston
04-29-2007, 02:13 PM
And an OLineman for those fans that think there is a conspiracy against them.

Rosie O'Donnell and Charlie Sheen? :gun:

Texan Asylum
04-29-2007, 02:14 PM
Not flashy but I like it. The :d: should be fun to watch.

I agree. I love watching a good defense almost as much as watching some big offensive plays.

I've never really liked watching the defense in action during a game, but last year turned that around for me. Demeco and Mario was a thrill to watch! What's nice about them is that they should get better and better as time goes on. Adding Okoye to that recipe, and the defense should be the highlight of our games. Add the new mix to the offense we have now, and I believe this year will be the breakout year we've all looked forward to! :texflag:

Wolf
04-29-2007, 02:18 PM
I've never really liked watching the defense in action during a game, but last year turned that around for me. Demeco and Mario was a thrill to watch! What's nice about them is that they should get better and better as time goes on. Adding Okoye to that recipe, and the defense should be the highlight of our games. Add the new mix to the offense we have now, and I believe this year will be the breakout year we've all looked forward to! :texflag:

agreed.. kid is 19 and mario as of Jan 31st, Just turned 22

that and Demeco(23 when june comes up)... :splits:

Maddict5
04-29-2007, 02:19 PM
i like that studdard can play C...decent depth

Texan Asylum
04-29-2007, 02:22 PM
agreed.. kid is 19 and mario as of Jan 31st, Just turned 22

that and Demeco(23 when june comes up)... :splits:
That's a LOT of years of RUIN coming to the rest of the league, that's for sure! :bat:

Vinny
04-29-2007, 02:26 PM
I've never really liked watching the defense in action during a game, but last year turned that around for me. Demeco and Mario was a thrill to watch! What's nice about them is that they should get better and better as time goes on. Adding Okoye to that recipe, and the defense should be the highlight of our games. Add the new mix to the offense we have now, and I believe this year will be the breakout year we've all looked forward to! :texflag:

I like the fact that we are building the defense up with some youngsters who grade high coming out of college...now we just need them to play to their status...and it should start to get fun around here soon.

Twitch-Houston
04-29-2007, 02:32 PM
Looks like they finally got the Okoye official announcement video up and running properly.

http://www.houstontexans.com/tv/

nunusguy
04-29-2007, 02:34 PM
The 6th rounder, the guard out of Texas clearly "does not" fit the profile of the type of lineman they've been getting so far ? So I dunno what to think ?
I see his Dad played for the Bronocs, maybe his family is friends with the Kubiaks ? Kinda like Kubiak drafted one of his sons buddies from Colorado State last year.

Texan Asylum
04-29-2007, 02:41 PM
I like the fact that we are building the defense up with some youngsters who grade high coming out of college...now we just need them to play to their status...and it should start to get fun around here soon.

From a thread I just started. Please forgive the misspelling in the thread though. Could you fix that for me Vin if Tex84 hasn't yet?

http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=659246&postcount=1

Compares To: Reggie White, ex-Philadelphia/Green Bay To compare a player to White is something that can not be done without much consideration But the more you see Okoye on game films, the more convinced you become that he will not only have a long, fruitful career, but will continue to grow both physically and mentally...

...Okoye is The NFL Draft Report's top-rated player for the 2007 draft.

Il_Bruno
04-29-2007, 02:46 PM
So with Studdard on board, is it bye bye hodgon time?



I like the Studdard pick, he has experience playing against some top D-linemen in college, and while some say he doesnt fit into the ZBS i think he'll be fine.



Im liking this draft a lot, its just too bad we didnt have a second to play with (yeah yeah that second is matt schuab...)


I really give Rick and Kubes a high grade this off season considering all the holes they had and the small amount of money they had to do it.

Specnatz
04-29-2007, 02:53 PM
So with Studdard on board, is it bye bye hodgon time?



I like the Studdard pick, he has experience playing against some top D-linemen in college, and while some say he doesnt fit into the ZBS i think he'll be fine.



Im liking this draft a lot, its just too bad we didnt have a second to play with (yeah yeah that second is matt schuab...)


I really give Rick and Kubes a high grade this off season considering all the holes they had and the small amount of money they had to do it.


I am not sure if it spells the end of Hogdon, not yet anyway. It all depends on what Frye and Studdard do in camp and during preseason. They are late round guys.

Vinny
04-29-2007, 02:57 PM
I don't think Hogdon makes the team this year

TexanSam
04-29-2007, 03:03 PM
I really give Rick and Kubes a high grade this off season considering all the holes they had and the small amount of money they had to do it.

Just wait for next offseason when we do have money to spend!

Specnatz
04-29-2007, 03:08 PM
Just wait for next offseason when we do have money to spend!

I just hope they do not try and do it like the redskins, ya know over paying for players and giving away draft picks in signings. I want them still to be very choosy in who they go after.

Also, there is still june 1st cuts. Anyone have any info on who might be on the chopping block?

awtysst
04-29-2007, 03:08 PM
I don't think Hogdon makes the team this year

sadly another of Cass's boys off the team.

awtysst
04-29-2007, 03:23 PM
how about that arizona Punter/Kicker int he 7th?

edit: NM he went in the 6th.

Vinny
04-29-2007, 03:25 PM
how about that arizona Punter/Kicker int he 7th?

edit: NM he went in the 6th.
I'd like to see either Selvin Young or Jackie Battle myself.

MorKnolle
04-29-2007, 03:29 PM
2 picks left to go until our final pick of this draft, any predictions?

Porky
04-29-2007, 03:29 PM
I'd like to see either Selvin Young or Jackie Battle myself.

Ya, you mentioned Battle. I still like Ben Patrick here as well. I wonder why he has dropped so far. There must be something we don't know about him. I like Battle right here as well.

Specnatz
04-29-2007, 03:30 PM
I'd like to see either Selvin Young or Jackie Battle myself.

I like Battle a lot that way Cook can be released.

MorKnolle
04-29-2007, 03:32 PM
Ya, you mentioned Battle. I still like Ben Patrick here as well. I wonder why he has dropped so far. There must be something we don't know about him. I like Battle right here as well.

Ben Patrick just went, would have been intriguing. Maybe Michael Johnson from Arizona since he's still available? Maybe a LB like Rory Johnson or Brandon Siler? Darius Walker or Chansi Stuckey?

Specnatz
04-29-2007, 03:32 PM
were up.

dickieb
04-29-2007, 03:34 PM
I want Darius Walker or Nate Harris.