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RTP2110
04-26-2007, 10:20 PM
I wonder if the Falcons are wishing the had Schaub back right about now.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/6743208?MSNHPHMA

gtexan02
04-26-2007, 10:25 PM
Dog fighting is completely despicable. If Vick is found to be related to this, he should be kicked out with the same switfness of pacman.

60 dogs, all or most of them scarred, injured, or malnourished...disgusting

brakos82
04-26-2007, 10:28 PM
That's what you get for allowing gangs in cities.. :gun: :cowboy1:

Koolaid Time
04-27-2007, 01:53 AM
Dog fighting is completely despicable. If Vick is found to be related to this, he should be kicked out with the same switfness of pacman.

60 dogs, all or most of them scarred, injured, or malnourished...disgusting

How much you want to bet that Arthur Blank and the Falcons will use this to void the balance due of Vick's humongous contract under the NFL's new Code of Conduct?

HJam72
04-27-2007, 06:10 AM
Did anyone notice that D. Carr has apparently been released from the Panthers already, and is a cop on this case now? :user:

The whole team is running a dog fighting ring, lol. Guess it is kind of sad, actually.

TigerV1
04-27-2007, 08:26 AM
Dog fighting is completely despicable. If Vick is found to be related to this, he should be kicked out with the same switfness of pacman.

60 dogs, all or most of them scarred, injured, or malnourished...disgusting

On top of that they also found whips, treadmills, and injectable drugs that were used on the dogs. They need to throw the book at this guy and not look back.

infantrycak
04-27-2007, 09:14 AM
There is no way he can credibly deny knowing about 60 dogs at his property.

V Man
04-27-2007, 09:19 AM
After reading the article, I had forgotten how many times Vick has been in the bad press lately; the Ron Mexico incident, flipping off the fans, the secret compartment bottle, and now dog fighting. I wonder when Goodell will step in and suspend him like he did with Pacman and C. Henry.

Koolaid Time
04-27-2007, 12:51 PM
After reading the article, I had forgotten how many times Vick has been in the bad press lately; the Ron Mexico incident, flipping off the fans, the secret compartment bottle, and now dog fighting. I wonder when Goodell will step in and suspend him like he did with Pacman and C. Henry.


I think that this is all leading up to justification for the nullification of Vick's 90 million dollar contract.

Atlanta wants to get rid of him so bad, but can't with that contract.

Errant Hothy
04-27-2007, 12:54 PM
I think that this is all leading up to justification for the nullification of Vick's 90 million dollar contract.

Atlanta wants to get rid of him so bad, but can't with that contract.

And yet they traded away Schaub. I'm starting to wonder if we got a better deal then intially thought, just due to Vick's behaviour.

infantrycak
05-01-2007, 05:16 PM
Looks like the feds may be interested even if the locals are not:

It now appears that there will not be a quick exoneration of Vick. Patrick Terpstra of WVEC-TV reports that federal investigators have joined in the effort. And if this thing has caught the attention of the feds, it means that (at a minimum) Vick will be required to answer tough questions from men and women who have been BSed enough to know when they're being BSed.

from PFT.com rumormill

Porky
05-01-2007, 05:30 PM
Looks like the feds may be interested even if the locals are not:



from PFT.com rumormill

Good, because it looked like it was all going to be swept under the rug, and Roger Goodell hasn't said one word about it specifically or Vick in general. I think both the Falcons and the league need to step up to the plate here. If anyone actually thinks Vick didn't know what was going on there, I have some ocean front property in Arizona I want to sell you. In the end, he will probably get the superstar treatment - IE, forced to apoligize, some kind of fine, and a slap on the wrist, and it will all go away. If this was the backup punter, he would be thrown in prison for this. Won't happen with Vick, but it should. As a dog and animal lover, I know what I would like to do. :bat:

Specnatz
05-01-2007, 06:08 PM
Good, because it looked like it was all going to be swept under the rug, and Roger Goodell hasn't said one word about it specifically or Vick in general. I think both the Falcons and the league need to step up to the plate here. If anyone actually thinks Vick didn't know what was going on there, I have some ocean front property in Arizona I want to sell you. In the end, he will probably get the superstar treatment - IE, forced to apoligize, some kind of fine, and a slap on the wrist, and it will all go away. If this was the backup punter, he would be thrown in prison for this. Won't happen with Vick, but it should. As a dog and animal lover, I know what I would like to do. :bat:

Feed him to the 66 dogs who were being mistreated? :wild:

infantrycak
05-01-2007, 07:21 PM
He owned the property. It needs to be proven that he acted in accordance. Hell, my landlord never knew 1/10th of what went down in my house.

Did you build $100k of improvements you couldn't afford on the property?

Errant Hothy
05-01-2007, 07:36 PM
Ah, no. Still, they have to find the trail that proves Vick did it.

I don't know. IF he paid for the kennels to be built and the rest, that would seem to lead to him fairly quickly.

infantrycak
05-02-2007, 08:36 AM
WAVY-TV possibly has taken the ball and slammed it through the hoop; Surry County prosecutor Gerald Poindexter told the station that Vick's claim is "totally bogus."

"There's no question Michael Vick comes here," Poindexter said.

As to the notion that Vick knows nothing of the dog-related activities at the property, Poindexter observed, "The man is a registered breeder of pit bulls. Obviously he's in the dog business."

WAVY also reports that neighbors complained of suspicious dog-related activity as early as 2003. In file footage taken when the house was being built, the buildings that housed the dogs can be seen, along with what appears to be dog-training equipment and signs warning of the presence of dogs.

Here's the kicker. One of the men who helped build the house told WAVY that, during construction of the 4,700-square-foot residence, Vick routinely was at the property. The workers saw at least 40 dogs and equipment commonly used to train fighting dogs.

from PFT.com rumormill

So much for Vick not knowing.

SheTexan
05-02-2007, 09:46 AM
Is this still being swept under the carpet? Seems to have fallen under the radar.

Texan_Bill
05-02-2007, 10:11 AM
Is this still being swept under the carpet? Seems to have fallen under the radar.

Not really She... I was watching NFLN last night and they brought it up again.

infantrycak
05-02-2007, 10:35 AM
We'll see if there is real superstar scamming if any indictments come down. The feds aren't likely to give a whole lot of local hero deference. There is a federal anti-dog fighting law but it may need more proof such as interstate activity or gambling--both of which were undoubtedly going on here.

Texan_Bill
05-02-2007, 10:39 AM
Unfortunately (or fortunately depending on how you view it), "having knowledge" is just so hard to prove... That's what I think will determine whether or not this goes away.... The prosecutors will have the burden of proof.

Double Barrel
05-02-2007, 10:53 AM
I think it's obvious that Vick knew about it, but proving it in a court of law might be a different story.

I hope they get him, though, because dog fighting is a disgusting event.

infantrycak
05-02-2007, 11:35 AM
I think it's obvious that Vick knew about it, but proving it in a court of law might be a different story.

I hope they get him, though, because dog fighting is a disgusting event.

I don't know, the evidence appears to be mounting to something which a jury will pretty easily buy if the reports are true:

1) kennels and fighting equipment part of the original construction project for the house and construction crews testify about Vick's presence and payments
2) Vick a registered dog breeder
3) Vick's Pit Bull's website lists his street name at his personal residence rather than the Virginia residence
4) neighbors testify to regular monthly visits
5) possibly multiple neighbor complaints which investigators may have followed up with the home's owner rather than just the resident

Let's not forget society's pretty severe dislike generally for both pitt bulls and dog fighting. Lot's of folks will assume 60 pitt bulls were obviously for fighting.

