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Lifetime Oiler/Texan Fan
03-20-2007, 01:36 PM
I know that this is mostly likely never going to happen, but for the sake of curiosity...if Adrain Peteson, Brady Quinn, and Laron Landry are there at #8, which player do you take and why? If Oakland does not take a QB with the 1st overall pick, don't be surprised if at least two of these players are there at #8.

freedoggy77
03-20-2007, 01:41 PM
Brady Quinn...we need a QB, this guy has been in a pro-style offense under Charlie Weis, we can mould him for a while and have him be our champion QB

texans83
03-20-2007, 01:45 PM
i would take Landry because Quinn is a gamble and we have ENOUGH RBs on our roster. However, knowing McNair if this occurs then ALL DAY will be wearing a Texans uniform.

How is Quinn a gamble any more than any other qb? I think JR is more than a gamble then Quinn IMO.
Anyways I would take Quinn bc we need a qb bad that can step in next year and this draft is deep with recievers, and db's. I agree next year we will get our rb bc they will have a really great class next year. Quinn has already been and suceded in the pro style offense and Kubes likes him alot so Im giong with Quinn.

Exithios
03-20-2007, 01:45 PM
I know that this is mostly likely never going to happen, but for the sake of curiosity...if Adrain Peteson, Brady Quinn, and Laron Landry are there at #8, which player do you take and why? If Oakland does not take a QB with the 1st overall pick, don't be surprised if at least two of these players are there at #8.


This is a doozy for sure. I am going to go out on a limb here and say that AD is definately an elite speciman at running back but we can take a running back in the 2nd or 3rd round and make them look like 1st round talent with the offensive scheme we are running.

I am going to get flogged for this, but I am going to go with Brady Quinn. I have seen this kid play with heart as well as smarts and beleive he is a rare breed at the QB position.

Landry is an excellent DB prospect but he is the guy we fall back on when BQ and AD are off the boards.

gtexan02
03-20-2007, 01:56 PM
lol freedoggy really changed his answer if that quote is accurate.

Anyway, I would probably take Peterson. He's more of a game changer than any of the others. If all 3 were available, however, I think we could get a king's ransom from a trade down, and would therefore opt to do that. Then we could pick up Hall or someone of similar talent about 5-10 picks later

hollywood_texan
03-20-2007, 01:59 PM
Quinn couldn't carry Notre Dame, and he is going to carry the Texans?

That is the problem with Quinn, he is Carr redux. The Texans don't have enough players to help Quinn out.

Inherently, the riskiest picks to take in the first round, and particularly in the top 10 picks, are QB and RB. Just look at the the last 10 years of the first round, and particularly the first 10 picks, they are littered with underachieving QBs and RBs.

Every team needs a Franchise QB, but the problem is finding one!

If the Texans take Quinn and maybe even Peterson, they are making the same classic mistake back in 2002.

Build the lines on both sides of the ball and get some real secondary help. By the way, a real CB and safeties are generally taken very early in drafts.

A top 10 pick at QB needs to be seriously considered for the Hall of Fame to be considered a decent pick in retrospect, I don't see Quinn coming close to that in his NFL career.

Just because there is a need at QB, doesn't mean the Texans have to draft 1st round this year, or even address it at all. They could wait till next year and still get to .500 next year. If Kubiak is as good as coach as everyone thinks, he should be able to do that.

I probably would take Landry, but Peterson would be very tempting. But, you can get great value at the RB position in later rounds if the scouting is done properly.

santo
03-20-2007, 02:03 PM
I would take Peterson before I take Quinn.



Quinn would be second, and if he wasn't there, then I would take Reggie Nelson....:)

sixfour
03-20-2007, 02:04 PM
Quinn couldn't carry Notre Dame, and he is going to carry the Texans?

That is the problem with Quinn, he is Carr redux. The Texans don't have enough players to help Quinn out.

Inherently, the riskiest picks to take in the first round, and particularly in the top 10 picks, are QB and RB. Just look at the the last 10 years of the first round, and particularly the first 10 picks, they are littered with underachieving QBs and RBs.

