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Sco-tai
03-29-2007, 11:05 AM
I'm debating this topic with a friend of mine and want y'all's opinion.

If you're a defensive coordinator and you can pick any scheme you want...which player would you prefer to have on your team? Mario Williams or Demarcus Ware?


:drool:

real
03-29-2007, 11:14 AM
Not sure how this can even be a real discussion unless your going off of Mario's "potential"....

kastofsna
03-29-2007, 11:20 AM
give me the bigger, freakier player. williams.

nunusguy
03-29-2007, 11:47 AM
Many people consider Marios "natural position" as a DE in the 3-4, while
one HC thought so much of his potential as a 4-3 lineman that he used the
#1 overall in a great Draft, and that illustrates Marios versatility.
DM on the other hand, a tremendous talent as a 3-4 LB, would not be near as valuable in a 4-3 by most evaluations.
Its tough to compare apples and oranges.

YoungTexanFan
03-29-2007, 11:49 AM
Ware would not be the player he is as a 4-3 LB. Mario has the size and strengh to still be a great 3-4 DE. Mario can play both, and without classifying which defense the HC would run, everyone should take Mario for that reason.

real
03-29-2007, 11:52 AM
Ware would not be the player he is as a 4-3 LB. Mario has the size and strengh to still be a great 3-4 DE. Mario can play both, and without classifying which defense the HC would run, everyone should take Mario for that reason.

The starter of this thread specifically said "pick an scheme you want"...

But that really is besides the point....

Even if he were to play in a four three why would he have to play LB ?

I'd put him at my weakside DE...

That's like saying you'd take Mario over Merriman, because he wouldn't be as effective in a 4-3...

Mario hasn't shown me enough to say that I'd take him over a player I have seen make great plays on this level...

Sco-tai
03-29-2007, 12:31 PM
Well...I look at it this way. Demarcus Ware obviously has the better numbers (and had a "flashier" rookie season). And we can debate all day as to reasons (i.e. - excuses) why Mario didn't have a "BLOW-UP" rookie year (double-teams, different scheme, position, etc)...so I kind of take all the numbers (whether it's their combine/pro-day numbers, college numbers, rookie season numbers, etc)...and mix them all together and say "From what we've seen, heard, read...which player do you feel is the best available. I'd have to go with Mario.

Everytime...Mario.

Let's not get hung up on numbers. If that's the case...we'd take RYANS over both DW & MW. hahahah

:joker:

real
03-29-2007, 12:35 PM
Well...I look at it this way. Demarcus Ware obviously has the better numbers (and had a "flashier" rookie season). And we can debate all day as to reasons (i.e. - excuses) why Mario didn't have a "BLOW-UP" rookie year (double-teams, different scheme, position, etc)...so I kind of take all the numbers (whether it's their combine/pro-day numbers, college numbers, rookie season numbers, etc)...and mix them all together and say "From what we've seen, heard, read...which player do you feel is the best available. I'd have to go with Mario.




With that logic you'd end up taking Santonio Holmes over Marques Colston....

But to each his own...

HoustonFrog
03-29-2007, 01:15 PM
Not sure how this can even be a real discussion unless your going off of Mario's "potential"....

This is the only one I read and I agree. There is no comparison right now. Ware is the man and in 2 seasons has started to reek havoc. He started raw too. To say Mario would be better is to go off pure speculation and potential. This year is a big one for Mario.

JamesC
03-29-2007, 01:48 PM
This is the only one I read and I agree. There is no comparison right now. Ware is the man and in 2 seasons has started to reek havoc. He started raw too. To say Mario would be to go off pure specualation and potential. This year is a big one for Mario.

Those are my thoughts exactly. Thats why as of right now I voted for Ware.

jlam
03-29-2007, 02:04 PM
This is the only one I read and I agree. There is no comparison right now. Ware is the man and in 2 seasons has started to reek havoc. He started raw too. To say Mario would be to go off pure specualation and potential. This year is a big one for Mario.

I'm really looking forward to this coming season for these types of reasons. We tend to find out a lot about young players in the league in their second seasons. A whole new class of rookies will be coming in that will shift (at least) some of the attention away from the new guys from last year and perhaps we'll be able to look at these guys' performances without some of the media expectations and agendas.

Last years' class had a lot of great players in it and I'm acually looking forward to seeing how they do in their sophomore efforts a bit moreso than seeing this years' rookies.

The above comment that this year is a big one for Williams is very true, as it is for many other players.

On a side note, I am officially in football withdrawal.

HoustonFrog
03-29-2007, 02:15 PM
I'm really looking forward to this coming season for these types of reasons. We tend to find out a lot about young players in the league in their second seasons. A whole new class of rookies will be coming in that will shift (at least) some of the attention away from the new guys from last year and perhaps we'll be able to look at these guys' performances without some of the media expectations and agendas.

Last years' class had a lot of great players in it and I'm acually looking forward to seeing how they do in their sophomore efforts a bit moreso than seeing this years' rookies.

The above comment that this year is a big one for Williams is very true, as it is for many other players.

On a side note, I am officially in football withdrawal.

I'm ready for the draft. I love draft weekend.

I also am looking forward to see how these guys progress. I want to see a jump from Mario.

Sco-tai
03-29-2007, 03:13 PM
With that logic you'd end up taking Santonio Holmes over Marques Colston....

Haha....wow. Comparing the 11th OVERALL pick to the 1st OVERALL pick is one thing.

But to try and compare logic using the 25th overall pick and the 252nd pick that was drafted as a TE is a little different. That's like seeing Mike Tyson researching Quantum physics in a Libary. No one would see THAT coming.

Careful....you might pull a muscle trying to REACH that much.

:superman:

GuerillaBlack
03-29-2007, 08:10 PM
So far, Ware has been the better player on the field. We have to see Mario in his second season to be fair...most players make thier biggest improvement after their second camp.

Can't wait to see DeMeco! Mario will be a bigger beast this year, too. Hopefully he doesn't drop anything on his foot again.

thunderkyss
03-29-2007, 08:55 PM
Can't wait to see DeMeco! Mario will be a bigger beast this year, too. Hopefully he doesn't drop anything on his foot again.

That's a good point.

Who would you rather have, Demeco or Ware??

it's about the same as comparing an OLB in a 3-4 to a DE in a 4-3.

& xtru..... you're my bro and all, but I doubt Ware would play as well as a DE in a 4-3. In fact, I doubt he'll play every down.

If I could chose, I'd pick Ware, because I would pick a 3-4. But if I were to pick a 4-3, I'd pick Mario.

MATRIX
03-29-2007, 11:46 PM
Ware would not be the player he is as a 4-3 LB. Mario has the size and strengh to still be a great 3-4 DE. Mario can play both, and without classifying which defense the HC would run, everyone should take Mario for that reason.

To top that statement, Mario ALSO played at DT last year some. I remember 1 game they said "They really need to get Williams in his position. Moving him this much maycofuse an offence, but it dosen't help a rookie much either."

So, he has/can play DE(best spot for his true freakish ability)...LB(3-4)...DT (just to try I guess, no clue why they tried it).

mexican_texan
03-29-2007, 11:49 PM
It's plain homerism to not take Ware...

real
03-30-2007, 09:35 AM
It's plain homerism to not take Ware...

Pretty much...

real
03-30-2007, 09:36 AM
LB(3-4)....


Your views are really distorted if you think Mario can play anybody's linebacker...

jerek
03-30-2007, 09:43 AM
It's plain homerism to not take Ware...

Pretty much...

Of course it's homerism. Why bother to hold camps and practices? Why not just hold a one-day tryout, pick the guys that perform the best, and ignore the element of potential entirely, or your faith in your ability to coach it? Why draft rookies?--let's overpay for every big name, "proven" free agent on the market, fill our roster only with guys who have produced the biggest numbers to date.

Or do you not realize that that is precisely the mentality that you appear to be advocating?

If OTOH you simply think Ware is the better player regardless of potential (where Mario, by just about any account that I can conceive of, clearly has the edge, but if you don't think so then fine) vs. historical performance, then say it and leave the homerism insults out it?

"I think Mario's better."

"You're just a homer."

"Don't you want to know why?"

"No, you're just a homer. Homer homer homer. I know everything. I can't be wrong and if you disagree you're just a homer."

real
03-30-2007, 09:47 AM
Of course it's homerism. Why bother to hold camps and practices? Why not just hold a one-day tryout, pick the guys that perform the best, and ignore the element of potential entirely, or your faith in your ability to coach it? Why draft rookies?--let's overpay for every big name, "proven" free agent on the market, fill our roster only with guys who have produced the biggest numbers to date.

Or do you not realize that that is precisely the mentality that you appear to be advocating?

If OTOH you simply think Ware is the better player regardless of potential (where Mario, by just about any account that I can conceive of, clearly has the edge, but if you don't think so then fine) vs. historical performance, then say it and leave the homerism insults out it?

"I think Mario's better."

"You're just a homer."

"Don't you want to know why?"

"No, you're just a homer. Homer homer homer. I know everything. I can't be wrong and if you disagree you're just a homer."


HOMER!!!