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Dante's Inferno
10-25-2004, 11:06 PM
Note: Yes, these are my opinions combined with factual evidence. I am very willing to discuss anything and will take all posts seriously (unless blatently stupid). If you feel the need to argue, do so.

Offense vs. Offense: The Jaguars offense certaintly has looked good these last few weeks, especially upcoming QB Byron Leftwich. With his last four games now of nearly 300 or more (one game of 298), he's been nominated for Player Of The Week twice and been givin Chris' game ball once. He appears to have hit his stride and is currently dominating. On the other side, we have David Carr, another apparently up and coming quarterback with the ability to move the football. Face it, the man ain't bad. However, the question has even been raised by Texan fans on this board, "Which is the better quarterback?" My opinion is that Byron Leftwich is the better of the two. When it comes to running back, however, the players don't quite match up so well. Fred Taylor, a pick for future Hall of Famer and easily a Top 10 rusher in today's NFL, has, although getting off to a slow(ish) start, still has 501 yards with an average of 4.1 YPC. On Houston's side, all three rushers have been effective, but have a poor YPC and that puts more pressure on Carr. The recieving corps match up evenly, squarely, and perfectly. My edge goes to Jacksonville.

Defense vs. Defense: Although the Jacksonville defense has the edge in run-stuffing, the Texans have a better pass rush. If the Jaguars don't find a way to step it up against the pass (like they did against the Colts), we could be in for a long game. Really, both teams have their advantages and disadvantages on defense, so it's a tie. However, I will tell you this, if the Texans' defense does not pressure Leftwich, he has the ability to go down the field and murder them. Edge, noone.

Special Teams: Kris Brown and Scobee are pretty evenly matched, so no contest there. Hanson has a small advantage over Stanley, but nothing to write home about. Again, the Jaguars punt returner has a slight edge over the Texans but this too is nothing to be excited about. Neither special teams has been great or bad. They've both just been playing good solid games. Edge, noone.

Coaching: Sorry everyone, but I think Jack Del Rio has an advantage in this category. Capers is an OK coach but I like Del Rio's aggressive play calling ans just his coaching in general more than I do Capers. For example, no offense, but I doubt Capers would have challenged the Harrison touchdown in the Dolts game. Edge, Jacksonville

Overall: Right now, the Jaguars seem to have everything going for them, but is it all smoke and mirrors? Personally, I think not and, while the Texans are a good team getting better (the Jaguars and Texans will soon run the AFC South), I still see a Jacksonville victory the Jacksonville way: keep the score close, win late. Jaguars 21-17.

TsJagman
10-25-2004, 11:15 PM
Seeings how I am a Jag fan, and a homer, but not stupid. I give the secondary a huge advantage. Give the defense the advantage.

texan279
10-25-2004, 11:23 PM
Which defense the advantage?

wags
10-25-2004, 11:37 PM
I'm going to disagree with you on the offensive comparison. The Texans are averaging 359.8 yards of offense, while the Jags average 326.1 yards. We are averaging 33 yards more a game than the Jags. In terms of total offense, not player vs player, I think the Texans have the advantage.
As for Carr vs Leftwich: Carr has a higher passer rating than Leftwich, and averages 36 more passing yards than Leftwich. So there is ammo to argue that Carr is having a better year than Leftwich. They are both having good years though.

Fiddy
10-25-2004, 11:37 PM
Offense vs. Offense: The Jaguars offense certaintly has looked good these last few weeks, especially upcoming QB Byron Leftwich. With his last four games now of nearly 300 or more (one game of 298), he's been nominated for Player Of The Week twice and been givin Chris' game ball once. He appears to have hit his stride and is currently dominating. On the other side, we have David Carr, another apparently up and coming quarterback with the ability to move the football. Face it, the man ain't bad. However, the question has even been raised by Texan fans on this board, "Which is the better quarterback?" My opinion is that Byron Leftwich is the better of the two. When it comes to running back, however, the players don't quite match up so well. Fred Taylor, a pick for future Hall of Famer and easily a Top 10 rusher in today's NFL, has, although getting off to a slow(ish) start, still has 501 yards with an average of 4.1 YPC. On Houston's side, all three rushers have been effective, but have a poor YPC and that puts more pressure on Carr. The recieving corps match up evenly, squarely, and perfectly. My edge goes to Jacksonville. That makes perfect sense saying that the Jags have scored 122 points in 7 games while the Texans have scored 138 points in 6 games. And the Texans have averaged 359.8 yards per game while the Jags have averaged 362.1. And it makes even more sense when you think about how the WR Corps of the Texans is their strong suit on offense while the Jags weakness on defense is their secondary...

