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So Cal Texan
03-21-2007, 11:31 PM
?1)If we were trading for a starting QB like say Alex Smith or hell Vick I could understand giving up two 2nd rd picks and a flip flop of picks.Those guys have both actually proven something very important in my opinion, that they can win games. but not some guy who's simply regarded as the best bench warmer. And dont kid yourself thats all he is right now...a bench warmer!!

?2) Good question.....I have no idea. I think we should have waited until next year when he would have become a FA and /or picked up a QB in this or next years draft. Don't get me wrong I'm fully aware this guy could be the next Brett Favre, but the risk factor compared to the payout scares me right now.( I believe there's an economic term for this but it left me)

?3) I would have considered flip flopping 1st rounders and next years 2nd for Schaub. But on a team lacking depth and quality starters I believe those 2nd rd picks should be valued over an unproven QB. That's possibly two starters on the Texans swiss cheese roster.:beerfunnel: ( this guys awesome!!)


If it happens I'll root my a** off for him every Sunday anyway sooooo.....GO :logo: !!!!

We did trade for a starting QB. He will start for the Texans.

I'm glad you would be willing to trade 2 second round picks for Alex Smith or Vick. Yet, that begs the question.... Do you honestly think anyone would trade these two players or any other successful QB for 2 second round picks? You might be able... no, in fact, I would be willing to bet you could trade for David Carr for less than that. Do you want David Carr? Just who do you think you could get for 2 second round picks? Does it even matter that Atlanta offered him the maximum allowed to stay with the Falcons and he turned them down. That sounds really stupid of Atlanta to offer all that, just for a "bench warmer", doesn't it? He wanted out of Atlanta, and wanted a chance to start.

I seriously doubt that Atlanta would have let him become a UFA. Then they would not have received anything for him. And who would you draft in the next 2 years that has 3 years of NFL experience already? And do what with them, sit them on the bench behind who for all that time. I'm sure the Texan fans would love to skate along until he may or may not develop.

Who knows how good or bad he will be, but Brett Farve was a bench warmer in Atlanta until they traded him. And, Tom Brady was a bench warmer before he got his shot. And you can add the Cowboys QB to that list, too.

Honestly, I was hoping that Kevin Kolb would be snatched up by the Texans, but with Matt Schaub on board, they Texans can see what he can do now, not wait another 2 or 3 years.

michaelm
03-21-2007, 11:41 PM
Cost of acquiring Schaub:

1) Swap #8 for #10 overall - This is a wash, pretty much, It may actually work in our favor if we get the same player two picks later and don't end up paying #8 money to a guy who is actually a #10 value. Levi Brown is an example, and now a good player to consider from a value perspective, and also as a value added pick to benefit our new QB.

2) 2007 2nd round pick - Schaub is better and more ready (IMO) than any QB we would have reasonably had a shot at in the second round. Also frees up our #8 pick for BPA instead of Quinn, who wouldn't be BPA (IMO) at that spot. Others will disagree on Quinn, and I respect that... that's just how I feel. I never was comfortable with the idea of BQ at #8.

3) 2008 2nd round pick - This is the luxury tax we paid ATL to train our 2007 starting QB for us the past three years. Schaub should (will) be our starting QB from snap #1 this year... no rookie QB in this draft class is as ready as he is to start an NFL game. We will not have to pay #8 money to a rookie QB to sit on our bench for a year or two.


* Hidden Value

1) No more Carr controversy.
2) Player confidence should be higher with Schaub than with Carr, who arguably lost his team mates this year.
3) The fans should be more optimistic, and excited on opening day, versus the same team with DC still at the helm. Ticket sales may increase? Ok, that might be a reach...
4) The collective creativity of this message board will increase now that other topics will be needed to replace the 10,000 Carr threads.

Vinny
03-21-2007, 11:50 PM
"rollhan", perhaps. hahaha

Roll Rohan roll! I wanted to draft him in the 3rd round in 2002 and not pick a QB first overall. I think he trying to make the Cardinals this year.

Napa Auto Parts
03-21-2007, 11:54 PM
Thank You Baby Jesus

kcwilson
03-21-2007, 11:56 PM
Cost of acquiring Schaub:

1) Swap #8 for #10 overall - This is a wash, pretty much, It may actually work in our favor if we get the same player two picks later and don't end up paying #8 money to a guy who is actually a #10 value. Levi Brown is an example, and now a good player to consider from a value perspective, and also as a value added pick to benefit our new QB.

2) 2007 2nd round pick - Schaub is better and more ready (IMO) than any QB we would have reasonably had a shot at in the second round. Also frees up our #8 pick for BPA instead of Quinn, who wouldn't be BPA (IMO) at that spot. Others will disagree on Quinn, and I respect that... that's just how I feel. I never was comfortable with the idea of BQ at #8.

3) 2008 2nd round pick - This is the luxury tax we paid ATL to train our 2007 starting QB for us the past three years. Schaub should (will) be our starting QB from snap #1 this year... no rookie QB in this draft class is as ready as he is to start an NFL game. We will not have to pay #8 money to a rookie QB to sit on our bench for a year or two.


* Hidden Value

1) No more Carr controversy.
2) Player confidence should be higher with Schaub than with Carr, who arguably lost his team mates this year.
3) The fans should be more optimistic, and excited on opening day, versus the same team with DC still at the helm. Ticket sales may increase? Ok, that might be a reach...
4) The collective creativity of this message board will increase now that other topics will be needed to replace the 10,000 Carr threads.

I don't buy the rationale of it really only costs us one 2nd round pick. Mostly because the learning curve that any qb that hasn't played much is minimal in practice and is mostly learned on the field... whether it is Schaub or any other drafted QB, they both have to make those decisions at NFL speed, which you can't always get in practice.

Schaub hasn't proven anything yet... the guy was great in Spring camp... so was Wali Lundy... This isn't to say that I am against the acquisition... I see it as a risk the GM was willing to take on an educated guess that Schaub is closer to ready to play than any other rookie. I don't believe they have confidence in Carr.

I think GMs need to take some risks, and this one is worth taking. It could backfire, it could work out... time will tell. I don't think they wanted to take QUinn or trade up for him and felt as if they didn't want to rely on a qb in the 2nd or 3rd... They are making a move, and I applaud the boldness in trying to being what htey believe to be winning players to the team.

Good job and best of luck to us!!!

Napa Auto Parts
03-21-2007, 11:59 PM
I hope David Carr's relatives still stay around to post and keep us updated how the david is coping with the news. i wont name them but i think its pretty easy to figure out.

Texans Pride
03-22-2007, 12:02 AM
Cost of acquiring Schaub:

1) Swap #8 for #10 overall - This is a wash, pretty much, It may actually work in our favor if we get the same player two picks later and don't end up paying #8 money to a guy who is actually a #10 value. Levi Brown is an example, and now a good player to consider from a value perspective, and also as a value added pick to benefit our new QB.

2) 2007 2nd round pick - Schaub is better and more ready (IMO) than any QB we would have reasonably had a shot at in the second round. Also frees up our #8 pick for BPA instead of Quinn, who wouldn't be BPA (IMO) at that spot. Others will disagree on Quinn, and I respect that... that's just how I feel. I never was comfortable with the idea of BQ at #8.

