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nunusguy
03-30-2007, 01:39 PM
Back then, no one could have predicted the level of anti-Carr sentiment that "started really percolating" after the 2004 loss to the Cleveland Browns.

When fans poured beer on Carr's family in their Reliant Stadium suite, things hit an all-time low. Their love affair was over.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/headline/entertainment/4673356.html

Mr. White
03-30-2007, 01:41 PM
I heard the media relations guy on 610 this morning. He was pissed about this story.

Texan_Bill
03-30-2007, 01:44 PM
I heard the media relations guy on 610 this morning. He was pissed about this story.

I'm a regular listener, but I missed that this morning... Can you elaborate a little bit...

Thanks!

nunusguy
03-30-2007, 01:48 PM
As Texans fans' confidence evaporated, the calls Lord took on air grew angrier.

"When it did get too personal it was my job to steer it back to objective football talk," Lord said. "I had very little tolerance for people who got personal. It reveals an ugly side of fandom."
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I can't beleive Rich Lord's comment here ? As I recall, he stoked the fire/controversy by constantly promoting hometown hero Vince Young.
I mean I to wish now we would have taken young, but to see Lord say here that he tried to be a quieting innfluence. That's a laugh. If anything, its the opposite.

bad
03-30-2007, 01:55 PM
What strikes me the most about this article is that it's in the Entertainment section, on the same page with links to a story on Paris Hilton's legal problems and a reality TV show contestant.

Reminds me of a joke a comedian once said; "I remember when 'Sebastian Bach of Skid Row' was a job title. Now it's an address."

Mr. White
03-30-2007, 01:56 PM
I'm a regular listener, but I missed that this morning... Can you elaborate a little bit...

Thanks!

Just basically talked about how the article says that David turned his back on the media.

The media relations guy kept on about how many interviews that Carr gave. The 610 guys agreed with him. They said the writer is really an entertainment writer.

jerek
03-30-2007, 02:00 PM
While I agree that Carr could've handled his media relations a little better, quoting the 610 guys for credibility is just stupid. Who is Andrew Guy any way?

Then again, there really wasn't much of anything Carr could've done better from a PR standpoint, other than:

(1) Win more games.
(2) Become Vince Young.

HoustonFrog
03-30-2007, 02:01 PM
Just basically talked about how the article says that David turned his back on the media.

The media relations guy kept on about how many interviews that Carr gave. The 610 guys agreed with him. They said the writer is really an entertainment writer.


I heard this same thing. The guy was peeved. He said that he understood not wanting Carr around but all in all when it came to media relations he always fulfilled his duties and always answered questions. As you said, he said this guy didn't interview anyone who was a beat writer at the time or who was close to the situation. It wasn't the 610 guys doing this. It was the P.R. guy calling in to let steam off.

If you read the article though, there isn't much to the media stuff. It is more opinions on when the tide turned. Seems like a puff piece gone bad.

rollinstone18
03-30-2007, 02:13 PM
Wow I didn't know some Texans fans were as trashy as Eagles fans. Pouring beer on the guy's family, what a disgrace. here's hoping those people drop dead tonight.

bad
03-30-2007, 02:24 PM
Wow I didn't know some Texans fans were as trashy as Eagles fans. Pouring beer on the guy's family, what a disgrace. here's hoping those people drop dead tonight.
That's a bit harsh.

When I first heard about that I felt anger towards them, felt ashamed for them, felt badly for Carr's family and all the decent fans in Houston who innocently got a black eye for their actions...but it's bad mojo to wish death upon someone for misdemeanor assault.

Generally the universe finds a way to even everything out. Karma will take care of it.

SESupergenius
04-10-2007, 08:50 AM
It all started downhill for Carr when Vince Young won the National Championship and a couple of guys wanted Young to be a Texan. They cried when they didn't get their way.

Double Barrel
04-10-2007, 10:44 AM
It all started downhill for Carr when he was selected first overall by an expansion team that wasn't ready to develop him. It was a bad fit from the beginning, IMO.

