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redkoolaid
03-26-2007, 12:00 PM
At the No. 10 pick, if you had your choice between LaRon Landry..or Reggie Nelson..who would you take??

Me personally, even though Landry is a beast, and is probably more polished right now...

something tells me that Nelson has untapped potential, and will wind up being a better pro than Landry...

I'd go with Nelson...

Landry: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bip9KlMxd04

Nelson:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Zw7nxl4qa4

kastofsna
03-26-2007, 12:03 PM
nelson. a more complete package.

real
03-26-2007, 12:08 PM
I like Nelson more than Landry, but that may just be my personal bias.

I wouldn't complain about either one of those guys, but what we lack in is what Nelson excels at.

Nelson is great in pass coverage and creating turnovers. Landry is good in pass coverage and good at stopping the run.

For our defense I like Nelson best.

Texas_Thrill
03-26-2007, 12:09 PM
Landry. He's a more DEFINITE FS.

Even though Nelson is probably better in coverage I think it would be nice to finally have a natural FS and Landry is the better playmaker imo.

real
03-26-2007, 12:13 PM
Landry. He's a more DEFINITE FS.

Even though Nelson is probably better in coverage I think it would be nice to finally have a natural FS and Landry is the better playmaker imo.

I think your observations are backward but hey, everyone's entitled to an opinion.

Ole Miss Texan
03-26-2007, 12:13 PM
Either player I would be happy with and both are going to be great FS's in the NFL.

I'd take landry over nelson. I actually like him for this defense better than nelson. Good in coverage (nelson better), Great tackler (better than nelson), good leader, 4 years of experience in the SEC, plays very fast in pads, hides the blitz very well and can be used up on the line against a slot receiver, stop the run, and blitzing the qb.

I think he's an all around more complete player. brings consistency.

real
03-26-2007, 12:21 PM
I might get flamed for this but oh well...



When I see Landry, he always has a blank expression on his face like a drone...I know that you can't use that as a judge for how a football player will play, but I see Landry as a what you see is what you get player. I don't see him as the type of player that's going to make big plays...I see him as the type of player that can capatalize on the other teams mistakes because for the most part he's going to be in the right place. I don't see him as the type of player like an Ed Redd that will take chances in order to make big plays....And his "blitzing skills" don't impress me...How many times did we blitz C.C last year ? 3? 4?...I can only remember one time honestly....

I see Nelson as having more of a natural feel for the position. I see him as the type of player that will jump routes and take chances in order to make game changing turnovers...No he's not going to come up and smack a Jamal Lewis type back in the mouth, but I'm not sure that's really all that important for us to have a FS capable of doing that. The way our team plays I think it'd be much more valuable to have a guy in the secondary that opposing QB's have to worry about all over the secondary.

kastofsna
03-26-2007, 12:22 PM
fun post here:
Here's a question for you. What safeties in the NFL would you trade the #9 pick in the draft for? Give a yay or nay to the following:

Ed Reed
Troy Polamalu
Sean Taylor
Donte Whitner
Roy Williams
Sean Jones
Kerry Rhodes
Bob Sanders
Chris Hope
Brian Dawkins
John Lynch
Adrian Wilson
Michael Huff

I ask because these are your best safeties in the NFL, at the moment. And honestly? There is only ONE guy on that list I would consider trading a #9 pick for and that is Ed Reed.

And you know what's funny about that? Even Baltimore didn't know they were drafting Ed Reed when they drafted Ed Reed. They got him at pick #24 in the draft. And you know one thing about Ed Reed? He ain't that fast. He barely cracked a 4.57, at 5'11" and 201 pounds.

I think the NFL is going through a bit of a phase right now with fast safeties. Everyone are in love with these super fast safeties, love the idea of guys that have such big range that they can paint that center field. Hey, we fell for it too. We got Jason Allen. You know what the thing about that is?

Forgetting a classic rule of football personnel. The closer you get to the middle of the hash marks, the less important speed is in the priority chain. If you want a rangey centerfielder, you can get one and you don't need to spend a #9 pick. If you want a power packin playmaker at centerfielder, you go find that power packin playmaker, and stop worrying so much about 4.3 speed.

And to me, that power packin playmaker at centerfield has been Reggie Nelson...since halfway into the college season. He's the intimidator, he's the guy that makes all the plays on the ball. I guess it's a bonus that he's got some range on him, but I wouldn't really mind if he ran a 4.5 or so.

So why are we talking about paying a top 10 pick for Landry? Because he ran a 4.3? On the field, you can give me Brandon Merriweather or Reggie Nelson as easily as you give me LaRon Landry. Am I so very positive that Landry's going to be the next Ed Reed and not those guys? Answer is no. So why the top 10 for Landry when you can get the other dudes much later?

Overall, the only time I'd ever suggest the use of a top 15 pick on a safety...would be if the rest of the prospects just pretty much suck.

rollinstone18
03-26-2007, 12:40 PM
Nelson seems to be more of a centerfielder than Landry and that's what we need from our FS.

HuttoKarl
03-26-2007, 12:46 PM
whoever's available?

BuffSoldier
03-26-2007, 02:16 PM
Landry hands down. He's bigger, just as fast if not faster as shown at the combine, great hitter, he can come into the box and play the run as well as blitz and is very good in coverage. The thing that most people see in Nelson is his risk/reward playing style. He is more aggressive in attacking the ball for picks, but he will also bite on pumpfakes and playaction more often. I would rather the player that has 4 INTs on the season and is only out of position say 8 times in a season then the one who has 7 INTs but gets beat deep 15 times.

Bubbajwp
03-26-2007, 02:22 PM
Landry doesnt play to his timed speed. IMO

Nelson does. IMO most of the people on this board overrate Landry's pass coverage and underrate Nelson against the run and blitzing.

real
03-26-2007, 02:24 PM
Landry doesnt play to his timed speed. IMO

Nelson does. IMO most of the people on this board overrate Landry's pass coverage and underrate Nelson against the run and blitzing.

I agree with this 100%.

kastofsna
03-26-2007, 02:25 PM
timed speed doesn't even matter that much with safeties...i've never seen a guy get to the ball as fast in college as sean taylor. runs a 4.5. go figure.

Ole Miss Texan
03-26-2007, 02:26 PM
I like seeing Landry against the run and blitzing... if he is pretty darn good at that, don't you think smith would have him doing that more than CC brown how isn't as good as landry?

and in Nelson's defense, he didn't have a good timing at the combine but ran very well at his pro day..same as landry so he's not any slower (i don't know about their playing time though) see i am unbiased..lol

kast-good list of the safeties and who we'd 'trade for'. It'd be interesting if you did that for other positions like DE, DT, LB, CB..etc.

Bubbajwp
03-26-2007, 02:32 PM
Let the SS and LB's do the blitzing and stop the run. Let the FS cover the top and make plays.

real
03-26-2007, 02:34 PM
Let the SS and LB's do the blitzing and stop the run. Let the FS cover the top and make plays.

Exactly.

I don't want my FS regularly in the box playing the run.

I want my FS to be great in pass coverage.

Ole Miss Texan
03-26-2007, 02:37 PM
Let the SS and LB's do the blitzing and stop the run. Let the FS cover the top and make plays.

Exactly.

I don't want my FS regularly in the box playing the run.

I want my FS to be great in pass coverage.

Those are both good points. At this point it seems our CB's and S's do a lot more tackling than they should. But our team is getting better and hopefully that will mean each player can just worry about their position and not make up for other's mistakes all the time. lol

htownfoozball
03-26-2007, 02:50 PM
Landry. Our defense overall sucks, both against the pass and against the run. Landry may not be as good as a roaming centerfielder, but he's still very good in coverage and much better against the run. He's also a better tackler than Nelson. I don't think I've ever seen Nelson actually wrap up a tackle. He always tackles with his shoulder/body/helpmet. While Nelson is an elite centerfielder, he's not an elite overall safety. Landry is the better all around safety (although he might not be elite in any one area) and I think his overall skillset fills more holes in our defense.

However, I have no problem taking either player if we are dead set on taking a safety, because only one of them will be at #10.

leachmtb
03-26-2007, 02:52 PM
Exactly.

I don't want my FS regularly in the box playing the run.

I want my FS to be great in pass coverage.

One of my best friends was the starting SS while at Vanderbilt, and was one of the more athletic guys on the team. But, no one ever really saw how good he was because the FS couldn't really get deep. So, he wouldn't gamble on anything and would oftentimes have to run people down.

I think that Earl probably doesn't look as good right now, because he can't take as many chances with CC not being able to cover behind him. I agree. I think that a good FS will show that Earl is a lot better than he has been playing, and we'll begin to see more of his big hits like against (I think it was the giants, possibly Titans, but not sure). But, I am often wrong. But, IMO, Nelson would make the defense stronger as a whole, because I think he would make Earl better.

real
03-26-2007, 02:52 PM
I'll go out on a limb and say Nelson will definitely be the better safety in the NFL.

real
03-26-2007, 02:54 PM
But, IMO, Nelson would make the defense stronger as a whole, because I think he would make Earl better.

I never thought about the direct impact he'd have on Earl, but I tend to agree....

I always pictured how much better he'd make our corners...

redkoolaid
03-26-2007, 03:00 PM
I'll go out on a limb and say Nelson will definitely be the better safety in the NFL.

I agree..100%...

Why are people knocking Nelsons speed?..he pulled a Hammy during the combine, which contributed to his lackluster 40 time at the combine..

but at the Flordia proday..he turns around and his clocked as low as a 4.2...and as high as a 4.35..

Also, as well as coverage...Nelson is a very good tacker, and a very very hard hitter...

I really think Nelson is going to be a superstar, perrenial probowler..

while I think Landry will simply be a solid starter..

LohaJat112
03-26-2007, 03:17 PM
you know who i am going with....The Eraser=Reggie Nelson. He started for 2 yrs, plays from end to end, and has great true game speed. I love the kid. Def reggie!

LohaJat112
03-26-2007, 03:17 PM
btw, reggie is the next ed reed.

Ole Miss Texan
03-26-2007, 03:22 PM
I really wish the draft just finished and we'd just draft somebody alread. I'm going to have a hard time waiting another month!!

Janus3
03-26-2007, 05:50 PM
nelson, no questions. the guys hits hard and is fast.

Janus3
03-26-2007, 05:50 PM
btw, reggie is the next ed reed.


that is a fact, glad someone else sees it.

Smokedawg
03-26-2007, 06:32 PM
I'll go out on a limb and say Nelson will definitely be the better safety in the NFL.

Im sorry i dont see it, i think Nelson was just an over-achiever. Wait and see
The thing about Landry is their isnt any other FS like him (or SS for some of you) He plays hard and every play, I dont know where everyone gets he isnt game fast. How many games have yall actually watched of him? He flies to the ball, like i said before he chased down devin hester from behind, how is that not fast.

And he has the most important thing INSTINCTS, you cant say that about Nelson cuz he only played 1 year compared to 4.

it really doesnt matter cuz Landry will be gone by the time we draft.

jvaldez1984
03-26-2007, 06:42 PM
Landry hands down. Aside from his speed and how hard he hits. Have you seen him ever miss a tackle? I've watched several LSU games and he doesnt miss tackles. Thats what we need in our secondary.

TFL
03-26-2007, 06:44 PM
nelson, no questions. the guys hits hard and is fast.

That could be said about Landry also, but it does ot matter to me which one they draft or if they don't draft either. I just want the player who will help this org. the most whoever it might be.

Champ
03-26-2007, 06:54 PM
Landry > Nelson but just about every scouting service. Guy is a four year starter it's a mute point though cause I doubt he will be there when the Texans pick.

I like Nelson alot too but I don't know if you burn a top 10 pick on a guy who had one good year. Can't deny his game film though guy is a player, I think he needs to bulk up some for the NFL Landry is already there.

joedinkle
03-26-2007, 09:39 PM
If I were to guess based on what Coach K has said, it would be Nelson. Kubiak keeps saying we need play makers, and that's what Nelson is. Landry is the safe pick. Sure. But he will not take risk to make the big play. Reggie Nelson will. My pick is Nelson

Ole Miss Texan
03-26-2007, 09:45 PM
If I were to guess based on what Coach K has said, it would be Nelson. Kubiak keeps saying we need play makers, and that's what Nelson is. Landry is the safe pick. Sure. But he will not take risk to make the big play. Reggie Nelson will. My pick is Nelson

Landry is a playmaker. He is very aggressive and some scouts view this as a weakness. people are gettin a very bad misconception on landry if they think otherwise. It's dangerous when comparing two players to say nelson is a bigger playmaker therefore landry is not one.

Landry is aggressive and a playmaker. Please don't think otherwise...and please watch some games of his.

kastofsna
03-26-2007, 09:49 PM
both are playmakers. but nelson is just more of a ballhawk. simple as that.

Ole Miss Texan
03-26-2007, 09:54 PM
both are playmakers. but nelson is just more of a ballhawk. simple as that.

hopefully that will clear it up thanks Kast..lol

Landry = Red Apple
Nelson = Green Apple

Fact: All Green Apples are playmakers.