3) 2008 2nd round pick - This is the luxury tax we paid ATL to train our 2007 starting QB for us the past three years. Schaub should (will) be our starting QB from snap #1 this year... no rookie QB in this draft class is as ready as he is to start an NFL game. We will not have to pay #8 money to a rookie QB to sit on our bench for a year or two.


* Hidden Value

1) No more Carr controversy.
2) Player confidence should be higher with Schaub than with Carr, who arguably lost his team mates this year.
3) The fans should be more optimistic, and excited on opening day, versus the same team with DC still at the helm. Ticket sales may increase? Ok, that might be a reach...
4) The collective creativity of this message board will increase now that other topics will be needed to replace the 10,000 Carr threads.

I like this arguement, excellent post. It makes me feel better about the value as well.

michaelm
03-22-2007, 12:02 AM
I don't buy the rationale of it really only costs us one 2nd round pick. Mostly because the learning curve that any qb that hasn't played much is minimal in practice and is mostly learned on the field... whether it is Schaub or any other drafted QB, they both have to make those decisions at NFL speed, which you can't always get in practice.


Right. And any rookie QB that comes in here has none of the aforementioned experience at NFL speed, and is ALSO 3 years behind Schaub as far as NFL experience overall.
You can't tell me that three years of practice, spot playing time, and NFL coaching doesn't give Schaub and edge, regardless of how much you may want to. We know for a fact that Schaub can throw for 300 yards and three TDs against an NFL defense... in the regular season. OK, 298... if your splitting hairs.

Second Honeymoon
03-22-2007, 12:08 AM
Cost of acquiring Schaub:

1) Swap #8 for #10 overall - This is a wash, pretty much, It may actually work in our favor if we get the same player two picks later and don't end up paying #8 money to a guy who is actually a #10 value. Levi Brown is an example, and now a good player to consider from a value perspective, and also as a value added pick to benefit our new QB.

2) 2007 2nd round pick - Schaub is better and more ready (IMO) than any QB we would have reasonably had a shot at in the second round. Also frees up our #8 pick for BPA instead of Quinn, who wouldn't be BPA (IMO) at that spot. Others will disagree on Quinn, and I respect that... that's just how I feel. I never was comfortable with the idea of BQ at #8.

3) 2008 2nd round pick - This is the luxury tax we paid ATL to train our 2007 starting QB for us the past three years. Schaub should (will) be our starting QB from snap #1 this year... no rookie QB in this draft class is as ready as he is to start an NFL game. We will not have to pay #8 money to a rookie QB to sit on our bench for a year or two.


* Hidden Value

1) No more Carr controversy.
2) Player confidence should be higher with Schaub than with Carr, who arguably lost his team mates this year.
3) The fans should be more optimistic, and excited on opening day, versus the same team with DC still at the helm. Ticket sales may increase? Ok, that might be a reach...
4) The collective creativity of this message board will increase now that other topics will be needed to replace the 10,000 Carr threads.

its not that bad of a deal especially if we can get anything at all for Carr. Getting Schaub in the 2nd round is almost worth a 2nd round in itself. The move back was probably strategic so they can pay less and still get their guy.

Someone is going to drop and we will be there waiting at #10. We should have a good first day haul. Landry/Nelson/Hall/Branch/Gaines at #10 and Schaub in the 2nd Round and maybe a Center in the 3rd round (maybe Satele falls to us). That would be a great 1st day and if you get anything pre-draft for Carr, then all the better. The sky isnt falling. Lets see what happens.

texman8
03-22-2007, 12:11 AM
Roll Rohan roll! I wanted to draft him in the 3rd round in 2002 and not pick a QB first overall. I think he trying to make the Cardinals this year.

I'm assuming you're talking about Rohan Davey; I saw him on some Arena Football team on ESPN.

Specnatz
03-22-2007, 12:26 AM
Yeah, Gaffney really stunk it up in the AFC Championship Game. Read some of my other rants on some of our questionable draft picks made by the former regime.



Yeah ok Gaffney sucked here and everyone said he was a poor route runner and could not do crap. He goes to philly signs a 1yr deal and is cut. yet he goes to the Patriots, with Tom Brady throwing to him and he is made to look like an all star, yet the Patriots went out and spent a bunch of jack on an all new reciever corps and you want to bring up his play in one freakin game? If he was so damn good why did the Patriots go get all new recvrs?????

TexasFight
03-22-2007, 12:26 AM
i thought the problems were caused by casserly but clearly the texans organization is still headed by some idiots.

schaub cost 2 mid-high second rounders and moving down in the first round 2 spots. the guy played sparingly in the past seasons. as unproven as you can get.

mcGahee cost 2 mid-low third rounders and a seventh rounder. i think everyone knows what this guy can do.

plummer would have cost miami a fourth rounder. i would take him over schaub.

hall (DE) cost a fifth rounder.

the dude had one good game in his career. he is the same as carr, if not worse. sad....so sad.

Specnatz
03-22-2007, 12:29 AM
A)You obviously have some man-love for the guy.
B)His stat line doesn't exactly bear out any of your claims.
C)I remember Lundy looking GREAT in preseason.
D)The Jets have been looking for a QB since Namath retired.
E) Since when did DC get old? Oh yeah....249 sacks ago.
I'm no Carr lover and no Schaub hater. I just think we paid too much (as usual) for him. If he turns out to be gr8, I guess I'll hafta eat my words. I also believe that there ARE lots of QB's with POTENTIAL out there. There just aren't that many PROVEN good QB's to choose from.

Will you at least comeback to the board and say ...... Yeah I was wrong? This is one prob I have with most people on boards it is that they claim this or that but will not own up to it, why? Because they have no heart or stones.

I agree it is a lot to give up for Schaub, but damn so would waiting on three years for another QB to develop.

bad
03-22-2007, 12:30 AM
I haven't read a single post in this thread so I'll just state my observations:

Wow...

It's about time.

If I could have my pick of any available QB it would be Schaub. I'm thrilled by this move. Now the Draft is coming up. It hasn't been this exciting to be a Texans fan - at least for me - since 19-10.

This means Carr will no longer be a Texan. I think it's a good move that would have been a great move one year ago.

Say goodbye to David Carr threads.

Say hello to Matt Schaub threads.

Say goodbye to all the Carr supporters who only followed the Texans as a necessary afterthought.

Say hello to the Schaub Mob.

Napa Auto Parts
03-22-2007, 12:32 AM
i said years ago this franchise will never be able to be succesfull until it got rid of the three C's and thanks to Baby Jesus we are almost to that point







Thank You Baby Jesus

Second Honeymoon
03-22-2007, 12:34 AM
Say hello to the Schaub Mob.


i like it. The Schaub Mob. rolls right off the tongue

michaelm
03-22-2007, 12:34 AM
i said years ago this franchise will never be able to be succesfull until it got rid of the three C's and thanks to Baby Jesus we are almost to that point







Thank You Baby Jesus

Damn... did you lose an avatar bet or something???

Second Honeymoon
03-22-2007, 12:35 AM
i said years ago this franchise will never be able to be succesfull until it got rid of the three C's and thanks to Baby Jesus we are almost to that point







Thank You Baby Jesus

yup, one to go.

Specnatz
03-22-2007, 12:39 AM
i thought the problems were caused by casserly but clearly the texans organization is still headed by some idiots.

schaub cost 2 mid-high second rounders and moving down in the first round 2 spots. the guy played sparingly in the past seasons. as unproven as you can get.

mcGahee cost 2 mid-low third rounders and a seventh rounder. i think everyone knows what this guy can do.

plummer would have cost miami a fourth rounder. i would take him over schaub.

hall (DE) cost a fifth rounder.

the dude had one good game in his career. he is the same as carr, if not worse. sad....so sad.