Every team needs a Franchise QB, but the problem is finding one!

If the Texans take Quinn and maybe even Peterson, they are making the same classic mistake back in 2002.

Build the lines on both sides of the ball and get some real secondary help. By the way, a real CB and safeties are generally taken very early in drafts.

A top 10 pick at QB needs to be seriously considered for the Hall of Fame to be considered a decent pick in retrospect, I don't see Quinn coming close to that in his NFL career.

Just because there is a need at QB, doesn't mean the Texans have to draft 1st round this year, or even address it at all. They could wait till next year and still get to .500 next year. If Kubiak is as good as coach as everyone thinks, he should be able to do that.

I probably would take Landry, but Peterson would be very tempting. But, you can get great value at the RB position in later rounds if the scouting is done properly.


I agree. I hope we don't waste the #8 pick on bq. We have toooooo many issues on this team that he can't begin address.

TexansSeminole
03-20-2007, 02:06 PM
That is actually a very good question. I think we can't really go wrong any of those guys. I believe Quinn will be successful in the NFL...how successful is almost a unanswerable question. Landry looks like he can add a demension to our offense that we have never had and are desperately lacking. Peterson will also bolster a running attack of ours that has been struggling. I think you take Peterson or Quinn over Landry if they are available though. I would take Quinn because we have already spent money on what is supposed to be a top running back this offseason.

HuttoKarl
03-20-2007, 02:07 PM
Peterson, Quinn, Landry.

I think if we really need a Free Safety, we can get a nice one in the second.

TexansSeminole
03-20-2007, 02:08 PM
Quinn couldn't carry Notre Dame, and he is going to carry the Texans?

That is the problem with Quinn, he is Carr redux. The Texans don't have enough players to help Quinn out.

Bro....go to YouTube.com.

Look up Brady Quinn and watch some highlights and watch how he moves in the pocket. Look up David Carr and watch some highlights and watch how he lacks movement in the pocket. That in itself is a huge difference in the way they play. Also watch where BQ throws the ball (all over the field)...then watch David Carr.

Peterson, Quinn, Landry.

I think if we really need a Free Safety, we can get a nice one in the second.

Oh it is not an IF my friend...it is a desperate need of ours.

hollywood_texan
03-20-2007, 02:13 PM
Bro....go to YouTube.com.

Look up Brady Quinn and watch some highlights and watch how he moves in the pocket. Look up David Carr and watch some highlights and watch how he lacks movement in the pocket. That in itself is a huge difference in the way they play. Also watch where BQ throws the ball (all over the field)...then watch David Carr.



Oh it is not an IF my friend...it is a desperate need of ours.

Just because a guy has great talent, doesn't mean he fits your team or scheme.

As for Quinn, I don't see anything different than what is out there every year. There is nothing special or unique about him. Bottom line, he couldn't carry Notre Dame, and I don't see how he can carry the Texans.

The Texans have so many holes to fill, it is ridiculous! I think it is more of a priority right for the their 1st pick to start immediately than carry a clipboard right now.

The Texans have to get to .500 next year, and I don't see how Brady Quinn factors into that equation.

If the Texans had a more well rounded club, I would be on the fence with Quinn.

yourfavoritetexan42
03-20-2007, 02:16 PM
1. Quinn
2. AP
3. Landry


Quarterback is the most important position on the field... Carr has talent, he is just mentally shocked... but adding Adrian Peterson, Ahman Green, Ron Danye to get our running game going, a healthy o line, maybe he can flourish. We would be stacked with talent on offense. And for those that think Sage is our answer at quarterback, thats if yall wanna be 4-0 in the preseason, and be 2-14 in the regular season. Sage is decent... but I dont think he has enough talent to be an effective starter.

