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Texans_Chick
04-24-2007, 04:56 PM
Here's an AP article worth reading (http://cbs.sportsline.com/nfl/story/10144979/1). In part...


The Texans thought they'd found their left tackle of the future in the third round of last year's draft when they chose the gargantuan Charles Spencer. He looked promising early before breaking his leg in Week 2. Coach Gary Kubiak said Spencer's injury was one of the biggest disappointments of last year's 6-10 season and there's only about a 50 percent chance the 6-foot-4, 350-pound player will be healthy enough to play this season.

Houston signed former Kansas City tackle Jordan Black to help fill that hole if Spencer can't play and the team isn't able to add someone in the draft.

"We've had some signings that have taken pressure off of our football team on draft day," Kubiak said. "I know everybody here is concerned about a left tackle; we're obviously concerned about Spencer."

Still Kubiak insists the team will take the best player available regardless of position with its top pick.

"You don't want to reach on draft day," he said. "As a football team you don't ever want to feel like you're in a position where you reach on a player because of a position and you're wrong."

I thought it was 50/50 that Spencer would be able to start the season, not 50/50 that he could play at all.

infantrycak
04-24-2007, 05:03 PM
Have to be careful with this kind of reporting. Kubiak made the 50/50 comment a couple months ago but it keeps getting reported as new and restated rather than quoted.

Texans_Chick
04-24-2007, 05:33 PM
Have to be careful with this kind of reporting. Kubiak made the 50/50 comment a couple months ago but it keeps getting reported as new and restated rather than quoted.

Yuppers. McClain said on the radio that the number was better than 50/50 lately. Lance Z mentioned that the stuff he had heard is that even if he does play, it will take a year to determine if he has an arthritic condition in the knee.

Ultimately, I don't think really anything has changed with the story as they have said since the end of last season:

1. They've said they aren't going to count on any injured players as being alright. If they are, it will be gravy.

2. They are going to take the BPA and not reach for need.

3. They were going to use the offseason to make it less necessary to reach for need and to create depth.

4. Spencer's injury is a serious one and an unusual one for a football player. (Makes it particularly hard to project recovery time). It is going to take time to see how he will be able to play.

nunusguy
04-24-2007, 05:55 PM
I'm a realist who likes to keep a lid on his expectations. Therefor my hope and also most optimistic expectation is that Spencer has finished rehab and is fit and ready to seriously compete for a starting position on the OLine in Summer training camp. And that's the training camp of 2008, not this year.

Specnatz
04-24-2007, 05:56 PM
Yuppers. McClain said on the radio that the number was better than 50/50 lately. Lance Z mentioned that the stuff he had heard is that even if he does play, it will take a year to determine if he has an arthritic condition in the knee.

Ultimately, I don't think really anything has changed with the story as they have said since the end of last season:

1. They've said they aren't going to count on any injured players as being alright. If they are, it will be gravy.

2. They are going to take the BPA and not reach for need.

3. They were going to use the offseason to make it less necessary to reach for need and to create depth.

4. Spencer's injury is a serious one and an unusual one for a football player. (Makes it particularly hard to project recovery time). It is going to take time to see how he will be able to play.

I do think they have done just that. They have added depth, not a stud or star player, just depth. The one thing that has always got me about articles is that they use a quote from a person but you hardly ever see the question that was possed to get the quote, why is that??

Marcus
04-24-2007, 06:27 PM
The smart move is to act as if Spencer will be on IR this upcoming season.

Runner
04-24-2007, 06:29 PM
I thought it was 50/50 that Spencer would be able to start the season, not 50/50 that he could play at all.

I think they are gradually breaking the news to the fan base.

feebleminded
04-24-2007, 06:44 PM
I think they are gradually breaking the news to the fan base.

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Runner
04-24-2007, 06:46 PM
I know. Sorry.

ATXtexanfan
04-24-2007, 07:30 PM
even if spencer isn't ready i hope we dont draft levi.

Texans Horror
04-24-2007, 08:07 PM
No worries. We got I-65 to replace him...and Salaam - he did REALLY well last year (my eyes still don't agree, but the fanbase assures me he is a terrific player)...