OK you are comparing an injury prone RB in McGhee and Jake "the mistake" Plummer to a guy who by so many has more football savy in him that Jakes big toe? OK you can do that but everyone has talked up Schaub over the last two years and the asking price was always 1first and at least 1 second plus. Now we get him for cheaper than that and you are upset? Have you seen him play? Have you studied game film? Probably not, give the guy a chance and see what he does then let it fly!! OK??

Some of you like nothing better than to trash a player, no matter if it is some kid coming out of college who has no choice where he is drafted or a player for being traded when he has no choice, and neither of them you have ever seen play all you do is look at stats and make a judgement. If you fools were morking for the steelers, Bradshaw would have been gone after one year. OK, bad example because most you diaper wearing numskulls were still thinking about pooping your pants back then.

dirty steve
03-22-2007, 12:58 AM
mcGahee cost 2 mid-low third rounders and a seventh rounder. i think everyone knows what this guy can do.
plummer would have cost miami a fourth rounder. i would take him over schaub.
hall (DE) cost a fifth rounder.
the dude had one good game in his career. he is the same as carr, if not worse. sad....so sad.it's funny that willis thinks he is the best RB in the league. he clearly has the stats to not back that point. he has a pedestrian 3.9 YPC average of the course of his 46 game career and is coming off a season in which he couldn't even squeeze out 1000 on the ground and only had 6 touchdowns.

Ole Miss Texan
03-22-2007, 01:00 AM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2807051

Can someone please explain a little about the Tender they put on Schaub..i understand the gist of it..1st and 3rd and all but at the bottom of the article it mentions 2.3 million.

for example. we had the option of putting a 2nd rd tender on vonta leach for like 450k right?

So did the Falcons pay Schaub or the nfl offices $2.3 million for that tender? if they trade schaub do they still have to pay that amount? or is it voided because the tender wasn't used?

I think this is a good deal for both sides. esp atl since he wouldn't have played and they got 2 2nds of course..but if they still had to pay that 2.3 million bucks...thats a like a million bucks for each 2nd rd pick...kinda a lot !?

michaelm
03-22-2007, 01:21 AM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2807051

Can someone please explain a little about the Tender they put on Schaub..i understand the gist of it..1st and 3rd and all but at the bottom of the article it mentions 2.3 million.

for example. we had the option of putting a 2nd rd tender on vonta leach for like 450k right?

So did the Falcons pay Schaub or the nfl offices $2.3 million for that tender? if they trade schaub do they still have to pay that amount? or is it voided because the tender wasn't used?

I think this is a good deal for both sides. esp atl since he wouldn't have played and they got 2 2nds of course..but if they still had to pay that 2.3 million bucks...thats a like a million bucks for each 2nd rd pick...kinda a lot !?

$2.3 million tender was Schaub's salary as a RFA. Since he was RFA, any team could sign him to a higher offer sheet, and if the Falcons declined to match the higher offer, they would receive a 1st and 3rd round pick as compensation. These picks would come from the team that signed Schaub to the higher contract.
At least, I'm pretty sure that's how it works.

Ole Miss Texan
03-22-2007, 02:51 AM
$2.3 million tender was Schaub's salary as a RFA. Since he was RFA, any team could sign him to a higher offer sheet, and if the Falcons declined to match the higher offer, they would receive a 1st and 3rd round pick as compensation. These picks would come from the team that signed Schaub to the higher contract.
At least, I'm pretty sure that's how it works.

i just didn't get the 2.3 mill part. okay so they paid him $2.3 mill as his salary...or is that amount ontop of something?

because i remember reading 2 days ago about vonta leach. someone said for 450,000 we could have put a 2nd round pick compensation.. so was that 450 on top of his salary? and would that be paid to him?

so would this 2.3 million for schaub....is that ontop of his initial salary? or am i just thinking about this too much LOL

JAXwithanX
03-22-2007, 03:51 AM
Don't believe any contract details have been posted yet...here they are -

Schaub, whose trade to the Texans will be officially announced today, has signed a six-year contract worth $48 million, including $7 million guaranteed. He will make $20 million over the first three years.

If the Texans want to keep Schaub for the last three years of the deal, they will pay him the $10 million option bonus in March 2010. In March 2006, they gave David Carr an $8 million option bonus that extended his contract for three more years.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/4651834.html

(I stay up pretty late)

Edit - Apparently i've stayed up a little too late....didn't see the other thread posted 2 hours ago at 1am.

Andrew6
03-22-2007, 04:10 AM
Just a thought but do you think our management was sitting around playing madden and added players to our team via that way and thats how we ended up with Matt Schaub. just a thought.

Malloy
03-22-2007, 04:20 AM
no.

Ole Miss Texan
03-22-2007, 04:30 AM
i'll try the trade tomorrow and see what we could trade for schaub..lol.

is there a league rule or something about how far in the future you can trade draft picks?

i was thinking it'd be great if we traded somebody and was like okay we'll give you our 2nd round pick in the 2030 draft. if i was a GM i'd do something like that just for fun.

Like we give atlanta our 1st rd and 2nd rd this year, and our 2nd rd next year
for their 1st round this year, matt schaub, and a conditional 7th round pick in the 2030 draft...
lol i think that'd be funny.

Malloy
03-22-2007, 04:40 AM
Just as an example, would you give up 2 DeMeco Ryans for Matt Schaub? Theoretically, that's what we are doing.



I would consider that reaching for the mystery box too.

Malloy
03-22-2007, 05:15 AM
Who really cares about who said what in the past. Heck, I'll bet Kubiak and Smith didn't think they would be making this move three weeks ago!

The more pressing question is why are we trading away picks - going against our statements that we need more picks to fill holes? I am really confused by this move and can only hope that there is more to it that we simply don't see...

IMO the whole 'trade-away-picks' were in reference to moving up in the draft, getting fewer but better picks at the cost of the total number of picks. The Schaub-deal is a case of us actually getting a player for pick(s).

One pick for Schaub himself, another pick for getting a player that is not a rookie, a player that has had NFL-starts and knows the deal. I'm willing to give up a pick to avoid having a rookie sitting on the bench for a couple of years.

TexasFight
03-22-2007, 05:32 AM
BTW, i watched matt play back in virgina. he was good but nothing spectacular. not that it means anything in the NFL. hard for anyone, besides those in the falcons org, to comment on him since he has played in so few games.

perhaps my comments came off wrong as i think schaub has potential but i just dont agree with them spending 2 2nd rounders and moving down in the draft for a relatively unproven talent. i just think they overpaid.

we'll see what happens but IMHO its a bad move.

Malloy
03-22-2007, 05:38 AM
I have a few questions. What would you expect to pay for a starting QB? And who are you going to get? And at what bargain price. Correct me if I'm wrong, but a starting QB is probably this highest priced commodity in the NFL. If not, who is?

Not only is a starting QB the highest priced commodity in the NFL, it's also one of the most scarce. When it comes to QB's, the supply is very limited, sometimes you'll have to pay over the norm just to get SOMETHING that'll start.

Malloy
03-22-2007, 05:59 AM
In Hawaii, meat is more expensive than it is in Texas. However, it doesn't mean the meat is better, it's only more expensive because it isn't as readily available.

What it does mean is that if you WANT meat in Hawaii you'll have to pay for it, regardless of the quality :)

Maddict5
03-22-2007, 06:16 AM
this organization gets more and more stupid each day......here's to another 4 win season....

AGH!!! i specifically remember you constantly trashing carr last yr in the game thread...like the rap says "there'll always be haters that just the way it is"

thunderkyss
03-22-2007, 06:28 AM
Geez...so much hate out there. I'm deifinately a Texans fan AND I'm from Texas...just bought a house in Kingwood, by the way. I feel the same as you guys do. I'm just not going to go bonkers over a trade that looks, on the surface, like a bad deal for us. This is a deep draft at some positions we need to fill. Maybe the guy will come in and tear up the league, maybe he'll come in and , never mind, don't wanna jinx the guy...None of us know how this will turn out, but I know that I, for 1, would rather have my draft picks.

Explain how this looks like a bad deal to you again??

Atl wanted a 1st, and a 3rd in this years draft. They got neither. They got this years 2nd, next years 2nd, and swaping this years 1st(we lose 100 points on the value chart).........

I don't know Matt Schaub. But this isn't the first off-season I've heard his name as a possible starter in this league.

He was a first round prospect, but his stock fell to a third(due to injury). He's been a back-up in the WCO being groomed for 3 years.

kiwitexansfan
03-22-2007, 07:03 AM
Explain how this looks like a bad deal to you again??

Atl wanted a 1st, and a 3rd in this years draft. They got neither. They got this years 2nd, next years 2nd, and swaping this years 1st(we lose 100 points on the value chart).........

I don't know Matt Schaub. But this isn't the first off-season I've heard his name as a possible starter in this league.

He was a first round prospect, but his stock fell to a third(due to injury). He's been a back-up in the WCO being groomed for 3 years.

You make some good points here thunderkyss.

We got Schaub in an intelligent manner and he is the brightest prospect available to the Texans once it was decided Carr had come to the end of his usefulness.

texansfan1974
03-22-2007, 07:22 AM
:poker: My bet is this will all work out for the best and all the so called fans crying about this trade will be right there cheering GO TEXANS. They will hop on the bandwagon and act as if were with it all along.

texans83
03-22-2007, 07:28 AM
I know and I know I will be right there cheering for him but I just dont know yet about if it was a good trade. Im glad we will have a new face I just hope it works out.

UHHEAVEN
03-22-2007, 07:33 AM
People are just scared of the unfamiliar!! But anything is better than Carr. If the o-line still sucks and sack the QB, at least we have a fresh body to take the licks!!!

Titan "Tack" Fan
03-22-2007, 07:59 AM
As long as you guys get out of the basement (no offense) and start helping us (Titans) beat the Colts, I'm all for it.

Titans and Texans ontop in '07? I'd like to think so.

keyfro
03-22-2007, 07:59 AM
in the chronicle today it says the contract that is going to be signed by schaub is going to be a 6 year deal worth 48 million including 7 million garenteed and 20 million over the first three seasons

wow...that's about all i can say about that...just wow

what happened to us being in cap trouble?

HOU-TEX
03-22-2007, 08:43 AM
in the chronicle today it says the contract that is going to be signed by schaub is going to be a 6 year deal worth 48 million including 7 million garenteed and 20 million over the first three seasons

wow...that's about all i can say about that...just wow

what happened to us being in cap trouble?

Well, trading or cutting Carr will save us quite a bit of cap. IIRC, it's like 5 million this year alone. It's been posted several times. I have yet to finish my coffee, so I don't feel like looking it up.:)

Errant Hothy
03-22-2007, 08:45 AM
Just as an example, would you give up 2 DeMeco Ryans for Matt Schaub? Theoretically, that's what we are doing.


That's assuming we'd always get a player like Ryans in the second round. I'd take Schaub for:
Gaffney and Pitts
Gaffeny and Hollings
Hollings and Pitts
Ryans and Pitts
Ryans and Hollings
Ryans and Gaffney
Joppru and Ryans
Joppru and Pitts
Joppru and Gaffney
Joppru and Hollings

The only way I dont' like this deal is if I was guarnteed to get 2 players of Ryans caliber in the next two drafts; and since thats an impossibility I'll take Schaub.

TheRealJoker
03-22-2007, 09:02 AM
Whoa there man...im as big a homer as anyone else but NO F'ING WAY I'D TRADE DROY for anything less than Jessica Alba/Biel/Simpson and a mind control device.

:yahoo:

Errant Hothy
03-22-2007, 09:06 AM
Whoa there man...im as big a homer as anyone else but NO F'ING WAY I'D TRADE DROY for anything less than Jessica Alba/Biel/Simpson and a mind control device.

:yahoo:

The NFL is a QB league, that's just a fact (Dilfer and Rothlessburger are teh exceptions). I think Ryans is great, but he plays MLB and as such can be replace (Hell, there were even rumors this offseason that the Jets were shopping Vilma around, another MLB and DROY); finding a good QB is harder then replacing your MLB.

So Cal Texan
03-22-2007, 09:12 AM
i thought the problems were caused by casserly but clearly the texans organization is still headed by some idiots.

schaub cost 2 mid-high second rounders and moving down in the first round 2 spots. the guy played sparingly in the past seasons. as unproven as you can get.

mcGahee cost 2 mid-low third rounders and a seventh rounder. i think everyone knows what this guy can do.

plummer would have cost miami a fourth rounder. i would take him over schaub.

hall (DE) cost a fifth rounder.

the dude had one good game in his career. he is the same as carr, if not worse. sad....so sad.

Are you one of the people heading the Texans' organization?

The same as Carr, if not worse? Man oh man.... yeah, sad. Plummer, huh? Too bad Kubiak isn't listening to you, but what does he know.

pv1999
03-22-2007, 09:30 AM
$48 million?
Squab's career numbers are virtually identical to Sage's and he has more career wins.....so is Sage a bargain OR is Matt overpriced?

In the overall scheme it looks like a bad deal until we factor in what ever we get for Carr, and whatever Matt does on the field but on paper this looks like another "Houston" deal. Like Pippen, Barkley, the Unit, Boselli, Glenn, etc..where we get all excited about them and overpay, then they don't turn out to be worth squat.

But if he can win, he is one of us and he can stay.:bigboss:

Specnatz
03-22-2007, 09:34 AM
As long as you guys get out of the basement (no offense) and start helping us (Titans) beat the Colts, I'm all for it.

Titans and Texans ontop in '07? I'd like to think so.

You really need to go back and look at Houstond record., because we did beat the Colts last year.

Long Baller
03-22-2007, 09:37 AM
Explain how this looks like a bad deal to you again??

Atl wanted a 1st, and a 3rd in this years draft. They got neither. They got this years 2nd, next years 2nd, and swaping this years 1st(we lose 100 points on the value chart).........

I don't know Matt Schaub. But this isn't the first off-season I've heard his name as a possible starter in this league.

He was a first round prospect, but his stock fell to a third(due to injury). He's been a back-up in the WCO being groomed for 3 years.

I have to agree with Thunderkyss. Every player drafted, signed in free agency or traded for is a gamble. My initial feeling was we over paid but if he ends up on the Favre/Brunell side rather than the Scott Mitchell/Rob Johnson side then this is an assume deal. We needed a change at QB and with no sure fire franchise QBS in this our next years draft why not roll the dice. We have bombed 2nd round picks many times so the chances of bombing on any of these picks is as risky as bombing on Schaub.