Errant Hothy
05-04-2007, 09:54 AM
It's not getting any better for Vick:

Falcons | Dog-breeding site uses Vick's name to promote business
Thu, 3 May 2007 22:10:53 -0700

The Associated Press reports a business known as "Mike Vick K-9 Kennels" shows Atlanta Falcons QB Michael Vick's apparent interest in dog breeding. The address for the kennel was listed as Moonlight Road in Suffolk, Va. A home that Vick owned in nearby Smithfield, Va., was raided last week when police conducted a drug investigation, and is also on Moonlight Road. Police reported finding dozens of dogs, some injured and emaciated, during the raid. The site said Vick specializes in breeding registered puppies ranging from pit bull terriers to "the highly intelligent and powerful Presa Canario." The site adds, "We breed specifically for ourselves first and foremost, and when/if we do sell puppies to the public, all prospective buyers are carefully screened. We do not promote, support, or raise dogs for fighting and will not knowingly sell, give, or trade any dog that may be used for fighting. Our dogs are all family pets and our puppies are all socialized and home raised."

red_dirt
05-04-2007, 02:49 PM
On the upside, Marcus Vick is out of a job, he can come help with the dog fight ring.

Seriously, I have a buddy who is a pit bull breeder, and he doesn't do dog fighting. While I don't personally prefer the dogs, I think they are good animals and have a partially overblown bad rep.

Errant Hothy
05-11-2007, 05:26 PM
Vick has sold the infamous dog house:
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/headline/sports/4796643.html

John Brooks, an agent with Long & Foster, told the newspaper that the two-story brick house was put up for sale on Wednesday and sold the same day. Vick was asking $350,000 for the property — less than half its assessed value of $747,000. Brooks would not reveal the sale price.

Silver Oak
05-14-2007, 08:10 AM
Interesting that Michael Griffin, the #1 pick of the titans this draft, lists pit bull breeding and raising as one of his hobbies.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Griffin_(football_player)

infantrycak
05-14-2007, 09:06 AM
Interesting that Michael Griffin, the #1 pick of the titans this draft, lists pit bull breeding and raising as one of his hobbies.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Griffin_(football_player)

So did Domanick Davis--had three or four tattoos of them. There are probably a lot of players who have these breeds and have occasional litters but there is a whole different scope to the dog factory Vick was running.

Porky
05-14-2007, 11:02 AM
ANOTHER BOMBSHELL: BUCHANAN SAYS VICK FIGHTS DOGS

In a Friday afternoon interview with our buddy Steve Duemig of 620 WDAE in Tampa, Chris Landry of Fox Sports Radio said that former Atlanta Falcons defensive back Ray Buchanan told Landry on the weekend of the NFL draft that Vick is directly involved in dog fighting.

Said Landry of his discussion with Buchanan: "He tells me that Michael has been into this dog fighting for so long that . . . .he not only knew about, he is behind all of it, he's paying for all of it. . . . Apparently, he's into it big time."

Landry also said that Vick was actively recruiting teammates to become involved in the "sport." The audio of the Landry interview can be heard right here. (there is a link to the audio on the PFT website)

Buchanan was a member of the Falcons for the first three years of Vick's career.

It'll be interesting to see what Buchanan has to say when someone calls him up in response to this item.

http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm

Koolaid Time
05-15-2007, 08:09 PM
I'm in Atlanta for business and the sports talk shows, especially 680 AM have been going bonkers about the "extensive" paper trail between Vick and the Kennel that supposedly breeds fighting dogs.

Add that to the Sussex County District Attorney, who seems to be a "Reverse Nifong" by not meeting with investigators or taking any action to develop any case that may be there.

Texan_Bill
05-16-2007, 09:06 AM
SHE, this is definitely NOT being swept under the carpet:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=jc-vick051407&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

SheTexan
05-16-2007, 10:25 AM
SHE, this is definitely NOT being swept under the carpet:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=jc-vick051407&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

Thanks Bill, BUT, after all is said and done, the creep will take a walk. JMO! Surely the part about 5 yrs in prison and/or a $2500 fine was a misquote.

I just wish every linebacker in the NFL was a dog lover, and would make MV pay for every innocent dog he has financed to be brutally mangled or killed. He is a dispicable human being!! JMO!!

I'm thinking about making a trip to Atlanta in Sept instead of Carolina! Sporting a HUGE banner that says "TEXANS against cruelty to animals!"

The Pencil Neck
05-16-2007, 10:27 AM
Thanks Bill, BUT, after all is said and done, the creep will take a walk. JMO! Surely the part about 5 yrs in prison and/or a $2500 fine was a misquote.

I just wish every linebacker in the NFL was a dog lover, and would make MV pay for every innocent dog he has financed to be brutally mangled or killed. He is a dispicable human being!! JMO!!

I'm thinking about making a trip to Atlanta in Sept instead of Carolina! Sporting a HUGE banner that says "TEXANS against cruelty to animals!"


TEXANS against cruelty to Animals - TEXANS for cruelty to Vick.

:fans:

Koolaid Time
05-16-2007, 08:31 PM
Lets get Hank to sing that tune.. because little Mike is up the creek...

http://www.ajc.com/sports/content/sports/falcons/stories/2007/05/15/0516vick.html

Surry County (Va.) Commonwealth's Attorney Gerald Poindexter will meet with Sheriff Harold Brown and investigators Monday to review evidence of dogfighting discovered at a property owned by Falcons quarterback Michael Vick.
Poindexter told the Journal-Constitution on Tuesday that he was recently contacted by Brown to schedule a meeting, the first time he had been approached by investigators to review evidence. Police initially went to the property owned by Vick on April 25 in a drug investigation involving Vick's cousin. Evidence of dogfighting, including nearly 70 dogs, mostly pit bulls, was collected over several days.

Marcus
05-18-2007, 06:40 PM
Congressman pushes action against Vick (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070518/ap_on_sp_fo_ne/fbn_congress_vick;_ylt=AoAXfazwtYD9mNpP_9nP8vkLMxI F)

A California congressman has joined the cause against Michael Vick, firing off a letter Friday that urged NFL commissioner Roger Goodell to "act swiftly and forcefully" if the Atlanta Falcons' quarterback was involved in dog fighting on his former property.

U.S. Rep. Tom Lantos (D-Calif.) pointed out that he's a senior member of the Oversight and Government Reform Committee, which two years ago held highly publicized hearings on the use of performance-enhancing drugs in professional sports.

Lantos raised the prospect of government intervention if the NFL fails to discipline Vick.

"I am outraged that one of the National Football League's superstars is affiliated with such a heinous enterprise," Lantos wrote.

:whip:

Porky
05-18-2007, 06:55 PM
Congressman pushes action against Vick (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070518/ap_on_sp_fo_ne/fbn_congress_vick;_ylt=AoAXfazwtYD9mNpP_9nP8vkLMxI F)



:whip:

Probably a Raiders fan. :shades:

But, seriousely, I am pretty outraged about it as well. If it takes an act of Congress to do something, so be it.

Blazing Arrow
05-18-2007, 07:08 PM
Anything less then a season suspension would be an insult to the league after what Goodell has done this season.

nunusguy
05-18-2007, 07:48 PM
Perhaps Ron Mexicos biggest transgression was getting something less than steller legal advice ? Isn't this "sport" still legal in NM & LA ?
And Ron Mexico is a sportsman to be sure. Actually kinda reminiscent of the Plantation owners of the Confederate era. The irony is delicious.

Double Barrel
05-18-2007, 08:43 PM
I just wish every linebacker in the NFL was a dog lover, and would make MV pay for every innocent dog he has financed to be brutally mangled or killed. He is a dispicable human being!! JMO!!


It's not just your opinion. I agree with you 100%. This is truly dispicable.

Second Honeymoon
05-18-2007, 10:22 PM
Perhaps Ron Mexicos biggest transgression was getting something less than steller legal advice ? Isn't this "sport" still legal in NM & LA ?
And Ron Mexico is a sportsman to be sure. Actually kinda reminiscent of the Plantation owners of the Confederate era. The irony is delicious.

?!?!?!? not so fast there, buddy.....that being said, Vick is a dirtbag for being involved in this sick and twisted form of entertainment.

whiskeyrbl
05-19-2007, 05:01 AM
Anything less then a season suspension would be an insult to the league after what Goodell has done this season.

If this is all true , anything less than a couple years behind bars would be an insult.

awtysst
05-19-2007, 12:40 PM
Anything less then a season suspension would be an insult to the league after what Goodell has done this season.

He won't get suspended a whole year unless he is arrested for this. At the moment it is an allegation and there is no solid proof. At best, Vick is naive to what has happened, at worst he is fully integrated. If he does get arrested, I think Goodell has to suspend him for at least 8 games. He wont be gone for the whole season though becuase he is Michael Vick, and Michael Vick is a cash cow for the league.

He should be gone for the year, but he wont. Oh, and the individual in my avatar told me that if he ever sees Vick, he will stand up for his fallen brethern and tear Vick a new one.

SheTexan
05-19-2007, 04:08 PM
Oh, and the individual in my avatar told me that if he ever sees Vick, he will stand up for his fallen brethern and tear Vick a new one.

Smart doggie ya have there awtysst!! My little 5 lb poodle told me she would get him where it hurts!! All you guys should know where that is!!:)

swtbound07
05-19-2007, 04:17 PM
innocent until proven guilty. Quell the outrage until and unless he sits before a jury of his peers.

Specnatz
05-19-2007, 04:33 PM
innocent until proven guilty. Quell the outrage until and unless he sits before a jury of his peers.

Nah lynch in the mob of public opinion. It is a lot more fun.

real
05-19-2007, 04:42 PM
innocent until proven guilty. Quell the outrage until and unless he sits before a jury of his peers.

I'm a huge Vick fan. But I can't even see an alley-way around this. This is terrible and Vick will be dealt with.

Goldensilence
05-21-2007, 01:39 PM
I give you a falcon fan's defense of Mike Vick.

http://boards.atlantafalcons.com/index.php?showtopic=249366


:user:

OzzO
05-21-2007, 01:45 PM
Attention Texans announcer / music staff:
VICK GETS CANINE TREATMENT IN THE CAYMANS

Arash Markazi of SI.com reports that Falcons quarterback Mike Vick was greeted by fans who were barking and chanting "Who let the dogs out?" when Vick participated in the NFL Quarterback Challenge on Saturday at the Cayman Islands.

But Vick apparently didn't mind the razzing. "They were awesome," said Vick. "They were into it. They were just having a great time."

(It's good that Vick wasn't bothered, because we have a feeling that it will be a common theme in every stadium in which he plays this year -- and possibly from time to time on his home turf at the Georgia Dome.)....

PFT (http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm)

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA
http://www.profootballtalk.com/VickShoes.jpg

Texan_Bill
05-21-2007, 04:52 PM
I give you a falcon fan's defense of Mike Vick.

http://boards.atlantafalcons.com/index.php?showtopic=249366


:user:

Grammar police aside, I think Mike Vick writed that furst post hisself...

Second Honeymoon
05-21-2007, 05:27 PM
fans chanting 'Who let the dogs out'....man that is genius.

TexansSeminole
05-21-2007, 06:37 PM
Grammar police aside, I think Mike Vick writed that furst post hisself...

Pretty sure the guy who wrote that first post intentionally writes on that board making fun of the Vicks. Notice his name is Marcus Vick.

infantrycak
05-21-2007, 07:03 PM
Wouldn't be surprised to find out Clinton Portis has been to Vick's old house:

"I don't know if he was fighting dogs or not, but it's his property, it's his dog," Washington Redskins running back Clinton Portis told WAVY-TV in Virginia. "If that's what he wants to do, do it. I think people should mind their business."

When told that dog fighting is a felony, Portis replied, "It can't be too bad of a crime."

"You want to hunt down Mike Vick over fighting some dogs?," Portis told the television station. "I think people should mind their own business."

Portis said that dog fighting is more common than people think.

"I know a lot of back roads that have the dog fighting if you want to go see it," he said.

Link (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2878099)

Talk about minding your own business--Clinton should have stayed out of this one.

TexansSeminole
05-21-2007, 07:06 PM
Wouldn't be surprised to find out Clinton Portis has been to Vick's old house:



Link (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2878099)

Talk about minding your own business--Clinton should have stayed out of this one.

Seriously. What an idiodic way to defend a friend.

gtexan02
05-21-2007, 07:25 PM
I can't believe Portis condones Dog Fighting.
What an idiotic thing to say. I hope the investigators find a way to link them to this if he's involved.

Just something to note though, is that the dog fighting thing seems to be blown a little out of proportion.

The "evidence" includes:
1. Prybar for prying apart dogs mouths
2. Some blood stains in a separate building

The comment that 60 dogs were malnourished and injured is not entirely true. According to Poindexter (the investigator), all the dogs except for 2 older ones were in good condition


If he is involved in dog fighting, I hope he gets busted. But I tihnk the media is jumping a little too quickly to conclusions

Specnatz
05-21-2007, 08:56 PM
I can't believe Portis condones Dog Fighting.
What an idiotic thing to say. I hope the investigators find a way to link them to this if he's involved.

Just something to note though, is that the dog fighting thing seems to be blown a little out of proportion.

The "evidence" includes:
1. Prybar for prying apart dogs mouths
2. Some blood stains in a separate building

The comment that 60 dogs were malnourished and injured is not entirely true. According to Poindexter (the investigator), all the dogs except for 2 older ones were in good condition


If he is involved in dog fighting, I hope he gets busted. But I tihnk the media is jumping a little too quickly to conclusions

The part about dogs being mistreated is coming from the humain society and they are the ones who have been complaing for a long time about the residence, not the media. Placing blame on the media is what everyone does, some of rightfully deserved. But the I was misquoted and my comments were taken out of context is all bull. This one time I will defend the media for the covering and the pressure they are putting on the DA.

Do you have a link about the comments about only two dogs? I have never seen that anywhere I have read about this story.

stingray
05-21-2007, 11:47 PM
This guy is a moron. He states that "it's no big deal that michael vick was involved in dog fighting. The dogs are his property, he can do whatevaer he wants with them." Alot of these guys amaze me. All the talent in the world, but no brains or common sense.

http://x.go.com/cgi/x.pl?goto=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2878099&name=FPT-2878099-052123&srvc=sz

Corrosion
05-22-2007, 03:23 AM
Been a while but I thought I'd share this one with y'all.

how many times can ya open your mouth and insert your foot in one interview ? :gun:

http://video.msn.com/v/us/foxsports.htm?f=33&g=8861e081-e98f-49fd-8e0f-68c4cee96425&p=&t=m1490&rf=http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/6836960?MSNHPHMA&fg=/nfl/stories/writers/Kevin+Hench



http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/6836960?MSNHPHMA




I got a kick outa this quote ......

This is a more retributive exercise with the aim of adding just a sliver of anguish and misery to the otherwise great life of multi-millionaire jackass Clinton Portis, written on behalf of my dog Sam.

Showtime100
05-22-2007, 03:57 AM
I was incredulous when I was reading that. I really can't believe it and I read the article a half hour ago. I don't feel the need to comment, really, but I guess I just did anyway.

ledzeppelin229
05-22-2007, 04:11 AM
A quarter of people polled said Portis was in the right to defend Vick.

I wish the poll had asked, "Is Clinton Portis a complete *****?"

Specnatz
05-22-2007, 05:14 AM
I will refrain from making a comment because I would say something that was not PC and describe what kind of an ***** he really is.

chicagotexan2
05-22-2007, 09:22 AM
I will refrain from making a comment because I would say something that was not PC and describe what kind of an ***** he really is.

I won't refrain. Portis is about as stupid as they come. I give him credit for being honest about believing that this really is no big deal. I know his agent or the team will make him backtrack and take back what he said, but it's out there. That's truly the way he feels and he's a complete imbicle for thinking that making animals kill each other is ok. What a fine representative of the Redskins he is.

Second Honeymoon
05-22-2007, 09:34 AM
this interview just shows the general lack of respect for law and order that a significant amount of American youth have especially in the inner cities. It is more important to not be a snitch and to 'keep it real' than be a positive member of society. For Portis to say that dog fighting isn't a big deal is just a total joke and shows his lack of intelligence.

Personally, I hope Vick spends 30 days in the hole for his involvement. These guys act like they are above the law and when they do get the finger pointed at them they act like the law is wrong. Screw that.

gtexan02
05-22-2007, 10:56 AM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2872929

NORFOLK, Va. -- A prosecutor, sheriff and investigators are scheduled to meet Monday to review evidence collected in the weeks since dogs and equipment associated with dog fighting were seized from a home owned by NFL star Michael Vick.

No charges have been filed in the case, but Surry County Commonwealth's Attorney Gerald Poindexter said Wednesday as many as six to 10 people could be involved.

Dog fighting is a felony in Virginia.

"I'm convinced from what I saw that dog fighting has occurred down there, but who was involved in it I don't know at this point," Poindexter said in a telephone interview, noting that he saw what looked like blood spatters in a room over a garage.

"We're going to find out."

The Atlanta Falcons quarterback has blamed relatives for taking advantage of his generosity and insisted he's rarely at the house -- even though he's the owner.

The people possibly involved include those who have lived or been on the premises and people who took care of the dogs and the property, Poindexter said.

Poindexter said what looked like blood spatters on the floor of a room over a garage were the "most suggestive evidence of dog fighting. There were blood splatters, and somebody would have to explain to me how you draw blood in the normal training of pit bulls."

He also said he was told there was a carpet with blood stains on it rolled up in a corner of a room downstairs, but he did not see that.

Poindexter said he and Surry County Sheriff Harold Brown called a meeting Monday with investigators from the State Police and animal control to summarize evidence and examine reports. He said he doubted the review would be finished in time to submit to a grand jury scheduled to convene Tuesday.

"I am not defending Mr. Vick at all, but I don't want to see us rush into a case prematurely," he said. "We are in the process of collecting evidence as best we can.

"It includes analyzing forensic evidence. It's not traditional. You can't go to the state sources that we usually have to do analysis of dog blood."

After the meeting, Poindexter said he and Brown will "try to decide where we're going. If it's necessary to call a special grand jury, we'll do that."

Brown did not immediately return a telephone message seeking comment. He was said to be out of the office Wednesday afternoon.

The case began in late April, when police conducting a drug investigation raided the house in rural Surry County and found dozens of dogs. They also found items associated with dog fighting, including a "pry bar" used to pry apart a dog's jaws.

Poindexter said the county seized some 60 dogs from the house. Several dogs had old scars, but by and large, the dogs appeared to be well-cared for, he said.

Vick is a registered breeder, so "the mere fact that he had a lot of dogs doesn't mean a whole lot," Poindexter said.

"If he's implicated in any way -- and I'm not saying he isn't, I would think that he is -- there are about 10 other people who, from what we know, have a much more regular contact with the property and the animals," the prosecutor said.

Vick has said he let a cousin, Davon Boddie, live at the house, and that he didn't know a large kennel on the property could be involved in a criminal activity.

Last week, the Daily Press of Newport News reported Vick has sold the house.

Copyright 2007 by The Associated Press

TexanAddict
05-22-2007, 11:00 AM
I won't refrain. Portis is about as stupid as they come. I give him credit for being honest about believing that this really is no big deal. I know his agent or the team will make him backtrack and take back what he said, but it's out there. That's truly the way he feels and he's a complete imbicle for thinking that making animals kill each other is ok. What a fine representative of the Redskins he is.

Already been done:

"Hours after making light of the possible crime in the television interview, Portis issued a statement late Monday through the Redskins.

'In the recent interview I gave concerning dog fighting, I want to make it clear I do not take part in dog fighting or condone dog fighting in any manner,' the statement said."
Link (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/football/nfl/05/22/bc.fbn.vickinvestigatio.ap/index.html)

Kinda seems to ring hollow to me. How ignorant do you have to be to make comments like that? Truly unbelieveable.

Porky
05-22-2007, 11:32 AM
There was also a treadmill and "rape stand" found on the property. If anyone thinks someone raises 60 or 70 pit bulls because they make lovely lap dogs, then all I can tell you is de nile ain't just a river in Egpyt.

As to Portis, let's just say in retrospect, I am glad that he wasn't our draft pick in 2002. :bat:

I also wonder about our own former DD and what he is doing with all those pit bulls in LA. It's time the DA there take a little visit out to his farm. I think it's time that our legislators get tough with Pit Bulls. These poor dogs are being misused and mistreated, all in the name of this sick blood sport. They also are known to turn at a moments notice and rip some kid to shreds, or even an adult. Frankly, as a dog lover I hate to say this, but it's time to outlaw any further breeding or even ownership of this dog, and let them become as close to extinct as is possible to occur over the next few decades.

Porky
05-22-2007, 11:37 AM
Already been done:

"Hours after making light of the possible crime in the television interview, Portis issued a statement late Monday through the Redskins.

'In the recent interview I gave concerning dog fighting, I want to make it clear I do not take part in dog fighting or condone dog fighting in any manner,' the statement said."
Link (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/football/nfl/05/22/bc.fbn.vickinvestigatio.ap/index.html)

Kinda seems to ring hollow to me. How ignorant do you have to be to make comments like that? Truly unbelieveable.


Oh, well in that case. whew.

NOT. Does he think Americans are dumber than he is? The Redskins and the NFL made him say that. They wrote it for him. Are we really that dumb? I for one won't forget what he said. As far as I am concerned, he is human garbage. I say pour ribs and sauce over him and Vick and put them in a 10 foot high barbed wire steel enclosure with 70 of his pit bulls, and lock the door. Check back in a couple of days to see if any bones are left. I have NO use for either of these guys, and if the league had any balls or backbone, both would be suspended for at least one full year, if not for life.

Double Barrel
05-22-2007, 12:52 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2872929

It looks like they might not have enough evidence to connect Vick directly with the dog fighting aspect of this case.

While those of us with any common sense know that he was aware of it, proving it in a court of law is probably a different set of rules.

Although...the feds have no problem in asset forfeiture seizing grandma's house because her little Johnny grandson was selling crack out of it (without her knowing), so it'll be interesting to see how they proceed with this case.

ledzeppelin229
05-22-2007, 01:05 PM
A couple of quotes that came to mind about Clinton Portis.

Albert Einstein:

Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe.


Abraham Lincoln (attributed):

'Tis better to be silent and be thought a fool, than to speak and remove all doubt.

nunusguy
05-22-2007, 01:50 PM
I dunno, but try as I might I can't find a soft spot in my heart for pit bulls.
Maybe its because I've seen too many lead stories on the 10PM News about some little kid gettin chewed up by one of them ?
If we were talking about cocker spaniels I might be up in arms to, but pit bulls ? I say the fewer the better.

TexanAddict
05-22-2007, 02:32 PM
I dunno, but try as I might I can't find a soft spot in my heart for pit bulls.
Maybe its because I've seen too many lead stories on the 10PM News about some little kid gettin chewed up by one of them ?
If we were talking about cocker spaniels I might be up in arms to, but pit bulls ? I say the fewer the better.

Ah, but the problem is that dog fighting doesn't lead to less pit bulls, the result is in fact the opposite. The people that engage in this horrible act aren't going out and finding these dogs on the street and making them fight until there are no more pit bulls left. They are breeding them, as Vick was, in order to have dogs to fight, thereby creating more pit bulls. Dog fighting actually provides a market for these dogs, which stimulates the supply. Eliminating this market would do more to reduce the pit bull population than just letting them fight to the death.

Specnatz
05-22-2007, 03:39 PM
I dunno, but try as I might I can't find a soft spot in my heart for pit bulls.
Maybe its because I've seen too many lead stories on the 10PM News about some little kid gettin chewed up by one of them ?
If we were talking about cocker spaniels I might be up in arms to, but pit bulls ? I say the fewer the better.

Yes and 20 years ago it was rotts and 20 years before that it was German sheppards and Dobbermans. It is not the breed of the dog it is the owners and when people figure it out that all dogs can be vicious.

I have owned a Pit and the only thing dangerous about him was his farts. Unless you broke into my house or acted aggressive to a child near him. I have also owned a mutt and he was extremely aggressive. Some kind of lab mix. No clue why that has been the only real aggressive dog I have ever owned.

Shaft75
05-22-2007, 03:42 PM
Intelligence always supercedes ignorance. I really enjoyed this article. Taken from foxsports.com.

My favorite part:

"When I think about pro athletes siccing dogs on one another it makes me consider rooting for catastrophic knee injuries.
But I guess I'm not that cruel. If, however, Portis missed another batch of games in '07 with his chronic shoulder problems, well, maybe it would be karma.
Anyone who flippantly condones animal cruelty deserves no better."

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/6836960

nunusguy
05-22-2007, 04:28 PM
Ah, but the problem is that dog fighting doesn't lead to less pit bulls, the result is in fact the opposite. The people that engage in this horrible act aren't going out and finding these dogs on the street and making them fight until there are no more pit bulls left. They are breeding them, as Vick was, in order to have dogs to fight, thereby creating more pit bulls. Dog fighting actually provides a market for these dogs, which stimulates the supply. Eliminating this market would do more to reduce the pit bull population than just letting them fight to the death.

You're a smooth talker TA, I'm impressed. And if what you say is accurate you've changed my mind. I say abolish dog fighting if that reduces the number of pit bulls.

Mr teX
05-22-2007, 04:48 PM
Well, i'm not a pet person, a dog, cat or whatever is just an animal to me, so i really don't see a problem with what C-po said. :hides:

Shaft75
05-22-2007, 04:52 PM
Well, i'm not a pet person, a dog, cat or whatever is just an animal to me, so i really don't see a problem with what C-po said. :hides:

Read the article. If you are a person with any morals there are several reasons, several texts, as to why you should think that animal fighting is wrong. It isn't the least bit ethical.

kbourda
05-22-2007, 05:37 PM
I wasn't going to say anything but I feel compelled to do so. BTW, I need to tell my wife she has company with an undying passion for dogs. Let me preface this by saying we have two dogs so I am not sure how this will sound. I could care less what anyone does with dogs or any pets in general. Good, bad or indifferent. I'm not about to vilify a person because they fight dogs nor praise them either. That is personal preference to me, nothing more. Do not preach to me about right and wrong. It is funny that our country makes a cuss about placing dogs (yes i said dogs) in harms way but is at peace with the decision our president is making with keeping troops in Iraq (placing our troops in harms way). This absolutely blows my mind both ways. Am I the only one that think this way? Please tell me no.

real
05-22-2007, 05:40 PM
I wasn't going to say anything but I feel compelled to do so. BTW, I need to tell my wife she has company with an undying passion for dogs. Let me preface this by saying we have two dogs so I am not sure how this will sound. I could care less what anyone does with dogs or any pets in general. Good, bad or indifferent. I'm not about to vilify a person because they fight dogs nor praise them either. That is personal preference to me, nothing more. Do not preach to me about right and wrong. It is funny that our country makes a cuss about placing dogs (yes i said dogs) in harms way but is at peace with the decision our president is making with keeping troops in Iraq (placing our troops in harms way). This absolutely blows my mind both ways. Am I the only one that think this way? Please tell me no.

I'm going to have to say I don't wholeheartedly agree with dog fighting and it's definitely not something I'd do myself....

But I do agree with your last point about the troops....I think sometimes our thinking is bass ackward....

Double Barrel
05-22-2007, 06:11 PM
Dogs don't sign up to fight in the pit. They fight or they die, and never have a choice in the matter.

Bring the troops home.

Shaft75
05-22-2007, 06:14 PM
I wasn't going to say anything but I feel compelled to do so. BTW, I need to tell my wife she has company with an undying passion for dogs.

My stance on the matter has nothing to do with a love for dogs. I believe that dogfighting is illegal and immoral. Am I wrong to presume that? I mean, there is a federal law against it.

Do not preach to me about right and wrong. It is funny that our country makes a cuss about placing dogs (yes i said dogs) in harms way but is at peace with the decision our president is making with keeping troops in Iraq (placing our troops in harms way). This absolutely blows my mind both ways. Am I the only one that think this way? Please tell me no.

The two sides shouldn't be brought up in any argument. Dog fighting and warfare are two very different things. Our country wasn't protected by dogs or founded on dogfighting. Michael Vick was very involved in an elaborate dogfighting buisness and that is against a federal law. I think that he should be punished for it. Also, Portis is condoning breaking the law. How could you not care when someone blatantly disregards the laws that all of us have to abide by?

Shaft75
05-22-2007, 06:16 PM
Dogs don't sign up to fight in the pit. They fight or they die, and never have a choice in the matter.

Bring the troops home.

I totally agree with that. Why not have a little compassion for man's best friend?

ledzeppelin229
05-22-2007, 06:24 PM
I wasn't going to say anything but I feel compelled to do so. BTW, I need to tell my wife she has company with an undying passion for dogs. Let me preface this by saying we have two dogs so I am not sure how this will sound. I could care less what anyone does with dogs or any pets in general. Good, bad or indifferent. I'm not about to vilify a person because they fight dogs nor praise them either. That is personal preference to me, nothing more. Do not preach to me about right and wrong. It is funny that our country makes a cuss about placing dogs (yes i said dogs) in harms way but is at peace with the decision our president is making with keeping troops in Iraq (placing our troops in harms way). This absolutely blows my mind both ways. Am I the only one that think this way? Please tell me no.


To add on to the other comments as well, when it comes to the war in Iraq, the people were misled to believe the risks were worth the reward -- i.e., safety and security. Thats now become not only a farce but the unforeseen/unplanned occupation is strangling the military, and you will see the change within the polls. Every week more people turn against the occupation and it shows.

As for dogfighting..maybe there isn't much "risk" to people but the reward is even less (except for those engaging in it for profit). Most people that own dogs also form pretty strong social bonds as well...its pretty much evolved that way over the last...10,000+ years? I'm guessing on the number but I think that would be considered pretty conservative actually. He isn't called man's best friend for nothing and most people wouldn't sell their best friend to the arena.

kbourda
05-22-2007, 06:32 PM
My stance on the matter has nothing to do with a love for dogs. I believe that dogfighting is illegal and immoral. Am I wrong to presume that? I mean, there is a federal law against it.



The two sides shouldn't be brought up in any argument. Dog fighting and warfare are two very different things. Our country wasn't protected by dogs or founded on dogfighting. Michael Vick was very involved in an elaborate dogfighting buisness and that is against a federal law. I think that he should be punished for it. Also, Portis is condoning breaking the law. How could you not care when someone blatantly disregards the laws that all of us have to abide by?

You are making my point for me. They are two completely different things I couldn't agree more. What does that say about us as a society where we want swift harsh justice (without a trial nor charges) for dog fighting but shrug our shoulders when the leader of our country admits mistakes were made with Iraq and still continues to "defend freedom" and place lives in danger? Sorry but you point holds no weight. Portis is not condoning breaking the law he was expressing his opinion like you and I are. So because I don't have the same views as you I condone something. Give me a break.

Mr teX
05-22-2007, 07:21 PM
Read the article. If you are a person with any morals there are several reasons, several texts, as to why you should think that animal fighting is wrong. It isn't the least bit ethical.

Well, I couldn't read the article it was gone, but i heard about what C-po said & know the circumstances around the Vick dog fighting ring situation. But i still stand by what i said b/c to me, there are so many other things to be appaulled (sp?) by that involve our fellow man..... like Kbourda is saying.

Is it wrong? hell yeah it is, i'm sure god would not want any of his creatures treated that way, but like someone brought up on 610 or 790 yesterday, horse racing in many ways is just as cruel to horses, yet it is seen in a completely different light by most people. I would venture to say that many of those people would consider themselves moral beings as well.

But then who are we kidding? this isn't a utopia of morality, it is more or less survival of the fittest, rich & poor, man & beast.

infantrycak
05-22-2007, 07:36 PM
You are making my point for me. They are two completely different things I couldn't agree more. What does that say about us as a society where we want swift harsh justice (without a trial nor charges) for dog fighting but shrug our shoulders when the leader of our country admits mistakes were made with Iraq and still continues to "defend freedom" and place lives in danger? Sorry but you point holds no weight. Portis is not condoning breaking the law he was expressing his opinion like you and I are. So because I don't have the same views as you I condone something. Give me a break.

Fine, you made your political statement about Iraq (a war I never thought we should get in to the second time) but acting as if dog fighting is no big deal is just wrong IMO. And yes, Portis was condoning breaking the law.

Double Barrel
05-22-2007, 07:47 PM
horse racing in many ways is just as cruel to horses, yet it is seen in a completely different light by most people.

Wha....?! :um:

Last time I checked, the overwhelming majority of race horses survive their events.

Most pit fights end up with a dead dog, and the other one possibly severely injured.

Race horses are pampered like world class athletes, while fighting dogs are routinely starved and abused in order to make them meaner and tougher.

Most race horses are sold to horse lovers when they are too old to race (my dad has one). Fighting dogs are killed when they can fight no more, simply because they are not animals that can be trusted around people or other animals.

I could go on, but somehow don't think it matters when you've convinced yourself that a racing event is akin to a blood sport.

Mr teX
05-22-2007, 08:07 PM
Wha....?! :um:

Last time I checked, the overwhelming majority of race horses survive their events.

Most pit fights end up with a dead dog, and the other one possibly severely injured.

Race horses are pampered like world class athletes, while fighting dogs are routinely starved and abused in order to make them meaner and tougher.

Most race horses are sold to horse lovers when they are too old to race (my dad has one). Fighting dogs are killed when they can fight no more, simply because they are not animals that can be trusted around people or other animals.

I could go on, but somehow don't think it matters when you've convinced yourself that a racing event is akin to a blood sport.


I didn't say i said it, someone on 610 or 790 said it; & in summary, what he was saying is that most of these prized horses are made to begin their training @ 18 months & are trained so hard, they can't even walk many times b/c their joints & bone structure is degenerated b/c they start so young. Jockeys & or trainers pump them full of all kinds of crap to get them stronger & faster for racing but for many of them who don't make it through all that, alot of the times they're just put down.

The guy seemed pretty knowledgeable, he was somewhere in that field, i forget what he said he did, but in any case, he likened it to dog fighting; sure it's not as brutal but the horses don't have a choice in the matter & for many the end result is death.

i myself am pretty much ignorant to the intracacies of the sport, i just brought it b/c i thought it was fairly interesting.

It was also brought up that the show :"real sports" on hbo did a peice on it recently.

hot pickle
05-22-2007, 11:47 PM
let the man do what he wants to do with his dogs... there just dogs

ledzeppelin229
05-23-2007, 12:01 AM
let the man do what he wants to do with his dogs... there just dogs

I guess its just "animal abuse". I guess dogs ripping each other apart for sport is pretty cool and something we shouldn't look down upon.

It's funny that the way people treat their animals is usually a decent indicator of how they will treat their children...personally I find dog fighting despicable and have lost any respect I might have formerly had for the people that engage in or condone it.

When I envision animal abuse I picture it happening to any of the animals I've had over the course of my lifetime, and try to judge it from there. It really provides a better perspective on it. If any of these things happened to my dogs my retaliation would have me in prison for a very long time.

hot pickle
05-23-2007, 12:29 AM
I guess its just "animal abuse". I guess dogs ripping each other apart for sport is pretty cool and something we shouldn't look down upon.

It's funny that the way people treat their animals is usually a decent indicator of how they will treat their children...personally I find dog fighting despicable and have lost any respect I might have formerly had for the people that engage in or condone it.

When I envision animal abuse I picture it happening to any of the animals I've had over the course of my lifetime, and try to judge it from there. It really provides a better perspective on it. If any of these things happened to my dogs my retaliation would have me in prison for a very long time.

