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aquafin
03-23-2007, 07:01 AM
I am reading that the Dolphins are in serious discussions with Texans about David Carr. Perhaps the Trent Green interest is waning in recent days...maybe recent hours is more appropriate.

Looks like Culpepper is not going to be back with the Dolphins. That's the vibe I'm getting. Take it for what it is worth. We have a GM now in Randy Meuller. He's a number guy and also very rational. He knows it makes no sense to Pay Culpepper 50 million over the next 5 years. I think thus far he and Cameron have been working very well together.

That leaves us with just one QB...Cleo Lemon.

I think we will know something as soon as today, but I think Dolphin/Texans negotians are somewhat "advanced" at this point.

I guess we will go into camp with a Carr/Lemon battle for the starting job, and perhaps we'll draft a QB to have waiting in the wings. Culpepper might end up in Oakland???

The one caveat to all this is that the Dolphins are using the discussions about Carr as a bluff to try to get Trent Green to redo his contract and come to the Dolphins??

Tx'nFanLostInSkinCountry
03-23-2007, 07:09 AM
Some reports I heard was that a deal has been in place for Carr all we where waiting on was the Schaub deal to be finilized, thats done so Carr will more then likely be out of Hou. by the end of next week. He could headed your way we shall see.

And details of the trade on your end?(i.e. whats Hou getting for Carr.)

Mr. White
03-23-2007, 07:33 AM
I'd rather he goes to Miami than Oakland. I think he'd be in another no-win situation in Oakland. (literally and figuratively)

nunusguy
03-23-2007, 07:51 AM
I am reading that the Dolphins are in serious discussions with Texans about David Carr. Perhaps the Trent Green interest is waning in recent days...maybe recent hours is more appropriate.

Looks like Culpepper is not going to be back with the Dolphins. That's the vibe I'm getting. Take it for what it is worth. We have a GM now in Randy Meuller. He's a number guy and also very rational. He knows it makes no sense to Pay Culpepper 50 million over the next 5 years. I think thus far he and Cameron have been working very well together.

That leaves us with just one QB...Cleo Lemon.

I think we will know something as soon as today, but I think Dolphin/Texans negotians are somewhat "advanced" at this point.

I guess we will go into camp with a Carr/Lemon battle for the starting job, and perhaps we'll draft a QB to have waiting in the wings. Culpepper might end up in Oakland???

The one caveat to all this is that the Dolphins are using the discussions about Carr as a bluff to try to get Trent Green to redo his contract and come to the Dolphins??
I dunno why the Dolphins would be trying to work out a deal with the Texans
now when they could wait for them to release Carr and work out the same
deal without having to surrender a Draft pick to the Texans ? Unless you know
of another team that is also seriously interested in Carr ?

autch14
03-23-2007, 07:55 AM
shhhhh don't give miami any ideas. We need more picks and we have to get something for carr even if it is a second day pick who knows.... maybe a 6th pick and the person we pick up with that pick is the next marcus colston....

Exithios
03-23-2007, 07:58 AM
I dunno why the Dolphins would be trying to work out a deal with the Texans
now when they could wait for them to release Carr and work out the same
deal without having to surrender a Draft pick to the Texans ? Unless you know
of another team that is also seriously interested in Carr ?

My take on this is that if Oakland and Miami, along with any other team that may be in the run for a QB before the draft, is serious about Carr then they have to work something with the Texans before he gets cut or risk losing what could possibly be the last notable QB on the market to a team Carr gets to choose from.

I beleive Carr would rather be a Raider therefor forcing Miami's hand.

TEXANRED
03-23-2007, 07:59 AM
At least he would be going to a team I like as appose to say Jacksonville.

That would be a nightmare.

keyfro
03-23-2007, 07:59 AM
well the reason is from my understanding is that if carr is simply released then he's probably headed home to oakland...by trading for him miami not only gets him but sends a message to carr that they want him there...after the way things have happened here in houston if they feel he's their guy that's a message they need to send him

joshri
03-23-2007, 08:00 AM
I would be terrified about a potential David Carr - Dom Capers reunion if I were a Dolphins fan.

TEXANRED
03-23-2007, 08:01 AM
What are we going to do with ourselves we the mods start moving all the Carr threads to the NFL section?

Malloy
03-23-2007, 08:02 AM
I would be terrified about a potential David Carr - Dom Capers reunion if I were a Dolphins fan.

It might work on the second attempt ;)

Dime
03-23-2007, 08:09 AM
What are we going to do with ourselves we the mods start moving all the Carr threads to the NFL section?

Nah... we will send them to the team that lands him

Hulk75
03-23-2007, 08:25 AM
I am reading that the Dolphins are in serious discussions with Texans about David Carr. Perhaps the Trent Green interest is waning in recent days...maybe recent hours is more appropriate.

Looks like Culpepper is not going to be back with the Dolphins. That's the vibe I'm getting. Take it for what it is worth. We have a GM now in Randy Meuller. He's a number guy and also very rational. He knows it makes no sense to Pay Culpepper 50 million over the next 5 years. I think thus far he and Cameron have been working very well together.

That leaves us with just one QB...Cleo Lemon.

I think we will know something as soon as today, but I think Dolphin/Texans negotians are somewhat "advanced" at this point.

I guess we will go into camp with a Carr/Lemon battle for the starting job, and perhaps we'll draft a QB to have waiting in the wings. Culpepper might end up in Oakland???

The one caveat to all this is that the Dolphins are using the discussions about Carr as a bluff to try to get Trent Green to redo his contract and come to the Dolphins??

Its Carr choice were he goes, and I just happened to look at your Depth chart on ESPN and you guys dont really have a lot of OLineman do you. It looked like you guys dont even have a Center according to your roster on ESPN.:confused:

Malloy
03-23-2007, 08:27 AM
That leaves us with just one QB...Cleo Lemon.


Am I the only one seeing the irony in having two QB's, one named Lemon, the other named Carr? :)

I'll remember never to purchase a vehicle in Florida :)

Exithios
03-23-2007, 08:29 AM
Its Carr choice were he goes, and I just happened to look at your Depth chart on ESPN and you guys dont really have a lot of OLineman do you. It looked like you guys dont even have a Center according to your roster on ESPN.:confused:

Unless you know something we don't, there is no way that "Carr gets the choice" of what team picks up the remainder of his contract.

Trap_Star
03-23-2007, 08:30 AM
Unless you know something we don't, there is no way that "Carr gets the choice" of what team would pickup the remainder of his contract.

Hulk is Carr's brother...

whiskeyrbl
03-23-2007, 08:33 AM
Hey Hulk give David our best,I hope he finds a team that fits him and he has a true chance of succeding. I think this move will be best for everyone involved.

Exithios
03-23-2007, 08:34 AM
Hulk is Carr's brother...

I don't care if he's Carr's jock strap, noone gets an inflated contract, that was an admitted mistake during the Schaub presser, then get your choice as to what team pick's the remainder of the contract up. The only possibility here is that Carr agreed to restructure with the Texans to make him more marketable.

Trap_Star
03-23-2007, 08:36 AM
I don't care if he's Carr's jock strap, noone gets an inflated contract, that was an admitted mistake during the Schaub presser, then get your choice as to what team pick's the remainder of the contract up. The only possibility here is that Carr agreed to restructure with the Texans to make him more marketable.

Im pretty sure if we trade Carr, he has to agree to a new contract to complete any deal...(sign and trade)...

Malloy
03-23-2007, 08:38 AM
Im pretty sure if we trade Carr, he has to agree to a new contract to complete any deal...(sign and trade)...

I hope they send him to NFL Europe ;)

Exithios
03-23-2007, 08:41 AM
I hope they send him to NFL Europe ;)

I won't stoop that low, I hope David has a successful career in the NFL and I beleive the potential is still there. He just has to find a team dedicated to him as well as a team with an established leadership.

Pantherstang84
03-23-2007, 08:41 AM
I dunno why the Dolphins would be trying to work out a deal with the Texans
now when they could wait for them to release Carr and work out the same
deal without having to surrender a Draft pick to the Texans ? Unless you know
of another team that is also seriously interested in Carr ?

Justified or not. Some of you underestimate Carr's value around the league. The perception out there was his problems were all the Oline's fault.

There are about 3-4 teams would like to get a veteran before the draft and noone wants to get in a bidding war over a UFA.

Especially if they think they need one.

Seņor Stan
03-23-2007, 08:43 AM
I don't care if he's Carr's jock strap, noone gets an inflated contract, that was an admitted mistake during the Schaub presser, then get your choice as to what team pick's the remainder of the contract up. The only possibility here is that Carr agreed to restructure with the Texans to make him more marketable.

That's the problem right there. I don't think there are many (any) teams willing to pick up Carr's contract as is. The new team is going to want to restructure his deal. That is the sticking point in the KC / Miami negotiations with Trent Green.

If that's the case, and a team wants to restructure, the David can pretty much choose where he is willing to go. He doesn't HAVE to re-do his deal if he doesn't want to. If a team wants to pick up the full tab, he has no choice other than pull a Plummer and retire.

I still feel a team that wants Carr is best suited to work out a sign and trade. I think they would get a better deal than if they waited until he hit the open market and was available for any team to sign.

Exithios
03-23-2007, 08:47 AM
That's the problem right there. I don't think there are many (any) teams willing to pick up Carr's contract as is. The new team is going to want to restructure his deal. That is the sticking point in the KC / Miami negotiations with Trent Green.

If that's the case, and a team wants to restructure, the David can pretty much choose where he is willing to go. He doesn't HAVE to re-do his deal if he doesn't want to. If a team wants to pick up the full tab, he has no choice other than pull a Plummer and retire.

I still feel a team that wants Carr is best suited to work out a sign and trade. I think they would get a better deal than if they waited until he hit the open market and was available for any team to sign.

Much of the speculated value as far as Carr goes has been based off of his current contract. Depending on what may be worked out between the Texans organization and Carr, this could be a whole different ball game.

tsip
03-23-2007, 08:48 AM
...sorry, my bag

Exithios
03-23-2007, 08:49 AM
http://scores.espn.go.com/nfl/teams/depth?team=hou

http://scores.espn.go.com/nfl/teams/roster?team=hou

...as usual, you're wrong...

I think he was talking to the Miami fan that posted above him in reference to the Dolphins.

David's Busted Carr
03-23-2007, 08:50 AM
I dunno why the Dolphins would be trying to work out a deal with the Texans
now when they could wait for them to release Carr and work out the same
deal without having to surrender a Draft pick to the Texans ? Unless you know
of another team that is also seriously interested in Carr ?

For the same exact reason we traded for Schaub now instead of waiting for him to become a UFA next year.

Teams are full of it. They will all tell you they aren't interested, but as soon as he became a UFA, I guarantee several teams will get in a bidding war. So by trading for him (and the price isn't that high) they don't have to mess with all that. So if you want him, why not give up a 3rd or 4th round pick and you're done.

And I could definitely see this working. Dom Capers will probably tell them how great Carr is, they just dumped Harrington, they will dump Culpepper, and neither of the top 2 QBs will be there at #9.

So their only options seem to be Trent Green or David Carr. And I'd rather have Carr if I were them based on the upside. Green's career is almost done.

Malloy
03-23-2007, 08:51 AM
That's the problem right there. I don't think there are many (any) teams willing to pick up Carr's contract as is. The new team is going to want to restructure his deal. That is the sticking point in the KC / Miami negotiations with Trent Green.



I agree, the contract is possibly a big problem.

I mentioned this in another thread: I would consider trading Carr for a trade-down (That is, losing Carr and trading down a pick), just to get rid of his contract. Unless we have someone actually wanting Carr, this would be a road that I personally would be willing to walk down. Minimize the damage, get rid of the contract.

Errant Hothy
03-23-2007, 08:53 AM
Untill the Texans release him, Carr can be trade with or with-out his consent. Why is a sign and trade reguired? Nw if a team wants to make restructuring his contract part of the deal then he can force where he goes, or he can pull a Plummer and threaten to not report/retire...but that'll make him look like an ass; something he has never really done in the past.

Miami may not be the No Cal but I think it would give Carr a good chance at success, more then Oakland probably.

Gamehorn25
03-23-2007, 08:58 AM
We will probably trade him, then the other team will rework his contract the way that they want it.

kfranco_utexas
03-23-2007, 09:07 AM
I am GLAD that Carr is gone!!!!



Loving it,,Loving it.


:snobord: :yahoo:

Long Baller
03-23-2007, 09:11 AM
How about Carr for Booker rather then a pick. This would upgrade our 2nd WR position and let us focus draft picks on OL and defense?

VaBandWaggonFan
03-23-2007, 09:21 AM
Poll is found here: http://www.miamiherald.com/614/story/50190.html


Just to give some insight into what Dolphin fans want...


What should the Dolphins do about their QB situation?
Go after the Texans' David Carr 2430
42%
Go after the Chiefs' Trent Green 448
8%
Draft a quarterback 2164
37%
Nothing. Stick with Culpepper and Lemon 776
13%
Total Votes: 5818

oilerstexans2007
03-23-2007, 09:30 AM
I'd rather he goes to Miami than Oakland. I think he'd be in another no-win situation in Oakland. (literally and figuratively)

He needs a fresh start,send him to the Bears.:snobord:

HuttoKarl
03-23-2007, 09:33 AM
Im pretty sure if we trade Carr, he has to agree to a new contract to complete any deal...(sign and trade)...

Probably.

Honoring Earl 34
03-23-2007, 09:36 AM
Im pretty sure if we trade Carr, he has to agree to a new contract to complete any deal...(sign and trade)...

That's how he can control where he goes .

He can agree to restructure with the team of his choice .

oilerstexans2007
03-23-2007, 09:37 AM
Hey Hulk give David our best,I hope he finds a team that fits him and he has a true chance of succeding. I think this move will be best for everyone involved.
I hope he finds a team with a good O-line:dance2:

TexanFanInCC
03-23-2007, 09:38 AM
It might work on the second attempt ;)

yeah thats pretty much why it doesnt surprise me. is miami's o-line any better than ours? it didnt really seem like it to me.

uhcougar08
03-23-2007, 09:42 AM
Im pretty sure if we trade Carr, he has to agree to a new contract to complete any deal...(sign and trade)...

Here is what the probem is: If he is traded to another team, and that team decides to keep his contract, then he is traded, if I am not mistaken. But, if he is traded and asked to renegotiate his contract, he has the option to say no, which means no trade. The Fins would have to take on his contract for this to go down. If DC says no to a renegotiation, the Texans will not have any choice but to release him. If this happens, it is best for other teams if he is released right away. It is best for the Texans to either trade him, or make him a June 1st casualty. Either way, DC does have some say in it.

nunusguy
03-23-2007, 09:43 AM
Justified or not. Some of you underestimate Carr's value around the league. The perception out there was his problems were all the Oline's fault.
There are about 3-4 teams would like to get a veteran before the draft and noone wants to get in a bidding war over a UFA.
Especially if they think they need one.
If there is a market of 3-4 teams vying for DC, then the competition among them might give the Texans some leverage that wouldn't be there otherwise
if the Dolphins were a market of one.
But under any scenario a team(s) bidding for DC has got to go thru him and his agent to restructure his contract, as the existing terms are just too
onerous to be assumed.

nunusguy
03-23-2007, 09:46 AM
For the same exact reason we traded for Schaub now instead of waiting for him to become a UFA next year.


2 totally different situations.

trublu
03-23-2007, 09:57 AM
If we could just now work on the VY homers.:dangit:

Texan_Bill
03-23-2007, 09:58 AM
Not only will the Carr Lovers go away, but so will the Carr Haters too.

But then again, they may not... Afterall, what else can they discuss??

Pantherstang84
03-23-2007, 10:04 AM
If there is a market of 3-4 teams vying for DC, then the competition among them might give the Texans some leverage that wouldn't be there otherwise
if the Dolphins were a market of one.
But under any scenario a team(s) bidding for DC has got to go thru him and his agent to restructure his contract, as the existing terms are just too
onerous to be assumed.

Agreed. I was merely trying to debunk the myth that there are no other teams interested in Carr.

A popular opinion on this board is that the Texans will not be able to trade him because no one wants him.

Nothing could be further from the truth.

Pantherstang84
03-23-2007, 10:05 AM
If we could just now work on the VY homers.:dangit:

That's my next project. We need to lead the VY crowd to their new home...

www.titansonline.com

eriadoc
03-23-2007, 10:05 AM
At least he would be going to a team I like as appose to say Jacksonville.

That would be a nightmare.

I would love to see Carr go to the Jags, actually. I think he'd be in a better position to have some success there, but even more importantly, it would really amp up the rivalry between our team and theirs. It would be fun.

uhcougar08
03-23-2007, 10:06 AM
If we could just now work on the VY homers.:dangit:

Amen! He plays for the Titans, and I hate the Titans.

El Amigo Invisible
03-23-2007, 10:20 AM
If we could just now work on the VY homers.:dangit:

Nothing changes. Carr was never the problem. VY would have been putting down the clipboard this year and jumping in head first. But ofcourse this is not another VY thread.

Dallas_Texan
03-23-2007, 10:47 AM
Its Carr choice were he goes, and I just happened to look at your Depth chart on ESPN and you guys dont really have a lot of OLineman do you. It looked like you guys dont even have a Center according to your roster on ESPN.:confused:


HULK - I've heard you are Carr's brother. Can you tell us if you've even heard the rumor that there will be draft pick compensation, or if we're just handing over the guy who's going to come back and smack us around throwing TD's to Randy Moss over Faggins shoulders?

kcwilson
03-23-2007, 10:56 AM
I would love to see Carr go to the Jags, actually. I think he'd be in a better position to have some success there, but even more importantly, it would really amp up the rivalry between our team and theirs. It would be fun.

Riiiiight...., 6 of Carr's 22 wins came against them... who would he beat if he couldn't play them?

The Pencil Neck
03-23-2007, 11:27 AM
Riiiiight...., 6 of Carr's 22 wins came against them... who would he beat if he couldn't play them?

But that also might give them a better reason to pick him up. They've seen him as a winner. And he's undefeated against the Raiders, right?

GP
03-23-2007, 11:30 AM
In the end, I think he ends up in Miami.

Oakland's fan base is not on the same wavelength as the Carr family. Can you really see him fitting in with that fan base?

They are the worst fan base in the NFL. Classless doesn't even begin to describe them. And they enjoy being known for their nastiness. They WANT to be known for it.

You gotta' be a special kinda' cat to play for them. Plummer is a guy who fits into that scene, IMO.

No, David ends up in Miami. Dolphins FO will realize that Culpepper and Green are in decline. They will give us something "average" for David, and we'll take it.

The atmosphere in Miami is what's going to draw David to the Fins. Sunny. Warm. Laid back. Familiar name and face in Dom Capers.

It just feels like the best fit for David.

Porky
03-23-2007, 11:46 AM
Agreed. I was merely trying to debunk the myth that there are no other teams interested in Carr.

A popular opinion on this board is that the Texans will not be able to trade him because no one wants him.

Nothing could be further from the truth.


You're going to be in for a major shock when he is released....

because no one wants him (with his current contract)

There will be a lot of wailing and nashing of teeth, but don't say you weren't warned. :this:

Pantherstang84
03-23-2007, 11:52 AM
You're going to be in for a major shock when he is released....

because no one wants him (with his current contract)

There will be a lot of wailing and nashing of teeth, but don't say you weren't warned. :this:

Actually, Carr is in the driver's seat. If the trade is to a team he isn't interested in, he won't restructure.

If he likes the team, he will be willing to restructure his deal.

If he is cut, there is no contract to renegotiate and he has no leverage.

He has leverage in a trade scenario.

Chew on that.

mamoo
03-23-2007, 11:54 AM
Most of Carr's family are Raiders fans. Go back to last year's game in Oakland and read the quotes. Carr said he didn't know if more in his family would wear Raiders jerseys or his. In fact, he said they shouldn't wear his so that they wouldn't get hurt by raiderfan.

wolf123
03-23-2007, 12:10 PM
Don't expect anything in return for david, if we get a 5th or 6th round pick we should be extremely thankful. His contract kills almost any deal and team know that we are going to release him.
I hate people getting their hopes all up for a 2nd or 3rd pick. This is not happening.
I remember people here thinking we would get picks for Aaron glenn and Jamie Sharper. David carr will be next in line

Porky
03-23-2007, 12:18 PM
Actually, Carr is in the driver's seat. If the trade is to a team he isn't interested in, he won't restructure.

If he likes the team, he will be willing to restructure his deal.

If he is cut, there is no contract to renegotiate and he has no leverage.

He has leverage in a trade scenario.

Chew on that.

SO he has more leverage when he can only negioate with one team rather than as many that are interested? Okay, that's a new one. Chew on that. :lightbulb:

HuttoKarl
03-23-2007, 12:21 PM
Not only will the Carr Lovers go away, but so will the Carr Haters too.

But then again, they may not... Afterall, what else can they discuss??

I fear that the Carr Lovers will morph into Schaub Haters and the VY Lovers will become Schaub Haters and the Texan Fans will become Schaub Lovers.

The battle wages on!!!

Texans_Chick
03-23-2007, 12:26 PM
In the end, I think he ends up in Miami.

Oakland's fan base is not on the same wavelength as the Carr family. Can you really see him fitting in with that fan base?

They are the worst fan base in the NFL. Classless doesn't even begin to describe them. And they enjoy being known for their nastiness. They WANT to be known for it.

You gotta' be a special kinda' cat to play for them. Plummer is a guy who fits into that scene, IMO.

No, David ends up in Miami. Dolphins FO will realize that Culpepper and Green are in decline. They will give us something "average" for David, and we'll take it.

The atmosphere in Miami is what's going to draw David to the Fins. Sunny. Warm. Laid back. Familiar name and face in Dom Capers.

It just feels like the best fit for David.

FWIW, ProFootballTalk.com is reporting that the Dolphins are close to a renegotiated deal with Trent Green.

Hervoyel
03-23-2007, 12:26 PM
I dunno why the Dolphins would be trying to work out a deal with the Texans
now when they could wait for them to release Carr and work out the same
deal without having to surrender a Draft pick to the Texans ? Unless you know
of another team that is also seriously interested in Carr ?


It's really simple. More than one team out there believes that David Carr's performance has been largely affected by the miserable and worthless excuse for an offensive line he's been given to protect him. Anyone who believes this will covet his services and believe that they can resurrect him. After all what have the Texans ever done to make anyone think they know anything about talent. Never understimate ego in this business. Some coach out there (likely "coaches") thinks he can succeed where others have failed. Likewise they no doubt think that if they see the possibilities in Carr then others must also see them.

If Carr becomes a free agent then they may not get him. He might elect to play somewhere else for reasons of his own. Trading for him means there's no question about whether or not he's yours.

For the record I think that this time next year we'll all know, without a doubt if it was Carr or the line that made things turn out the way they did. My money is that the line suddenly appears much improved once he's gone. We should not make any effort however to convince visiting fans of this. Just keep telling them that David is going to turn the corner next year.

Hervoyel
03-23-2007, 12:31 PM
I fear that the Carr Lovers will morph into Schaub Haters and the VY Lovers will become Schaub Haters and the Texan Fans will become Schaub Lovers.

The battle wages on!!!

No it doesn't. I have a feeling that at some point the Texans moderators are going to morph into "Schaub-hater cleaners" and put a stop to this stupid, redundant nonsense for once and for all.

Ole Miss Texan
03-23-2007, 12:31 PM
Its Carr choice were he goes, and I just happened to look at your Depth chart on ESPN and you guys dont really have a lot of OLineman do you. It looked like you guys dont even have a Center according to your roster on ESPN.:confused:

You may have brought up a very good point.

- If miami does trade for Carr, we might expect them to take Levi Brown with their pick in the first to help protect him.

Malloy
03-23-2007, 12:34 PM
FWIW, ProFootballTalk.com is reporting that the Dolphins are close to a renegotiated deal with Trent Green.

Perhaps they're pulling a Tampa, trying to corner the market on QB's? I hope so, let em take Carr too :)

TEXANRED
03-23-2007, 12:35 PM
For the record I think that this time next year we'll all know, without a doubt if it was Carr or the line that made things turn out the way they did. My money is that the line suddenly appears much improved once he's gone. We should not make any effort however to convince visiting fans of this. Just keep telling them that David is going to turn the corner next year.

Thats almost not a fair statement either. Next years line could very well have Spencer, Winston, (plug in lineman through draft here) on it.

The line may be vastly improved next year compared to previous years.

Now put Shaub behind: Riley, Grahm, Mckinney, Brown, Young, now you have yourself a debate.

Malloy
03-23-2007, 12:39 PM
No it doesn't. I have a feeling that at some point the Texans moderators are going to morph into "Schaub-hater cleaners" and put a stop to this stupid, redundant nonsense for once and for all.

Duck and cover!!

ps: For the record /me lub Schaub :)

Pantherstang84
03-23-2007, 12:44 PM
SO he has more leverage when he can only negioate with one team rather than as many that are interested? Okay, that's a new one. Chew on that. :lightbulb:

The point I am trying to make that you fail to grasp is...

If he is traded...

A. There are teams that are interested.

B. Carr can make or break the deal. He has the most leverage in this scenario and the best opportunity to maximize his deal by choosing (or not) to renegotiate his Texans contract..

If he is cut...

A. There are teams interested.

B. Carr has no leverage in this scenario.

It is really a pretty simple situation.

You said there will be nashing of teeth if he is cut.

Probably, but not from me. He is no longer the Texan's QB. I could care less if he is traded or cut.

However, the haters would like to think he will end up on the street with no job. I think that is very unlikely.

HoustonFrog
03-23-2007, 12:44 PM
No it doesn't. I have a feeling that at some point the Texans moderators are going to morph into "Schaub-hater cleaners" and put a stop to this stupid, redundant nonsense for once and for all.

Please Dear Lord

Insideop
03-23-2007, 12:46 PM
If we could just now work on the VY homers.:dangit:

Nice one "J-Lo.":thumbup

Honoring Earl 34
03-23-2007, 12:48 PM
Duck and cover!!

ps: For the record /me lub Schaub :)

Schaub gets FIVE years right ?

TexanAggie
03-23-2007, 12:49 PM
I think mr. Carr will probably be going to the vikings after we cut him, we cant get anyone to trade for him when they know we will cut him soon and he will come cheap on the street...

Trent green will go to Miami

I think the raiders will pick up that kid from LSU or Culpepper when he is cut from the Dolphins......



Carr I dont think will ever be a Great QB but might get it done. I will give him this he has TONS and I mean TONS of toughness all the sacks that he took, of course how many out of the 240 something where sacks he stood there and let them punch drunk him...........

HoustonFrog
03-23-2007, 12:51 PM
I don't think he wants to go to the Vikings after their head coach called him a limited talent and a guy that can't make all the throws.

Here we go Vinny..I'll just cut and paste from the other thread...


"Childress told the station the Vikings aren't interested in trading for Carr, and he explained why.

"I always struggled with where his release came from," Childress said. "It's kind of a drop-down, three-quarter, not overhand, over-the-top release.

"Just in the tape I've watched in the (five) years he's been in the league, he can make some of the throws, (but) he can't make all the throws. He gets some balls batted at the line of scrimmage just because of where that ball comes from.

"(It's) a little more difficult to throw in-the-seam throws because it doesn't come from over the top. He can't get a ball to get out of his hand, get up and get down.

"He's a smart guy; he's a decent athlete. But when you're buying a quarterback at this level and you kick the tires, there shouldn't be a lot of things that you're trying to straighten out. You pick a Carr, you pick a quarterback because you like all the things about him. ... You don't want to feel like there are any perceived flaws."


http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/...t/4654994.html


I can see Green in Miami and I'm still not sure where that leave us.

TexanAggie
03-23-2007, 12:53 PM
I don't think he wants to go to the Vikings after their head coach called him a limited talent and a guy that can't make all the throws.

You sure that qoute didnt come from coach Kubiak ??????
thats pretty much what we saw last yr

well then his choices are Very limited.....

Texans34Life
03-23-2007, 12:54 PM
FWIW, ProFootballTalk.com is reporting that the Dolphins are close to a renegotiated deal with Trent Green.

Dolphins | Green wants to play for team, according to agent
Fri, 23 Mar 2007 10:21:32 -0700

Alex Marvez, of the Sun-Sentinel, reports Kansas City Chiefs QB Trent Green wants to play for the Miami Dolphins, according to Green's agent, Jim Steiner. The only thing preventing Green from playing for the team, according to Steiner, is an impasse in trade talks with the Chiefs. "Trent would like to be there," Steiner said. "He has a relationship with (Dolphins head coach) Cam Cameron that goes back 10 years ago when both were with the Washington Redskins together. It's an offense he's familiar with and there would be an excellent working relationship. It's a team that has a great defense that with a few tweaks on offense would have a pretty good darn chance of succeeding this season."

Malloy
03-23-2007, 12:55 PM
Schaub gets FIVE years right ?

Hell no, I was done with Carr after 3, I expect Schaub gets a maximum of 2 years to 'show his worth'; that is, unless the team ends up in injury hell.

TEXANRED
03-23-2007, 12:57 PM
One thing I have learned as a Texans fan is that I have found out that nothing is ever fair when it comes to David Carr. Poor dude.

Thats not what I meant.

Put Schaub behind the same line that Carr had and then compare results.

Hopefully by the grace of all that is Holy our line may be vastly improved this year.

Honoring Earl 34
03-23-2007, 12:57 PM
Hell no, I was done with Carr after 3, I expect Schaub gets a maximum of 2 years to 'show his worth'; that is, unless the team ends up in injury hell.

I'll bet no other QB gets 5 years again .

Malloy
03-23-2007, 01:00 PM
I'll bet no other QB gets 5 years again .

In decades to come, this will be referred to the Houston Experiment. A casebook example on how you should NOT manage the QB position :)

Second Honeymoon
03-23-2007, 01:01 PM
Childress is just saying the same thing that all of us 'Carr Haters' have been saying since Draft Day. Doesn't anyone remember all the questions about his release point leading up to the draft and then Casserley coming in and saying that everyone was stupid and we didn't know anything about football. This is Texas, Casserley. We live, breathe, eat, and crap football 24/7 365.

If you remember there were A LOT of fans that didnt want the Texans to take Carr or take Harrington because of the reasons that Childress notes.

but whatever, McNair got his 'face' of the franchise for 5 years and it got us nowhere...at least now we can start over and do it with a real GM at the helm.

Errant Hothy
03-23-2007, 01:02 PM
Thats not what I meant.

Put Schaub behind the same line that Carr had and then compare results.

Hopefully by the grace of all that is Holy our line may be vastly improved this year.

This O-line thing is eerily similar to what happened iin Dallas last year. Drew started the season and was getting hammered, the Tuna put Romo in and the numbers dropped dramaticlly. Know I know Bledsoe=stuate, but alot of sports guys here, I live in the DFW...yes I know...pity me, were saying that not only was teh drop due to Romo's improved mobility but also that the line was playing harder for Romo. Why? The most common thought was that Romo was a better leader then Bledsoe.

Just though I'd share.

TEXANRED
03-23-2007, 01:03 PM
I'll bet no other QB gets 5 years again .

Moon was an Oiler 4 season before getting to the playoffs.

So this was a "One to grow on."

Honoring Earl 34
03-23-2007, 01:04 PM
In decades to come, this will be referred to the Houston Experiment. A casebook example on how you should NOT manage the QB position :)

This whole thing was just different .

Starting a rookie on an expansion team .

Having a front office who screwed up royally ... is Carr more proof or a victim of it ?

Being so nice to Carr because he's so nice .... we don't want to step on anybody's toes .

I'm so happy to get on with the next chapter of this story .

Second Honeymoon
03-23-2007, 01:05 PM
Thats not what I meant.

Put Schaub behind the same line that Carr had and then compare results.

Hopefully by the grace of all that is Holy our line may be vastly improved this year.

something tells me that just having Schaub behind center will 'improve' the line quite a lot.

i bet the locker room is just buzzing right now. you know the players have been wanting this to go down for quite a while. RIP Sharper, Walker, Glenn, Moulds, and Robaire. They finally killed the beast. You are truly martyrs. Thanks Dunta.

LET THE SCHAUB ERA BEGIN!!

tsip
03-23-2007, 01:06 PM
Thats almost not a fair statement either. Next years line could very well have Spencer, Winston, (plug in lineman through draft here) on it.

The line may be vastly improved next year compared to previous years.

Now put Shaub behind: Riley, Grahm, Mckinney, Brown, Young, now you have yourself a debate.

...how far back did you go to get those names and were they starters for a season or more?

Too, we put up a pretty good line last year-especially the 2nd half-and Carr had his worse half of a season since he's been here... RB's rushed for over 1000 yds and 10 tds and defense played much better-Carr had 500 less yds/2tds/and more ints than the first half of season.

JMO, but a lot of people are going to be amazed with the QB play next year...

Malloy
03-23-2007, 01:07 PM
This whole thing was just different .

Starting a rookie on an expansion team .

Having a front office who screwed up royally ... is Carr more proof or a victim of it ?

Being so nice to Carr because he's so nice .... we don't want to step on anybody's toes .

I'm so happy to get on with the next chapter of this story .

I'm sure we need a name change for the team, that's the only way to go :)

Second Honeymoon
03-23-2007, 01:08 PM
Moon was an Oiler 4 season before getting to the playoffs.

So this was a "One to grow on."

Moon showed more in his 1st season in the NFL than Carr did in 5 years. Remember that there was only one wild card spot during those days and we were in a division with Cincinatti during their Esiason salad days, Kosar in Cleveland, and the Steelers. Please refrain from comparing Carr to HOFers ala Moon, Young, Favre, etc.

gtexan02
03-23-2007, 01:10 PM
I don't buy that at all...every player has his next contract on game film. No player will devalue his worth and his next contract by not blocking for this guy or that guy.

Its true though. While every NFL player is motivated by money, there are a lot of other motivations.

Why do teams that have already secured playoff births or are totally otu of contention play differently?
Why did the Titans offense suddenly start playing so hard?

I dont think its fair to say that a given player totally stops playing and gives up his livelyhood to prove a point, but I do think its fair to say that players give somewhere between 75-100% depending on:
1) The importance of the game
2) The winnability of the game
3) The leadership of the team
4) General motivation
5) etc.

I think that many of the OL were so frustrated with Carr that they probably gave up on themselves a little. As a result, they probably played less effectively with Carr as they may with someone new.

Errant Hothy
03-23-2007, 01:10 PM
I don't buy that at all...every player has his next contract on game film. No player will devalue his worth and his next contract by not blocking for this guy or that guy.

I think it sounds like crap to, but that's waht was being said around here. The line played better for Romo, is it because they thought he gave them a better shot at winning or becasue he was a better leader; I don't know. But the line did play better. Maybe it was improved QB play that hid the line's short commings, I don't know; but maybe, just maybe we'll see the same thing here.

gtexan02
03-23-2007, 01:12 PM
Can we please get back to the poitn of this thread though? SO are there confirmed reports of a deal being close between Miami and Houston or not? This debate on OL motivation should get its own thread

The Pencil Neck
03-23-2007, 01:14 PM
If he is cut...

A. There are teams interested.

B. Carr has no leverage in this scenario.

It is really a pretty simple situation.

I don't understand what you're saying here. In this situation, Carr has all the leverage. He can choose to take whichever offer he wants. He can take the best team or the best money or what he perceives as the best situation for him. If there are multiple teams interested, they have to bid TO HIM for his service which might be harder than if they have to bid to the Texans. Although, like you said earlier, if a trade involves the restructuring of his contract, he isn't without leverage in that situation. But if a team really wants him. they can get him whether he wants to go to them or not.

tsip
03-23-2007, 01:15 PM
JMO, but I don't see him going to Miami because Capers has put the word out about Carr. Capers knows the problems Carr has (since high school) and he and Palmer gave up trying to fix David. To me, it's not 'damaged goods' that is the problem...Carr just does not have 'it.' And, he's not the only one, as there have been a lot of 1st day drafted qbs that fizzled in recent yrs, though Carr's 5 yrs as a starter is rare...

TEXANRED
03-23-2007, 01:17 PM
...how far back did you go to get those names and were they starters for a season or more?

Too, we put up a pretty good line last year-especially the 2nd half-and Carr had his worse half of a season since he's been here... RB's rushed for over 1000 yds and 10 tds and defense played much better-Carr had 500 less yds/2tds/and more ints than the first half of season.

JMO, but a lot of people are going to be amazed with the QB play next year...

I understand what you are saying but you really feel a line with Salaam, Pitts, DHodge, Weary/Mckinney, Winston, was an effective line?

I think last year we had a pretty soft second half of our schedule. Leech was a big part of our run success. Playing teams that had a hard time stopping the run was a factor. The sacks were still coming, DHodge looked over whelmed at times and Winston looked like a rookie.

Hopefully Spencer is back and Brown gets added to our line.

Just my opinion.

Texans34Life
03-23-2007, 01:36 PM
http://www.fanball.com

03/23 12:35 Dolphins: Looking at used Carr

The News

The Dolphins spent part of Thursday negotiating with the Texans about a trade for quarterback David Carr, according to the Miami Herald. An unnamed NFL personnel official told the Herald that Miami could outbid the Raiders and Vikings for Carr by switching places in the first round; currently, the Dolphins pick ninth while the Texans now hold the Falcons' pick at No. 10.

Our View

About the only way that move doesn't make sense for the Dolphins is if they intend on taking Penn State offensive tackle Levi Brown with the ninth pick; otherwise, the two teams don't seem to have any intersecting draft needs. Miami may try to get by with a lower offer, as the alternative for the Texans is to release Carr and get nothing for him.

Errant Hothy
03-23-2007, 01:42 PM
http://www.fanball.com

03/23 12:35 Dolphins: Looking at used Carr

The News

The Dolphins spent part of Thursday negotiating with the Texans about a trade for quarterback David Carr, according to the Miami Herald. An unnamed NFL personnel official told the Herald that Miami could outbid the Raiders and Vikings for Carr by switching places in the first round; currently, the Dolphins pick ninth while the Texans now hold the Falcons' pick at No. 10.

Our View

About the only way that move doesn't make sense for the Dolphins is if they intend on taking Penn State offensive tackle Levi Brown with the ninth pick; otherwise, the two teams don't seem to have any intersecting draft needs. Miami may try to get by with a lower offer, as the alternative for the Texans is to release Carr and get nothing for him.

Why switch from 9 to 10? Of the palyers who will be availble at 8, only two less whill be available at 10; and with our needs we'd still get an impact player. Now if it's move up to 9 and pick up another draft pick, I'd understand.

tsip
03-23-2007, 01:44 PM
I understand what you are saying but you really feel a line with Salaam, Pitts, DHodge, Weary/Mckinney, Winston, was an effective line?

I think last year we had a pretty soft second half of our schedule. Leech was a big part of our run success. Playing teams that had a hard time stopping the run was a factor. The sacks were still coming, DHodge looked over whelmed at times and Winston looked like a rookie.

Hopefully Spencer is back and Brown gets added to our line.

Just my opinion.

OK, I respect your opinion but do not agree. First, we had 1 less sack the 2nd half. Second, as far as soft schedule, our opp had 3 more wins the first half but we faced the same " of playoff teams both halves. My point-regardless of schedule-is that the entire team improved the 2nd half except for David and his passing game. Sacks were under control, RB's were putting up #'s and td's.

I'm saying the line was adequate, qb play was not, and there are no excuses/reasons for that...

awtysst
03-23-2007, 01:45 PM
Why switch from 9 to 10? Of the palyers who will be availble at 8, only two less whill be available at 10; and with our needs we'd still get an impact player. Nos if it's move up to 9 and pick up another draft pick, I'd understand.

I imagine there would be a draft pick associated. I would prefer staying at 10 and getting a higher round pick than switching to 9 and getting a lower round pick.

infantrycak
03-23-2007, 01:46 PM
Miami may try to get by with a lower offer, as the alternative for the Texans is to release Carr and get nothing for him.

A lower offer? Like what?--hearty thanks. That's a fifty point move--supposedly equivalent to a late 4th round pick. I think I'd rather have the 4th.

gtexan02
03-23-2007, 01:49 PM
Haha what can be lower than switching 1 place in the 1st round? Maybe they will offer to switch spots in a different round... A conditional 2008 7th rounder might tempt the guys, who knows...

Pantherstang84
03-23-2007, 01:50 PM
I don't understand what you're saying here. In this situation, Carr has all the leverage. He can choose to take whichever offer he wants. He can take the best team or the best money or what he perceives as the best situation for him. If there are multiple teams interested, they have to bid TO HIM for his service which might be harder than if they have to bid to the Texans. Although, like you said earlier, if a trade involves the restructuring of his contract, he isn't without leverage in that situation. But if a team really wants him. they can get him whether he wants to go to them or not.

Why don't you look at it this way...

Q. When is the best time to look for a new job?

A. When you are currently employed. If you are desperate for a job what leverage do you have in salary negotiations?

Carr's current contract is a deal breaker. No one will want to pay that kind of money.

Let's say Miami wants him and is willing to give us something in return, However, they stipulate his contract must be renegotiated (which is a pretty safe bet in any trade deal with him).

Carr has a choice here...

1. Sign a new deal and accept the trade.

or

2. Refuse to sign and kill the deal.

He does not have to renegotiate at all.

If he gets cut...

1. He will be unemployed.

2. He will no longer be under contract.

3. He will be needing a job.

Teams will know this. Do you think they will make their best offer knowing he has a house payment to pay and no income?

Errant Hothy
03-23-2007, 01:55 PM
Althought didn't somebody get an extra thrid for trading down one spot in the draft a couple of yers ago? Wanna say it was Cleveland.

Marcus
03-23-2007, 01:59 PM
I'd be willing to give Miami a draft pick if they'd be willing to eat Carr's current contract.

El Tejano
03-23-2007, 02:01 PM
Hulk please tell David I said good luck. He may not have had the success I wanted him to have but he displayed true Christianity while he played in Houston. Others may not think much of that but I for one do.

Let him know I will always be thankful when he beat The Cowboys in our first game ever, and nothing can erase the fact that he is my first rookie card in my collection of our 1st round picks and I was blessed to get his autograph.

As for the deal to Miami, I have a feeling Mcnair is giving David a chance to speak up because we eat 2 mil either way.

awtysst
03-23-2007, 02:01 PM
I'd be willing to give Miami a draft pick if they'd be willing to eat Carr's current contract.

Why? Thats just a waste. We need to hold our draft picks.

Big Ben Wallets
03-23-2007, 02:01 PM
My sources tell me the Dolphins will finalize the trade for Trent Green. The Fins will then swap picks with the Redskins and select JaMarcus Russell at No. 6. The Redskins will select Alan Branch at No. 9. The Dolphins will then groom Russell behind Green for a year, so that leaves Carr out of the picture. Carr won't be content being a backup for the rest of his career.

nunusguy
03-23-2007, 02:03 PM
If Carr becomes a free agent then they may not get him. He might elect to play somewhere else for reasons of his own. Trading for him means there's no question about whether or not he's yours.

Not so, because Carr has de facto power to nix any trade the Texans make involving him to another team. All he has to do is refuse to renegotiate the existing terms of his contract with his new suitor, because no one seriously beliefs that any team would assume his contract in its present form.

Malloy
03-23-2007, 02:03 PM
I'd be willing to give Miami a draft pick if they'd be willing to eat Carr's current contract.

Hey, that's my idea! :)

TEXANRED
03-23-2007, 02:04 PM
A lower offer? Like what?--hearty thanks. That's a fifty point move--supposedly equivalent to a late 4th round pick. I think I'd rather have the 4th.

I would take that.

A 9 is worth more than a 10. Hopefuly the Texans move down and we could make up that 50 points with another team.

Say maybe to the Bronoco's for there third and fourth, or second and fourth.

Increasing the value of the Texans first pick may be the only thing we can get for Carr at this point.

gtexan02
03-23-2007, 02:04 PM
My sources tell me the Dolphins will finalize the trade for Trent Green. The Fins will then swap picks with the Redskins and select JaMarcus Russell at No. 6. The Redskins will select Alan Branch at No. 9. The Dolphins will then groom Russell behind Green for a year, so that leaves Carr out of the picture. Carr won't be content being a backup for the rest of his career.


Nooo! Who are these sources that have you so confused?

Plus there is no way Russel would last to 6.

And even if he DID, the new Dolphins regime doesnt like the big strong armed raw talent. They are looking for an accurate, WCO guy. Hence the dump Culpepper move

Mr teX
03-23-2007, 02:05 PM
I am reading that the Dolphins are in serious discussions with Texans about David Carr. Perhaps the Trent Green interest is waning in recent days...maybe recent hours is more appropriate.

Looks like Culpepper is not going to be back with the Dolphins. That's the vibe I'm getting. Take it for what it is worth. We have a GM now in Randy Meuller. He's a number guy and also very rational. He knows it makes no sense to Pay Culpepper 50 million over the next 5 years. I think thus far he and Cameron have been working very well together.

That leaves us with just one QB...Cleo Lemon.

I think we will know something as soon as today, but I think Dolphin/Texans negotians are somewhat "advanced" at this point.

I guess we will go into camp with a Carr/Lemon battle for the starting job, and perhaps we'll draft a QB to have waiting in the wings. Culpepper might end up in Oakland???

The one caveat to all this is that the Dolphins are using the discussions about Carr as a bluff to try to get Trent Green to redo his contract and come to the Dolphins??


:rofl: no pun intended right?

Seņor Stan
03-23-2007, 02:13 PM
My sources tell me the Dolphins will finalize the trade for Trent Green. The Fins will then swap picks with the Redskins and select JaMarcus Russell at No. 6. The Redskins will select Alan Branch at No. 9. The Dolphins will then groom Russell behind Green for a year, so that leaves Carr out of the picture. Carr won't be content being a backup for the rest of his career.

I haven't seen any indication that Russell won't be a top 3 pick. If the Raiders pass on him and take Johnson, who will be their quarterback?

ATX
03-23-2007, 02:23 PM
I haven't seen any indication that Russell won't be a top 3 pick. If the Raiders pass on him and take Johnson, who will be their quarterback?

David Carr.....:dance2:

TEXANS84
03-23-2007, 02:34 PM
My sources tell me the Dolphins will finalize the trade for Trent Green. The Fins will then swap picks with the Redskins and select JaMarcus Russell at No. 6. The Redskins will select Alan Branch at No. 9. The Dolphins will then groom Russell behind Green for a year, so that leaves Carr out of the picture. Carr won't be content being a backup for the rest of his career.

Russell will never make it past #3, so good luck with your "sources".

michaelm
03-23-2007, 02:47 PM
My sources tell me the Dolphins will finalize the trade for Trent Green. The Fins will then swap picks with the Redskins and select JaMarcus Russell at No. 6. The Redskins will select Alan Branch at No. 9. The Dolphins will then groom Russell behind Green for a year, so that leaves Carr out of the picture. Carr won't be content being a backup for the rest of his career.

Could you please give me any reason whatsoever to trust your credibility and hence your "sources" credibility. I mean seriously, you come in here with 20ish posts, claiming that your "sources" are telling you exactly who the Skins and Dolphins will select like it's a forgone conclusion.
IMO, if you actually were someone, and actually had real sources, your blog might have an ad or two... I know I'd certainly want to make some income from the valuable information I had cultivated if I were you...

In one of your own posts on another MB, you even state "The top 2 players in this draft by far are JaMarcus Russell and Calvin Johnson"

http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070309/SPORTS01/703090389/1049/SPORTS01


Now all of a sudden Russell drops to six despite their being at least three teams above that in serious need of a QB...

My guess, after looking at a few of your various posts at several message boards, is that you are trying to drum up traffic for your blog... after all, it just about every single case you either mention your blog, or have it in your sig...

You got me, though... I added to your daily traffic.

The Pencil Neck
03-23-2007, 03:52 PM
Why don't you look at it this way...

Q. When is the best time to look for a new job?

A. When you are currently employed. If you are desperate for a job what leverage do you have in salary negotiations?

Carr's current contract is a deal breaker. No one will want to pay that kind of money.

Let's say Miami wants him and is willing to give us something in return, However, they stipulate his contract must be renegotiated (which is a pretty safe bet in any trade deal with him).

Carr has a choice here...

1. Sign a new deal and accept the trade.

or

2. Refuse to sign and kill the deal.

He does not have to renegotiate at all.

If he gets cut...

1. He will be unemployed.

2. He will no longer be under contract.

3. He will be needing a job.

Teams will know this. Do you think they will make their best offer knowing he has a house payment to pay and no income?

The best time to look for a new job is when you don't NEED one, not when you're employed. For most people, those two things are synonymous but not for Carr. He doesn't need a job. Guy has millions. He can afford to wait.

Everyone can come and offer him a deal. He can choose which deal he wants. That's leverage.

He also doesn't NEED a job so he can wait until some team has a bunch of injuries at the QB position and then he can sign mid-season for more money than if he signs now. He's got all the options right now. He could end up with a much bigger deal than if he had restructured his current contract and been traded AND he could end up with a better team.

He can choose to go to a team for very little money if he thinks that team gives him the best chance to succeed. Or he can wait it out and look for the biggest pay-day.

kastofsna
03-23-2007, 05:43 PM
My sources tell me the Dolphins will finalize the trade for Trent Green. The Fins will then swap picks with the Redskins and select JaMarcus Russell at No. 6. The Redskins will select Alan Branch at No. 9. The Dolphins will then groom Russell behind Green for a year, so that leaves Carr out of the picture. Carr won't be content being a backup for the rest of his career.
lol

Texans34Life
03-23-2007, 06:16 PM
Dolphins | Carr may be better option
Fri, 23 Mar 2007 15:50:36 -0700

Alex Marvez, of the Sun-Sentinel, reports the Miami Dolphins are interested in unrestricted free-agent QB David Carr (Texans), who may be a better option than trading for Kansas City Chiefs QB Trent Green. Carr would not cost the Dolphins any compensation and he is nine years younger than Green.

Texans Pride
03-23-2007, 07:15 PM
This is weird to see this thread in the NFL section lol

My Hero
03-23-2007, 07:20 PM
The best time to look for a new job is when you don't NEED one, not when you're employed. For most people, those two things are synonymous but not for Carr. He doesn't need a job. Guy has millions. He can afford to wait.

Everyone can come and offer him a deal. He can choose which deal he wants. That's leverage.

He also doesn't NEED a job so he can wait until some team has a bunch of injuries at the QB position and then he can sign mid-season for more money than if he signs now. He's got all the options right now. He could end up with a much bigger deal than if he had restructured his current contract and been traded AND he could end up with a better team.

He can choose to go to a team for very little money if he thinks that team gives him the best chance to succeed. Or he can wait it out and look for the biggest pay-day.


Well thought out post that shows your intelligence.

HoustonFan
03-23-2007, 07:27 PM
Carr and Capers reunion, huh? Well, at least if it went down this time, Carr wouldn't have to worry about Capers being the head coach.

Wolf
03-23-2007, 07:28 PM
Why not.they already tried out Joey H

Wolf
03-23-2007, 07:30 PM
Carr and Capers reunion, huh? Well, at least if it went down this time, Carr wouldn't have to worry about Capers being the head coach.

good catch forgot about that one