The good news is that it makes next year a whole lot more exciting.:elmo:

HOU-TEX
03-22-2007, 09:38 AM
You really need to go back and look at Houstond record., because we did beat the Colts last year.

I think he meant more than one time. lol:)

Specnatz
03-22-2007, 10:13 AM
I think he meant more than one time. lol:)

That is all they beat them, last year. So I am not sure exactly what he ment.

bigbrewster2000
03-22-2007, 10:41 AM
$48 million?
Squab's career numbers are virtually identical to Sage's and he has more career wins.....so is Sage a bargain OR is Matt overpriced?

In the overall scheme it looks like a bad deal until we factor in what ever we get for Carr, and whatever Matt does on the field but on paper this looks like another "Houston" deal. Like Pippen, Barkley, the Unit, Boselli, Glenn, etc..where we get all excited about them and overpay, then they don't turn out to be worth squat.

But if he can win, he is one of us and he can stay.:bigboss:

The most important number to look at there is the 7 mil in gauranteed money. That is a very low number so if it doesnt pan out it wont kill us in the cap. If it does work out and he is a good to great QB we are still on the right side of the numbers which averages to 8 per.

jerek
03-22-2007, 10:51 AM
I must admit I didn't see this one coming. I did not think Atlanta would be willing to give up Schaub for anything less than the farm (and that's damn near what we paid them) and I never envisioned the Texans pursuing him or parting with so much draft real estate.

Having said that, given all of the names that have been tossed around--Plummer, Garcia, Trent Green, Kolb, Quinn, etc.--I have to think that Schaub was the superior choice, all factors considered.

I wish Carr the best as he was a class act from start to finish. I will be following his career with interest wherever he ends up and I hope that a change of scenery will inspire him to live up to the talent we all know he has.

Maddict5
03-22-2007, 11:02 AM
I must admit I didn't see this one coming. I did not think Atlanta would be willing to give up Schaub for anything less than the farm (and that's damn near what we paid them)



are you serious?? 2 (hopefully) mid 2nds=farm??...look at the hasselback etc deals

jerek
03-22-2007, 11:13 AM
are you serious?? 2 (hopefully) mid 2nds=farm??...look at the hasselback etc deals

For a virtually unproven career backup QB? Comparing it to another expensive deal that was in hindsight successful and yet is totally unrelated doesn't make it any less of a reach. However that's my opinion and since we have virtually no facts of this guy's ability to debate, I think we'd do well to leave it at that and see how he plays once he straps on a Texans uniform.

Lucky
03-22-2007, 11:15 AM
are you serious?? 2 (hopefully) mid 2nds=farm??...look at the hasselback etc deals
The Texans gave up more for Schaub than the Seahawks did to get Hasselbeck. Seattle dropped 7 spots in the 1st round (#10 to #17) and dealt the Pack a 3rd round pick (#72).

Maddict5
03-22-2007, 11:21 AM
For a virtually unproven career backup QB? Comparing it to another expensive deal that was in hindsight successful and yet is totally unrelated doesn't make it any less of a reach. However that's my opinion and since we have virtually no facts of this guy's ability to debate, I think we'd do well to leave it at that and see how he plays once he straps on a Texans uniform.

i know what you're saying but hes not just some nobody 8 yr backup..hes a young guy thats highly regarded and looks to fit our system...
i saw the pats-falcs game last year (and some other game he played in i think) and i remember thinking 'uh-oh vicks in trouble, this kid has it and theres no way they can keep him on the bench'..granted it was his best game but im confident schaub's going to work out here and the deal will look like a bargain

HoustonFrog
03-22-2007, 11:32 AM
are you serious?? 2 (hopefully) mid 2nds=farm??...look at the hasselback etc deals

Actually many in Atlanta were disappointed with the deal and thought they could get more. That is what the Falcons announcer said yesterday.

I don't get the drama. We dropped two places. We were looking to move up with a 2nd anyways. So we gave up another. You have to take chances to improve. The course we were going was not working. We still can trade down and get a pick from Carr to supplement. It isn't the end of the world.

DocBar
03-22-2007, 11:43 AM
Will you at least comeback to the board and say ...... Yeah I was wrong? This is one prob I have with most people on boards it is that they claim this or that but will not own up to it, why? Because they have no heart or stones.

I agree it is a lot to give up for Schaub, but damn so would waiting on three years for another QB to develop.
Sorry...I'm in the Eastern time zone right now and I have to work for a living, so I went to bed. No, I will NOT admit I'm wrong. I'm also not hating on Schaub. I just feel like we paid too much. I also feel like everyone is so giddy just because Carr is going to be gone. That won't fix this team and neither will Schaub, IMHO. In hindsight, maybe using Gaffney as an example wasn't the best idea, but I had just gotten into my hotel room after driving from Kansas City to Maysville, Ky. and I was pretty tired. We have some huge holes to fill and 2nd round draft picks are pretty high commodities, especially in a draft as deep as this one is in areas we need to address. I'll be glad to debate you on any topic you wish. Why do you want to question my heart for the Texans or my stones?? Because I dare disagree with you? Because I have a job I'd like to keep and needed some sleep? Maybe you should check with your doctor and get some Prozac or something. Just stay away from the Paxil. I've heard bad things about it!!!

Errant Hothy
03-22-2007, 11:52 AM
I'm amazed that this thread isn't at a 1000 posts yet, and that it has no chance to eclipse teh Moulds thread.

ArlingtonTexan
03-22-2007, 11:56 AM
I'm amazed that this thread isn't at a 1000 posts yet, and that it has no chance to eclipse teh Moulds thread.

Too many people believe that they have a thought thread worthy :rolleyes: We have not just jammed all those into this one.

OzzO
03-22-2007, 12:14 PM
I was listening to one of the am stations this morning, 790 I think, and a caller said it best that he's been all over the nation and heard many a sports radio shows and he felt that the Houston fans are starting to be comparable to the Philly fans that they just want to complain about anything.

The hosts agreed saying in Philly you could win the superbowl by 3 points and many would feel they didn't win by enough.

michaelm
03-22-2007, 12:20 PM
Too many people believe that they have a thought thread worthy :rolleyes: ...

Wow, a statement that proves itself... I like it...

DocBar
03-22-2007, 12:23 PM
I was listening to one of the am stations this morning, 790 I think, and a caller said it best that he's been all over the nation and heard many a sports radio shows and he felt that the Houston fans are starting to be comparable to the Philly fans that they just want to complain about anything.

The hosts agreed saying in Philly you could win the superbowl by 3 points and many would feel they didn't win by enough. I'm really looking forward to the creativity displayed if Schaub falls on his $48 mil. face. It's been All DC All the Time for a few years on here. I have some really mixed up emotions about this deal. My gut tells me it's a bad deal and we're getting shafted, but my heart wants the guy to come and be the "Next Great Thing".

HoustonFrog
03-22-2007, 12:24 PM
I was listening to one of the am stations this morning, 790 I think, and a caller said it best that he's been all over the nation and heard many a sports radio shows and he felt that the Houston fans are starting to be comparable to the Philly fans that they just want to complain about anything.

The hosts agreed saying in Philly you could win the superbowl by 3 points and many would feel they didn't win by enough.

Except they seem passionate, crazy and knowledgeable. After hearing calls and seeing some things that are said around this town I'm worried about the knowledgeable part.

OzzO
03-22-2007, 12:27 PM
I'm really looking forward to the creativity displayed if Schaub falls on his $48 mil. face. It's been All DC All the Time for a few years on here. I have some really mixed up emotions about this deal. My gut tells me it's a bad deal and we're getting shafted, but my heart wants the guy to come and be the "Next Great Thing".

Go with your heart, dude. It feels much better being optimistic.... and IF it turns out bad, then you can say "told ya so" and the Texans will learn once again and we'll move forward.

But for now, embrace the change. :victory:

michaelm
03-22-2007, 12:27 PM
I'm really looking forward to the creativity displayed if Schaub falls on his $48 mil. face. It's been All DC All the Time for a few years on here. I have some really mixed up emotions about this deal. My gut tells me it's a bad deal and we're getting shafted, but my heart wants the guy to come and be the "Next Great Thing".


Follow your heart, my son... it will set you free.


Plus, it's obvious your gut is just a pessimist...


Go with your heart, dude. It feels much better being optimistic....

dammit A4toZ, you stole my thunder... I want it back..!

DocBar
03-22-2007, 12:32 PM
Follow your heart, my son... it will set you free.


Plus, it's obvious your gut is just a pessimist...




dammit A4toZ, you stole my thunder... I want it back..!But what if I'm POSITIVE this is a bad deal???? J/K. I can only hope that negotiations for trading Carr are very far along and the other guys don't have access to any sort of media.

OzzO
03-22-2007, 12:44 PM
Follow your heart, my son... it will set you free.


Plus, it's obvious your gut is just a pessimist...




dammit A4toZ, you stole my thunder... I want it back..!

I'd give ya some rep for the thunder stealing, but gotta spread it first.



BOOM.... here comes the.... BOOM ready or not......

michaelm
03-22-2007, 12:47 PM
But what if I'm POSITIVE this is a bad deal???? J/K.

Whoa, there... don't start going all M. Night Shyamalan on me with your twists of logic... I'm having hard time keeping up, and have to keep rewinding the thread. "I see thread people..."

"Did DocBar just say what I thought he said about what he said earlier, or did I misunderstand what he said just now? Or was it earlier? I need a drink..."

</joke>

HoustonFrog
03-22-2007, 12:48 PM
But what if I'm POSITIVE this is a bad deal???? J/K. I can only hope that negotiations for trading Carr are very far along and the other guys don't have access to any sort of media.

Usually when I'm dead positive about something I'm wrong..lol

DocBar
03-22-2007, 12:50 PM
Whoa, there... don't start going all M. Night Shyamalan on me with your twists of logic... I'm having hard time keeping up, and have to keep rewinding the thread.

"Did DocBar just say what I thought he said about what he said earlier, or did I misunderstand what he said just now? Or was it earlier? I need a drink..."

</joke>
LOL...I guess I'm gonna quit whining over the sticker shock and wish the guy the best of luck. I hope he lives up to his "potential". I'm really getting tired of that word. Still wish we had our draft picks, though. And most would say it's twisted ILLOGIC, but that's just the majority....

Porky
03-22-2007, 12:56 PM
The Texans gave up more for Schaub than the Seahawks did to get Hasselbeck. Seattle dropped 7 spots in the 1st round (#10 to #17) and dealt the Pack a 3rd round pick (#72).


Not according to the Chronic. It says they gave up 2 number 1's and a number 3. Not sure but that's what it says.

VICKTMS
03-22-2007, 01:02 PM
LOL...I guess I'm gonna quit whining over the sticker shock and wish the guy the best of luck. I hope he lives up to his "potential". I'm really getting tired of that word. Still wish we had our draft picks, though. And most would say it's twisted ILLOGIC, but that's just the majority....

THANKS FOR THE PICKS GUYS...goin to get Calvin now!!! or at least Landry and some other starters!!!! Wow..we needed that!!!

potisyourfriend
03-22-2007, 01:16 PM
That is all they beat them, last year. So I am not sure exactly what he ment.



Hey Spec, you doing okay? You're not suicidal now that your boy toy is gone?

DocBar
03-22-2007, 01:22 PM
Usually when I'm dead positive about something I'm wrong..lol
ribbett, ribbett

Specnatz
03-22-2007, 01:27 PM
Hey Spec, you doing okay? You're not suicidal now that your boy toy is gone?

BoyToy?? Yes last year I said I was all for keeping Carr versus going with a rookie and putting the team in a hole for another few years. Build from the tremches out. I was very leary of young, I will not denie that or go back on my comments. After last years draft I was fine with how things went down.

But I have also said since this past season carr regressed that the team should move in a different direction. I love this trade, sorry if I actually use logic when I look at the team as a whole and not just being a tsipper or a Carr homer. I am all about the team getting better in all phases not just going with the most hyped pick.

That is why I have been a HUGE Levi brown guy this year.

HoustonFrog
03-22-2007, 01:34 PM
ribbett, ribbett

Just trying for some positive spin for ya!I'm a fan of the trade. We will all find out down the road.

BSofA04
03-22-2007, 01:59 PM
As long as Shaub doesn't trip over himself, the offense will do well. I being optimistic about the trade, even though losing draft picks hurts...but Schaub is a much better QB than anyone in the draft IMO.

real
03-22-2007, 02:08 PM
As long as Shaub doesn't trip over himself, the offense will do well. I being optimistic about the trade, even though losing draft picks hurts...but Schaub is a much better QB than anyone in the draft IMO.

Forget the QB's in the draft...

He's a much better QB than David Carr, and that's what counts.

:)

gtexan02
03-22-2007, 02:22 PM
Forget the QB's in the draft...

He's a much better QB than David Carr, and that's what counts.

:)

You don't know that. he COULD be a better QB than David. At this point, he's TC proved and thats it. I will admit it would take almost nothing to become better than DC, but still, at this point, you can't say he's actually better

Iowahorse
03-22-2007, 02:50 PM
I must admit I didn't see this one coming. I did not think Atlanta would be willing to give up Schaub for anything less than the farm (and that's damn near what we paid them) and I never envisioned the Texans pursuing him or parting with so much draft real estate.

Had to. Would have liked to have kept him tho. Schuab was not the Ideal fit in our new offense, he's better for your WCO style. Plus being financially married to Vick ensured we would move Schaub this year. If we did not we would have got left holding the bag for nothing next year when he became a UFA. Although there was an assumption if Vick did not take the Falcons into the playoffs this year under our new coach and system, Matt would have been signed and Vick shopped out next year. But that was never really feasable with our new offense and financial situation.

281
03-22-2007, 02:51 PM
the name of this thread is outdated

Silver Oak
03-22-2007, 02:55 PM
Forget the QB's in the draft...

He's a much better QB than David Carr, and that's what counts.

:)

and you base this on what? Schaub's 3 games in the NFL?

he may indeed be better, I hope he is great!, but who knows at this point? don't let your hatred overpower your sense of reason.

Errant Hothy
03-22-2007, 03:07 PM
One of the things Schaub has going for him is that he hasn't suffered such a beating that he's developed some bad habits.

DocBar
03-22-2007, 03:25 PM
Just trying for some positive spin for ya!I'm a fan of the trade. We will all find out down the road. I'm getting over the sticker shock and no point whining over what is done. Go kick some ***, Schaub. I gotta admit, it's got me really looking forward to OTA's and TC. As if I wasn't already

DocBar
03-22-2007, 03:28 PM
One of the things Schaub has going for him is that he hasn't suffered such a beating that he's developed some bad habits.

Carr has lots of bad habits that contributed the beating he took here. When things got tough, he reverted back to them and compounded the problem. I'm VERY interested to see how our O-line looks in the regular season. Has anyone else noticed how much Floyd Reese resembles Bob McNair? Reese is on ESPN right now and I thought it was McNair at first.

real
03-22-2007, 03:30 PM
and you base this on what? Schaub's 3 games in the NFL?

he may indeed be better, I hope he is great!, but who knows at this point? don't let your hatred overpower your sense of reason.


I've never been an emotional guy. I've never been the type to just say things for the he!! of it...

You can quote me, take a picture or write it down...

He IS better than David Carr.

real
03-22-2007, 03:32 PM
You don't know that. he COULD be a better QB than David. At this point, he's TC proved and thats it. I will admit it would take almost nothing to become better than DC, but still, at this point, you can't say he's actually better


YOU don't know that....

I KNOW he's better than David.

BattleRedRaider
03-22-2007, 03:42 PM
Freakin' Madden 07..........I was able to trade Carr for Schaub straight up.....no draft picks or spot-swaps.

DocBar
03-22-2007, 03:47 PM
YOU don't know that....

I KNOW he's better than David. I'm quite interested in how you KNOW he's better than DC. I admire the strength of your convictions, but it's really nothing more than faith. I don't want to get too far into this, cuz I might jinx the guy, and I hope he comes in and kicks butt.

HoustonFrog
03-22-2007, 03:49 PM
Carr has lots of bad habits that contributed the beating he took here. When things got tough, he reverted back to them and compounded the problem. I'm VERY interested to see how our O-line looks in the regular season. Has anyone else noticed how much Floyd Reese resembles Bob McNair? Reese is on ESPN right now and I thought it was McNair at first.

The problem is that people will say, if they look better or good, that Carr never had a line like that. However, people, well some it seems here,
don't really get how much a few little moves with the footwork can change how good a line works. I'm expecting good things.

real
03-22-2007, 04:06 PM
I'm quite interested in how you KNOW he's better than DC. I admire the strength of your convictions, but it's really nothing more than faith. I don't want to get too far into this, cuz I might jinx the guy, and I hope he comes in and kicks butt.

I am past trying to convince people.

Some said that I don't know.....All I was doing was rejecting that claim, because I do know....Just like I knew David was terrible, and just like I knew he wouldn't be the starting QB for this team after this year...

I'm often wrong, but I'm pretty sure about this.

The Pencil Neck
03-22-2007, 04:41 PM
I'm quite interested in how you KNOW he's better than DC.

I believe Schaub will be better than Carr not because that requires Schaub to be a good player but because Carr has played so poorly. The bar is set so low at this point that I believe that Sage could have played at least as well as David. I believe Schaub will be a good player but all he needs to be is not bad and he'll be a major improvement. Carr may or may not be more talented than both guys combined but that doesn't matter if he can't do it on the field... and to this point, he hasn't.

keyser
03-22-2007, 05:02 PM
OK, I feel like an ***** having to ask this, but I rarely listen to TV/radio commentators (plus I don't usually listen to audio on the computer). How exactly is Schaub pronounced? Is it like Schwab, or Schawb, or Schoob, or Schowb, or what?

infantrycak
03-22-2007, 05:03 PM
OK, I feel like an ***** having to ask this, but I rarely listen to TV/radio commentators (plus I don't usually listen to audio on the computer). How exactly is Schaub pronounced? Is it like Schwab, or Schawb, or Schoob, or Schowb, or what?

Rhymes with Cobb.

DocBar
03-22-2007, 05:11 PM
I believe Schaub will be better than Carr not because that requires Schaub to be a good player but because Carr has played so poorly. The bar is set so low at this point that I believe that Sage could have played at least as well as David. I believe Schaub will be a good player but all he needs to be is not bad and he'll be a major improvement. Carr may or may not be more talented than both guys combined but that doesn't matter if he can't do it on the field... and to this point, he hasn't.
Now THAT is a well thought out response and one I tend to agree with. I DO believe he needs to be better than merely "not bad", though, because a #7(39 overall) 2nd round pick in this years draft is a pretty dang good pick. There will be some rock solid players there. I would be happy as a pig in slop if it had been just 1 2nd rounder and a deal for DC had been complete(or close to it) before making the announcement.

Second Honeymoon
03-22-2007, 05:42 PM
Rhymes with Cobb.

yeah, someone in a thread yesterday penned, 'Schaub Mob'...I like it

Txtumbleweed
03-22-2007, 05:42 PM
Carr never had a chance with the lousy OL he had in front of him. I don't think Schaub would have done any better. I just hope Carr goes to a team where he will have a line and gets a chance to prove himself. I think the only reason they are making Carr the fall guy is to cover their own mistakes, which have been many.:Tumblewee

DocBar
03-22-2007, 05:50 PM
Carr never had a chance with the lousy OL he had in front of him. I don't think Schaub would have done any better. I just hope Carr goes to a team where he will have a line and gets a chance to prove himself. I think the only reason they are making Carr the fall guy is to cover their own mistakes, which have been many.:Tumblewee

I see...using an admitted mistake to cover up mistakes...sheer genius.!!:lightbulb:
I wish I knew what the FO is thinking, cuz as of right now, I'm so confused my head hurts.

Navy_Chris
03-22-2007, 05:51 PM
I see...using an admitted mistake to cover up mistakes...sheer genius.!!:lightbulb:
I wish I knew what the FO is thinking, cuz as of right now, I'm so confused my head hurts.

NEW REGIME! Rick and Gary will turn this thing around and make the RIGHT decisions. It's not Gary's fault...he was STUCK with David Carr and the team of misfits from last season. He'll get his players in here and make everything right.

DocBar
03-22-2007, 06:01 PM
NEW REGIME! Rick and Gary will turn this thing around and make the RIGHT decisions. It's not Gary's fault...he was STUCK with David Carr and the team of misfits from last season. He'll get his players in here and make everything right. No kidding it's a NEW REGIME. Ya don't hafta shout, I'm right here... And Kubes ws NOT stuck with Carr, HE WANTED Carr and thought he could fix him. I appluad his willingness to admit he can't fix him, but he asked for Carr's option to be picked up. I'm not upset about getting Schaub OR trading Carr. I'm just not real happy with the price yet and I DON'T like the fact that this NEW REGIME FO is handling this a lot like the FORMER REGIME handled Sharper and Glenn-letting it be known they would be available for nothing. I'm not sold on Schaub, but I'm going to root for him, because what's done is done. Anyway, enough of that rant. I'm gearing up for the draft and looking forward to next year. Kubes has his rookie season under his belt, now I want him to show his stuff.

Aiden
03-22-2007, 06:06 PM
How do you know this stuff??

He follows the NFL very closely.:)

Pretty good eh?

Navy_Chris
03-22-2007, 06:11 PM
No kidding it's a NEW REGIME. Ya don't hafta shout, I'm right here... And Kubes ws NOT stuck with Carr, HE WANTED Carr and thought he could fix him. I appluad his willingness to admit he can't fix him, but he asked for Carr's option to be picked up. I'm not upset about getting Schaub OR trading Carr. I'm just not real happy with the price yet and I DON'T like the fact that this NEW REGIME FO is handling this a lot like the FORMER REGIME handled Sharper and Glenn-letting it be known they would be available for nothing. I'm not sold on Schaub, but I'm going to root for him, because what's done is done. Anyway, enough of that rant. I'm gearing up for the draft and looking forward to next year. Kubes has his rookie season under his belt, now I want him to show his stuff.

Point well taken and I agree with you. Kubiak DIDN'T want Carr. Here's the story:

Dan Reeves is hired as a consultant
Dan Reeves endorses Kubiak as new HC to Bob McNair
Dan Reeves thinks Texans can win with DC as QB
Kubiak is hired as HC
Kubiak doesn't want to go against the recommendations of the guy that recommended him for the job
Kubiak feels pressure to re-sign DC
Kubiak.....well...he re-signs DC

Not at all Kubiak's decision on David Carr.

thunderkyss
03-22-2007, 09:12 PM
For a virtually unproven career backup QB? Comparing it to another expensive deal that was in hindsight successful and yet is totally unrelated doesn't make it any less of a reach. However that's my opinion and since we have virtually no facts of this guy's ability to debate, I think we'd do well to leave it at that and see how he plays once he straps on a Texans uniform.

but every player in the draft is a virtually unproven player(QB or otherwise). Chad Jackson, Rocky McIntosh, Jimmy Williams.... We've got a "starting" QB instead of one of these guys who went early in last years second round.

Sure, we might land a Demeco, or a Thomas Howard, Roman Harper, or Marcus McNeil... we don't know, we have virtually no facts of these guys(in the upcoming draft) abilities to play.

Schaub has impressed the "entire" league, with his play in the preseason(playing above the level of the twos & threes) & when he's had a chance to play in the regular season.

Now THAT is a well thought out response and one I tend to agree with. I DO believe he needs to be better than merely "not bad", though, because a #7(39 overall) 2nd round pick in this years draft is a pretty dang good pick. There will be some rock solid players there. I would be happy as a pig in slop if it had been just 1 2nd rounder and a deal for DC had been complete(or close to it) before making the announcement.

But you're forgetting that we got what we hope to be a very good player for that #2. It's not Kalil, or Houston, it's a QB that was highly rated coming out of college, It's like Getting a Brady Quinn that's sat on the bench for three years.

Next years #2 makes this hard to tell if we did well or not. We don't know where we'll be drafting, and we don't have a clue who might be available where ever we might pick.

Honoring Earl 34
03-22-2007, 09:29 PM
It's just like the draft ... it takes a couple of years before you know .

If Schaub throws for 25 tds , 13 ints , 3600 yds and we go 9-7 ... it's a damn good deal .

texan09
03-22-2007, 09:29 PM
hmm interesting

texan09
03-22-2007, 09:29 PM
and he probably will, ive seen this guy in action, he has an extremely accurate arm

keyfro
03-22-2007, 10:58 PM
the one thing i remember about schaub when he was coming out in the draft back in 04 was that he was very unfortunate to be in the same draft as eli, rivers, and big ben

i know people had JP losman ranked higher than schaub and he was drafted higher but i remember a couple of draft guys on espn saying that they thought schaub was the most nfl ready guy when you compared him to rivers and losman

i think what we are going to see is that in the 2004 draft we had a ton of talent at the QB position just like in 84...looking at schaub now this is what i see:

a classic pocket passer with some mobility to move around in the pocket and move out of the pocket if needed...a big guy with a decent arm...not great...i would put his arm strength up there with matt leinart who i actually would compare schaub to a lot...a guy who leads well...maybe can't make all the throws but with his touch on the ball will get the job done...schaub's best case scenario in potential is probably what chad pennington is when he's at his best...worst case scenario is AJ feely

call me crazy but i'm leaning more towards him playing like pennington when healthy

macaronitoni
03-23-2007, 12:03 AM
About Matt Schaub was him saying the first thing he did as a Houston Texan was gather up all the phone numbers to every player on the team, and make it a goal to call each and every one of them and really get to know them.

wow. finally a leader behind center. I'm really excited for this guy...he really seems like a guy with a lot of character (like Carr) but with more talent, more brains, more polish and best of all, true leadership qualities. He stated that its his responsible to lead not only the offense, but the defense and special teams. When was the last time you heard Carr speak of this? Hell, when was the first time?

Vince Young was able to win only because of his ability to carry a team on his back and make everyone around him better. Matt Schaub, I think will show everyone that he too can possess that special intangible but I think he takes it one step further. He's smarter.

PREDICTION: Move over Peyton Manning and watch out Vince Young. There's a new sheriff on the horizon in the AFC. We will have the best defense in our division next year. We will not be better than the Colts offensively, but we will be better than the Titans and Jaquars. 2007 is the year we don't finish dead last in our division and we break that .500. We have another 1000 rusher on the team again. AJ will have the best year of all Wide Outs and will finish with more than 1450. Going to the probowl as a Texan will be Demeco Ryans, and Andre Johnson.

Well, one can be optimistic here. I don't think any of that is a stretch. Except maybe Matt Schaub challenging Peyton as the best QB in our division. Although I think it's very possible within a few years.

And to think we still have 5/6 more players to add to the team.

Clash_Fan3605
03-23-2007, 12:09 AM
We will have the best defense in our division next year.

IMHO, if we draft Landry or even Nelson, we can have the best D in our division & maybe top 12 in the whole league. :dance2:

valleytexfan
03-23-2007, 12:52 AM
I agree...I see the "take charge" in Schaub that I didn't see before...

gtexan02
03-23-2007, 10:19 AM
I am currently a grad student at UVa in the biomedical sciences, and the word around Charlottesville is that Schaub is a guy everyone is going to love.
He is seriously idolized around here after Aaron Brooks' wonderlic fiasco.

Anyway, after picking up Lundy last year, its too bad we didn't also pick up D'Brick with the #1 overall. Then we could reunite Schaub and his franchise LT (I dont actually know if they ever played together)!

PS: I dont think deserves its own thread, so feel free to merge it!

ThaShark316
03-23-2007, 12:09 PM
Get ready for this thread to be in the classics...great thread yall...greatness, indeed.

Great move again, as we basically just gave up a 2008 2nd rd pick....I mean, losing that 2nd rounder hurts a little, but it won't be as bad if we come out and rip teams a new one offensively....

Schaub's accuracy is what makes him the perfect QB for our system. Obviously we got a great leader, a great team guy and a QB we can build around and make better with O-Line help, good backs out the backfield and another WR to go alongside Andre Johnson.

The people that say its a bad trade...maybe they didn't see it like I did along side some others. I mean ok, 8, 39 and 08's 2nd for 10 and Schaub seems like one team got robbed, but in a technical sense, we didn't. 8 and 10 isn't too much of a different, since we could lose out on a player or two that could have been ours at 8, but we could end up getting a great player at 10 anyway...could be Peterson, Landry, Nelson, Brown, Okoye or even Willis if we wanted to draft him and play him at OLB...(ok maybe that last one was just a wish or something or a nice possible thing lol).

All in all, we made a GREAT trade. I was excited when I found out we got Schaub for a 2nd rounder. Schaub will be great for this team and quote me here...


Texans = 2008 playoff team.