That doesn't mean that a Red apple cant be!

lol sorry guys this is by far the craziest thing i've ever posted...gimme some neg. rep! lol i'm just eating an apple and thought it was funny.

yourfavoritetexan42
03-26-2007, 10:26 PM
Amobi Okoye... but he isnt in this topic... so here is mine:

Reggie Nelson.

He played on a championship defense, and has better cover skills. Landry is almost more fit for a strong safety position while nelson is more of a free safety. Nelson will give you more of an ed reed type player while landry will give you a Roy Williams. Glenn Earl is already not bad about coming up on the run and staying honest in the backfield, we need a ball hawk and a good cover guy, that is what nelson's strengths are, which should be the strength's of a free safety.

Bubbajwp
03-26-2007, 10:32 PM
hopefully that will clear it up thanks Kast..lol

Landry = Red Apple
Nelson = Green Apple

Fact: All Red Apples are good against the run and blitzing.

That doesn't mean that a Green apple cant be!

lol sorry guys this is by far the craziest thing i've ever posted...gimme some neg. rep! lol i'm just eating an apple and thought it was funny.

There I fixed it for you. LOL sorry I couldnt resist.

Ole Miss Texan
03-26-2007, 10:33 PM
There I fixed it for you. LOL sorry I couldnt resist.

lol nice one bubba....

Bubbajwp
03-26-2007, 10:44 PM
Im sorry i dont see it, i think Nelson was just an over-achiever. Wait and see
The thing about Landry is their isnt any other FS like him (or SS for some of you) He plays hard and every play, I dont know where everyone gets he isnt game fast. How many games have yall actually watched of him? He flies to the ball, like i said before he chased down devin hester from behind, how is that not fast.

And he has the most important thing INSTINCTS, you cant say that about Nelson cuz he only played 1 year compared to 4.

it really doesnt matter cuz Landry will be gone by the time we draft.

Chasing someone down from behind is more timed speed. IMO game speed is more quickness and instincts. Not saying Landry doesnt have good instincts im just saying their overrated.

I dont understand how Nelson doesnt have good instincts because he only played 1 year. He actually played in 11 games and started 4 in 05.

Also in 2005 when Reggie Nelson was known as predator he had 4 sacks in only 4 starts. The most Laron Landry ever had in a season was 3.5.

I would rather have Reggie nelson. But I would be happy with either of them.

trutxn
03-26-2007, 11:01 PM
Nelson is good, but not as Okoye or Landry would be @ 10.

Bubbajwp
03-26-2007, 11:04 PM
Cant argue against Okoy one bit.

trutxn
03-26-2007, 11:07 PM
Cant argue against Okoye one bit.

Especially playing next to Mario! Teams would have to game plan against our d-line. Especially if Kubes can light a fire under TJ's $$$.

Ole Miss Texan
03-26-2007, 11:13 PM
Especially playing next to Mario! Teams would have to game plan against our d-line. Especially if Kubes can light a fire under TJ's $$$.

That would be an awesome D-Line.

Mario and Okoye..givens
if TJ cracks his shell and plays better (mario/okoye would help)
then weaver on the other side w/ babin coming in...that would be a great d-line.

Ole Miss Texan
03-26-2007, 11:21 PM
Here is a question that probably doesn't belong here but I don't want to start a completely different thread.

We have constantly been criticized by the media...and i can see why...mainly because of the 1st overall pick. but if we want to look at some mistakes..look at oakland!?

Nothing against Michael Huff but oakland passed on Matt Leinart and Jay Cutler. I'm sorry but it was pretty darn obvious aaron brooks wasnt their savior...did they think walter? was their future? but Leinart would have been the perfect pick.

now if they had picked him they may or may not have ended up w/ the 1st overall pick this year..probably not but think if they did. Then they could easily pick calvin johnson at 1...WOW. Robert Gallery has pretty much been a bust and didn't the move him to RT cuz hes better there anyways? thats perfect for leinart...who now would have CJ to throw to...they could still trade moss if they wanted. Then w/ the 1st pick in the 2nd round they could grab Brandon Meriweather if he was there.

Is it just me or is that hindsight 20/20 pretty good lookin!? leinart/johnson/meriweather...

htownfoozball
03-27-2007, 01:44 AM
i think most people see nelson as the big playmaker and landry as more of a stopper.

i still think nelson is a little too one dimensional and needs to work on proper tackling technique. he's got terrible technique against the run, and missed 2 touchdown tackles in the championship game.

it's not like landry sucks in coverage. he's played both safety and corner at LSU before.

if you want interceptions and the occasional touchdown due to a missed tackle, go for nelson.

if you want someone who can stop the run and stop the pass, but maybe wont rack up the interceptions, go for landry. if anybody gets passed demeco, landry is gonna be there to stop him. landry is gonna take alot of pressure off dunta and whoever our other CB is because they won't be asked to come up to the line as much because landry can do everything.