Coaching: Sorry everyone, but I think Jack Del Rio has an advantage in this category. Capers is an OK coach but I like Del Rio's aggressive play calling ans just his coaching in general more than I do Capers. For example, no offense, but I doubt Capers would have challenged the Harrison touchdown in the Dolts game. Edge, JacksonvilleWas the leap over the top last year from the one yard line with no time left conservative???

Capers would of challenged that call, he challenges calls that dont get overturned, he would of challenged that...

Overall: Right now, the Jaguars seem to have everything going for them, but is it all smoke and mirrors? Personally, I think not and, while the Texans are a good team getting better (the Jaguars and Texans will soon run the AFC South), I still see a Jacksonville victory the Jacksonville way: keep the score close, win late. Jaguars 21-17.Is it forgotten that the Texans have had a couple of last second wins this year: Against the Chiefs and the Titans. If it werent for 4 Davis turnovers in the first 2 games, we could easily be 5-1 (but we are not).

TexansTrueFan
10-25-2004, 11:41 PM
good job fiddy u tell them how it is,,,yeah what ^^^ He said !!!!

Grid
10-26-2004, 12:11 AM
wow.. ok lemme take a stab at this


OFFENSE

Our offense is better. We average more yards per game. Carr is averaging 273 yards per game, including his bad games this year.. and he has had a couple. he has been hitting the 300yrd mark as well. Carr's QB rating is almost 100 and Leftwhich is barely 90.

your running game is better.

your receivers are not even close. Jimmy Smith is two slots above AJ on the stats sheet right now.. he has played 7 games and AJ has played 6 and he is STILL 10 yards behind AJ. AJ would be ranked even higher if we hadnt tried lining him up in the slot at the Tennessee game. Jabar Gaffney and Derrick Armstrong are both VERY solid WRs that are on par with your #1 and #2 guy I would say.. and they are #3 and #4 :P. Corey Bradford is a legit deep threat, but thats about it.. he is probably the weak link in our receiving corps.. but only because our other 3 guys are so good. No, we have you beat in the receiving corps. maybe if you had someone who could do what Andre Johnson does. Geez.. I understand you said this is your opinion but that was just a homer comment.


DEFENSE

I will agree with you. Personally I think the Jags have a slight edge, but we have been playing better every week and I think we can match up with the Jags defense this sunday.


SPECIAL TEAMS

Agree


COACHING

hm.. no I dont agree. I call this even. Remember last year when we won the game? 4th and inches.. Carr leaped over the pack for the touchdown? Gutsy calls are not something that only Del Rio does.. and while Capers/Palmers offensive strategy is sometimes suspect. Defensively.. we have more stuff we can throw at you than you realize. Fangio and Capers are geniuses of the 3-4 defense and have started to really show it the last couple games.

I call this one even.. I think Capers has the better resume, but Del Rio has more wins this season.. so it all comes out in the wash.


OVERALL

The Texans have the momentum beleive it or not. We are gonna have healthy players, playing in Reliant stadium (do you REALIZE how hard it has been for opponents to play in reliant this year? the offensive line penalties are staggering) on BATTLE RED DAY.. playing the 1st place team in our division, who blew us out last year in our last game against them. Then add in the fact that yall just beat the colts, and there are going to be SOME players in your locker room that are looking past us after that win.

I give the Texans the Edge. 27 to 13

TsJagman
10-26-2004, 12:21 AM
Which defense the advantage?
Sorry, Texans get the advantage.

Jagsbch
10-26-2004, 09:41 AM
your team is good on offense, but you wont be able to get those 65yd completions to jimmy smith on us with dunta or aaron on him, and then the others.....reggie williams may be a 70rec wr next year but so far this year has been outplayed by yalls what? 7th round pick who ran like a 4.8 in the 40 wilford. though has good size at 6.4. if we can get pressure on lefty, then there is no chance he is going over 300, not 200..

