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Errant Hothy
03-26-2007, 02:44 PM
The master of the draft has started to post his thoughts/board/etc. I'll do my best to provide links and any relevant information.

Combine coverage:
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/columnists/rgosselin/stories/030407dnspogosselin.2b7bf6d.html

Top 10:
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/columnists/rgosselin/stories/030407dnspogosselintop10.2b7711e.html

Risers:
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/columnists/rgosselin/stories/030407dnspogosselinup.2b7ab96.html

Fallers:
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/columnists/rgosselin/stories/030407dnspogosselindown.2b79909.html

Nothing that graet yet, but after the owners meetings he should start to write more draft stuff. For those of you who don't know; Goose bases his mock's/Top 100 off of information he gets from talking to scouting department around the NFL; not from watching tape. Usually he has the most accurate of teh media mocks, and he almost always neails the Top 10 picks. He may be teh best draft expert today.

Edit: If a mod could fix Gosselin's name please that would be great.

kastofsna
03-26-2007, 02:47 PM
i was just wondering today what Gosselin has been up to. not much lately, it seems. not a very good top 10 right now.

Blake
03-26-2007, 05:36 PM
I like the top 10. Jarrett is the only one I dont agree 100% with.

Kastofsna, what does your top 10 look like, since Gosselin's is "not very good?"

kastofsna
03-26-2007, 05:56 PM
something to the tune of:

1: Calvin Johnson
2: Adrian Peterson
3: Joe Thomas
4: Brady Quinn
5: Adam Carriker
6: Gaines Adams
7: Amobi Okoye
8: Reggie Nelson
9: Levi Brown
10: Ted Ginn, Jr

nunusguy
03-26-2007, 06:43 PM
I'm looking forward to Gosselin's first mock, which I don't think has been
published yet ?
He is one of the most accurate at predicting who drafts who and
when.

Errant Hothy
03-29-2007, 02:04 PM
Good read about Hampton

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/football/nfl/draft/stories/033007dnsponfldrafthampton.cd54fb0.html

• Travarous Bain was a two-time All-MEAC selection at cornerback. He transferred to Hampton from Miami (Fla.), where he doubled as a defensive back on the football team and a sprinter on the track team.

I'm interesetd in this guy, everything I've read says he as the tools to make it.

beerlover
03-29-2007, 02:10 PM
something to the tune of:

1: Calvin Johnson
2: Adrian Peterson
3: Joe Thomas
4: Brady Quinn
5: Adam Carriker
6: Gaines Adams
7: Amobi Okoye
8: Reggie Nelson
9: Levi Brown
10: Ted Ginn, Jr

your cracking me up :laughjump:

calvin
adrian
brady
gaines
joe
adam
laron
levi
amobi
leon

Errant Hothy
03-30-2007, 01:54 PM
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/football/nfl/draft/gosselin_rankings.html

Goose's Top 5 by position, no big shockers except Carriker is listed as the 5th DE.

Errant Hothy
04-12-2007, 11:29 AM
Goose's Top 10 by position:

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/football/nfl/draft/gosselin_rankings.html

Surprises: Chris Henry is the 4th RB, Tony Ugoh is listed as the 4th OT, James Marten is the 10th OT, Marshal Yanda is not listed as a top 10 OT or OG, Leroy Harris as the #2 OC, Quincy Black at the 6th ILB, Desmond Bishop at the 8th OLB, Chris Houston is the #4 rated CB, Tanard Jackson is the #5 spot, no Micheal Johnson or Josh Gattis on the safety list.

Good reads about...stuff:

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/football/nfl/stories/040407dnsponfldrafttyler.27189c37.html

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/football/nfl/stories/040607dnspodraftflorida.30cc9e30.html

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/football/nfl/stories/040607dnspodraftflorida.30cc9e30.html

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/football/nfl/stories/041107dnsponfldrafthester.6d4e61e.html

Rick will be writing his first mock this weekend. I'll do my best to find a Dallas Morning News, but hopefully it should be on-line by Monday as well.

Errant Hothy
04-12-2007, 04:00 PM
Today's story "Sons try to follow fathers to NFL"

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/football/nfl/draft/stories/041307dnsponfldraftfamilyties.1132f124.html

Goose is the best at this kind of stuff, mixing story type peices then switching it up the next day with a mock or something; and it's all free.

TexanFan881
04-13-2007, 11:41 PM
Goose's Top 10 by position:

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/football/nfl/draft/gosselin_rankings.html

Surprises: Chris Henry is the 4th RB, Tony Ugoh is listed as the 4th OT, James Marten is the 10th OT, Marshal Yanda is not listed as a top 10 OT or OG, Leroy Harris as the #2 OC, Quincy Black at the 6th ILB, Desmond Bishop at the 8th OLB, Chris Houston is the #4 rated CB, Tanard Jackson is the #5 spot, no Micheal Johnson or Josh Gattis on the safety list.

Good reads about...stuff:

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/football/nfl/stories/040407dnsponfldrafttyler.27189c37.html

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/football/nfl/stories/040607dnspodraftflorida.30cc9e30.html

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/football/nfl/stories/040607dnspodraftflorida.30cc9e30.html

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/football/nfl/stories/041107dnsponfldrafthester.6d4e61e.html

Rick will be writing his first mock this weekend. I'll do my best to find a Dallas Morning News, but hopefully it should be on-line by Monday as well.

I was shocked when I saw that Michael Bush was the #10 RB?!?!?! What did I miss? I think he's got to be at least in the top 5 RBs. Gattis and Johnson should also definately be on there. And I think Steve Smith should be higher.

Lucky
04-15-2007, 02:17 AM
I'm looking forward to Gosselin's first mock, which I don't think has been
published yet ?
Gosselin's first mock (http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/football/nfl/draft/stories/041507dnspomockdraft.2dc3375.html)


1. Oakland JaMarcus Russell QB LSU
2. Detroit Adrian Peterson RB Oklahoma
3. Cleveland Calvin Johnson WR Georgia Tech
4. Tampa Bay Brady Quinn QB Notre Dame
5. Arizona Joe Thomas OT Wisconsin
6. Washington Gaines Adams DE Clemson
7. Minnesota LaRon Landry S LSU
8. Atlanta Leon Hall CB Michigan
9. Miami Alan Branch DT Michigan
10. Houston Amobi Okoye DT Louisville
11. San Francisco Jamaal Anderson DE Arkansas
12. Buffalo Marshawn Lynch RB California
13. St. Louis Darrelle Revis CB Pittsburgh
14. Carolina Patrick Willis LB Mississippi
15. Pittsburgh Adam Carriker DE Nebraska
16. Green Bay Ted Ginn Jr. WR Ohio State
17. Jacksonville Jarvis Moss DE Florida
18. Cincinnati Reggie Nelson S Florida
19. Tennessee Robert Meachem WR Tennessee
20. N.Y. Giants Levi Brown OT Penn State
21. Denver Lawrence Timmons LB Florida State 22.Dallas Dwayne Bowe WR LSU
23. Kansas City Justin Harrell DT Tennessee
24. New England Jon Beason LB Miami
25. N.Y. Jets Aaron Ross CB Texas
26. Philadelphia Chris Houston CB Arkansas
27. New Orleans Dwayne Jarrett WR Southern California
28. New England Michael Griffin S Texas
29. Baltimore Joe Staley OT Central Michigan
30. San Diego Anthony Gonzalez WR Ohio State
31. Chicago Paul Posluszny LB Penn State
32. Indianapolis Greg Olsen TE MiamiWow. Peterson to the Lions? Calvin Johnson to the Browns? Haven't seen that in any other mocks.

Texans go d-line in the 1st round for the 3rd consecutive draft.

No sleepers in the 1st round. They are who we thought they were.

Specnatz
04-15-2007, 02:50 AM
Gosselin's first mock (http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/football/nfl/draft/stories/041507dnspomockdraft.2dc3375.html)

Wow. Peterson to the Lions? Calvin Johnson to the Browns? Haven't seen that in any other mocks.

Texans go d-line in the 1st round for the 3rd consecutive draft.

No sleepers in the 1st round. They are who we thought they were.

Team Player Pos. School
1. Oakland JaMarcus Russell QB LSU
2. Detroit Adrian Peterson RB Oklahoma
Matt Millen has struggled with top-10 picks in his stint as general manager of the Lions. Peterson would be a safe and popular choice. Detroit had success using first-round picks on Oklahoma runners Steve Owens (1970) and Billy Sims (1980).
3. Cleveland Calvin Johnson WR Georgia Tech
4. Tampa Bay Brady Quinn QB Notre Dame
5. Arizona Joe Thomas OT Wisconsin
6. Washington Gaines Adams DE Clemson
7. Minnesota LaRon Landry S LSU
8. Atlanta Leon Hall CB Michigan
9. Miami Alan Branch DT Michigan
10. Houston Amobi Okoye DT Louisville
11. San Francisco Jamaal Anderson DE Arkansas
12. Buffalo Marshawn Lynch RB California
13. St. Louis Darrelle Revis CB Pittsburgh
14. Carolina Patrick Willis LB Mississippi
15. Pittsburgh Adam Carriker DE Nebraska
Carriker is the prototypical defensive end for a 3-4 scheme. But his true value lies is his versatility. With his size (6-6, 296), he can line up at any of the four positions along the defensive line.
16. Green Bay Ted Ginn Jr. WR Ohio State
17. Jacksonville Jarvis Moss DE Florida
18. Cincinnati Reggie Nelson S Florida
19. Tennessee Robert Meachem WR Tennessee
20. N.Y. Giants Levi Brown OT Penn State
21. Denver Lawrence Timmons LB Florida State
22. Dallas Dwayne Bowe WR LSU
With two starting wide receivers in their 30s, the Cowboys need a young player to build a future downfield passing game for Tony Romo. Bowe is a physical receiver in the Michael Irvin mold.
23. Kansas City Justin Harrell DT Tennessee
24. New England Jon Beason LB Miami
25. N.Y. Jets Aaron Ross CB Texas
26. Philadelphia Chris Houston CB Arkansas
27. New Orleans Dwayne Jarrett WR Southern California
28. New England Michael Griffin S Texas
29. Baltimore Joe Staley OT Central Michigan
30. San Diego Anthony Gonzalez WR Ohio State
31. Chicago Paul Posluszny LB Penn State
32. Indianapolis Greg Olsen TE Miami

I highlited two that seem to be moving up versus being drafted in the second round so i would consider them a reach because of other players not drafred. Meaning players drafted that are not BPA versus BPAw/Need.

kiwitexansfan
04-15-2007, 03:08 AM
Amobi Okoye is an intriguing pick.

Doesn't make me jump up and down, but it definitely could turn into a gold star choice.

Revis, Nelson and Brown are guys that I would consider if we dpn't go for Okoye.

Scooter
04-15-2007, 03:22 AM
Gosselin's first mock (http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/football/nfl/draft/stories/041507dnspomockdraft.2dc3375.html)

Wow. Peterson to the Lions? Calvin Johnson to the Browns? Haven't seen that in any other mocks.

Texans go d-line in the 1st round for the 3rd consecutive draft.

No sleepers in the 1st round. They are who we thought they were.

FOUR consecutive years if you include the debacle that was the jason babin trade (babin, travis johnson, mario ... okoye?). our last three drafts is simply more than enough for me to want to address any other position but the d-line. our eldest first rounder is babin who only has 3 years as a pro (and only one as a DE), so we're far from screaming bust about the whole unit when it's that young. it's time to work on the rest of the team.

Kaiser Toro
04-15-2007, 09:45 AM
Very interesting that he does not have Kalil going in the first round. Chris Houston at 26.

I hope we can find a trade partner in the early to mid 20's and pick up a second rounder to go after Kalil. If somehow we could swing those two guys it would be a boondoggle of epic proportions. Very unlikely, but I dare to dream because I am silly like that.

WaywardTexanFan
04-15-2007, 10:32 AM
Amobi Okoye is an intriguing pick.

Doesn't make me jump up and down, but it definitely could turn into a gold star choice.

Revis, Nelson and Brown are guys that I would consider if we dpn't go for Okoye.



I definately can live with Amobi Okoye he should be a run stuffing Tackle to start. He is only 20 so his upside is his greatest strength.

Lucky
04-15-2007, 01:58 PM
I highlited two that seem to be moving up versus being drafted in the second round so i would consider them a reach because of other players not drafred.
Griffin went #26 in scouts.com mock. Draftdaddy.com's mock also has Gonzalez going to the Chargers in the 1st. Again, not what one would call sleeper picks in the 1st round. Like a John McCargo last year, Chris Spencer in '05, or Jason Babin in '04.

Vinny
04-15-2007, 02:36 PM
I definately can live with Amobi Okoye he should be a run stuffing Tackle to start. He is only 20 so his upside is his greatest strength.run stuffing will likely be his big weakness early in his career. The big over sized NFL Guards will likely be able to push him around in the run game till he gets a bit bigger. His interior pass rushing skills will be his strength.

Honoring Earl 34
04-15-2007, 02:40 PM
I'd much rather have Okoye than Branch .

I can see Okoye being a solid 315 in a couple of years .

I can see Branch looking like TJ's much bigger brother .

Vinny
04-15-2007, 02:43 PM
I'd much rather have Okoye than Branch .

I can see Okoye being a solid 315 in a couple of years .

I can see Branch looking like TJ's much bigger brother .I think you got it backwards. Branch is a massive guy who will be more like Stroud and Henderson....and Okoye is built more like TJ.

Honoring Earl 34
04-15-2007, 02:45 PM
I think you got it backwards. Branch is a massive guy who will be more like Stroud and Henderson....and Okoye is built more like TJ.

TJ's 6'3 and battles his weight ... so Branch being TJ's bigger brother is a 6'6 guy who is going to battle his weight .

Vinny
04-15-2007, 02:47 PM
ok...yeah, I guess the 'bigger brother' part didn't register with me at first glance.

Honoring Earl 34
04-15-2007, 02:56 PM
ok...yeah, I guess the 'bigger brother' part didn't register with me at first glance.

I see Okoye as a bigger John Randall .

I think it's OK to be big like Gilbert Brown , Ted Washigton or Jamal Williams but you need to be able get some push . I did'nt see TJ at 310 or whatever do that .

If you're looking for a big guy to eat space draft Paul Solai in the 4th or 5th ... it's much safer .

Vinny
04-15-2007, 03:08 PM
I see Okoye as a bigger John Randall .

I think it's OK to be big like Gilbert Brown , Ted Washigton or Jamal Williams but you need to be able get some push . I did'nt see TJ at 310 or whatever do that .

If you're looking for a big guy to eat space draft Paul Solai in the 4th or 5th ... it's much safer .4th or 5th round picks as a "potential starters" is not 'much safer' really. Those guys are long shots to start and are generally guys who are reserve caliber. One of our biggest problems beside no pass rush is stopping the run. We need to do at least one or the other next season and taking guys in the second day of the draft will likely only get you a player that barely makes the team. I don't see how we can avoid not picking a DL with one of our two first day picks.

Honoring Earl 34
04-15-2007, 03:55 PM
At this point I see TJ as a bust ... a 1st rd bust . I guess greater risk , greater reward .

I think the Texas need help first at WR , DB , DL , OL .

The strength of this draft is WR , DB ... so in the 3rd and 4th you can get a decent player .

So the question is who at #10 ? What about Harrell over Branch ? I like SEC linemen .

texasguy346
04-15-2007, 09:45 PM
He's got the Colts picking up Greg Olsen. That just wouldn't be fair. They'd have Clark & Olsen as their TE whenever they went to a two TE set with Marvin & Wayne on the outside. Imagine the headaches that could cause for a defense.

Errant Hothy
04-16-2007, 10:27 AM
A couple more bits, a good read about Calvin Johnson:

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/columnists/rgosselin/stories/041507dnsponfldraftlede.331cf04.html

QB preview, with teh discalimer the Rick has said on the radio that you can draw a line at Jeff Rowe on who might be able to start and who is destined to be a back-up:

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/football/nfl/draft/stories/041507dnsponfldraftqb.2eb7ef6.html

Safety preview:

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/football/nfl/draft/stories/041607dnsponfldraftsafety.35b6773.html

Updated rankings with risers, fallers and sleepers:

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/football/nfl/draft/gosselin_rankings.html

Goldensilence
04-16-2007, 12:25 PM
He's got the Colts picking up Greg Olsen. That just wouldn't be fair. They'd have Clark & Olsen as their TE whenever they went to a two TE set with Marvin & Wayne on the outside. Imagine the headaches that could cause for a defense.

Don't forget Ben Utecht who seemed to emerge as a viable TE as Clark was forced to more or less play slot. Yeah though...straight up unfair. Looks like they wouldn't miss Stokely.

Texans_Chick
04-16-2007, 04:06 PM
Okoye seems like a Texans kinda guy.

Good guy, motivated, over-acheiver, articulate. And fills yet another need for the team.

Quinn to Tampa Bay is a little squirrely to me.

Errant Hothy
04-17-2007, 10:16 AM
Tight end preview:
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/football/nfl/gosselin/position/stories/041707dnsponfldraftte.2a5b471.html

Sleeper
Rodney Hannah, Houston

Tony Gonzalez, Antonio Gates and Marcus Pollard all played college basketball and all have excelled in the NFL at tight end. Hannah (6-8, 245) played two seasons of basketball at Houston before turning to football in 2006. He had a 16-rebound game against Louisville and a two-touchdown game against Grambling.

Gosselin mentions Hannah again in the article, but gives the TE class an overall grade of 1.

Errant Hothy
04-18-2007, 09:18 AM
Cornerback preview:
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/football/nfl/draft/stories/041807dnsponfldraftcb.29e52f1.html

Quick takes: A dozen corners could go on the first day, and all but three of them run a 4.39-second 40 or better. The second day of the draft features size but little speed.

Gosselin gives the class a grade of 7 (out of 10).

An ok read about juco players in this year's draft:
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/football/nfl/draft/stories/041807dnsponfldraftjuco.170bbbe7.html

Chance_C
04-18-2007, 12:00 PM
I think Okoye would be a good pick for us if Landry is not there and we don't trade down. People cry about using all these picks on the DL, but it is still a need. On the other hand, I would favor a trade down scenario where we could land either Nelson or Revis, and then pick up Kalil. That would be really nice.

Errant Hothy
04-18-2007, 04:31 PM
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/columnists/rgosselin/stories/040107dnspogosselin.3d58630.html

An older article I hadn't posted yet.

Offensive tackle
Measurables: 6-5, 310, 34-inch arms

The reason I bring this up is the recent reports the Thoams may be falling down some draft boards. I was curious as to why and one of teh things I notices is that Thomas' wingspan was only measured at 32.5 inches. Just food for thought.

Errant Hothy
04-18-2007, 09:43 PM
Gosselin was on the radio here in the DFW this afternoon, and said the following (recaped):

1) There are 7 blue chip procpects in this year's draft, both QBs are in this group.

2) There are an additional 24 players who are 1st round talent, for a total of 31. Much higher then I, and most others, thought.

3) The two players sliding down most boards are Ted Ginn Reggie Nelson. He didn't give any reasons but I've heard/read rumblings about Nelson's intellegence.

Some interesting stuff, he also said that he'll start talking to Head Coaches over the next week and a half. He's already talked to many scouts, GMs and assiant coaches.

Errant Hothy
04-19-2007, 09:23 AM
O-line preview, I'm going to go pretty quote heavy on this one:
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/football/nfl/gosselin/position/stories/041907dnspodraftol.1b221c2.html

He gives the class an overall grade of 9

Quick take: You have to go back to 2002 to find the last draft more than four offensive linemen were selected in the first round. There were five that year. This year there are six with first-round grades.

The best
Joe Thomas, Wisconsin

No lineman in this draft combines the academic and athletic excellence that Joe Thomas does. He was a finalist for the Wuerffel Trophy (academic, athletic and community service) and the Draddy Award (academic Heisman). On the field, he won the Outland Trophy as the best down lineman in college football and the Parker Award as the best blocker.

No. 2: Levi Brown was the second-best offensive lineman in the Big Ten and the second-best offensive linemen on this draft board. He's No. 2 in both cases to Wisconsin tackle Joe Thomas. Maybe it should be 1a and 1b. Brown doesn't see much difference between himself and Thomas. "I'm a great athlete and love to play the game," said Brown, a four-year starter at Penn State. "I have the ability to dominate anybody. Whether or not I'm taken No. 1, I plan on making it to a lot of Pro Bowls in my career."

Bulking up: Joe Staley was a tight end in football and a sprinter on his prep track team, setting a school record in the 200 meters. Five years later, he's on NFL draft boards as a 306-pound offensive tackle. High on that draft board, in fact. Staley arrived at Central Michigan at 230 pounds to play tight end. But his coaches moved him to tackle as a sophomore and he bulked up to 260. "I thought I was a good size for a tight end," Staley said, "but the new coaching staff told me I was going to be a light tackle." For a while, anyway. He played at 285 pounds as a junior, 295 as a senior and plans to play in the NFL at 305. "It worked out for me," he said.

Sleeper
Drew Mormino, C, Central Michigan

NFL scouts trooped to Mount Pleasant, Mich., this fall to see tackle Joe Staley, who projects as a first-round pick. A bonus in that campus visit was the chance to evaluate Mormino, a four-year starter for the Chippewas. He'll probably be a late-round pick on a thin center draft board.

There is some good info on the centers and some other sleeper picks, easily the best one so far from Gosselin.

Errant Hothy
04-19-2007, 02:08 PM
A good read about medical issues and how they affect the draft:
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/football/nfl/draft/stories/042007dnsponfldraftbush.209df4b9.html

So the question remains – do you draft Bush knowing he may not be ready for the start of training camp? Will he even be ready for the start of the season? How much will he even be able to play as a rookie?

If the Texans are able to get back a 1st day pick, and Bush is still there in the third whould we take him (assumnig Peterson wasn't there at 10)? I can't decied personnaly, but I'd really like a franchise back and I think Green could carry the load for a year whilel Bush got better.

Errant Hothy
04-20-2007, 09:24 AM
Linebacker review:
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/football/nfl/stories/042007dnsponfldraftlb.2945b43.html

Quick take: NFL teams in need of a linebacker may have to get him in the first three rounds – and there are only 10 with first-day value. There is little speed at the position, and it will all be gone by the end of the first day.

The best
Patrick Willis, Mississippi

Willis was a two-year starter, a two-time All-Southeastern Conference performer and the SEC Defensive Player of the Year in 2006. He led the SEC in tackles both seasons. He played most of the 2005 season with a cast on his right hand to protect a broken finger. He's also played through a sprained knee and foot and a shoulder separation in his career. The NFL loves his ability, toughness and speed.

Overall grade for the class is a 4.

nunusguy
04-20-2007, 09:59 AM
Patrick Willis is really awesome because he's got the production, experience
(2-year starter in the countrys best confeence), and his measureables are off the chart. So its kinda odd when one considers he may have not played his natural position in college ?
What is a guy with sub 4.4 speed doing playing MLB ? With that speed, and incredible athleticism he's got to be playing on the outside in a 4-3 and probably at Will ?
Though we aren't hurting at LB the way we are at some other positions, I wouldn't feel bad if the Texans took him. He's a playmaker and can only elevate the overall talent and performance level of our teams D.

Lucky
04-21-2007, 10:16 AM
Gosselin has updated his player rankings (http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/football/nfl/draft/gosselin_rankings.html), and now has Revis over Hall as the #1 CB.

That doesn't surprise me, as Hall is one of the more overrated players in this draft. Despite his timed speed, Hall can be beaten on deep routes. He could be fantastic in a cover 2 defense, with a safety over the top. But not in a Texan type defense, where the blitz would put Hall on an island.

Revis would be a better fit for what the Texans are doing on defense. But, is Revis that much better of a prospect than Maryland's Josh Wilson (who's slated to be drafted a round or two later)? For that matter, how much seperation is there between Hall and Freson State's Marcus McCauley? I just don't think there is a corner worth selecting in the top 10, though there is plenty of value at CB from the 2nd round on.

Kaiser Toro
04-21-2007, 10:32 AM
Gosselin has updated his player rankings (http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/football/nfl/draft/gosselin_rankings.html), and now has Revis over Hall as the #1 CB.

That doesn't surprise me, as Hall is one of the more overrated players in this draft. Despite his timed speed, Hall can be beaten on deep routes. He could be fantastic in a cover 2 defense, with a safety over the top. But not in a Texan type defense, where the blitz would put Hall on an island.

Revis would be a better fit for what the Texans are doing on defense. But, is Revis that much better of a prospect than Maryland's Josh Wilson (who's slated to be drafted a round or two later)? For that matter, how much seperation is there between Hall and Freson State's Marcus McCauley? I just don't think there is a corner worth selecting in the top 10, though there is plenty of value at CB from the 2nd round on.

We are looking for a CB2 and would not mind dropping to find that need either. I have not "broken" down Hall, but if he can't cover on an island, specifically with a guy like Dunta who has shown he can get to the QB in our blitz packages, we need to pass on him altogether in my opinion.

Kaiser Toro
04-21-2007, 10:42 AM
Interesting that Central Michigan has a OT, Staley, and C, Mormino, on his short list at each position.

nunusguy
04-21-2007, 12:55 PM
Given Revis's abilities as a return guy, he would seem to be a better investment than Hall ? And Hall definitely has problems against top-flight competiton it would seem ? The Trojan WRs chewed-up Hall & Co. in the secondary in the Rose Bowl and Ginn tap-danced all over Halls head in the big
OSU-Michigan show-down last Fall.
Speaking of the RB, Gosselin's sleeper at OT is a Dallas-area guy who went to USC and was their RT last year. As I recall, the guys on that side of USC's OLine also did a number on that side of the Wolverine's DLine, let by one Mr. Alan Branch. I dunno, but I'm thinking that USC runs a lot of ZB stuff, so that USC sleeper OT is just the kind of guy the Broncos (and maybe now Texans ?) find guys at in the late rounds for their system.

Vinny
04-21-2007, 01:20 PM
Gosselin has updated his player rankings (http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/football/nfl/draft/gosselin_rankings.html), and now has Revis over Hall as the #1 CB.

That doesn't surprise me, as Hall is one of the more overrated players in this draft. Despite his timed speed, Hall can be beaten on deep routes. He could be fantastic in a cover 2 defense, with a safety over the top. But not in a Texan type defense, where the blitz would put Hall on an island.

Revis would be a better fit for what the Texans are doing on defense. But, is Revis that much better of a prospect than Maryland's Josh Wilson (who's slated to be drafted a round or two later)? For that matter, how much seperation is there between Hall and Freson State's Marcus McCauley? I just don't think there is a corner worth selecting in the top 10, though there is plenty of value at CB from the 2nd round on.

I’ve liked Darrell Reevis (http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=552029&postcount=23) (posted that last December) since before he started to climb up the mock drafts. I didn’t catch much of him but the little I saw was impressive. He probably has the highest ceiling, but Hall could have the highest floor.

Errant Hothy
04-21-2007, 05:52 PM
Wide Reciever preview:
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/football/nfl/draft/stories/042107dnspodraftwr.259aba9.html

Gooselin give's this group an overal grade of 10 (first 10 we've seen this year for strength grade, and probably the only one we're going to see).

Quick take: You can find a major college producer with up-side in every round of this draft. There could be as many as six in the first round. And there are receivers/kick returners galore.

Me thinks this means the Texans will not be going WR at 10.

Errant Hothy
04-22-2007, 12:36 PM
Mock #2 from Goose:
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/columnists/rgosselin/stories/042207dnspomockdraft.324c744.html

1. Oakland Calvin Johnson WR Georgia Tech
COMMENT: Say goodbye to Randy Moss
2. Detroit Gaines Adams DE Clemson
COMMENT: Best pass-rusher in the draft
3. Cleveland JaMarcus Russell QB LSU
COMMENT: Browns like his 85-yard arm
4. Tampa Bay Adrian Peterson HB Oklahoma
COMMENT: Bucs need more big plays on offense
5. Arizona Joe Thomas OT Wisconsin
COMMENT: LT Leonard Davis left in free agency
6. Washington LaRon Landry S LSU
COMMENT: Landry-Sean Taylor a stout safety combo
7. Minnesota Brady Quinn QB Notre Dame
COMMENT: Too much value to pass up
8. Atlanta Jamaal Anderson DE Arkansas
COMMENT: DE Patrick Kerney left in free agency
9. Miami Amobi Okoye DT Louisville
COMMENT: DL Kevin Carter a salary-cap casualty
10. Houston Darrelle Revis CB Pittsburgh
COMMENT: Texans must play the Colts twice each year

Other interesting bits, Ben Grubbs goes 15, Alan Branch goes at 18, Levi Brown at 20, Joes Staley at 23, and no Chris Houston in the first.

Errant Hothy
04-22-2007, 12:44 PM
Defensive line preview:
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/football/nfl/draft/stories/042207dnspodraftdl.1d97cc9.html

Quick take: The first round and first day are deep. There could be eight defensive linemen go in the first round and as many as 20 in the first day. There is little speed on this board, but there is size and pass-rush ability.

SLOW START: There's a reason for the slow start to Gaines Adams' football career. He played eight-man football in high school in South Carolina. "I played everywhere," Adams said. "When you have only eight men on the field, you don't really have a position." Coming out of high school, Adams received no scholarship offers from NCAA Division I-A or even any I-AA schools. So he attended Fork Union prep school and also had a growth spurt. He went from 215 as a senior in high school to 225 at Fork Union before arriving at Clemson at 250. Now he's considered the best pass rusher in this draft. "Football is football, whether it's eight- or 11-man," Adams said. "You're still going to hit, and you're still going to score touchdowns. But in eight-man you have to cover more ground."

Plus another article about character:
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/football/nfl/draft/stories/042207dnsponfldraftlede.324d9db.html

Several players on this draft board have character flags, including potential first-round picks Jarvis Moss, a defensive end from Florida, and Brandon Meriweather, a safety from Miami.

Other players with first-day draft value but character flags include Nevada-Las Vegas cornerback Eric Wright, Texas cornerback Tarell Brown and Florida defensive tackle Marcus Thomas.

Vinny
04-22-2007, 12:47 PM
10. Houston Darrelle Revis CB Pittsburgh
COMMENT: Texans must play the Colts twice each year

I wouldn't mind Revis at all. Him and Robinson and Pety as the nickel back is a NFL quality grade cornerback situation imo. I think we go defense first round unless some really elite prospect falls from the other side of the ball.

Lucky
04-22-2007, 03:11 PM
I think this will be a fun 1st round!

Comments are mine:
1. Oakland Calvin Johnson WR Georgia Tech
COMMENT: I think the Raiders are blowing smoke to entice Tampa to trade up for CJ. I think the Raiders would be happy with either Russell or Quinn at #4.
2. Detroit Gaines Adams DE Clemson
COMMENT: This is their guy, but Millen would rather take him 3 or 4 spots lower.
3. Cleveland JaMarcus Russell QB LSU
COMMENT: If Russell is gone, Quinn is the pick.
4. Tampa Bay Adrian Peterson HB Oklahoma
COMMENT: If the Bucs can't land CJ, they'll look to trade down.
5. Arizona Joe Thomas OT Wisconsin
COMMENT: Thomas is the pick here, but they would consider Peterson.
6. Washington LaRon Landry S LSU
COMMENT: This pick makes sense. If it's Da Bears with the pick.
7. Minnesota Brady Quinn QB Notre Dame
COMMENT: Quinn, Peterson, Landry. Whomever is left.
8. Atlanta Jamaal Anderson DE Arkansas
COMMENT: Anderson makes sense, but don't count the Falcons out of the CJ derby just yet.
9. Miami Amobi Okoye DT Louisville
COMMENT: Okoye would be the fallback pick if the Fins can't move up for Quinn.
10. Houston Darrelle Revis CB Pittsburgh
COMMENT: Revis would be the best fit among the corners. Plus, he's a good punt returner. But, I think Kubiak & Smith would rather trade down to recoup that 2nd round pick lost in the Schaub deal.

TexFromBehind
04-22-2007, 03:20 PM
If we go secondary, isn't the only logical move to trade down? In fact, other than having someone drop to us or being dead set on Levi Brown, the talent at 10 is not much better than at 30. Who's to say Okoye is better than Harrell or Revis/Hall than Houston? There's no value in staying.

Lucky
04-22-2007, 03:36 PM
Who's to say Okoye is better than Harrell or Revis/Hall than Houston? There's no value in staying.
I agree. But, who's to say that the teams drafting below the Texans don't feel the same way? I think the 3 players teams might trade up for that could be available at #10 are Anderson, Willis, and Lynch.

Anderson is a pass rusher who can play all three downs. That's attractive to many teams.

Willis is the most athletically gifted of the top LBs. And the one with the most experience at MLB (but he could also play OLB).

Lynch is the clearcut #2 RB. If he gets clearance on the character issue, the Bills and the Pack could get into a bidding war.

Right now, I'd put the chances of the Texans moving down at less than 30%. But as Lloyd Christmas might say, they still have a chance.

nunusguy
04-23-2007, 08:44 AM
One of Gosselin's dubious picks is Amobi Okoye to Miami when DLineman Carriker & Branch, much better suited to Capers 3-4, remain on the board ?
But another poster said that Gosselin's first couple mocks can be smoke-screens/diversions, and he waits until the last minute to post his final mock, real mock so he cuts down on the copy-cat factor.
And isn't it nice that Gosselin's mock is gratis to the NFL fan while the
mercenary Kiper-ESPN group tries to gouge us all with an inferior product ?
I love the irony !
BTW, Kubiaks requiremnt that the top pick start this year is more meaningful than most realize IMO.

Errant Hothy
04-23-2007, 09:42 AM
One of Gosselin's dubious picks is Amobi Okoye to Miami when DLineman Carriker & Branch, much better suited to Capers 3-4, remain on the board ?
But another poster said that Gosselin's first couple mocks can be smoke-screens/diversions, and he waits until the last minute to post his final mock, real mock so he cuts down on the copy-cat factor.
And isn't it nice that Gosselin's mock is gratis to the NFL fan while the
mercenary Kiper-ESPN group tries to gouge us all with an inferior product ?
I love the irony !
BTW, Kubiaks requiremnt that the top pick start this year is more meaningful than most realize IMO.

So if Caper's is so good at picking guys for his vaunted 3-4 D how do you explain the Travis Johnson pick? :D

Errant Hothy
04-23-2007, 09:53 AM
Running back preview:
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/football/nfl/draft/stories/042307dnspodraftrb.2811c43.html

Quick take: The running back board is shallow at the top and bottom. Only two backs have first-round value and the talent pool falls off dramatically in the second day. An average of 18 backs get drafted every year. There are unlikely to be that many in 2007.

Biggest surprise is Chris Henry listed as the third best running back.

nunusguy
04-23-2007, 10:10 AM
So if Caper's is so good at picking guys for his vaunted 3-4 D how do you explain the Travis Johnson pick? :D
You're right of course H-B, because TJ just like Okoye is basically a 1-gapper so therefor more suited to play DT in the 4-3 than in the 3-4.
Luis Castillo, the kid the Chargers got back in '05 in the TJ Draft, is working out OK as a end in SDs 3-4. Why did Capers pass on him ?
I guess the answer is Capers screwed up some picks. Several actually.

Lucky
04-23-2007, 10:58 AM
Luis Castillo, the kid the Chargers got back in '05 in the TJ Draft, is working out OK as a end in SDs 3-4. Why did Capers pass on him ?
Castillo failed a steroid test at the combine, which raised flags. Not for the Chargers, who also drafted Shawne Merriman the same year. Merriman was suspended for 4 games last season for failing a steroids test. It will be interesting to see how guys like Castillo & Merriman fare under the NFL's supposedly tougher steroid policy.

nunusguy
04-23-2007, 12:25 PM
Castillo failed a steroid test at the combine, which raised flags. Not for the Chargers, who also drafted Shawne Merriman the same year. Merriman was suspended for 4 games last season for failing a steroids test. It will be interesting to see how guys like Castillo & Merriman fare under the NFL's supposedly tougher steroid policy.
Marty Schottenheimer, one of the best coachs of our time (excluding an unfortunate playoff record) & talent evaluator & disciplinarian, did some serious research on Castillo and drafted him to play in the same kind of D that Capers ran here after determing his steroid incident was a false red flag. Don't think Capers was that thourough ?
As far as Merriman goes, he may be more of a problem than Castillo but had no history from college IIRC and was off the Board when we came up in the first round anyway.

Lucky
04-23-2007, 12:38 PM
Marty Schottenheimer, one of the best coachs of our time (excluding an unfortunate playoff record) & talent evaluator & disciplinarian, did some serious research on Castillo and drafted him to play in the same kind of D that Capers ran here after determing his steroid incident was a false red flag.
First, A.J. Smith, the Chargers GM, made those picks. His "serious research" was able to find 2 steroid offenders, plus another guy about to go on suspension for another drug offense in Terrance Kiel. Dom Capers and Charley Casserly never had the clearance to draft players with backgrounds such as that. C&C made a lot of mistakes on draft day, but you're using the wrong examples.

nunusguy
04-23-2007, 01:19 PM
First, A.J. Smith, the Chargers GM, made those picks. His "serious research" was able to find 2 steroid offenders, plus another guy about to go on suspension for another drug offense in Terrance Kiel. Dom Capers and Charley Casserly never had the clearance to draft players with backgrounds such as that. C&C made a lot of mistakes on draft day, but you're using the wrong examples.
After his positive test, Castillo said he and his agent wrote letters to all 32 NFL teams to explain it was a one-time mistake on his part in an effort to help his elbow to heal so he could lift weights and perform at the NFL Combine in February.
Castillo explained he received “some bad advice” when he decided to take the steroids.
**
Smith and Chargers head coach Marty Schottenheimer said they were satisfied with the results of their investigation.
“It’s a non-issue for us,” Smith said. “We have an investigative process we went through and we’re very comfortable with it. If we were uncomfortable with it, he would not be a San Diego Charger.”
Added Schottenheimer, “I don’t think there is any question about the character of the young man, and any research you do will indicate that. To suggest that a young man did this one time and that means a lack of character is unrealistic and, frankly, unfair.”
http://www.chargers.com/news/headlines/news-111423960023026.htm
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This article lays out what I was talking about. It does appear to be a joint effort on the part of the GM & Marty.
With the Texans, Casserly was even more dependant upon Capers for input on personnel decisions re college players capable of succeeding in the 3-4, especially DLineman & OLBs.
So far, Capers obviously made a poor pick with TJ, both as a fit for the 3-4 & more importantly as a jock who can play in the NFL. Period. That was the origional point.

Errant Hothy
04-24-2007, 09:27 AM
Special teams preview:
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/football/nfl/draft/stories/042407dnspodraftspecialteams.28ec48c.html

Quick take: The NFL hasn't drafted a deep snapper in two years and did not use a first-day pick on either a kicker or a punter in 2006. That trend is likely to continue. But look for return specialists to be pushed up the board after the spectacular rookie season of Pro Bowler Devin Hester in 2006.



The best
MICHAEL GRIFFIN, PUNT DEFENSE, TEXAS

If Michael Griffin weren't projected as a first-round safety, he might have projected as a first-day selection just as a special teamer. He led Texas as a freshman with 21 special teams tackles and went on to block a school-record eight punts in his career. That ranks second in NCAA history. Griffin also returned six career punts for a 20.7-yard average.

Sleeper
JARED RETKOFSKY, DEEP SNAPPER, TCU

The deep snappers of greatest value are those with NFL size who can also play a position. Retkofsky goes 6-4 ½, 265, and was part of TCU's defensive tackle rotation. He collected three sacks in 2004. He spent two seasons as TCU's deep snapper.

Best of Texas
1. DANIEL SEPULVEDA, P, BAYLOR
Sepulveda was the only Division I All-American both on the field and in the classroom in 2006. The accounting major was a four-time academic All-Big 12 pick.

Draft projection: mid-rounds

2. MASON CROSBY, K, COLORADO (AND GEORGETOWN)

Draft projection: Late rounds

3. TULLY JANSZEN, DEEP SNAPPER, TEXAS

Draft projection: Late rounds/FA

Overall grade is a 2. Biggest surprise is that Crosby is not the #1 kicker, Justin Medlocl out of UCLA.

Errant Hothy
04-24-2007, 03:08 PM
Good article about the value of cover safeties:
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/football/nfl/draft/stories/042507dnsponfldraftsafeties.3f81c1a.html

Weddle was a two-time Mountain West defensive player of the year at Utah. He spent most of 2005 at safety and all of 2006 at cornerback. He can cover. Boy, can he ever. In the 2005 Emerald Bowl, Weddle lined up on Georgia Tech's Calvin Johnson in man-to-man coverage and held him to two catches for 19 yards.

This is something I hadn't heard yet. And reading about how he prepared for the game and studied tape was also impressive.

Gerald Alexander of Boise State, Dashon Goldson of Washington, Brandon Harrison of Stanford, Tanard Jackson of Syracuse and Darren Stone of Maine are other safeties in this draft who have started in their college careers at cornerback.

That's the guy I'm starting to like.

Errant Hothy
04-25-2007, 02:41 PM
Good little read on Brady Quinn:
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/columnists/rgosselin/stories/042507dnspogosselin.338275f.html

Errant Hothy
04-27-2007, 09:55 AM
The Top 100 (aka where Goose makes his rep and his money):
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/football/nfl/stories/042707dnspotop100.24f9573.html

The top 10
1. Calvin Johnson WR Ga. Tech
2. Adrian Peterson HB Oklahoma
3. JaMarcus Russell QB LSU
4. Joe Thomas OT Wisconsin
5. Brady Quinn QB Notre Dame
6. Gaines Adams DE Clemson
7. LaRon Landry S LSU
8. Darrelle Revis CB Pittsburgh
9. Levi Brown OT Penn St.
10. Leon Hall CB Michigan


15. Lawrence Timmons OLB Florida St.
20. Joe Staley OT C. Michigan
21. Amobi Okoye DT Louisville
22. Aaron Ross CB Texas
23. Jarvis Moss DE Florida
24. Jon Beason OLB Miami-Fla.
29. David Harris MLB Michigan
30. Brandon Meriweather S Miami-Fla.
32. Anthony Gonzalez WR Ohio St.
33. Alan Branch DT Michigan
34. Anthony Spencer DE Purdue
35. Chris Houston CB Arkansas
36. Ryan Kalil C Southern Cal
37. Trent Edwards QB Stanford
39. Dwayne Jarrett WR Southern Cal
40. Drew Stanton QB Michigan St.
41. Sidney Rice WR S. Carolina
44. Kevin Kolb QB Houston
45. Steve Smith WR Southern Cal
48. Victor Abiamiri DE Notre Dame
49. Tony Ugoh OT Arkansas
50. Marcus McCauley CB Fresno St.
57. Eric Weddle S Utah
58. Kenny Irons HB Auburn
60. Tanard Jackson S Syracuse
61. Jason Hill WR Wash. St.
62. Jonathan Wade CB Tennessee
63. Tim Crowder DE Texas
64. Ryan Harris OT Notre Dame
68. Josh Wilson CB Maryland
69. Chris Henry HB Arizona
70. Stewart Bradley OLB Nebraska
72. Dameion Hughes CB California
74. Justin Durant MLB Hampton
77. Doug Free OT N. Illinois
79. Jacoby Jones WR Lane
83. Brandon Jackson HB Nebraska
86. Usama Young CB Kent St.
87. Tony Hunt HB Penn St.
92. Brian Robison DE Texas
93. Marshal Yanda G Iowa
94. Michael Bush HB Louisville
95. Michael Coe CB Alabama St.
96. Jermon Bushrod OT Towson St.
97. Quinn Pitcock DT Ohio St.
99. Johnnie Lee Higgins WR UTEP

Kaiser Toro
04-27-2007, 10:22 AM
Wow, some interesting possibilities in the early second round. Trade down and pick up a second, unless AD, DR or LL are there at #10.

Vinny
04-27-2007, 10:31 AM
Wow, some interesting possibilities in the early second round. Trade down and pick up a second, unless AD, DR or LL are there at #10.
I don't see all that much to get excited about in the second round....most of those guys have big holes in their games or have big question marks about their character (Merriweather) or attitude (apparently Branch is a Jimmy Kennedy clone)....I see most of those guys as 2-3 year type prospects that won't start on most NFL teams as a rookie.

Errant Hothy
04-28-2007, 09:30 AM
Goose's final mock:
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/football/nfl/draft/stories/042807dnspomockdraft.2ad4086.html


10. Houston Texans
Selection: Darrelle Revis, CB, Pitt
Needs: Left OT, pass rusher, safety

When you rank 24th in defense, 28th in offense and 29th on special teams, anyone you draft brings an automatic upgrade. Revis is a double upgrade on defense and special teams. A two-time All-Big East cornerback, Revis also averaged 10.2 yards on punt returns in his career with two touchdowns. But Denver may move up here on the clock.

Quick notes:
-Russell goes #1
-5 LB in the first round
-Branch falls out of the first
-Okoye falls to 23
-Levi Brown goes 8
-Joe Staley goes 20
-Reggie Nelson goes 18
-Players available at 21; Jarvis Moss, Aaron Ross, Okoye, Meriweather, David Harris, Greg Olsen, Paul Posluszny, Justin Harrell, Ben Grubbs, Jom Beason, Dwayne Jarrett and Michael Griffin

Hey Vinny, Goose said, last night on the radio, that this was a 1st and 3rd round draft. He has 35 players with a 1st round grade, 23 with 2nd, and 43 with 3rd.

Specnatz
04-28-2007, 11:37 AM
I do not see Olson falling that far with teams using the TE as much as they do and him being the best in the draft.

I see Carolina or Jacksonville taking him.

Errant Hothy
04-30-2007, 02:29 PM
Gosselin's grades:
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/columnists/rgosselin/stories/043007dnspogosselingrades.3827e9f.html

Beware, he gave Tennessee an A. This is by far the weakest part of Goose's draft coverage.

And thus ends the 2007 Gosselin draft thread.

Vinny
04-30-2007, 02:44 PM
Gosselin's grades:
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/columnists/rgosselin/stories/043007dnspogosselingrades.3827e9f.html

Beware, he gave Tennessee an A. This is by far the weakest part of Goose's draft coverage.

And thus ends the 2007 Gosselin draft thread.lots of people are giving them high marks...we may want to pay attention. Most of us fans just don't have the time to "scout" players properly enough to grade them all correctly. Each year that I go through the draft, the more I understand this and the less I comment on players until I see them on the field with their new teams.

Specnatz
04-30-2007, 03:09 PM
lots of people are giving them high marks...we may want to pay attention. Most of us fans just don't have the time to "scout" players properly enough to grade them all correctly. Each year that I go through the draft, the more I understand this and the less I comment on players until I see them on the field with their new teams.

He also gave the Patriots a D, I am sorry but I do not buy his ratings of the draft. What major needs did the Pats have that was not addressed. DT to stuff the run and a Safety who hits like a truck and can help in some coverage.

The running back they drafted has never been a starter at any level plus while Griffin is not a bad player, they could have done a lot better in terms of addressing more pressing needs. I will not complain about the WR they got like others do because I think they got some steals in the latter rounds.

As much meligned as our O-Line has been last year we did not give up as many sacks as other teams who did not address that either.

Vinny
04-30-2007, 03:14 PM
He also gave the Patriots a D, I am sorry but I do not buy his ratings of the draft. What major needs did the Pats have that was not addressed. DT to stuff the run and a Safety who hits like a truck and can help in some coverage.

The running back they drafted has never been a starter at any level plus while Griffin is not a bad player, they could have done a lot better in terms of addressing more pressing needs. I will not complain about the WR they got like others do because I think they got some steals in the latter rounds.

As much meligned as our O-Line has been last year we did not give up as many sacks as other teams who did not address that either. Personally, I watch as much football as anyone I know (not necessarily a good thing) and I know that I have very limited information when it comes to grading out hundreds and hundreds of NFL prospects, so I really don't have too many hard conclusions like some of you guys form so early on.....that said, I've followed the NFL since around the early 70's and I've paid close attention year in, year out. Gosselin isn't perfect, but historically....he is as good as anyone...every year. He has the best scout contacts in the business and he doesn't consider himself a scout...he just compiles information as a real journalist. I don't know if he is right or wrong...but history is on his side.

Errant Hothy
04-30-2007, 03:17 PM
Yes but unlike his Top 100, Mocks, and postion rankings; Gosselin's grades are the one thing he complies on his own. He has great contacts, but isn't infaliable when it comes to grading drafts.

He always goes back and re-grades each draft come the end of the year, and it's very rare to see teh same grade for each team. He even admits that the only reason he writes the grades column is that the DMN forces him to.

Vinny
04-30-2007, 03:18 PM
Yes but unlike his Top 100, Mocks, and postion rankings; Gosselin's grades are the one thing he complies on his own. He has great contacts, but isn't infaliable when it comes to grading drafts.sure, but I bet he uses his very own info gathered from his very own contacts....I know he isn't using mine.

hadaad
04-30-2007, 03:20 PM
I think the Titans, considering all they lost after the season, did a credible job of recouping their losses. They are certainly better after the draft than before.

I thought they'd go after Nelson after Jacksonville traded down but maybe they liked Griffin better - maybe Adams just likes UT guys.

I think that the fact Tennessee and Jacksonville both got coverage guys in the first round shows how scared they are of Matt Schaub. :texflag:

Errant Hothy
04-30-2007, 05:53 PM
Scores:
http://www.thehuddlereport.com/top100/index.shtml

Gosselin won the Top 100 again. His five year average is 87.2.

2006 grades, both the day after grade and the end of the season grade
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/columnists/rgosselin/stories/011407dnsponflgrades.2770bea.html

kastofsna
05-01-2007, 04:17 PM
just found this forum. good stuff.

gosselin is the man when it comes to mocks, no question.

Errant Hothy
05-01-2007, 04:19 PM
just found this forum. good stuff.

gosselin is the man when it comes to mocks, no question.

Dude, welcome back.

Enjoy draft day?

kastofsna
05-01-2007, 04:24 PM
my grandmother and dog could both get hit by a car and i'd still enjoy draft weekend.

threetoedpete
05-02-2007, 12:29 PM
I think this will be a fun 1st round!

Comments are mine:

Well at least you were consistant. You missed 'em all.

threetoedpete
05-02-2007, 12:43 PM
Personally, I watch as much football as anyone I know (not necessarily a good thing) and I know that I have very limited information when it comes to grading out hundreds and hundreds of NFL prospects, so I really don't have too many hard conclusions like some of you guys form so early on.....that said, I've followed the NFL since around the early 70's and I've paid close attention year in, year out. Gosselin isn't perfect, but historically....he is as good as anyone...every year. He has the best scout contacts in the business and he doesn't consider himself a scout...he just compiles information as a real journalist. I don't know if he is right or wrong...but history is on his side.

The Patriots were in dire need of a go-to guy on the flank, but second- rounder Chad Jackson did not rise to the challenge, starting one game and catching 13 passes for the season.

All of you WR2 fans, there's you a cheap one come august.

kastofsna
05-02-2007, 01:12 PM
Well at least you were consistant. You missed 'em all.
i think i got about 4 right.

beerlover
05-19-2007, 11:40 AM
greetings y'all-

I feel like I just stepped out of the Bermuda Triangle or something.....:Tumblewee

anyway I wonder if Rick Gosselins Top 32 Draft Board fared as well as my own when I got 29 out of 32 right & Branch missed the 1st by one #33, Paul Posluszny by two #34 & Chris Houston went #41 who I all had first rd. grades on.

Justin Herrell #16 I had projected early 2nd, Anthony Gonzalez & Craig Davis all as mid 2nd rounders.

awtysst
05-20-2007, 12:32 AM
greetings y'all-

I feel like I just stepped out of the Bermuda Triangle or something.....:Tumblewee

anyway I wonder if Rick Gosselins Top 32 Draft Board fared as well as my own when I got 29 out of 32 right & Branch missed the 1st by one #33, Paul Posluszny by two #34 & Chris Houston went #41 who I all had first rd. grades on.

Justin Herrell #16 I had projected early 2nd, Anthony Gonzalez & Craig Davis all as mid 2nd rounders.

Of the first 35 players taken, I correctly identified 31. I think Gosling went 34/35 . Anyone know how Kiper did?