SESupergenius
04-11-2007, 12:46 PM
It wasn't a bad pick, it was bad coaching to not let him sit for a year and take it all in. We should have started an old veteran at the beginning. I hope that this same process will benefit Schaub.

Vinny
04-11-2007, 01:59 PM
Eh, I don't buy that coaching ruined Carr....he was just overrrated. Sure he had a few nice moments, but so did Joey Harrington.

Errant Hothy
04-11-2007, 03:33 PM
I don't know, AJ's comments the last couple of days have been pretty damning of the coaching staff. Then again maybe Carr's inability to make the right read forced teh caoching staff into the paterns Johnson has talked about. It would be nice to hear the whole story of those first 3 years.

Double Barrel
04-11-2007, 03:40 PM
"Two kinds of ballplayers aren't worth a darn: One that never does what he's told, and one who does nothin' except what he's told."~ Bum Phillips

Carr is the second kind of player. He does exactly what he's told, who to throw to, and does not deviate. Bum says he ain't worth a darn. :shades:

Those same coaches have not taken that tactic with every QB they have coached. Why was Carr different in that regard?

And he had over 3500 yards in 2004, so I'm not buying that it's all the coaches and/or offensive line's fault. That sounds like convenient scapegoating to me by his supporters. He's got to be accountable in some regard for being the QB he is today.

Runner
04-11-2007, 06:39 PM
I will never discount the negative effect the poor coaching, cursory player development, and petty politics had on this team.

Double Barrel
04-11-2007, 07:16 PM
I will never discount the negative effect the poor coaching, cursory player development, and petty politics had on this team.

I would never argue against that perspective. Matter-of-fact, I think Kubiak & Smith should be given a couple of years leeway just to clean up the mess from the previous regime (as in we're eating over $20 million in dead cap space this year from Casserly's deals).

But I just can't blame all of Carr's shortcomings on everyone else, especially after reading his college scouting report and comparing it to who he is today. I really have to wonder if coaching could change some of his ingrained tendencies and shortcomings.

Runner
04-11-2007, 08:36 PM
But I just can't blame all of Carr's shortcomings on everyone else,

Neither do I, Carr bears a lot of responsibilty.

With all the focus on Carr people tend to forget that a lot of the young Texan players never achieved their promise, or they blame that failure on the individuals being busts. I believe it was the coaching and finding scapegoats to cover for Carr. Most of them didn't get $35M to cover the career damages either.

It wasn't all scouting; it was mostly player development.

infantrycak
04-11-2007, 08:55 PM
With everything that has come out over the years, I have become of the mind that one of Carr's failings was in being "too nice a guy" or "too much a team player"--at some point when your career is being effected it is time to start saying something to the coaches, rebelling against the coaches (how about an argument when Pendry wanted to take back control in either game Carr "called" the plays in the 1st half) or saying non-cruddy things to the press which reflect reality. There is more than just being a clown to get your point across and exert some influence. Hey, how about this--call the play with AJ as the 1st read and then just look 1st to Gaffney or the TE? Seriously, if you have the kind of character that could take the mismanagement of the 1st 4 years and not rebel, I am not sure the fire or independent thought is sufficient.

Runner
04-11-2007, 09:14 PM
call the play with AJ as the 1st read and then just look 1st to Gaffney or the TE? Seriously, if you have the kind of character that could take the mismanagement of the 1st 4 years and not rebel, I am not sure the fire or independent thought is sufficient.

I'm sure some of his teammates wondered the same thing. It's not like they would have fired him for changing the plays. He was still the golden boy midway through his third year when Pendry started influencing the offense and things started declining.

infantrycak
04-11-2007, 09:30 PM
It's not like they would have fired him for changing the plays.

Exactly--if all the other issues weren't going to get him fired, a little passion sure wasn't.

Counter example--Roger Staubach--with Landry pulling his worst coaching decision ever of splitting time between two QB's, Staubach did two things--changed a play and made a game winning play and told Landry (after Bob Lilly was deputized to tell Landry he needed to make a decision) to either start him or trade him. Staubach changed and made the play, Landry made the decision and Staubach became a hall of famer.