HAHAHAHAHAH... comparing a dog to a human.. you cant be serious

ledzeppelin229
05-23-2007, 12:33 AM
HAHAHAHAHAH... comparing a dog to a human.. you cant be serious

People that beat their pets are much more likely to beat their kids. Is it really that difficult of a concept?

ledzeppelin229
05-23-2007, 12:39 AM
Believe it or not I don't always make things up.

http://www.vospca.org/archive/abuse.html


Ground-breaking studies by psychiatrist Alan Felthous and others, indicate that many criminals that have been violent toward people share a common history of brutal parental punishment and cruelty to animals. Yet, even today, it is not unusual to find school and judicial systems in which animal abuse is not taken seriously.

This is especially disturbing since animal abuse not only can portend the potential for violence against humans, but it also maybe an indication of a family in trouble now. Research bears this out.

Recently, Deviney, Dickert, and Lockwood studied 57 families being treated by New Jersey's Division of Youth and Family Services for incidents of child abuse. In 88 percent of these families, animals in the home had also been abused, usually by the parent.

These findings are consistent with those of James Hutton who reviewed the animal cruelty reports for one community in England. Of the 23 families with a history of animal abuse, 83 percent had been identified by human social service agencies as having children at risk of abuse or neglect.

hot pickle
05-23-2007, 12:48 AM
so now your sayin that i beat my kids? because i dont see dogs equal to humans.... but im tellin you that unlike some people i have everything up in my head....

ledzeppelin229
05-23-2007, 12:53 AM
so now your sayin that i beat my kids? because i dont see dogs equal to humans.... but im tellin you that unlike some people i have everything up in my head....

I'm not saying anything about you. I'm saying that the capacity to abuse animals (i.e. dogfighting) often correlates to an increased capacity to abuse children. It doesn't mean it happens in every case...just a trend. So when people are abusing animals or condoning the abuse, to me their level of compassion drops some.

It has more to do with the human race as a whole than any specific individual.

To add onto that...thats basically why most of society looks down on cruelty to animals. With alarming numbers like that, even if a person is indifferent about the animals abused, what it indicates about the abusers interactions with other people in the future should be enough to condemn it.

The Pencil Neck
05-23-2007, 01:31 AM
Is anyone watching Portis on NFLN? I think he came on here to do spin control but he sounds to me like he's spinning out of control.

Basically, he doesn't care if something's a felony. Even if Vick is fighting dogs and EVEN if it's illegal, he doesn't think it should be an issue because there are other more serious issues out there we as a society should be concentrating on. And if it's not OK to fight dogs, then people shouldn't be allowed to hunt. Vick is a good guy doing good things in the community and his life/career shouldn't be ruined over something silly like this.

BUT... he says he's not condoning* anything. He's not condoning dog fighting. He doesn't even have pets. Except for his fish.

* You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means. Inigo Montoya.

2BCF
05-23-2007, 01:45 AM
People that beat their pets are much more likely to beat their kids. Is it really that difficult of a concept?

Apparently for the humanely challenged it is.

Ignorance is bliss.

Porky
05-23-2007, 10:37 AM
Folks I made some comments in this space based on a very emotional reaction to some comments made by a couple of posters, especially dunta23. Those comments were racist in nature, and do not represent my true views or character. I am sure there are plenty of white rednecks engaging in this sick sport as well. I have known many of you via this message board for a number of years, and I hope that in that time, those of you who have read my posts before realize the true nature of my character. I apoligize to my black friends on and off this board. I know MANY fine black people, as well as people of all races, and I get along great with all of those of other races. I made a terrible sweeping generalization, and I feel terrible about it. If I could take it all back, I would. With sincere apoligies,

Mark aka Porky

real
05-23-2007, 10:40 AM
I'm just going to come right out and say this, and I don't give a rats ass what all you PC'ers or anyone else thinks about me. I could care two bits, so I don't care if all of you rip me to shreds, ban me for life, or anything else.

After seeing this thread, and seeing the comments made by players, it is clear to me this is a racial/cultural issue. The fact that blacks seem to be the only one condoning this despecible behavior says a lot to me about their culture, morals, and social mores. What a sick race of people. I would like to throw kbourda, and dunta23 in a ring with a few of these dogs and see what happens. You people literally make me ill. :bat: :bat: :bat:

Thanks for letting me know you're an ignorant racist. I like it when you point yourselves out. Makes it a lot easier.

Mr teX
05-23-2007, 10:45 AM
Wow!!! So i guess b/c most famous serial killers are white, i can come to a sweeping generalization about white culture, morals & mores right?

I thought you were better than that porky.

infantrycak
05-23-2007, 10:46 AM
let the man do what he wants to do with his dogs... there just dogs

There's a shocker--you defending another criminal.

real
05-23-2007, 10:47 AM
Wow!!! So i guess b/c most famous serial killers are white, i can come to a sweeping generalization about white culture, morals & mores right?

I thought you were better than that porky.

His statement was just all around ignorant...

Porky
05-23-2007, 10:48 AM
Thanks for letting me know you're an ignorant racist. I like it when you point yourselves out. Makes it a lot easier.

I'm neither my friend. Simply pointing out the obvious. Not saying all blacks condone this evilness, but all the people who seem ok with it happen to coincedently all be of one race. That's not racist, that's is pointing out the obvious. As I said, I don't give a rats ass what you think of me. Apparently, they have one sick culture. And, it's also nice to point themselves out, so I know who and who not to associate with.

infantrycak
05-23-2007, 10:49 AM
I'm just going to come right out and say this, and I don't give a rats ass what all you PC'ers or anyone else thinks about me. I could care two bits, so I don't care if all of you rip me to shreds, ban me for life, or anything else.

After seeing this thread, and seeing the comments made by players, it is clear to me this is a racial/cultural issue. The fact that blacks seem to be the only one condoning this despecible behavior says a lot to me about their culture, morals, and social mores. What a sick race of people. I would like to throw kbourda, and dunta23 in a ring with a few of these dogs and see what happens. You people literally make me ill. :bat: :bat: :bat:

Nice job of making what might have been a legitimate cultural observation into a sweeping racist generalization. Amazing overstatement.

HOU-TEX
05-23-2007, 10:49 AM
I think this thread should be locked. It's obviously going to get way out of control if it hasn't already. Anytime race, religion or politics are brought up in a conversation, nothing good ever comes out of it.:)

real
05-23-2007, 10:51 AM
a legitimate cultural observation

BINGO!

Porky
05-23-2007, 10:51 AM
Nice job of making what might have been a legitimate cultural observation into a sweeping racist generalization. Amazing overstatement.

You know what, you are right. My bad. That was a sweeping generalization, and in hindsight, I was wrong to say that. I apoligize to those offended by that remark, which is wrong on its face. :devilpig:

Specnatz
05-23-2007, 11:14 AM
I will not condone porky's comments, because it should have been said differently. One of my friends who is hispanic and owns a pitbull, sorta said something to the lines of ............................

why is it the media always finds one race to depict things in a certain way. He went on to say that he is 100% sure there are whites and hispanics who like dog fighting but why is it the media is only showing blacks. My friend always thinks the media has some sort of conspiracy. The sad part is that I might be incline to agree with him after reading some of these comments.

The only reason I mentioned race was because it was brought up.

Porky
05-23-2007, 11:36 AM
I will not condone porky's comments, because it should have been said differently. One of my friends who is hispanic and owns a pitbull, sorta said something to the lines of ............................

why is it the media always finds one race to depict things in a certain way. He went on to say that he is 100% sure there are whites and hispanics who like dog fighting but why is it the media is only showing blacks. My friend always thinks the media has some sort of conspiracy. The sad part is that I might be incline to agree with him after reading some of these comments.

The only reason I mentioned race was because it was brought up.

Sure, I will agree with that. In fact, I know for sure of some stupid white rednecks who fight cocks and dogs in east Texas. They couldn't get to 10 in the IQ dept if the whole lot of them stood arm to arm. Morons come in more than one color, and I know that. I wish I could take back what I said guys and gals.

Can I get into Mr. Peabody's way back time machine? :user:

Shaft75
05-23-2007, 12:10 PM
Look the only reason that people think that black guys are the ones that condone dogfights is because everyone whom has sounded off about how dogfighting was ok, are black guys. I know there are probably white/mexican/asian/indian guys that fight dogs, but the people who are saying to turn a blind eye to the situation have all been black. I think that was what Porky meant, although he did go way overboard. Does that mean that all black people condone it? Not at all.

Texan_Bill
05-23-2007, 12:24 PM
I am not here to defend Porky, as he and I have gotten into it before....BUT, I have never read anything that has led me to beleive that he is an ignorant racist... He has apologized (for letting his sweeping generalizations overflow his thoughts) - a few times... Let it go and lets get back to the topic..

Listen, If we were talking about Tom Brady raising the dogs for fighting, I would have equally the same strong feelings against this practice... Someone asked what the big deal is and that they are just dogs... Well my answer is: a) we have cognitive skills b) that we have the abilitity to know right from wrong c) we are supposed to have compassion - etc. (Insert whatever reason here)....

Lastly... IT IS ILLEGAL....

swtbound07
05-23-2007, 12:26 PM
From time to time, we all get heated and say things which don't really reflect the way we think and feel. Porky isn't a rocket scientist, but he isn't a racist. He cooled off, apologized, and I don't think we should drill him for it. Porky's a good guy, just lives on the wrong side of the political spectrum.

Porky
05-23-2007, 12:39 PM
From time to time, we all get heated and say things which don't really reflect the way we think and feel. Porky isn't a rocket scientist, but he isn't a racist. He cooled off, apologized, and I don't think we should drill him for it. Porky's a good guy, just lives on the wrong side of the political spectrum.


Thanks to you and texan bill. Ya, I'm not a racist, just an evil conservative! :whip:

Thanks to all of you for forgiving one ignorant sob today. I guess I just woke up on the wrong side of the bed. Funny thing is I am usually a pretty calm even keeled kind of guy. But, I am a dog lover. Had them all my life, and for whatever reason, I just sort of lost it for a brief time.

Anyway, back to the topic at hand - bashing Mike Vick. Carry on. :user:

SheTexan
05-23-2007, 04:43 PM
You posted your opinion Porky!! You have nothing to apologize about, IMHO!! People post contraversal stuff on this MB all the time, rarely does anyone apologize if they offend someone. I don't believe you violated the teams of agreement at all, therefore, you can post what you please and you owe NO ONE an apology!!

Porky
05-23-2007, 05:10 PM
You posted your opinion Porky!! You have nothing to apologize about, IMHO!! People post contraversal stuff on this MB all the time, rarely does anyone apologize if they offend someone. I don't believe you violated the teams of agreement at all, therefore, you can post what you please and you owe NO ONE an apology!!


Thanks Sandy. Your support means a lot to me.

However, what I originally posted didn't totally or accurately reflect my true feelings. Instead, I let my emotions dictate what I said, instead of my logic. When emotions rule you instead of logic is when you can sometimes say hurtful or mean spirited things, and while I vehemently disagree with kbourda and dunta23 in particular, I have to respect their right to have an opinion, no matter how misguided or cruel I might find it. :devilpig:

swtbound07
05-23-2007, 06:40 PM
You posted your opinion Porky!! You have nothing to apologize about, IMHO!! People post contraversal stuff on this MB all the time, rarely does anyone apologize if they offend someone. I don't believe you violated the teams of agreement at all, therefore, you can post what you please and you owe NO ONE an apology!!

difference being most people who offend someone (like myself) started with that intent...rarely does porky start out with that intent. he was apologizing for the delivery, not the message.

awtysst
05-23-2007, 06:47 PM
Folks I made some comments in this space based on a very emotional reaction to some comments made by a couple of posters, especially dunta23. Those comments were racist in nature, and do not represent my true views or character. I am sure there are plenty of white rednecks engaging in this sick sport as well. I have known many of you via this message board for a number of years, and I hope that in that time, those of you who have read my posts before realize the true nature of my character. I apoligize to my black friends on and off this board. I know MANY fine black people, as well as people of all races, and I get along great with all of those of other races. I made a terrible sweeping generalization, and I feel terrible about it. If I could take it all back, I would. With sincere apoligies,

Mark aka Porky

It takes a real man to apologize when he makes a mistake and man up. Rep your Way.

Trap_Star
05-23-2007, 08:14 PM
wow...i just read the last 2 pages of this thread. i learned a couple of new things today....

real
05-23-2007, 09:27 PM
I'm just going to come right out and say this, and I don't give a rats ass what all you PC'ers or anyone else thinks about me. I could care two bits, so I don't care if all of you rip me to shreds, ban me for life, or anything else.

After seeing this thread, and seeing the comments made by players, it is clear to me this is a racial/cultural issue. The fact that blacks seem to be the only one condoning this despecible behavior says a lot to me about their culture, morals, and social mores. What a sick race of people. I would like to throw kbourda, and dunta23 in a ring with a few of these dogs and see what happens. You people literally make me ill. :bat: :bat: :bat:




I am not here to defend Porky, as he and I have gotten into it before....BUT, I have never read anything that has led me to beleive that he is an ignorant racist... He has apologized (for letting his sweeping generalizations overflow his thoughts) - a few times... Let it go and lets get back to the topic..
Lastly... IT IS ILLEGAL....

See the post above....I'm not sure how someone reading that doesn't mistake him as an ignorant racist.

From time to time, we all get heated and say things which don't really reflect the way we think and feel. Porky isn't a rocket scientist, but he isn't a racist. He cooled off, apologized, and I don't think we should drill him for it. Porky's a good guy, just lives on the wrong side of the political spectrum.

I disagree....

You posted your opinion Porky!! You have nothing to apologize about, IMHO!! People post contraversal stuff on this MB all the time, rarely does anyone apologize if they offend someone. I don't believe you violated the teams of agreement at all, therefore, you can post what you please and you owe NO ONE an apology!!

I've been posting on these boards since '05 and never have I seen anything that nasty.

difference being most people who offend someone (like myself) started with that intent...rarely does porky start out with that intent. he was apologizing for the delivery, not the message.


I'm hoping the opposite true.




I really, really, really hate to re-hash this, because Porky and I spoke about it, and frankly it's all good.... I honestly don't think the man is a racist. I think he's guilty of stereotyping, but a racist person wouldn't have apologized.

The reason I'm responding to these comments is because of the comments that I've just read. No one can change another person's views on certain situations, but the comments in his defense are sickening. Never have I been as offended as I was when I read those comments. Never. I bolded the parts above that are down right outrageous. As a black person it kinda sucks that so many of you felt like an apology wasn't neccessary and that somehow calling a race of people "disgusting" desereves some kind of cyber pat on the back.

As I said, you can't make another person change their views, but just like the rest of you; dammit I'll be heard. In no way is this an attack on the Porkster, because like I said we're cool...It's moreso an attack on the idea that racist comments are easily forgiven by the race that was commented on. That's all I have to say about it.