Hagar
04-24-2007, 10:59 PM
Still Kubiak insists the team will take the best player available regardless of position with its top pick.I think its easy for Kubes to say that we will take the best player available this year because we have a lot of needs. In a few years, hopefully, he won’t be able to say that any more. Also, there seems to be a lot of players who could easily be considered No. 10 talent. I think Kubes and Smith have a very big decision in front of them.

Da_General
04-25-2007, 12:25 AM
2. They are going to take the BPA and not reach for need.


I agree, but only to a point. What if the BPA is a MLB or QB? Do we draft a position that's not an upgrade over what we already have?

BPAOIWNTUTP

(Best Player Available Only If We Need To Upgrade That Position)

CrunkTex
04-25-2007, 03:30 AM
No matter who the Texans draft, I think we should make him apologize to the fans for future underperformance at his introduction press conference. That way we'll be elated when he's only a modest bust and not a Travis Johnson-esque bust.

False Start
04-25-2007, 02:19 PM
Taking the BPA seems to be the smart thing to do IMO . With as many needs the team has they need an upgrade at every position . There isn't one position on this team that I can honestly say that they are "set" at . Unless there is a trade down scenario that gives a 15-20 pick , a second rounder this year , and maybe a conditional second rounder next year , that would be cool .

Shaft75
04-25-2007, 04:46 PM
No matter who the Texans draft, I think we should make him apologize to the fans for future underperformance at his introduction press conference. That way we'll be elated when he's only a modest bust and not a Travis Johnson-esque bust.

That's a dumb thing to say. I don't think there will be many players that will be busts in the top 10 of this draft. I hope we don't draft Brown or Branch though. I all reality though, we never should have moved back to draft TJ. That was a bust in itself. I think we should have pursued Brown or Baron at tackle.

76Texan
04-25-2007, 04:50 PM
That's a dumb thing to say. I don't think there will be many players that will be busts in the top 10 of this draft. I hope we don't draft Brown or Branch though. I all reality though, we never should have moved back to draft TJ. That was a bust in itself. I think we should have pursued Brown or Baron at tackle.
It was just sarcasm, shaft! :shades:

Shaft75
04-25-2007, 04:52 PM
It was just sarcasm, shaft! :shades:

I know 76, but it wasn't the least bit funny... :bat:

Texans_Chick
04-25-2007, 06:32 PM
I agree, but only to a point. What if the BPA is a MLB or QB? Do we draft a position that's not an upgrade over what we already have?

BPAOIWNTUTP

(Best Player Available Only If We Need To Upgrade That Position)

You know what.......

I might not want QB, but if Patrick Willis was the BPA at #10 and there is no great trade offer, I would be absolutely fine with them picking him with that pick.

Da_General
04-25-2007, 11:09 PM
You know what.......

I might not want QB, but if Patrick Willis was the BPA at #10 and there is no great trade offer, I would be absolutely fine with them picking him with that pick.

Good example. But that leads us off on the tangent of who gets to move outside...him or DeMeco...pretty good problem to have if it comes to that. I just chose that position because it's obvious after last year that we've got a pretty darn good MLB right now and there are other positions of more importance. Just about all of them, actually.

Honest truth, and I've not said anything up to this point...I'd most like to see us take a lineman...EITHER line...whichever is the BPA. All of the best teams throughout history have had either strong Olines or Dlines or both. Sorry to run out yet another cliche', but the game is usually won or lost in the trenches.

Double Barrel
04-26-2007, 12:16 AM
Good example. But that leads us off on the tangent of who gets to move outside...him or DeMeco...pretty good problem to have if it comes to that. I just chose that position because it's obvious after last year that we've got a pretty darn good MLB right now and there are other positions of more importance. Just about all of them, actually.

Honest truth, and I've not said anything up to this point...I'd most like to see us take a lineman...EITHER line...whichever is the BPA. All of the best teams throughout history have had either strong Olines or Dlines or both. Sorry to run out yet another cliche', but the game is usually won or lost in the trenches.

I agree 100%. The so-called 'ugly pick' is not so ugly to me. Championship teams are built on the foundations of solid offensive & defensive lines. For some reason, this team has never quite learned that lesson. (Hopefully that class is over soon.)

badboy
04-26-2007, 11:20 AM
If I knew Spencer could return sometime this season, I'd be ok with Salaam/Jordan Black. I am rather frustrated that Staley is rising like a rocket as I was hoping to pick him in 2nd round after a trade down from #10. I like this LT but obviously others do too.

Porky
04-26-2007, 12:39 PM
I agree 100%. The so-called 'ugly pick' is not so ugly to me. Championship teams are built on the foundations of solid offensive & defensive lines. For some reason, this team has never quite learned that lesson. (Hopefully that class is over soon.)

We've picked a defensive lineman with our #1 picks in the past 3 drafts.

Double Barrel
04-26-2007, 03:39 PM
We've picked a defensive lineman with our #1 picks in the past 3 drafts.

Well maybe one day we'll get it right! :shades:

My lesson comment was more directed at building the o-line. I should've been more specific.

Kinda' crazy that we've spent three first round picks on d-line, but it's still a major work in progress. I don't have a lot of confidence in TJ and Babin, either.

Runner
04-26-2007, 06:10 PM
Kinda' crazy that we've spent three first round picks on d-line, but it's still a major work in progress. I don't have a lot of confidence in TJ and Babin, either.

Once a team gets some decent talent, say at d-line, then three more things are needed:

1) Coaching
2) Willingness to work hard
3) Coaching

In the poast we've lacked on items 1 and 3. We may finally see some change in that.

76Texan
04-26-2007, 06:15 PM
I don't have a lot of confidence in TJ and Babin, either.

I hope that they can make you feel better next year.
I don't have any problem with Babin though, he had always been a solid contributor. Maybe not worth the position he was drafted at, especially now that we're playing the 4-3, but with Peek gone, we may see him get a little more playing time.

Rite, and the Texans gonna draft a guy like Jamaal Anderson! :)
Even if that's the case, they can always move Weaver inside more often, can't they?

Double Barrel
04-26-2007, 06:40 PM
I hope that they can make you feel better next year.

Me, too.

I'm hesitant to call TJ a bust, but if he brings a fat butt to camp again, I'd have to say that his dedication to playing football has to be in question.

I don't have any problem with Babin though, he had always been a solid contributor. Maybe not worth the position he was drafted at, especially now that we're playing the 4-3, but with Peek gone, we may see him get a little more playing time.

I don't dislike Babin, I just think he wasn't worth a first round pick. And now that we've got a 4-3 D, I'm not sure where a tweener like him will fit in.

76Texan
04-26-2007, 06:49 PM
Me, too.

I'm hesitant to call TJ a bust, but if he brings a fat butt to camp again, I'd have to say that his dedication to playing football has to be in question.



I don't dislike Babin, I just think he wasn't worth a first round pick. And now that we've got a 4-3 D, I'm not sure where a tweener like him will fit in.
Is that right that we have TJ signed thru 2011? *shudder*
He'd better be earning the signing bonus soon.

If Babin can improve his production on the same scale with his "hopefully" increasing time (however little much it might be) as an edge rusher, it would be great. I like the guy, but I thought we can trade him.
Maybe Capers wants him, LOL!

badboy
04-27-2007, 09:57 AM
I think we will see some veterans leave roster this year. Possibilities: Hodgdon, Gado, Steve McKinney, Flannagan, Wong, Travis Johnson and Jerome Mathis (better come on strong as WR because I think the team will have other options on returns this season).

hadaad
04-27-2007, 10:52 AM
Yuppers. McClain said on the radio that the number was better than 50/50 lately. Lance Z mentioned that the stuff he had heard is that even if he does play, it will take a year to determine if he has an arthritic condition in the knee.

Ultimately, I don't think really anything has changed with the story as they have said since the end of last season:

1. They've said they aren't going to count on any injured players as being alright. If they are, it will be gravy.

2. They are going to take the BPA and not reach for need.

3. They were going to use the offseason to make it less necessary to reach for need and to create depth.

4. Spencer's injury is a serious one and an unusual one for a football player. (Makes it particularly hard to project recovery time). It is going to take time to see how he will be able to play.

As to #1, they said that they are counting on Anthony Weaver being ready to go. But you probably posted this before the Smith conference, so you probably know that.

cuppacoffee
04-27-2007, 10:58 AM
I think we will see some veterans leave roster this year. Possibilities: Hodgdon, Gado, Steve McKinney, Flannagan, Wong, Travis Johnson and Jerome Mathis (better come on strong as WR because I think the team will have other options on returns this season).


We better draft or sign a center...:shades:

:coffee: