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BakoBrett
03-22-2007, 01:57 AM
This lesson is prepared by the Houston Texans front office:

Rule #1: Give up on your QB when the real problem was the offensive line. David Carr had the 15th ranked passer rating in the league with 82.1. Ahead of guys like Hasselbeck, Eli Manning, Alex smith, Jon Kitna, Brett Favre.

Rule #2: Give up 2 2nd round picks (that's right I said 2 2nd round picks AND switch first round draft picks) for a QB who hasn't proven jack **** in the NFL.

This is the compensation as reported by ESPN's Jeremy Green.

Rule #3: Ignore issues on the offensive line and the best player to come out of college in the last 10 years for a project DE who still remains a huge question mark at this point. And the reason they did it? Because Mario Williams was the first to sign a contract.

Rule #4: Give a 30 year old RB who can't hold on to the ball and hardly run a 4 year 23 million dollar contract.

Bravo Houston, bravo!

swtbound07
03-22-2007, 02:02 AM
This lesson is prepared by the Houston Texans front office:

Rule #1: Give up on your QB when the real problem was the offensive line. David Carr had the 15th ranked passer rating in the league with 82.1. Ahead of guys like Hasselbeck, Eli Manning, Alex smith, Jon Kitna, Brett Favre.

Rule #2: Give up 2 2nd round picks (that's right I said 2 2nd round picks AND switch first round draft picks) for a QB who hasn't proven jack **** in the NFL.

This is the compensation as reported by ESPN's Jeremy Green.

Rule #3: Ignore issues on the offensive line and the best player to come out of college in the last 10 years for a project DE who still remains a huge question mark at this point. And the reason they did it? Because Mario Williams was the first to sign a contract.

Rule #4: Give a 30 year old RB who can't hold on to the ball and hardly run a 4 year 23 million dollar contract.

Bravo Houston, bravo!

Todays lesson:
Looking stupid in front of your 1000 closest cyber friends

1) Post a new thread because your outrage is somehow special, and unable to be confined in the 40 current topics on the subject

2) Use a mocking, condescending tone in all of your baseless content

3) Demonstrate no base knowledge of football or the team in question that you are referencing

4) Overrate Reggie Bush massively in paragraph 3.

Thanks for stopping by....now if you'd kindly return where from you came, we would all be better off.

swtbound07
03-22-2007, 02:03 AM
server made me double post

ledzeppelin229
03-22-2007, 02:03 AM
This lesson is prepared by the Houston Texans front office:

Rule #1: Give up on your QB when the real problem was the offensive line. David Carr had the 15th ranked passer rating in the league with 82.1. Ahead of guys like Hasselbeck, Eli Manning, Alex smith, Jon Kitna, Brett Favre.

Rule #2: Give up 2 2nd round picks (that's right I said 2 2nd round picks AND switch first round draft picks) for a QB who hasn't proven jack **** in the NFL.

This is the compensation as reported by ESPN's Jeremy Green.

Rule #3: Ignore issues on the offensive line and the best player to come out of college in the last 10 years for a project DE who still remains a huge question mark at this point. And the reason they did it? Because Mario Williams was the first to sign a contract.

Rule #4: Give a 30 year old RB who can't hold on to the ball and hardly run a 4 year 23 million dollar contract.

Bravo Houston, bravo!


I'll take "hasn't proven jack ****" over "has proven sucks ass" every day of the week.

*Sorry David, don't take it personally.

mikey21
03-22-2007, 02:04 AM
I totally agree, it still blows me away about last years draft and now giving up two 2nd rounders for a guy that is unproven, will the team ever learn? chamionship teams are built through the draft, the Texans can not keep giving away picks like this

Let's try this again
03-22-2007, 02:04 AM
This lesson is prepared by the Houston Texans front office:

Rule #1: Give up on your QB when the real problem was the offensive line. David Carr had the 15th ranked passer rating in the league with 82.1. Ahead of guys like Hasselbeck, Eli Manning, Alex smith, Jon Kitna, Brett Favre.

Rule #2: Give up 2 2nd round picks (that's right I said 2 2nd round picks AND switch first round draft picks) for a QB who hasn't proven jack **** in the NFL.

This is the compensation as reported by ESPN's Jeremy Green.

Rule #3: Ignore issues on the offensive line and the best player to come out of college in the last 10 years for a project DE who still remains a huge question mark at this point. And the reason they did it? Because Mario Williams was the first to sign a contract.

Rule #4: Give a 30 year old RB who can't hold on to the ball and hardly run a 4 year 23 million dollar contract.

Bravo Houston, bravo!

a little bitter i see

DarkNinja
03-22-2007, 02:09 AM
It just cracks me up....:yikes:

ATX
03-22-2007, 02:09 AM
Considering the Texans have only found one good pick in the 2nd round(Ryans), this is a steal. I'd rather have anything over Carr and I can only hope that Schaub does well here. This is going to be a totally different Texans Team when next season rolls around.

mikey21
03-22-2007, 02:12 AM
Considering the Texans have only found one good pick in the 2nd round(Ryans), this is a steal. I'd rather have anything over Carr and I can only hope that Schaub does well here. This is going to be a totally different Texans Team when next season rolls around.

I agree the Texans will be different next year, but the real question is will the Texans be better

ATX
03-22-2007, 02:16 AM
I agree the Texans will be different next year, but the real question is will the Texans be better

Schaub-Carr

Green, Dayne, etc.- Dayne, etc.

More weapons on offense, plus draft....

I've had enough of Carr to realize he isn't very good. He's still on a college level IMHO, if that. Maybe we'll sucker a 3rd rounder for him.

STEEL BLUE TEXANS
03-22-2007, 02:28 AM
Today's Quote of the Day: "It is better to say nothing and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt."

Ole Miss Texan
03-22-2007, 02:31 AM
Rule #1: Give up on your QB when the real problem was the offensive line. David Carr had the 15th ranked passer rating in the league with 82.1. Ahead of guys like Hasselbeck, Eli Manning, Alex smith, Jon Kitna, Brett Favre.

Offensive line does need work. A new C esp. 2006 draft, Kubiak addressed the OT position with both of our 3rd round picks. Eric Winston was thought to be a 1st rd talent at one point but fell due to injury. He is now our starting RT and seems to be progressing and learing fairly well. Charles Spencer was an amazing pick and pretty much an instant starter at LT which is almost unheard of. Was having a very promising rookie season before he got injured. Pitts and Weary are good guards and not old. Flannigan was brought in, he's old and done, but brought mainly for the system and having a veteran leadership with the 2 young guys and helping coach them. Signed a FA in Jordan Black, good depth for us to have and could be starter due to injuries...they hurt us bad last season.

Please don't pay attention to passer rating. I see you're one to get caught up in that and box score and stats type stuff. It's overrated. Carr's completion pct. was great because its easy to complete short routes and dump offs. You're making Carr out to be a great QB, which he was not for us last season. you had me at oline...but lost me when you brought up passer rating.

Rule #2: Give up 2 2nd round picks (that's right I said 2 2nd round picks AND switch first round draft picks) for a QB who hasn't proven jack **** in the NFL.

This is the compensation as reported by ESPN's Jeremy Green.

I'll agree with you on this, it kind of troubles me. Just because we need those picks and he is 'unproven'. It does save us from taking qb with the 1st pick. if we didn't do that, we may have taken one with that 2nd pick. the swapping of 1st rounds doesnt bother me...its two spots..psssh. Basically Schaub was our 2nd rd pick. The '08 2nd was compensation for having a better prospect in Schaub than stanton/edwards/kolb. for already having 3 years of holding the clipboard and learning the WCO. For taking some snaps behind a marginally better oline in real game time experience. We also don't have to wait on our QB to develop because he's already there...and don't have to endure Carr. We also don't have to see sage starting for us...who may be good but he's just as unproven as schaub so don't use that arguement...we've only seen him in garbage time and he's been a backup his whole career..hardly worth calling him a starter.

Rule #3: Ignore issues on the offensive line and the best player to come out of college in the last 10 years for a project DE who still remains a huge question mark at this point. And the reason they did it? Because Mario Williams was the first to sign a contract.

Well if by that you just mean the 1st pick in the draft last year...we can only draft one position. if we took RB...well we didn't address the OL with D'brick or QB with VY..etc. The whole 1st pick last year is another arguement we've had for too long. I don't care we passed on RB. awesome awesome athlete but he wouldn't have thrived on our team for another few years. I love the Mario pick, he had both his toenails removed on his big toes before the season and played the whole season w/ plantar fascitis which is very painful. he got cortisone shots everygame which wore off and played half the game through pain. Notched 4.5 sacks...while not what we expected it was .5 sack less than babin..who led the team w/ 5. Mario played everyposition on the line which didn't help him out. Mario is more of a run stopper than a pass rusher...you could see that when teams gameplanned around him and the QB's audibled all the running plays to go the opposite side of the field. He's going to be a monster next season and his career...let's just hope he stays healthy! And don't think for a minute it was because he was easier to sign. might be a small part to it..but a lot more went into the decision...which we never know to the full extent. Bush being shady and ignoring McNair for 2 days...when he wouldn't return his phone call...is saying a lot about his character esp. to your potential new boss..

Rule #4: Give a 30 year old RB who can't hold on to the ball and hardly run a 4 year 23 million dollar contract.

I like the signing of Ahman Green. He's a great fit for the system and a great leader to have in the locker room. He has played very well, better than we can say about any of our RB's. He's a very good blocker too, something that we'll need to protect Carr..eerrr...Schaub. He has a decent contract too. Its only $6.5 million guaranteed unlike the other FA RB's who have $12 million guaranteed. Its also set up where we can use him for 2 seasons. He's not meant to be our long term franchise RB, he's exactly what we need right now. Don't pay attention to the total amount of a FA salary..at least completely..the guaranteed portion is very important.

So yes, Bravo Houston, Bravo!! Turn us into a playoff team! and Please for the love of God let us get a decent draft pick for CARR!!!!!!

Grid
03-22-2007, 02:32 AM
I totally agree, it still blows me away about last years draft and now giving up two 2nd rounders for a guy that is unproven, will the team ever learn? chamionship teams are built through the draft, the Texans can not keep giving away picks like this

?

Giving away picks like this? I think this will be the first year that we will go into the draft WITHOUT extra picks.

Specnatz
03-22-2007, 02:33 AM
Todays lesson:
Looking stupid in front of your 1000 closest cyber friends

1) Post a new thread because your outrage is somehow special, and unable to be confined in the 40 current topics on the subject

2) Use a mocking, condescending tone in all of your baseless content

3) Demonstrate no base knowledge of football or the team in question that you are referencing

4) Overrate Reggie Bush massively in paragraph 3.

Thanks for stopping by....now if you'd kindly return where from you came, we would all be better off.



This post is all about how not getting over how he wanted to snuggle up to Reggies Jock and Texans Mgt messed it all up.

Not being able to get past the past will cause you to live in the past, not the present or the future.

Ole Miss Texan
03-22-2007, 02:33 AM
Considering the Texans have only found one good pick in the 2nd round(Ryans), this is a steal. I'd rather have anything over Carr and I can only hope that Schaub does well here. This is going to be a totally different Texans Team when next season rolls around.

This will be different and we're going to be better IMO. The thing that gets me about the 2nd rd picks though....we havn't historically been good but that was all thrown out the window.

Demeco was great but that was w/ Kubiak...so as far as im concerned he's batting 1.000 w/ 2nd round pics..

beerlover
03-22-2007, 02:55 AM
first off this was an excellent move on the Falcons part:


avoiding QB controversy
choice of picks- Landry/Brown
two 2nd rd. picks will help them re-tool w/talented young players
sends a positive message to Vick that he's their guy


for the Texans part, after getting over the shock, there are some positives:


long term will save the Texans money & help restructure their cap mess
officially signals the end of the David Carr era
Matt is a better QB prospect than anyone in this draft not named Russell or Quinn
the Texans will not be forced to draft a QB to develop, basicly he is the 2nd rd. pick

Ole Miss Texan
03-22-2007, 02:58 AM
first off this was an excellent move on the Falcons part:


avoiding QB controversy
choice of picks- Landry/Brown
two 2nd rd. picks will help them re-tool w/talented young players
sends a positive message to Vick that he's their guy


for the Texans part, after getting over the shock, there are some positives:


long term will save the Texans money & help restructure their cap mess
officially signals the end of the David Carr era
Matt is a better QB prospect than anyone in this draft not named Russell or Quinn
the Texans will not be forced to draft a QB to develop, basicly he is the 2nd rd. pick


and we can address another player at 10 which will be at a need position instead of taking a QB in the first IF one was there. (again rookie QB, 1st rd pick $$$, may have to sit a few games-a season) other player will start day 1.

Napa Auto Parts
03-22-2007, 03:29 AM
This lesson is prepared by the Houston Texans front office:



Rule #3: Ignore issues on the offensive line and the best player to come out of college in the last 10 years for a project DE who still remains a huge question mark at this point. And the reason they did it? Because Mario Williams was the first to sign a contract.


Bravo Houston, bravo!


Are you referring to Vince Young? David would of gotten bench along time ago if we would drafted the right choice wich was VY Roger Carr i mean BakoBarret. :sarcasm:


and like another poster said aint proved jack **** for lack of a chance is better than aint worth a **** for 5 years with plenty of chances.

tsip
03-22-2007, 04:28 AM
Ok, so our 2nd rounder this yr is like getting our new QB-no other QB in the draft would come to us with experience. We switch a couple places in the first round-no biggie'-we'll still get a 1st day starter...next yrs 2nd rd is what we lose w/o something in return and that might be covered with a draft choice for Carr...

Many of you that are 'upset' gave Carr 5 yrs 'cart blanche' at $60 million to try and become an NFL QB, so take a chill pill and give the new guy a 'little' time.

Ole Miss Texan
03-22-2007, 04:33 AM
Ok, so our 2nd rounder this yr is like getting our new QB-no other QB in the draft would come to us with experience. We switch a couple places in the first round-no biggie'-we'll still get a 1st day starter...next yrs 2nd rd is what we lose w/o something in return and that might be covered with a draft choice for Carr...

Many of you that are 'upset' gave Carr 5 yrs 'cart blanche' at $60 million to try and become an NFL QB, so take a chill pill and give the new guy a 'little' time.

yea, basically the 2008 2nd round choice is for assurance we wouldn't get in a bidding war with other teams for him. basically a rookie QB that has been learning the WCO and in the nfl for 3 years instead of 0. and for grooming him for 3 years, allowing us to start him day 1.

instead w/ the rookie we'd have to wait a 2 years...and schaub is a better prospect than kolb/stanton/edwards imo.

coachdent
03-22-2007, 08:04 AM
Considering the Texans have only found one good pick in the 2nd round(Ryans), this is a steal. I'd rather have anything over Carr and I can only hope that Schaub does well here. This is going to be a totally different Texans Team when next season rolls around.

A "steal"?

I don't think there is a person on the face of this entire earth besides you who would characterize this as a steal for the Texans. Many have characterized it as a steal in the other direction. But it wasn't any kind of a steal for us.

Errant Hothy
03-22-2007, 08:05 AM
I'd say Schaub is a better prospect then Quinn, and less of a risk then Russell.

Schaub's transition to our O shouldn't take that long (probably just a vocab change) compared to Quinn or Russell. Also Schaub won't be shocked by the speed fo the game, unlike Quinn and Russell. Schaub also has a better chance of establishing leadership with this team sonner then Quinn or Russell, seeing as the later are a pair of rookies.

As for the price we paid, it ain't draft day yet children, so let's wait untill then to see what comes of all of this. And don't forget that our second round selection history is spotty at best.

Malloy
03-22-2007, 08:09 AM
server made me double post

Actually it needed being said, twice :)

Errant Hothy
03-22-2007, 08:18 AM
Schaub + whomever @ #10 > whomever @ #10 + Whomever @ #39(I think)+ Carr

Math proves everything, boys and girls.

Mr teX
03-22-2007, 08:21 AM
first off this was an excellent move on the Falcons part:


avoiding QB controversy
choice of picks- Landry/Brown
two 2nd rd. picks will help them re-tool w/talented young players
sends a positive message to Vick that he's their guy


for the Texans part, after getting over the shock, there are some positives:


long term will save the Texans money & help restructure their cap mess
officially signals the end of the David Carr era
Matt is a better QB prospect than anyone in this draft not named Russell or Quinn
the Texans will not be forced to draft a QB to develop, basicly he is the 2nd rd. pick


Couldn't have said it better myself.

- Shaub is our 2nd round pick this year
- we still remain in the top 10 of the draft, basically ensuring us a playmaker regardless
- & we upgrade the QB position

Theoridic
03-22-2007, 08:28 AM
WOW i swear no one will ever be completly happy with what our front office does.

1.I do firmly beleive that they will move to get who they want in the draft to fill positions.

2.Carr will be good trade bait in the draft and as for Green he is proven himself to be a great running back. Sharing runs with Dayne will let him rest up enough to run for 1200 yards at least.

I was one of the few who didn't care if Carr was here or not i think he can be like trent dilfer given a good line. But I also love great passing games so shaub may in fact bring this aspect to the texans. We are one receiver away and 1 or two O-linemen (pending spencer) away from a very effective offense.

Our defense needs one more very solid secondary player and a d-line force to be great. I like what has been going on and this is Kubes sophmore year, let him show us what he can do.

I know this a place to release your frustrations, but if you don't like it then go pull for another team

Also I miss some of the old discussions that were more about football than CARR and WHY THIS FRANCHISE IS SCREWED

Texans in 07 REC. (10-6)

:texan:

HuttoKarl
03-22-2007, 08:28 AM
yea, basically the 2008 2nd round choice is for assurance we wouldn't get in a bidding war with other teams for him. basically a rookie QB that has been learning the WCO and in the nfl for 3 years instead of 0. and for grooming him for 3 years, allowing us to start him day 1.

instead w/ the rookie we'd have to wait a 2 years...and schaub is a better prospect than kolb/stanton/edwards imo.

Nice post...I'd give you some rep, but it won't let me.