Bubbajwp
03-27-2007, 06:27 AM
i think most people see nelson as the big playmaker and landry as more of a stopper.

i still think nelson is a little too one dimensional and needs to work on proper tackling technique. he's got terrible technique against the run, and missed 2 touchdown tackles in the championship game.

it's not like landry sucks in coverage. he's played both safety and corner at LSU before.

if you want interceptions and the occasional touchdown due to a missed tackle, go for nelson.

if you want someone who can stop the run and stop the pass, but maybe wont rack up the interceptions, go for landry. if anybody gets passed demeco, landry is gonna be there to stop him. landry is gonna take alot of pressure off dunta and whoever our other CB is because they won't be asked to come up to the line as much because landry can do everything.

If you have a centerfield type FS (Reggie Nelson) then you can bring your SS up to the line and let him do what he is supposed to do . Why do you want to bring your FS to the line and keep your SS back in coverage. Doesnt make sense to me.

keyfro
03-27-2007, 08:04 AM
landry is the best DB in the draft...nelson isn't that close of a second either...with nelson being so skinny you can't expect him to really help in the running game with a big RB...landry you can

if landry is there at 10 i'm probably not trading down...but if he's not i'm definetly trading down unless a guy i thought would go in the first 5 picks is still on the board

Bubbajwp
03-27-2007, 10:28 AM
landry is the best DB in the draft...nelson isn't that close of a second either...with nelson being so skinny you can't expect him to really help in the running game with a big RB...landry you can

if landry is there at 10 i'm probably not trading down...but if he's not i'm definetly trading down unless a guy i thought would go in the first 5 picks is still on the board

Last year people said Demeco was to small.

Bubbajwp
03-27-2007, 10:29 AM
landry is the best DB in the draft...nelson isn't that close of a second either...with nelson being so skinny you can't expect him to really help in the running game with a big RB...landry you can

if landry is there at 10 i'm probably not trading down...but if he's not i'm definetly trading down unless a guy i thought would go in the first 5 picks is still on the board

Also I think pretty much everybody on here thinks Drob is good against the run how big is he.

Bubbajwp
03-27-2007, 10:30 AM
landry is the best DB in the draft...nelson isn't that close of a second either...with nelson being so skinny you can't expect him to really help in the running game with a big RB...landry you can

if landry is there at 10 i'm probably not trading down...but if he's not i'm definetly trading down unless a guy i thought would go in the first 5 picks is still on the board

Also if we are relying on our FS to stop the run we have a big problem.

playa465
03-27-2007, 12:48 PM
Landry > Nelson at this point...Landry is the more polished product who is a 4yr star from a school known for its defense. In Nelson you have a talented firecracker who starred for 1 out 2 yrs at Fla. The defensive scheme at Fla also allows for more freelance from its players...while LSU's defense is more discipline in nature and you know what you will get in their players...Nelson may turn out to be the next Ed Reed but for now Landry is the better prospect.

Bubbajwp
03-27-2007, 01:13 PM
Landry > Nelson at this point...Landry is the more polished product who is a 4yr star from a school known for its defense. In Nelson you have a talented firecracker who starred for 1 out 2 yrs at Fla. The defensive scheme at Fla also allows for more freelance from its players...while LSU's defense is more discipline in nature and you know what you will get in their players...Nelson may turn out to be the next Ed Reed but for now Landry is the better prospect.

Id rather call is safer pick. Not better prospect.

Meloy
03-27-2007, 01:13 PM
ok, my read is both would serve us well. I look at the D as we know it right now and I see a more solid line and a better, deeper corps of linebackers. That should shut down the run. With only one CB (drob) and some nickles, our weakness is on the passing downs. Having said that, imo we go with the free safety that can make a play to shut down the long ball. That seems to be Nelson. Our SS will also help shut down the run.

htownfoozball
03-27-2007, 01:53 PM
Also I think pretty much everybody on here thinks Drob is good against the run how big is he.

drob also wraps up when he tackles. same with demeco. cant say that for nelson.

Bubbajwp
03-27-2007, 02:00 PM
drob also wraps up when he tackles. same with demeco. cant say that for nelson.

I promise you he is a better tackler than most of you give him credit for.