Ernest was aquired in the 4th round, via a trade with the Ravens.

I don't care who is covering him, all I have to say is you are going to have to put more than one CB on Jimmy to keep him from cranking out those 65 yard grabs. Fact is neither your ol timer or the rookie will be able to manage Jimmy alone. Capers I am sure is well aware of this. So while the defense tied up in double coverage the whole game with Jimmy, Byron will pick away at the rest of your defense with the other 9 receivers he has been averaging the past 4 games.

This offense is getting better by the week, and to add to the assault there's our running game that is just getting off the ground thanks to the return of Kyle Brady. Bragging about trying to stop a QB who is on fire to less than 200 yards is Asinine. 15 straight completions in the first half last week, Byron beat Marks record by 4. Your defense is going to be in a world of trouble, after Byron quiets down the crowd early in the game. :boxing:

JDizzle
10-26-2004, 09:50 AM
Sorry, Texans get the advantage.

Only because we are playing in Reliant.

Jagsbch
10-26-2004, 09:59 AM
Which defense the advantage?


Sorry, Texans get the advantage.

Only because we are playing in Reliant.

Are you guys out of your cotton picking minds? :crazy: Jaguars have a much better defense. There's a new Sheriff in the south and his name is Jack Del Rio~!! :slap:



The Jag front line is definetly a problem. HUGE!! Stroud is one scary hombre.

Ever hear of John Henderson? :cool:

Hervoyel
10-26-2004, 10:12 AM
I think it's a very high compliment to the Jags that the Texans fans feel that slipping a win in against them will be some form of "statement" and to a lesser degree it works the same way to the Texans as well. If Jacksonville wins then they've established a clear separation from the Texans and if the Texans win they've climbed above .500 against a division opponent with a winning record no less.

Setting aside the "Our QB is better than yours!" for a moment (but go right back to it as soon as this post is over by all means) isn't it cool that a Texans-Jags game means something more than "we're not finishing in 4th place this year"?

Everyone take about 5 minutes to collectively enjoy the sight of a 2-5 Titans team and the Colts going down to the Jags. This is what both of us (Texans and Jags fans) have been waiting for. Tide's starting to turn in the division.

Congrats on your win against the Colts and get ready for some good football this weekend. I think it's going to be pretty darned close. You guys are the 2004 "Cardiac Kids" and I think the Texans, less a couple of bad performances to start the season (totally out of character for us too) are right there in the same neighborhood.

Can't wait for Sunday.

Jagsbch
10-26-2004, 10:17 AM
Do the Texans have a bigger game this year than this?

Hervoyel
10-26-2004, 10:32 AM
Oh yeah, pretty much every week of this season (except this week of course). Don't take that the wrong way but seriously, when you're coming from 4-12, and then 5-11 and trying to move up in the world I think that they're pretty much all big games. I'm sure the Jags feel similar to this.

This season we want to beat the Titans and Colts (One game down, three more of those to go) because we've yet to do that. Those games are obviously big games because you measure your improvement by them. At the very same time we want to at least win one against the Jaguars. That's important because on your way as you improve you want to at least keep pace with the other improving team. Then of course every team on the schedule with a winning record is another opportunity to demonstrate that we "belong" among the good teams.

So yeah, this season is full of big games for the Texans (just like it is for the Jaguars I don't doubt).

Joe Texan
10-26-2004, 10:51 AM
Your defense is going to be in a world of trouble, after Byron quiets down the crowd early in the game


:pickle: Oh no my knees are shaking, no thier not.


Bring it on, Test the teacher or the pupil, same results: Interception

And Reliant is twice as loud with half the people, we never shut up during the game, unless David Carr is performing his magic. :popcorn:

Grid
10-26-2004, 11:04 AM
I dunno.. the "biggest game of the season" usually comes 3 or 4 times a year :). Right now.. yah this game seems huge.. cause if we win this one, and the next one.. we have pretty much set the tempo to march ourselves right into the playoffs.. since the games coming after that we have a good chance of winning more than we lose.

But then if we lose this one.. the next game will be the biggest of the season.. and if we lose that one.. the one after that will be huge cause we will be trying to salvage our record.. etc..etc..etc..etc..etc.. it goes on and on :).. the only team in the NFL that DOESNT have a huge game every week are the teams like the Eagles and Pats who could sleep their way into the playoffs this year.

profan
10-26-2004, 11:06 AM
Several disagreements here. I would rate Carr and Leftwich even. Houston has the best receivers and Jags best back. Offense goes to Houston.

Houston has been great against the run and has given up lots of yards. Jacksonville has held scoring down. Edge - Jags

Special Teams - even

Coaching - Capers has brough team along well and most likely would have challenged the call. There's someone these watching these plays and it is my opinion that they would have told Capers as soon as the foot was out of bounds. No big challenge. Capers will take chances as evidenced by out last play win. Two different types of coaches, but similar results. Even

Homefield: Both teams should be favored on their home home field.

Bottom line is both of these games could go either way. Just depends on whose playing the best that day. I'm putting my money on the Texans at home. But not all of my money!

SBTexans08
10-26-2004, 11:30 AM
This will definitely be the toughest games we've played thus far. If we win...things will look good for us. If we don't but still somehow make the playoffs, we're going down quick as soon as we take on a more balanced team like the Jags. This is a huge game......very indicative of how we fair with solid opponents!

Grid
10-26-2004, 11:33 AM
eh..i dunno.. the colts have made it deep into the playoffs plenty of times and their offense is comparable to ours.. and defense is worse than ours.

If Davis gets back into his old groove.. and we continue to use our passing game well.. and our defense continues to improve.. AND we win games like this sundays.. we could go deep into the playoffs.. not going to say more than that cause i dont want to jinx us.. heck.. saying we are going into the playoffs might jinx us... ack!

TsJagman
10-26-2004, 03:25 PM
eh..i dunno.. the colts have made it deep into the playoffs plenty of times and their offense is comparable to ours.. and defense is worse than ours.

If Davis gets back into his old groove.. and we continue to use our passing game well.. and our defense continues to improve.. AND we win games like this sundays.. we could go deep into the playoffs.. not going to say more than that cause i dont want to jinx us.. heck.. saying we are going into the playoffs might jinx us... ack!

Not to start an arguement, but, your offense is only compared to the colts by your fans. Straight up, outside of St Louis, no one, not even the Vikes, have an offense that compares to the Colts. They do it week in and week out. They don't show up when they want to, they are their each week. Ready to put up big numbers.

If Davis gets back into his old groove, there would be no reason to throw the ball. The only reason why you have a passing game, is because Carr is having to carry, which is ok, the texans. If Davis was healthy, Capers would be playing smash mouth football.

texansfan88
10-26-2004, 05:03 PM
The Jag front line is definetly a problem. HUGE!! Stroud is one scary hombre.

The only way to beat this is for Carr to hold his water and trust the O-line. Scary thought...scary!

After that I think we are very much toe-to-toe on all positions. Thankfully our pass defense is not as bad as the Colts D. We will stand our ground and Sharper will sniff the dump passes to the RB.

IN oUR HOUSE!!! WE wear battle red. Anything can happen....gonna be laud. There could be a 3 way tie for the devision if we beat the Jags. As I said, the colts dirty little secret was exposed!

yeah, stroud looked really scary last year on the 4th and 1 play to win the game last time he visited reliant

texansfan88
10-26-2004, 05:05 PM
I hope someone takes josh scobees head off...what a jerk that guy was in indy...

Keep chopping away Jag fans! Chop Chop Chop Crack OWWWWWWWWW

chuckm
10-26-2004, 05:19 PM
I hope someone takes josh scobees head off...what a jerk that guy was in indy...

Keep chopping away Jag fans! Chop Chop Chop Crack OWWWWWWWWW



yep I agree .... I couldn't help thinking about the scene at the end of Jerry McGuire where Cuba Gooding lays there like he's dead then jumps up and struts around ..... lol: where's Buddy Ryan when you need him?

TsJagman
10-26-2004, 05:41 PM
texansfan88 I hope someone takes josh scobees head off...what a jerk that guy was in indy...

Keep chopping away Jag fans! Chop Chop Chop Crack OWWWWWWWWW
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chuckm Quote:
Originally Posted by texansfan88
I hope someone takes josh scobees head off...what a jerk that guy was in indy...

Keep chopping away Jag fans! Chop Chop Chop Crack OWWWWWWWWW




yep I agree .... I couldn't help thinking about the scene at the end of Jerry McGuire where Cuba Gooding lays there like he's dead then jumps up and struts around ..... where's Buddy Ryan when you need him?
Dumber.

By the way, they don't chop wood, it's all about the q-tips.

longhornjag
10-26-2004, 11:50 PM
I can't believe you want to take out a KICKER!!!!!!!! Are you serious!!!! You're that scared of a kicker, and a rookie at that, that you want him injured to get him out of the game. Wow, if you really want that I feel sorry for you. By the way he did get hit and slightly injured on the play and any kicker in the league falls down when he gets even the slightest tap much less a full out shot to the leg. Get over it, he's happy he won the game and showed his emotion. And TsJagman is right, the q-tips have worked much better than chopping wood.

STEEL BLUE TEXANS
10-27-2004, 12:25 AM
i actually thought the Jags kicker was funny, but thats just me i guess.

beerlover
10-27-2004, 03:33 AM
The key to the Texans game plan will be to shut down Fred Taylor & keep the furballs from converting 3rd downs. If the furballs cannot run the ball effectively Left Witch will be forcing the ball into the Texans newly found strength the secondary which should bode well for takeaways.

Offensively we cannot afford turnovers, no fumbling, bumbling nothing. The Texans offense should pick away at the edges, run away from the DT's use sweeps or pitch outs, maybe even a shuttle pass or two ala Harrington, & use that quick out to AJ, can you say automatic, then strike deep, strike hard and strike often (AJ needs the ball thrown his direction at least once on each possession).

Thats an abbreviated breakdown as I see it, but just one more thing don't be tempted to sell your tickets to anyone but a Texan fan if for some unfortunate reason you cannot make the game. We don't need a bunch of furball jaguars in attendance taking up valuable Texans space (remember Steeler fans outnumbering Cowboy fans in Dallas a couple of weeks ago). I would even consider out of the fondess of my heart and love for my team to purchase a couple tickets just to prevent this kind of travesty from occuring. E-mail me, I'll be waiting :cool:

RunninRaven
10-27-2004, 05:22 AM
Yeah, I thought Scobee was funny too...although more in the "Oh look. How cute. He's trying to be a football player!" kind of way than the ha ha way. A quote from Slingblade springs to mind.

And I love the logic that because someone wants the kicker to be taken out do to his tomfoolery last week, this suddenly makes us scared of him. By this logic, since I'm sure Jag fans want the team to take out the Texans in the form of a win, you must all be really scared of the Texans.

Yeah, I thought it sounded really stupid too. Trash talking is all well and good, but it should at least sort of make sense.

Tedc
10-27-2004, 07:04 AM
If Davis gets back into his old groove, there would be no reason to throw the ball. The only reason why you have a passing game, is because Carr is having to carry, which is ok, the texans.

Ever heard of Andre Johnson? If you have that type of weapon, you use it.

Jabarr Gafney?

Corey Bradford?

The secret weapon? (shhhh!)

BTW, Johnathan Wells has filled in nicely at RB with Davis out, so it is not like we have been without a RB.

Grid
10-27-2004, 07:14 AM
The secret weapon? (shhhh!)

Hah!.. we should all start calling him that and never mentioning his name.. until he becomes well known anyway :)

Tayton
10-27-2004, 12:34 PM
Just a thought, but I would like to see the Texans receivers take the DBs deep and see if Hollings can make the corner on the Jags D Line. I'm afraid we might have a tough time running right at them. Anybody know what our running back status is?

Grid
10-27-2004, 12:42 PM
yah I REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY would like to see Hollings in there. He may be the answer to our prayers this year.. if he is healthy.

I dont see anything about him on the injury report.

TheOgre
10-27-2004, 01:34 PM
Dante's Delusional post.

phan1
10-27-2004, 08:17 PM
Ernest was aquired in the 4th round, via a trade with the Ravens.

I don't care who is covering him, all I have to say is you are going to have to put more than one CB on Jimmy to keep him from cranking out those 65 yard grabs. Fact is neither your ol timer or the rookie will be able to manage Jimmy alone. Capers I am sure is well aware of this. So while the defense tied up in double coverage the whole game with Jimmy, Byron will pick away at the rest of your defense with the other 9 receivers he has been averaging the past 4 games.

This offense is getting better by the week, and to add to the assault there's our running game that is just getting off the ground thanks to the return of Kyle Brady. Bragging about trying to stop a QB who is on fire to less than 200 yards is Asinine. 15 straight completions in the first half last week, Byron beat Marks record by 4. Your defense is going to be in a world of trouble, after Byron quiets down the crowd early in the game. :boxing:

Don't forget you were up against one of the worst defenses in the league last week as well. I'm sorry, but our recieving core is way better. You just can't deny that. I could say the exact same thing as you. No one on your team can stop AJ, TRUST ME. You'll double AJ, and we'll pick you off with Armstrong and Gaffney. We have one of the top recieving cores in the league. Top 7 at least.

However, I do believe that we are probably the underdogs coming into this game. Defensively, I'd take a better front 7 than a better secondary (advantage Jags). Plus, I wouldn't be able to argue that Leftwich is a better QB than Carr. Carr has better numbers no doubt, but Byron has more W's. Byron has consistently come up in clutch situations to win games, something that is way more important than stats. I really think Leftwich is the best of the so called "young QBs", with Carr coming in at 2nd. Another reason why we're probably the underdog is that I think our O-line is still crappy. We have no holes for our running game (no way that its because of Davis underperforming), and Carr could be in trouble at any moment in the game. With a better O-line, I would say that it would be even.

When everything is said, as a Texans fan: advantage Jags. Don't worry though, we'll find some way to win! :headbang:

fusionbeats
10-28-2004, 12:16 PM
First of all, I also thought our industrious young kicker was pretty funny last week. Cut him some slack... he's a kicker, and kickers aren't football players.


Second of all, the general consensus among the fans from both sides on this thread is that the two teams are "even" in special teams. I'm not going to announce my own judgement on this because I haven't seen the texans enough to be fair. I will however, say that the Jaguars have achieved a DRASTIC improvement in their kick/punt coverage teams, which has been a HUGE factor in their winning ways. In our game last week, I believe the average starting field position for the Jags was their own 36, as opposed to the 18 for the Colts. This is an often overlooked aspect of the game these days, and with the leagues parity, sometimes field position makes the difference. This ought to be considered in comparing our two teams. How are the coverage teams for the Texans?


All things considered I'm predicting a Jags win, because I think we are continuing to improve... and because we've kinda got the magic right now. I wouldn't be a bit surprised to see the Texans win in a close one, but for now I'm going to say Jags 24 - Texans 16.

infantrycak
10-28-2004, 12:31 PM
The Texans' coverage teams are generally solid with the occasional mishap. Punt coverage has been a non-issue most of the time because our punter gets a huge percentage of fair catches. On returns, I personally think our return blocking needs a ton of work, but JJ Moses does a pretty good job of making the most out of what he is given.

Henderson98
10-28-2004, 08:11 PM
your team is good on offense, but you wont be able to get those 65yd completions to jimmy smith on us with dunta or aaron on him, and then the others.....reggie williams may be a 70rec wr next year but so far this year has been outplayed by yalls what? 7th round pick who ran like a 4.8 in the 40 wilford. though has good size at 6.4. if we can get pressure on lefty, then there is no chance he is going over 300, not 200. ive been impressed with rashean mathis, but he is no samari rolle, no charles woodson, or even eric warfield. but those are just a couple of names that andre has terrorized this year. i know rashean is nervous going through tape this week, and is asking for a big day with the front 4.

Ask Champ Bailey and Samari Rolle about Jimmy getting the long ball... he's 35 yrs old and still makes CB's look like heck... anyway Jimmy is leading the league in receptions over 25 yrds... just accept the fact he will school them just like he has schooled everyone else that has tried to cover him this year... :twocents:

TexansTrueFan
10-28-2004, 08:17 PM
Ask Champ Bailey and Samari Rolle about Jimmy getting the long ball... he's 35 yrs old and still makes CB's look like heck... anyway Jimmy is leading the league in receptions over 25 yrds... just accept the fact he will school them just like he has schooled everyone else that has tried to cover him this year... :twocents:


HAHAHAH school A. Glenn and D. Robinson are you crazy ????????????? ok ok sorry but which of our recievers has more yards this season ? i'll give you a hint it starts with an A and ends with a J you got it yet ?

TexanExile
10-28-2004, 09:16 PM
Jimmy is leading the league in receptions over 25 yrds...

Good stat! I'm glad to see he's leading the league in something other than "games missed due to drug suspensions" this year. Could've been embarrassing if the guy tried to snort up one of the yard lines during the game.

Seriously, Jimmy'll get his catches on Sunday (and I AM actually glad he got his act together). He's a phenomenal talent. But we all should know which QB leads the league in COMPLETIONS of 25+ yards. HINT: It ain't Byron, it ain't Daunte, and it doggone sure ain't Peyote Manning. It's the guy who'll be launching it over Jacksonville's secondary this weekend. :cool:

Henderson98
10-28-2004, 10:43 PM
HAHAHAH school A. Glenn and D. Robinson are you crazy ????????????? ok ok sorry but which of our recievers has more yards this season ? i'll give you a hint it starts with an A and ends with a J you got it yet ?

That's just what the fans of every other team we've played this year has said...


P.S. Just because Jimmy has a better supporting cast of WR's doesn't take anything away from his skills.. Byron has been spreding the ball around a lot, you just never know who will catch the ball next... and talk to me 11 yrs down the road to see if AJ can still put up numbers... Jimmy just moved up to 13 on the all time list... and still has game.. :disco:

TexansTrueFan
10-28-2004, 10:53 PM
Well i guess AJ better start snorting that stuff so he can be as good as Jimmy. Yeah you have a way better cast of recievers like,,,,hmmmm ok ok so i dont know any of their names ! It's not my fault ,,,i mean i'm sure byron will have a few completions of over 25 yards sunday D. Robinson should have a good day catching them for him. We'll see who has the better recieving core on sunday !!! And i always love to say i told ya so

infantrycak
10-29-2004, 08:39 AM
P.S. Just because Jimmy has a better supporting cast of WR's doesn't take anything away from his skills..

Let's see here:

David Carr 6 games: 29 passes 20+ yds and 3 passes 40+ yds
Byron Leftwich 7 games: 19 passes 20+ and 4 passes 40+

Jimmy Smith 7 games: 11 rec 20+ and 3 rec 40+--586 total yards, 3.3 yards after catch, 24 1st downs and 2 TD's
Andre Johnson 6 games: 10 rec 20+ and 2 rec 40+--591 total yards, 8.2 yards after catch, 26 1st downs and 4 TD's

Well looking just at the QB's it would appear pretty inarguable that Carr has been getting it down field more than Leftwich so far this year. As for better supporting cast, Jimmy Smith accounts for 55% of Leftwich's 20+ yard tosses and 75% of his 40+ yard passes. In contrast, AJ while racking up more total yards in fewer games only accounts for 34% of Carr's 20+ yard passes and 66% of his 40+ passes. Seems to me it is obvious that while AJ has out-performed Smith individually his teammates have stepped up and played more of a share of Carr's long ball game than Smith's teammates have for Leftwich.

aj.
10-29-2004, 11:54 AM
every other team we've played this year Yeah, all those "great" defensive secondaries you've faced. Indy twice, Buffalo, KC, SD... <rollseyes>

rittenhouserobz
10-29-2004, 12:04 PM
That's just what the fans of every other team we've played this year has said...


P.S. Just because Jimmy has a better supporting cast of WR's doesn't take anything away from his skills.. Byron has been spreding the ball around a lot, you just never know who will catch the ball next... and talk to me 11 yrs down the road to see if AJ can still put up numbers... Jimmy just moved up to 13 on the all time list... and still has game.. :disco:


Are you sure we should look you up in 11 yrs or could it be 10 or 9 years?

Grid
10-29-2004, 02:04 PM
Nice stats Infantry. betcha money that the jags fans still find some way to "down play" it though :).

So far.. every time ive proved them wrong with factual information.. they have fallen back to "oh yah, well we are 5 and 2"

:)

TsJagman
10-29-2004, 02:30 PM
Good stat! I'm glad to see he's leading the league in something other than "games missed due to drug suspensions" this year. Could've been embarrassing if the guy tried to snort up one of the yard lines during the game.

Seriously, Jimmy'll get his catches on Sunday (and I AM actually glad he got his act together). He's a phenomenal talent. But we all should know which QB leads the league in COMPLETIONS of 25+ yards. HINT: It ain't Byron, it ain't Daunte, and it doggone sure ain't Peyote Manning. It's the guy who'll be launching it over Jacksonville's secondary this weekend. :cool:

Drug suspension, wow, that's funny.

So glad the Texans are starting to field a team, not made up of ex-Jag players. So, how is Wynn and Payne again? Are they still limping, and how is TBo?

By the way, Marc Bulger still plays for St Louis. I found him with 28 complete passes over 25 yards or more. If I am not mistaken, or read the stats wrong, Carr has 21

Oh yeah, Grid, the Jags are 5 and 2, 2 wins at 'loud' stadiums and 3 and 1 on the road. You guys are what, 3 and 3, and 1 and 2 at home? Guess the Jags have the stat that means the most, that would be what, wins and losses

Grid
10-29-2004, 02:37 PM
if the wins and losses column had anything to do with who wins on sunday..then alot of teams would still be undefeated :).. and you wouldnt have beat the colts last sunday.

jacquescas
10-29-2004, 03:07 PM
Which ever QB wins this game will be the Poster Boy for Young QBs.... Houston beats the "darling" Jags and we are half a game out of first.(if KC beats Indy)

Carr and Leftwich have each improved dramtically, i think the Jags have a better team right now, but our offense has a higher cieling than the Jags does.

JustBonee
10-29-2004, 04:25 PM
...a picture is worth a 1000 words ..

http://www.houstontexans.com/mainpage/fpnews_photos/smith_doll_main102804.jpg

TexanExile
10-29-2004, 08:47 PM
By the way, Marc Bulger still plays for St Louis. I found him with 28 complete passes over 25 yards or more. If I am not mistaken, or read the stats wrong, Carr has 21


Thanks for that.

According to the NFL website, Carr has a league-leading 29 of 20+ and 3 of 40+. I think the discrepancy is that those stats are based on 20+, not 25+.

Quoting from an article that was the lead story at www.nfl.com yesterday:
"Carr has a league-best 19 completions of at least 25 yards. He ranks third with a fourth-quarter passer rating of 126.6."
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/7837160

texasguy346
10-30-2004, 01:24 AM
For any fans of EA's NFL Matchup featured on ESPN you might want to check out this week's show. Ron Jaworski (AKA Jaws) will breakdown both Byron Leftwhich and David Carr in regards to the Jags vs Texans matchup.

I watched it, and this is what was covered:
1. Jags defense against the Colts - Hodge thought they were very disciplined.
2. Andre Johnson - Jaws thought he'd be a big threat
3. Texans defense - Jaws felt the Texans would be forced to employ more nickel and dime packages.

kuno
10-30-2004, 08:23 PM
this thread went south fast. Was good until it went the way of "I want your kicker hurt" and "drug suspensions". Why bring this crud up in a conversation that was good instead of some dumb smack thread,

Jagsbch
10-31-2004, 08:43 AM
Jimmy just moved up to 13 on the all time list... and still has game.. :disco:


He did it with Style too. A spectacular TD catch to move ahead of Micheal who was just nominated for the Hall. :thumbup I think he will put on a clinic today. Jimmy is going to be huge today. The guy is simply awesome this forum is about to get schooled in a big way regarding who the man is this season. :hehe:

Vinny
10-31-2004, 10:47 AM
The guy is simply awesome this forum is about to get schooled in a big way regarding who the man is this season. :hehe:A lot of us think Smith is a Hall of Famer or a borderline HOF'er....so there will be a few who are shocked at Smith but not as many as you think.

wags
11-01-2004, 11:29 PM
This offense is getting better by the week, and to add to the assault there's our running game that is just getting off the ground thanks to the return of Kyle Brady. Bragging about trying to stop a QB who is on fire to less than 200 yards is Asinine. 15 straight completions in the first half last week, Byron beat Marks record by 4. Your defense is going to be in a world of trouble, after Byron quiets down the crowd early in the game. :boxing:

Is it wrong that I laugh my a@# off when I read this? :neener: