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kastofsna
03-22-2007, 01:53 PM
1: Oakland Raiders - Calvin Johnson, WR, Georgia Tech
2: Detroit Lions - Joe Thomas, OT, Wisconsin
3: Cleveland Browns - JaMarcus Russell, QB, LSU
4: Tampa Bay Buccaneers - Amobi Okoye, DT, Louisville
5: Arizona Cardinals - Gaines Adams, DE, Clemson
6: Washington Redskins - Jamaal Anderson, DE, Arkansas
7: Minnesota Vikings - Adrian Peterson, RB, Oklahoma
8: Atlanta Falcons - Levi Brown, OT, Penn State
9: Miami Dolphins - Brady Quinn, QB, Notre Dame
10: Houston Texans - Reggie Nelson, S, Florida
11: San Francisco 49ers - Adam Carriker, DE, Nebraska
12: Buffalo Bills - Marshawn Lynch, RB, Cal
13: St. Louis Rams - Alan Branch, DT, Michigan
14: Carolina Panthers - Patrick Willis, LB, Ole Miss
15: Pittsburgh Steelers - Leon Hall, CB, Michigan
16: Green Bay Packers - LaRon Landry, S, LSU
17: Jacksonville Jaguars - Ted Ginn, Jr, WR, Ohio State
18: Cincinnati Bengals - Greg Olsen, TE, Miami (FL)
19: Tennessee Titans - Robert Meachem, WR, Tennessee
20: New York Giants - Paul Posluszny, LB, Penn State
21: Denver Broncos - Jarvis Moss, DE, Florida
22: Dallas Cowboys - Joe Staley, OT, Central Michigan
23: Kansas City Chiefs - Dwayne Bowe, WR, LSU
24: New England Patriots (f/Seattle) - Lawrence Timmons, LB, FSU
25: New York Jets - Chris Houston, CB, Arkansas
26: Philadelphia Eagles - Dwayne Jarrett, WR, USC
27: New Orleans Saints - Darrelle Revis, CB, Pittsburgh
28: New England Patriots - Marcus McCauley, CB, Fresno State
29: Baltimore Ravens - Tony Ugoh, OT, Arkansas
30: San Diego Chargers - Steve Smith, WR, USC
31: Chicago Bears - Jon Beason, LB, Miami (FL)
32: Indianapolis Colts - Brian Leonard, RB, Rutgers

Wharton
03-22-2007, 02:02 PM
I like taking a S at this pick, especially with Brown gone, but why Nelson over Landry? Most have Landry rated higer.

STEEL BLUE TEXANS
03-22-2007, 02:03 PM
The Texans supposedly made a deal for Schaub because they were certain Brady Quinn wouldn't fall to 8.

real
03-22-2007, 02:05 PM
The Texans supposedly made a deal for Schaub because they were certain Brady Quinn wouldn't fall to 8.

I can believe that...

awtysst
03-22-2007, 02:05 PM
1: Oakland Raiders - Calvin Johnson, WR, Georgia Tech
2: Detroit Lions - Joe Thomas, OT, Wisconsin
3: Cleveland Browns - JaMarcus Russell, QB, LSU
4: Tampa Bay Buccaneers - Amobi Okoye, DT, Louisville
5: Arizona Cardinals - Gaines Adams, DE, Clemson
6: Washington Redskins - Jamaal Anderson, DE, Arkansas
7: Minnesota Vikings - Adrian Peterson, RB, Oklahoma
8: Atlanta Falcons - Levi Brown, OT, Penn State
9: Miami Dolphins - Brady Quinn, QB, Notre Dame
10: Houston Texans - Reggie Nelson, S, Florida
11: San Francisco 49ers - Adam Carriker, DE, Nebraska
12: Buffalo Bills - Marshawn Lynch, RB, Cal
13: St. Louis Rams - Alan Branch, DT, Michigan
14: Carolina Panthers - Patrick Willis, LB, Ole Miss
15: Pittsburgh Steelers - Leon Hall, CB, Michigan
16: Green Bay Packers - LaRon Landry, S, LSU
17: Jacksonville Jaguars - Ted Ginn, Jr, WR, Ohio State
18: Cincinnati Bengals - Greg Olsen, TE, Miami (FL)
19: Tennessee Titans - Robert Meachem, WR, Tennessee
20: New York Giants - Paul Posluszny, LB, Penn State
21: Denver Broncos - Jarvis Moss, DE, Florida
22: Dallas Cowboys - Joe Staley, OT, Central Michigan
23: Kansas City Chiefs - Dwayne Bowe, WR, LSU
24: New England Patriots (f/Seattle) - Lawrence Timmons, LB, FSU
25: New York Jets - Chris Houston, CB, Arkansas
26: Philadelphia Eagles - Dwayne Jarrett, WR, USC
27: New Orleans Saints - Darrelle Revis, CB, Pittsburgh
28: New England Patriots - Marcus McCauley, CB, Fresno State
29: Baltimore Ravens - Tony Ugoh, OT, Arkansas
30: San Diego Chargers - Steve Smith, WR, USC
31: Chicago Bears - Jon Beason, LB, Miami (FL)
32: Indianapolis Colts - Brian Leonard, RB, Rutgers


Do you think we could trade down and create a bidding war between Buffalo and GB for the services of Marshwn lynch? If so, whats the most you think we could get?

Farough
03-22-2007, 02:06 PM
The Texans supposedly made a deal for Schaub because they were certain Brady Quinn wouldn't fall to 8.
But with the 2 2nd rounders they traded away they cuold have moved up enough to get him. I don't like the trade

threetoedpete
03-22-2007, 02:06 PM
I'd laugh it if wasn't so sad...Overrated Levi to the eight and Atalnta...too funny. That would make #3 we let sail off into the sunset. Nice Mock...since we're one player away now that we have the franchise QB on board, and are going to the super bowl next year, might as well go whole haug there Kast and sitck Ginn jr. at the ten.

kastofsna
03-22-2007, 02:15 PM
The Texans supposedly made a deal for Schaub because they were certain Brady Quinn wouldn't fall to 8.
i don't necessarily buy that. i look at this deal similiar to the saints signing drew brees before the draft. they had their look at the top 3 QB's in the draft, but decided to take the vet.

as for nelson vs. landry, i'm sure most teams have nelson higher. because athletically, he and landry are very similiar. but nelson is a bigger playmaker, and brings more to the table. in fact, i think most teams probably look at landry as just a "good" safety, with lots of athletic ability.

i think a lot of people here are overrating landry a tad.

Mr teX
03-22-2007, 02:18 PM
Bottom line if we stay at 10, we're going to get a stud & fill a serious need for us at the same time, which is why i'm ok with the trade for schaub.

Someone said it in another thread, Schaub is basically our 2nd round pick for this year & had he been coming out this year, he likely could have had a Cutler-like rise in the draft & been a higher pick than he was when he came out with Eli, Rivers & Ben.

So we basically got him for a 2nd rounder in 2008 & a 2 spot swap of our 1st rounders this year. That's not to bad for me considering how this could potentially set us up for 10 years at the QB spot.

If it doesn't pan out............... well, we can always put new wheels on the "start sage" bandwagon.

Champ
03-22-2007, 02:29 PM
Quinn won't drop past the Bucs and Landry isn't falling out of the top ten. Terrible mock.

threetoedpete
03-22-2007, 02:42 PM
Quinn won't drop past the Bucs and Landry isn't falling out of the top ten. Terrible mock.

Why because you've over valued Landry since '06 ? He's going to fall. And there's a reason he's going to fall.

YoungTexanFan
03-22-2007, 02:44 PM
I think you can pencil in ATL at #1 making a move up for CJ. Expect it now.

kastofsna
03-22-2007, 02:45 PM
Quinn won't drop past the Bucs and Landry isn't falling out of the top ten. Terrible mock.
you're wrong on both points there. no reason to think gruden would take quinn. none. good insight.

Champ
03-22-2007, 02:46 PM
Since 06? Umm no Landry has been on the NFL radar since his freshman year when he lead an National Title team in tackles. It's not just me who has Landry rated high it's pretty much everyone. Mike Mayock said he was a better prospect than Huff and Whitner.

I went to the Cardinals website awhile back they were talking about drafting him, went to the Skins website they are talking about drafting him, went to the Vikings website they are talking about drafting him, Falcons fans want him badly,went to the Pats and Chargers sites they have threads talking about trading up to get him. So yeah it's pretty much just you saying he's overrated.

Saying Landry is overrated is the dumbest thing I've read yet on this site.

Champ
03-22-2007, 02:48 PM
you're wrong on both points there. no reason to think gruden would take quinn. none. good insight.

No there is every reason to think Gruden would take Quinn. Why wouldn't he? Because Grad and Simms are just lighting it up? Please.

I'm right on both counts and your talent evaluation still sucks. Sorry.

kastofsna
03-22-2007, 02:50 PM
I think you can pencil in ATL at #1 making a move up for CJ. Expect it now.
they may want to. but i'm not expecting it to happen. if atlanta throws in their 1st rounder, both 2nds and even their 3rd, they'd be short by about 200 points, going by the value chart. i.e. another early 2nd rounder. besides, i don't see any way oakland doesn't take johnson themselves.

threetoedpete
03-22-2007, 02:50 PM
I think you can pencil in ATL at #1 making a move up for CJ. Expect it now.

Which will in turn make me even more angry watching another one of our towes float off into Al Davis' hands. Too funny. IF they can met Al's price. I think that's just the media speculating. Home towne guy going to the home town team with a need at WR. Sounds kinda fimiluar doesn't it ? Switch Wr with QB and you've got daja vu all over again.

kastofsna
03-22-2007, 02:51 PM
No there is every reason to think Gruden would take Quinn. Why wouldn't he? Because Grad and Simms are just lighting it up? Please.

I'm right on both counts and your talent evaluation still sucks. Sorry.
ah okay.

Xman
03-22-2007, 03:29 PM
The scouting reports on Landry and Nelson below:

either one would work for us - Landry seems to be a better leader (which I think we could use) and against the run; Nelson would be a little better aganst the pass

Laron Landry
S | (6'2", 202, 4.49) | LSU

Scouts Grade: 96
Strengths: Possesses good height, decent bulk and the frame to get bigger. Shows good fluidity and top-end speed. He consistently gets a quick break on the ball and diagnoses the run very quickly. He shows good toughness and strength in run support, especially for his size. He fills hard and shows adequate power at the point of attack. Sideline-to-sideline playmaker versus the run. He displays better-than-average range in zone coverage and he also can match up one-on-one versus slot receivers in the NFL. He is an instinctive playmaker with adequate-to-good ball skills. He has a good mental capacity and coaches rave about his ability to pick things up quickly. He is a good leader in the secondary and does a great job of getting everyone in position. He has tremendous experience as a four-year starter at the highest collegiate level. He also has been extremely versatile in LSU's secondary throughout his career.

Weaknesses: Lacks ideal bulk. Until he gets bigger he will not be able to match up as easily in-the-box at the NFL level as he has in college. He will misjudge the ball in the air on occasion and he still can improve his recognition skills when playing in deep-middle zone coverage.

Overall: Landry played in all 14 games (10 starts) as a true freshman in 2003 and recorded 80 total tackles, 3.5 tackles for loss, three sacks, two interceptions, four pass-breakups, and one blocked kick. He was knocked out of the Arkansas game (11/28) with a concussion. In 2004, Landry started all 12 games finishing the season with 92 total tackles, five tackles for loss, three sacks, four interceptions, six pass-breakups, and one forced fumble. He once again started every game (13) in 2005 registering 69 total tackles, four tackles for loss, one sack, three interceptions, and eight pass-breakups. In 2006 he started all 13 games, earning first team All-American and first team All-SEC honors (both media and coaches), after collecting 74 tackles, 3.5 tackles for loss, one sack, one forced fumble, one blocked kick, and three interceptions. Over the past four seasons, Landry has seen time at free safety, strong safety, and cornerback.
Landry is as close to the complete package as it gets for a safety prospect coming from the collegiate ranks. He projects as an immediate starter at free safety in the NFL; he can hold up in the box, in deep-middle zone coverage and one-on-one versus a slot receiver. In our opinion, Landry is the top safety in the 2007 class and he should come off the board in the first-half of the first round.

Reggie Nelson
S | (6'0", 198, 4.43) | FLORIDA

Scouts Grade: 95

Strengths: A centerfielder type with outstanding athletic ability and speed. He shows good leverage and quickness in his pedal. Gets a deep drop and does a fine job of keeping the play in front of him. He shows excellent range in zone coverage. Consistently displays the ability to reach the sideline as a cover-3 free safety down the middle. He's instinctive and diagnoses plays quickly in coverage; he does a very good job of reading quarterbacks' eyes while dropping. He displays good ball skills and will catch the ball at its highest point. He shows very good closing burst in coverage and in run support. He isn't afraid to throw his body around. Lowers his shoulder and shows good initial pop for his size. He will play the ball first, but he also will play the body when he can't get to the ball.

Weaknesses: Lacks ideal size and strength. Is not capable of matching up in the box. Much better in coverage than in run support. He's frequently late in diagnosing the run. He shows good initial pop for his size but he's not overly strong as a tackler. He leads with his shoulder on most occasions and looks for the knockout blow. As a result, he puts his head down and fails to wrap up on too many occasions. He has struggled academically; there are concerns regarding his mental capacity and ability to get his teammates lined up from the safety position.

Overall: Nelson originally attended Coffeyville (Kan.) Community College in 2003 after failing to qualify academically and played football there during the 2004 season, when he registered a team-high 72 tackles, six interceptions (one returned for a touchdown), two fumble recoveries, and four blocked kicks. He transferred to Florida in January of 2005 and then appeared in 11 contests (four starts) before tearing a knee ligament during bowl practice which required surgery, finishing the year with 46 total tackles, four tackles for loss, one forced fumble, one pass defended, and one interception. In 2006, Nelson became a first team All-American after starting all 14 games and recording 51 total tackles, two tackles for loss, six interceptions (one returned for a touchdown), five pass-breakups, one fumble recovery, and two blocked kicks. He also returned 12 punts for 93 yards in 2006.
Nelson lacks ideal size and he has limitations in run support. However, he possesses outstanding speed, athletic ability and ball skills in coverage. He has the best range of any safety prospect in the 2007 class and he can instantly upgrade the coverage skills of an NFL secondary as a centerfielder-type free safety. Nelson projects as one of the top-three safety prospects in this year's class and he should be taken in the mid-to-late portion of the first round.

Xman
03-22-2007, 04:12 PM
1: Oakland Raiders - Calvin Johnson, WR, Georgia Tech - ok
2: Detroit Lions - Joe Thomas, OT, Wisconsin - ok
3: Cleveland Browns - JaMarcus Russell, QB, LSU - hmmmmm, I think they go Peterson. And, if the rumor of the owner mandating a QB is true, couldn't Quinn be their first choice?
4: Tampa Bay Buccaneers - Amobi Okoye, DT, Louisville - fills a need with a talent, and it sucks for them if CJ and Thomas are gone.
5: Arizona Cardinals - Gaines Adams, DE, Clemson: Perfect fit if Thomas is gone.

This is where it gets interesting. I know it is impossible to project trades with ANY chance of success. But, If Quinn and/or Peterson are on the board at this point, then Wash (and/or Minny) is dealing down.

6: Washington Redskins - Jamaal Anderson, DE, Arkansas - ok
7: Minnesota Vikings - Adrian Peterson, RB, Oklahoma: Would take him and trade down (but to keep hm would create cap problems unless they cut Taylor which would create cap problems: same reason Washington won't keep him if they draft him)
8: Atlanta Falcons - Levi Brown, OT, Penn State: ok, but could easily be Landry.
9: Miami Dolphins - Brady Quinn, QB, Notre Dame: I could see either Okoye or Branch going here - but they did resign their (old) DTs. Secondary and OL could use help. Quinn would be too good to pass up here but I think he will be gone. So, I think . . . . Leon Hall.
10: Houston Texans - Reggie Nelson, S, Florida: Woeks for me. But so does Nelson/Okoye/Branch/Houston/Revis or Willis. So, hopefully we trade down a few spots.
11: San Francisco 49ers - Adam Carriker, DE, Nebraska - ok
12: Buffalo Bills - Marshawn Lynch, RB, Cal - ok
13: St. Louis Rams - Alan Branch, DT, Michigan - ok, a steal if there: OLB (Willis) or DE Carriker works for them also.
14: Carolina Panthers - Patrick Willis, LB, Ole Miss - ok bpa
15: Pittsburgh Steelers - Leon Hall, CB, Michigan - ok bpa: Would go OL if there was a worthy one here.
16: Green Bay Packers - LaRon Landry, S, LSU - bpa; I think Landry is gone so thye go CB, but might take Ginn if he is there.
17: Jacksonville Jaguars - Ted Ginn, Jr, WR, Ohio State - another WR? Value is good though. Not sure what they need - a stud LB?
18: Cincinnati Bengals - Greg Olsen, TE, Miami (FL): fills a major need but it seems a little early to take this guy.
19: Tennessee Titans - Robert Meachem, WR, Tennessee - best WR makes sense.
20: New York Giants - Paul Posluszny, LB, Penn State: I like Polu so this works for me, but could go WR or OL here also.
21: Denver Broncos - Jarvis Moss, DE, Florida works for me
22: Dallas Cowboys - Joe Staley, OT, Central Michigan: Makes sense for the long haul.
23: Kansas City Chiefs - Dwayne Bowe, WR, LSU: Fills a huge hole.
24: New England Patriots (f/Seattle) - Lawrence Timmons, LB, FSU
25: New York Jets - Chris Houston, CB, Arkansas: have other needs but if this guy slips it would be a coup. BPA or they make a trade.
26: Philadelphia Eagles - Dwayne Jarrett, WR, USC; makes sense for them.
27: New Orleans Saints - Darrelle Revis, CB, Pittsburgh: Will take the best cb available
28: New England Patriots - Marcus McCauley, CB, Fresno State: I see them taking a LB at 24 and a S with this pick - Meriweather or Griffin.
29: Baltimore Ravens - Tony Ugoh, OT, Arkansas: they take the best big ugly OL on the board
30: San Diego Chargers - Steve Smith, WR, USC - Best WR - but maybe Bowe or Meachum slips instead.
31: Chicago Bears - Jon Beason, LB, Miami (FL) - works - but a nice WR or OG could work also
32: Indianapolis Colts - Brian Leonard, RB, Rutgers - I see a LB here - probably Beason if there, otherwise Rufus Alexander

Gamehorn25
03-22-2007, 04:18 PM
I personally vote for the smart leader who is better against the run. Laron Landry for Houston

Allstar
03-22-2007, 04:22 PM
None of your previous drafts had Min taking Peterson if he fell, why do you think they will now?

TheIz
03-22-2007, 06:23 PM
What chance Joe Thomas at #1? I've seen a few mocks with him going 2nd.... If Oakland do pick up a QB (maybe Carr) and trade Moss I don't think it definitely means they'll go WR since they have Porter and Curry. As they have moved Gallery to RT why wouldn't they take Thomas?

Or is Calvin Johnson too good? Admittedly I haven't seen him play (don't get much college football in these parts!).......

Keep up the good work with the mocks - it's great reading them - thanks:ok:

Navy_Chris
03-22-2007, 06:53 PM
1: Oakland Raiders - Calvin Johnson, WR, Georgia Tech
2: Detroit Lions - Joe Thomas, OT, Wisconsin
3: Cleveland Browns - JaMarcus Russell, QB, LSU
4: Tampa Bay Buccaneers - Amobi Okoye, DT, Louisville
5: Arizona Cardinals - Gaines Adams, DE, Clemson
6: Washington Redskins - Jamaal Anderson, DE, Arkansas
7: Minnesota Vikings - Adrian Peterson, RB, Oklahoma
8: Atlanta Falcons - Levi Brown, OT, Penn State
9: Miami Dolphins - Brady Quinn, QB, Notre Dame
10: Houston Texans - Reggie Nelson, S, Florida
11: San Francisco 49ers - Adam Carriker, DE, Nebraska
12: Buffalo Bills - Marshawn Lynch, RB, Cal
13: St. Louis Rams - Alan Branch, DT, Michigan
14: Carolina Panthers - Patrick Willis, LB, Ole Miss
15: Pittsburgh Steelers - Leon Hall, CB, Michigan
16: Green Bay Packers - LaRon Landry, S, LSU
17: Jacksonville Jaguars - Ted Ginn, Jr, WR, Ohio State
18: Cincinnati Bengals - Greg Olsen, TE, Miami (FL)
19: Tennessee Titans - Robert Meachem, WR, Tennessee
20: New York Giants - Paul Posluszny, LB, Penn State
21: Denver Broncos - Jarvis Moss, DE, Florida
22: Dallas Cowboys - Joe Staley, OT, Central Michigan
23: Kansas City Chiefs - Dwayne Bowe, WR, LSU
24: New England Patriots (f/Seattle) - Lawrence Timmons, LB, FSU
25: New York Jets - Chris Houston, CB, Arkansas
26: Philadelphia Eagles - Dwayne Jarrett, WR, USC
27: New Orleans Saints - Darrelle Revis, CB, Pittsburgh
28: New England Patriots - Marcus McCauley, CB, Fresno State
29: Baltimore Ravens - Tony Ugoh, OT, Arkansas
30: San Diego Chargers - Steve Smith, WR, USC
31: Chicago Bears - Jon Beason, LB, Miami (FL)
32: Indianapolis Colts - Brian Leonard, RB, Rutgers

we can get more value and trade down to get Nelson...maybe trade down to 12 with Buffalo?? I like Nelson though, call me crazy but I even like Nelson more than I like Landry.

Gamehorn25
03-22-2007, 06:58 PM
Nelson is more of a ball-hawk while Landry is more of a run-stuffer, I have been liking Landry more, but I am slowly switching over to Nelson.

Navy_Chris
03-22-2007, 07:02 PM
Nelson is more of a ball-hawk while Landry is more of a run-stuffer, I have been liking Landry more, but I am slowly switching over to Nelson.

I've been a fan of Reggie since he was 2. Last year he won the "Knock A M*thaf*cka Out" Award. His prize was a box of Shout wipes so he could wipe his opponents' blood off his jersey.

Bubbajwp
03-22-2007, 07:55 PM
I personally vote for the smart leader who is better against the run. Laron Landry for Houston

I dont understand this. We are decent against the run. We are terrible against the pass.

Bubbajwp
03-22-2007, 08:00 PM
I think this draft is almost perfect or atleast as perfect as a mock draft can get. I would only change two picks. I would give the Chargers Sidney Rice instead of steve smith. Thats who I would take if I was them. Also I dont see the Colts taking another RB in the first round. If I was them I would take BPA on defense.

beerlover
03-22-2007, 08:15 PM
I'd laugh it if wasn't so sad...Overrated Levi to the eight and Atalnta...too funny. That would make #3 we let sail off into the sunset. Nice Mock...since we're one player away now that we have the franchise QB on board, and are going to the super bowl next year, might as well go whole haug there Kast and sitck Ginn jr. at the ten.

I'm considering a move to Atlanta if Levi goes there instead. enough is enough :gun:

AtheGreat
03-22-2007, 08:16 PM
wouldn't you love to be in the pats spot and get Chris Houston and Ughoh (sp) (according to this mock). that'd fill some holes. hope NE falls in love with someone at the 10 spot...

Navy_Chris
03-22-2007, 08:17 PM
I'm considering a move to Atlanta if Levi goes there instead. enough is enough :gun:

Levi's not worth a #10. No OL is, IMO. I think we should trade with Denver for their #21 and take Meachem. We take Blalock in the 2nd (after we trade Carr and a 4th to Miami).

Ole Miss Texan
03-22-2007, 08:29 PM
:woot2: I personally vote for the smart leader who is better against the run. Laron Landry for Houston

Landry...all around complete player. If he's there I want us to take him. If he's not I'll be happy with Nelson too...different kind of players but both VERY good.

Navy_Chris
03-22-2007, 08:32 PM
:woot2:

Landry...all around complete player. If he's there I want us to take him. If he's not I'll be happy with Nelson too...different kind of players but both VERY good.

The fact that the Texans swapped 1st rounders w/ Atlanta only tells me that they're definitely interested in moving down in the draft. Given the Schaub signing and our spot at #10, I like the idea of moving down and taking Robert Meachem at #21. He'll look darn good next AJ.

vtech9
03-22-2007, 10:52 PM
I think Landry is a better fit for us than Nelson. Also, Nelson is rated around the 15th best DB, so why would we take him at 10 with 14 other DB's better than him?

I'm sorry, I think I already know....he's from Florida.

HoustonFrog
03-22-2007, 11:22 PM
Kast, I like the mock and Nelson was the guy I was always targeting but I'm thinking if they go back and pick up another pick they still might get him or another of the D-line people on their board. I'm very intigued now how all this affects a Levi/WR/2nd round pick.

thunderkyss
03-22-2007, 11:34 PM
I'm considering a move to Atlanta if Levi goes there instead. enough is enough :gun:

I can't believe Atlanta would move up even 2 spots to get Levi Brown. We weren't going to take him at #8. He'd have been there at 10. They've got to be eye-balling Landry, Branch, or expecting Adams or Anderson to fall.

bad
03-22-2007, 11:45 PM
What chance Joe Thomas at #1? I've seen a few mocks with him going 2nd.... If Oakland do pick up a QB (maybe Carr) and trade Moss I don't think it definitely means they'll go WR since they have Porter and Curry. As they have moved Gallery to RT why wouldn't they take Thomas?

Or is Calvin Johnson too good? ...:ok:
He's about as can't miss as can't miss can be. Size, speed, hands, body control, character...best prospect in the draft. Period.

Bubbajwp
03-23-2007, 12:04 AM
I think Landry is a better fit for us than Nelson. Also, Nelson is rated around the 15th best DB, so why would we take him at 10 with 14 other DB's better than him?

I'm sorry, I think I already know....he's from Florida.

15th rated DB lol. Were in the world did you hear that. Dont answer because whoever said that has no clue what they are talking about.

Once again can somebody explain why Landry is a better fit than Nelson.

Luv Ya Blue 2007
03-23-2007, 12:39 AM
But with the 2 2nd rounders they traded away they cuold have moved up enough to get him. I don't like the trade

Do you not get it,:wild: we would have to use a #1 on Quinn and give up the second rounders. This way we still have a top ten pick. Pls. flip the switch.

Please_Evolve
03-23-2007, 01:36 AM
I can't believe Atlanta would move up even 2 spots to get Levi Brown. We weren't going to take him at #8. He'd have been there at 10. They've got to be eye-balling Landry, Branch, or expecting Adams or Anderson to fall.

Agreed on that sentiment.

TexansSeminole
03-23-2007, 01:40 AM
Agreed on that sentiment.

I agree with it too.

steelbtexan
03-23-2007, 03:12 AM
take carriker or trade down

Ole Miss Texan
03-23-2007, 03:20 AM
15th rated DB lol. Were in the world did you hear that. Dont answer because whoever said that has no clue what they are talking about.

Once again can somebody explain why Landry is a better fit than Nelson.

well kiper has landry as the top rated defensive player in the entire draft.

Reggie Nelson isn't listed in his top 25.

Scout.com has Nelson rated as the #30 overall player.

take it how you want it..i'd take nelson at 10-20 if we could trade down esp.

Janus3
03-23-2007, 05:06 AM
i don't necessarily buy that. i look at this deal similiar to the saints signing drew brees before the draft. they had their look at the top 3 QB's in the draft, but decided to take the vet.

as for nelson vs. landry, i'm sure most teams have nelson higher. because athletically, he and landry are very similiar. but nelson is a bigger playmaker, and brings more to the table. in fact, i think most teams probably look at landry as just a "good" safety, with lots of athletic ability.

i think a lot of people here are overrating landry a tad.


gotta agree, landry is overrated.

Gamehorn25
03-23-2007, 08:12 AM
Nelson is going to be going somewhere before 20. He is too good not to. Landry is a better leader than Nelson is, so I would prefer Landry, but we may already have our leaders on defense. I will let you make your own decisions as to who you want more. Both would be very valuable picks.

vtech9
03-24-2007, 09:34 PM
15th rated DB lol. Were in the world did you hear that. Dont answer because whoever said that has no clue what they are talking about.

Once again can somebody explain why Landry is a better fit than Nelson.

well kiper has landry as the top rated defensive player in the entire draft.

Reggie Nelson isn't listed in his top 25.

Scout.com has Nelson rated as the #30 overall player.

take it how you want it..i'd take nelson at 10-20 if we could trade down esp.

Well Bubba, OMT gives you a couple right there, but I was refering to Mike Mayock. He does this kind of stuff for a living, and watches more game tape in a week than you will probably ever have the opportunity to do in your lifetime. So, I think I will value his opinion over yours.

Bubbajwp
03-24-2007, 09:42 PM
Well Bubba, OMT gives you a couple right there, but I was refering to Mike Mayock. He does this kind of stuff for a living, and watches more game tape in a week than you will probably ever have the opportunity to do in your lifetime. So, I think I will value his opinion over yours.

LOL just because you do something for a living doesnt mean your good at it. You can argue that their is 15 to 20 players better than Reggie Nelson but to say that their is that many DB alone is just stupid.

vtech9
03-24-2007, 09:47 PM
LOL just because you do something for a living doesnt mean your good at it. You can argue that their is 15 to 20 players better than Reggie Nelson but to say that their is that many DB alone is just stupid.

Well, if he wasn't considered good at his job, he probably wouldn't have it. Maybe you should go take his place.

Bubbajwp
03-24-2007, 09:54 PM
Well, if he wasn't considered good at his job, he probably wouldn't have it. Maybe you should go take his place.

Do you think most people on here think J McClain is good at his job. What about M Kiper. All they do is try to keep people interested. Do you think people are going to be interested in Kipers top 25 if it basically stays the same every time. They move people up and down their boards to make people wonder whats next and so at the end of the draft they can say see I had him their all along.

vtech9
03-24-2007, 10:06 PM
1st round---------------------

S LaRon Landry 6' 0 1/2" 213 4.35 LSU (most likely gone at this point)
or
CB Leon Hall 5' 11 1/4" 193 4.39 Michigan

2nd round ---------------------------

---no pick---

3rd round ---------------------------

if we couldn't get Landry,I would have to go with one of these three safeties:
S Sabby Piscitelli 6' 2 3/4" 224 4.47 Oregon St
S John Wendling 6' 1 1/4" 222 4.49 Wyoming
S Eric Weddle 5' 11 1/4" 203 4.49 Utah
if we do get Landry, I would go with:

DE Brian Robison 6 3 1/8 259 4.67 Texas

4th round ---------------------------

BPA
possibly
OT Doug Free 6 6 324 5.19 Northern Illinois
or
LB Zac DeOssie 6' 4 5/8" 250 4.58 Brown (could even fill in as a long snapper or an emergency QB) (could possibly be had later)


5th round ---------------------------

BPA
possibly
P Daniel Sepulveda 6' 2 7/8" 229 4.8 Baylor
OC Doug Datish 6' 4 1/8" 302 5.13 Ohio St

6th round ---------------------------

if he is still here I would grab this guy without a doubt:
WR David Ball 6' 0 7/8" 196 4.5 New Hampshire
otherwise,
CB Anthony Arline 6 1 199 4.43 Baylor
or
RB Steve Baylark 6' 0" 225 4.5 U Mass

7th round ---------------------------
this is definately a BPA...
maybe...
DE CJ Ah You 6 3 274 4.70 Oklahoma
QB Jared Zabransky 6 2 - 219 Boise State

UDFA--------------------------------
if we don't get Zabransky in the 7th, I would look for this guy as an undrafted free agent...
QB Jeff Smith 6' 6" 246 - Georgetown College (Kentucky)

sprtsfanatic
03-24-2007, 10:59 PM
1st round---------------------

S LaRon Landry 6' 0 1/2" 213 4.35 LSU (most likely gone at this point)
or
CB Leon Hall 5' 11 1/4" 193 4.39 Michigan

2nd round ---------------------------

---no pick---

3rd round ---------------------------

if we couldn't get Landry,I would have to go with one of these three safeties:
S Sabby Piscitelli 6' 2 3/4" 224 4.47 Oregon St
S John Wendling 6' 1 1/4" 222 4.49 Wyoming
S Eric Weddle 5' 11 1/4" 203 4.49 Utah
if we do get Landry, I would go with:

DE Brian Robison 6 3 1/8 259 4.67 Texas

4th round ---------------------------

BPA
possibly
OT Doug Free 6 6 324 5.19 Northern Illinois
or
LB Zac DeOssie 6' 4 5/8" 250 4.58 Brown (could even fill in as a long snapper or an emergency QB) (could possibly be had later)


5th round ---------------------------

BPA
possibly
P Daniel Sepulveda 6' 2 7/8" 229 4.8 Baylor
OC Doug Datish 6' 4 1/8" 302 5.13 Ohio St

6th round ---------------------------

if he is still here I would grab this guy without a doubt:
WR David Ball 6' 0 7/8" 196 4.5 New Hampshire
otherwise,
CB Anthony Arline 6 1 199 4.43 Baylor
or
RB Steve Baylark 6' 0" 225 4.5 U Mass

7th round ---------------------------
this is definately a BPA...
maybe...
DE CJ Ah You 6 3 274 4.70 Oklahoma
QB Jared Zabransky 6 2 - 219 Boise State

UDFA--------------------------------
if we don't get Zabransky in the 7th, I would look for this guy as an undrafted free agent...
QB Jeff Smith 6' 6" 246 - Georgetown College (Kentucky)

Interesting...but I would think you could get Sepulveda in the 6th...and try to fill another need in the 5th...but I am with you...we definetly need to draft Sepulveda if it takes the 5th so be it...take him in the 5th, but I would hope in the 6th.

vtech9
03-24-2007, 11:24 PM
Interesting...but I would think you could get Sepulveda in the 6th...and try to fill another need in the 5th...but I am with you...we definetly need to draft Sepulveda if it takes the 5th so be it...take him in the 5th, but I would hope in the 6th.
To be honest, I have seen Sepulveda rated as high as the 4th round. Stanley is great at downing punts inside the 20 yd line, but when he is backed up to the goal line, he kills us. Personally, I'm tired of it.

Bubbajwp
03-24-2007, 11:26 PM
To be honest, I have seen Sepulveda rated as high as the 4th round. Stanley is great at downing punts inside the 20 yd line, but when he is backed up to the goal line, he kills us. Personally, I'm tired of it.

I can agree 100% with that. He absolutely kills what little field position we actually have.

thunderkyss
03-24-2007, 11:42 PM
Hey Kastofsna, this is a bit OT, but I've gotta ask. How would you feel if the Dolphins picked up David Carr??

michaelm
03-24-2007, 11:45 PM
The Texans supposedly made a deal for Schaub because they were certain Brady Quinn wouldn't fall to 8.


A more accurate assessment, in my view ,would be that they traded for Schaub because they weren't certain Quinn would fall to 8.
A minor, but significant difference.

michaelm
03-24-2007, 11:52 PM
I'd laugh it if wasn't so sad...Overrated Levi to the eight and Atalnta...too funny. That would make #3 we let sail off into the sunset. Nice Mock...since we're one player away now that we have the franchise QB on board, and are going to the super bowl next year, might as well go whole haug there Kast and sitck Ginn jr. at the ten.


My God, you sound so pessimistic all the time. It makes me wonder if you're not one flat tire, or missed rerun of My Name is Earl away from deciding to just end it all.

threetoedpete
03-25-2007, 12:14 AM
My God, you sound so pessimistic all the time. It makes me wonder if you're not one flat tire, or missed rerun of My Name is Earl away from deciding to just end it all.

Nope just three years of people looking into the china shop and not seeing the bull wrecking the merchandise. Wanna be blissfull running off the cliff fine by me there half full guy. I just see the deal for what it was. Panic. Watching another summer with 10-6 season record picks based on this move is not my idea of fun.
There may be some wrist slitting yet. Won't be because I went up and down like a blind dog in the meat house.

kastofsna
03-25-2007, 01:27 AM
Hey Kastofsna, this is a bit OT, but I've gotta ask. How would you feel if the Dolphins picked up David Carr??
he'd be a fine backup to have, and i'd like him in cameron's offense as a spot starter. unlike harrington, he's actually accurate.

Gamehorn25
03-25-2007, 08:14 AM
What about Syvelle Newton from South Carolina? He plays QB, RB, WR, FS. He is the versitile starter at anything that we need. He should be around 6th-7th round

thunderkyss
03-25-2007, 09:24 AM
he'd be a fine backup to have, and i'd like him in cameron's offense as a spot starter. unlike harrington, he's actually accurate.

So how is Daunte coming along??

TexanExile
03-25-2007, 10:53 AM
How would you feel if the Dolphins picked up David Carr??

I can think of no better way to pay Miami back for Todd Wade and Morlon Greenwood.

:jk:

kastofsna
03-25-2007, 10:58 AM
i remember being dumbfounded at the contract greenwood received. absolutely dumbfounded.

DatTexBoy
03-25-2007, 05:31 PM
Quinn won't drop past the Bucs and Landry isn't falling out of the top ten. Terrible mock.

agreed.