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TexansSB07
03-22-2007, 06:23 AM
he did same thing praising Texans until they passed on Vince, then got all snotty. Well here it is again in 2007 Kolb is a possibility McClain is all sunshine and smiles, now with trade for Schub his mancrush Kolb will go elsewhere.

Here is John "Mancrush" McClain at his worst

Texans give up draft position, picks for QB Schaub
Falcons swap 10th pick for No. 8; will get second-round picks in 2007 and '08

makes it sound like we gave up 1st rounder and rest of draft, there there Johnny. Tennessee Titans still love and want you, ok until you do your poison pen act on them. Then they will want to trade you, for ANY writer who write for one of the free shopping papers you see outside grocery store:yahoo:

Titan "Tack" Fan
03-22-2007, 07:50 AM
No offense and I really hope he pans out for you guys, but it seems like you really did give away the farm. 2 second rounders is an awful lot. (im comparing this to the 5th rounder than we got for Bill Volek).

TEXANRED
03-22-2007, 07:50 AM
he did same thing praising Texans until they passed on Vince, then got all snotty. Well here it is again in 2007 Kolb is a possibility McClain is all sunshine and smiles, now with trade for Schub his mancrush Kolb will go elsewhere.

Here is John "Mancrush" McClain at his worst

Texans give up draft position, picks for QB Schaub
Falcons swap 10th pick for No. 8; will get second-round picks in 2007 and '08

makes it sound like we gave up 1st rounder and rest of draft, there there Johnny. Tennessee Titans still love and want you, ok until you do your poison pen act on them. Then they will want to trade you, for ANY writer who write for one of the free shopping papers you see outside grocery store:yahoo:

Those are straight facts with no commentaries.

If it sounds like we gave up a lot its b/c we did.

Trenches
03-22-2007, 07:57 AM
who the hell can say if Houston gave up 'too much' for Schaub?

If he turns out to be the player that most people are predicting, then I'd say its a GREAT trade in the Texans favor.

If your team is unsettled at QB and has a chance to get a franchise QB, YOU DO IT. There will be more draft picks every year as well as a few good free agents may actually want to sign on at 'market' because of the (hopefully) improvement.

Titan "Tack" Fan
03-22-2007, 07:58 AM
who the hell can say if Houston gave up 'too much' for Schaub?


Because it's human nature to have opinions about things.

the wonger need food
03-22-2007, 09:26 AM
No offense and I really hope he pans out for you guys, but it seems like you really did give away the farm. 2 second rounders is an awful lot. (im comparing this to the 5th rounder than we got for Bill Volek).

Given away the farm??? Over the past few years your Titans have drafted players like Tyrone Calico and Antwaan Odom in the 2nd round. Are you trying to say that Schaub isn't worth those two guys?

Porky
03-22-2007, 09:41 AM
The Seahawks gave up TWO Number 1 picks, AND a number 3 for Hasselbeck. The Pack gave up a #1 pick for Favre. At the time of the trade, neither had ever started, and had less throws in the league than Schaub. Were those bad trades too? Did those teams give up too much? Look what the Giants gave up a couple years ago just to get the rights to draft a rookie with ZERO experience in the league. Any trade is a gamble, but with the premium placed on the QB position, to say we gave up too much is just silly. If anything, we got a bargain in comparison.

NEROtheZERO
03-22-2007, 09:47 AM
No offense and I really hope he pans out for you guys, but it seems like you really did give away the farm. 2 second rounders is an awful lot. (im comparing this to the 5th rounder than we got for Bill Volek).

Well, obviously, trades are based on percieved talent and, obviously, Schaub's percieved talent trumps that of Billy Volek by a considerable margin.

Still, the Falcons already get an A+ on the trade. They got two seconds and moved up two spots for their back-up QB. The Texans grade hinges on Schaub's performace; if he lives up to his hype, the Texans get an A+, if not, the Texans get an F. That's really the crux of the trade.

CarolinaTexan
03-22-2007, 12:46 PM
i love how since we got demeco everyone assumes a 2nd rd. pick will result in a great player or star...Meco is the exception not the rule, how have the other 2nd round picks for the texans worked out?

OzzO
03-22-2007, 12:53 PM
Eh, J. Mac (http://blogs.chron.com/nfl/2007/03/what_schaub_could_mean_to_the.html)doesn't seem too phased by it. Wierd to see Carr's empty locker though.

Just what are the Texans getting? I spoke with several people who have been close observers of Schaub's first three years with the Falcons. I asked them about Schaub's intangibles. Here's the consensus: Schaub is a popular player who is polite and genuine. He can tell a joke and take a joke. He's a hard worker who spends a lot of time at the training facility. He spends a lot of time with his teammates. He gets along with offensive and defensive players. The recurring theme in their comments was that Schaub believes that camaraderie builds chemistry, and he's willing to put in the effort required to be a big-time quarterback in the NFL.

Those intangibles don't guarantee that Schaub will be successful with the Texans, but he's got what they've been looking for. Now it's up to Smith and Kubiak to continue to acquire players who can protect him and help him make big plays.

trutxn
03-22-2007, 12:56 PM
i love how since we got demeco everyone assumes a 2nd rd. pick will result in a great player or star...Meco is the exception not the rule, how have the other 2nd round picks for the texans worked out?

Thank you!

El Tejano
03-22-2007, 01:01 PM
No offense and I really hope he pans out for you guys, but it seems like you really did give away the farm. 2 second rounders is an awful lot. (im comparing this to the 5th rounder than we got for Bill Volek).

I see it as giving away a 2nd rounder in 2008. All we did is swap 1st rounders which now makes that OT look better at #10 or eight. We eliminated the decision to choose between Laron Landry or Reggie Nelson at #8 if we go that route.

It is probably more than likely we would've got a QB in the 2nd or 3rd round. Well Schaub is that 2nd rounder. If he works out well, that 2nd rounder in 08 doesn't mean nothing.

We would've taken more of a chance on a 1st round QB that would've demanded way more cash and hasn't played anything in the NFL.

Sounds like Kubes and Smith did their homework, talking to two coaches that worked with him in Denver and one that was the head coach at Virginia when Schaub played in college.

trutxn
03-22-2007, 01:01 PM
Because it's human nature to have opinions about things.

Not all opinions have to be negative. The same people insulting the FO will be the same ones kissing their rears when the team starts winning. Then all these great "philosophers" on this board and the Chronicle will say I told you so just to try to make themselves look good. The FO is already ahead of these people, at least they have admitted to mistakes.

austintexanite
03-22-2007, 01:03 PM
The Seahawks gave up TWO Number 1 picks, AND a number 3 for Hasselbeck. The Pack gave up a #1 pick for Favre. At the time of the trade, neither had ever started, and had less throws in the league than Schaub. Were those bad trades too? Did those teams give up too much? Look what the Giants gave up a couple years ago just to get the rights to draft a rookie with ZERO experience in the league. Any trade is a gamble, but with the premium placed on the QB position, to say we gave up too much is just silly. If anything, we got a bargain in comparison.

Forgot about the Hasselbeck deal...good info.

HoustonFrog
03-22-2007, 01:03 PM
I agree completely with the gist of this thread.

We were looking to move back or move up as it was. We only moved back 2 picks where we will still get a guy we were looking at. So it was basically 2 2nd rounders for Schaub. One of those covers a guy we would take in the draft. The other we can maybe recoup moving farther back and we still can hopefully get a 4th or at best a 3rd for Carr. Overall we upgraded to a young, experienced guy and in my book didn't sell the farm. I'm more excited about this season than I've been in a long time.

hollywood_texan
03-22-2007, 01:06 PM
The Seahawks gave up TWO Number 1 picks, AND a number 3 for Hasselbeck. The Pack gave up a #1 pick for Favre. At the time of the trade, neither had ever started, and had less throws in the league than Schaub. Were those bad trades too? Did those teams give up too much? Look what the Giants gave up a couple years ago just to get the rights to draft a rookie with ZERO experience in the league. Any trade is a gamble, but with the premium placed on the QB position, to say we gave up too much is just silly. If anything, we got a bargain in comparison.

It's only a bargain if Schuab pans out.

It's a gutsy move for Kubiak/Smith at this stage. I really don't understand why they had to pull the trigger on the QB position this year. They could have let Sage run the ship a little and see what shakes out by building out core parts of the team.

IMO, this is a clear signal they expect to be above .500 next year and compete for a playoff spot. It further means, that they believe Schuab can carry the offense on his back! No DAVID CARR excuses for Schuab! You don't give up the draft positions they did for a guy that is only going to need more help.

Right now, it's a great deal for Atlanta. But, time will tell if they unloaded the right guy.

Vinny
03-22-2007, 01:08 PM
It's only a bargain if Schuab pans out. Isn't that the rule for every trade ever?

CarolinaTexan
03-22-2007, 01:12 PM
Isn't that the rule for every trade ever?

lol thank you. how can anyone say we overpayed or got a good deal? if he takes us to the playoffs and puts up insane numbers then we got a sweet deal, if he sucks worse than carr (which i think is impossible), then we got ripped. I like shuab and i predict it will be a good deal, but he may suck big time in which case ill say it wasn't a good trade. Every draft pick and trade is a gamble, except for all the masterminds on this thread who can see the future and know everything.

trutxn
03-22-2007, 01:14 PM
This is the biggest attempt towards success that the Texans have ever made, outside of naming the franchise. I can't wait till opening game in the Bull Pen.

HoustonFrog
03-22-2007, 01:33 PM
This is the biggest attempt towards success that the Texans have ever made, outside of naming the franchise. I can't wait till opening game in the Bull Pen.

I agree in part. You can draft good guys and every year add through the draft but every once in awhile you have to get ballsy. We didn't last year with VY or anything but still had a solid draft after the 1st. This year we decided to shake things up. I couldn't be more excited. The stagnant ait year to year was getting to be too much.

El Tejano
03-22-2007, 02:13 PM
You lose out on 100% of trades you don't make.

At first I didn't like the deal. When I thought about how it was possible we would've used a 2nd on a QB anyway, it made a bit more sense. We made that OL, DL, or DB look more sexy at #10 than one would've at #8.

I realized my beef with trading was the fact we removed ourselves from the possibility of getting AP but then I thought of the fact we could get Marshawn Lynch or even trade down again from #10, get the OL in the 1st round and acquire a 2nd rounder that could bring us a Kenny Irons or a really good CB.

The best part of it though was when I read how much homework Kubes and Smith did. Talking to former players/coaches who worked with Kubes and Schuab and then even his college coach. This lead me to believe they just didn't go on the hype, they got it from coaches.

I honestly hate to see that Carr didn't succeed here for whatever reason, I really wanted to see him make us a winner. However our team just showed us as fans that mediocre play will not be tolerated and to me that goes along way.