Having Quinn come into this locker room, would be very positive. Your locker room is down because all they hear is about Vince Young, well guess what, now we have Brady Quinn, he is motivated, and he will want to beat the crap out of the texans and will do everything in his power to make sure it happens. Watch the USC game two years ago, watch his latest LSU game, brady quinn was motivated and didn't quit, he put up 4+ touchdowns in both games and he was competing for all 4 quarters, he didn't make excuses and didn't care that his defense sucked, his protection was bad, and at times receivers were off their routes. He took responsibility. Quinn would come in, respect all the texans players for who they are, but also let them know that its time to shutup, and produce, because we are no longer an expansion team, and we aren't going to take losses like we have in the past. Let me tell you, me being a football player, having a kid like that come in here, motivate me to get my crap together.

Laron Landry would help us out as well... he is a bigger need than running back, and with us having carr and sage, at quarterback as well, but safety doesn't have a big as effect as quarterback or running back in a game. If AP and BQ are gone, I will not have a problem with us drafting Landry. He will lay big hits, make some big plays, and add a lot of talent and take away big plays (killed us against the bills) and be able to lock down that field in the 4th quarter when we are trying to keep a slim lead.

threetoedpete
03-20-2007, 02:16 PM
Levi Brown . fix the GD offensive line.

HuttoKarl
03-20-2007, 02:17 PM
Oh it is not an IF my friend...it is a desperate need of ours.

Yeah...I don't know why I said "if". We SHOULD take a FS in the second if we go with Quinn or Peterson first.

TexansSeminole
03-20-2007, 02:17 PM
Just because a guy has great talent, doesn't mean he fits your team or scheme.

As for Quinn, I don't see anything different than what is out there every year. There is nothing special or unique about him. Bottom line, he couldn't carry Notre Dame, and I don't see how he can carry the Texans.

The Texans have so many holes to fill, it is ridiculous! I think it is more of priority right for the their 1st pick to start immediately.

The Texans have to get to .500 next year, and I don't see how Brady Quinn factors into that equation.

If the Texans had a more well rounded club, I would be on the fence with Quinn.

The thing that is special about Brady Quinn is his leadership. Give him a couple years in the league and he will be greatly respected. David Carr has 0 respect. Respect for our QB helps in acquiring free agents and it also makes our players play at a higher level.

We do have alot of holes to fill and QB is one of them...regardless if you believe it or not. Having a QB that the team believes in and believes will be involved in the future of the team is very important. The team has got to look at Carr like he is a temporary QB for them.

real
03-20-2007, 02:18 PM
Quinn.

Landry's not even a serious option in this scenario.

We have Dayne, Green and a couple young guys in Taylor, Gado, and Lundy...

In the right system with the right talent around him, Quinn is going to put up STUPID numbers and pick up MAD wins...

TEXANRED
03-20-2007, 02:19 PM
Peterson, Quinn, Landry.

I think if we really need a Free Safety, we can get a nice one in the second.

Your avatar would make a great LB addition.

Give me Ken Tate!:snobord:

ThaShark316
03-20-2007, 02:20 PM
Peterson....and it's not even close.

Ole Miss Texan
03-20-2007, 02:26 PM
Peterson, Quinn, Landry.

Peterson- I'm actually fine w/ our RB situation for next season, But Peterson would be better than all of them and our franchise back. It would add a huge spark to our offense and more respect for our club quite frankly. i'd rather have mario and peterson than reggie and anderson.

Quinn-I think Kubiak really likes this guy. He has the leadership qualities one looks for in a QB. Everything about his game looks like he'd be a good fit for our team, imo. If our o-line gets better and protects him...we'll be good. ND's record doesn't bother me...Quinn did a lot in the games..even if they did lose some of them...can't fault everything on him just because you've heard he's DC II on the radio.

Landry-I love the kid. He's my pick for the Texans..hoping that this situation doesn't come true...Of all the guys we have somewhat of a chance falling to us..peterson is my #1...Landry is my next guy...but with Quinn on the board we'd take BQ over LL. I want Landry to be a texan though.

Exithios
03-20-2007, 02:27 PM
The thing that is special about Brady Quinn is his leadership. Give him a couple years in the league and he will be greatly respected. David Carr has 0 respect. Respect for our QB helps in acquiring free agents and it also makes our players play at a higher level.

We do have alot of holes to fill and QB is one of them...regardless if you believe it or not. Having a QB that the team believes in and believes will be involved in the future of the team is very important. The team has got to look at Carr like he is a temporary QB for them.

Agreed. Carr has never been a team leader. Quinn, even as an immediate starter, would be able to win more of the close games than Carr ever could.

Carr needs to ride the bench behind a McNabb or a P. Manning to learn how to be a leader and then try his luck at being a starting QB in the NFL.

I beleive Carr would have played a bigger role in our success had he have been groomed rather than being thrown to the wolves. Quinn, on the other hand, is a proven leader and bears no comparison to David Carr regardless of what anyone says. Many of us have seen that he has proven talent. I challenge the nay sayers to prove that he is anything close to what they beleive Carr to be.

Gamehorn25
03-20-2007, 02:28 PM
Quinn couldn't carry Notre Dame, and he is going to carry the Texans?

That is the problem with Quinn, he is Carr redux. The Texans don't have enough players to help Quinn out.

Inherently, the riskiest picks to take in the first round, and particularly in the top 10 picks, are QB and RB. Just look at the the last 10 years of the first round, and particularly the first 10 picks, they are littered with underachieving QBs and RBs.

Every team needs a Franchise QB, but the problem is finding one!

If the Texans take Quinn and maybe even Peterson, they are making the same classic mistake back in 2002.

Build the lines on both sides of the ball and get some real secondary help. By the way, a real CB and safeties are generally taken very early in drafts.

A top 10 pick at QB needs to be seriously considered for the Hall of Fame to be considered a decent pick in retrospect, I don't see Quinn coming close to that in his NFL career.

Just because there is a need at QB, doesn't mean the Texans have to draft 1st round this year, or even address it at all. They could wait till next year and still get to .500 next year. If Kubiak is as good as coach as everyone thinks, he should be able to do that.

I probably would take Landry, but Peterson would be very tempting. But, you can get great value at the RB position in later rounds if the scouting is done properly.

Quinn couldn't win the big game in college, so what makes people think that he can win it with the Texans.

Laron Landry fixes our secondary, and him with Dunta would make our Defense so much better.

Exithios
03-20-2007, 02:34 PM
Quinn couldn't win the big game in college, so what makes people think that he can win it with the Texans.

Laron Landry fixes our secondary, and him with Dunta would make our Defense so much better.

The Big Game, as you put it, happens to be a game where the 2 best teams are pitted against each other.

How do you expect Quinn to win "The Big Game" against a top ranked team all by himself? Your comment is baseless.

TexansSeminole
03-20-2007, 02:35 PM
My only issue with Brady Quinn is obviously big games. He has never won a bowl game. In 2004 Notre Dame lost to Oregon State in the Insight Bowl. In 2005 Notre Dame lost to Ohio State in the Tostitos Fiesta Bowl. In 2006 Notre Dame lost to LSU in the Sugar Bowl. He also never beat USC. In the four years that he played against USC Notre Dame was outscored 164-79. Granted it's not all on Brady Quinn but I see a nasty reoccuring problem here that could be an issue for him in the NFL. The question is: Does Brady Quinn not play well under pressure or was it his teamates that folded in those games?

Ole Miss Texan
03-20-2007, 02:39 PM
My only issue with Brady Quinn is obviously big games. He has never won a bowl game. In 2004 Notre Dame lost to Oregon State in the Insight Bowl. In 2005 Notre Dame lost to Ohio State in the Tostitos Fiesta Bowl. In 2006 Notre Dame lost to LSU in the Sugar Bowl. He also never beat USC. In the four years that he played against USC Notre Dame was outscored 164-79. Granted it's not all on Brady Quinn but I see a nasty reoccuring problem here that could be an issue for him in the NFL. The question is: Does Brady Quinn not play well under pressure or was it his teamates that folded in those games?

In '05 ND should have beat USC...shoulda coulda would I know. Quinn had a good game imo, and Leinart simply just had an AMAZING last drive. i bring up ND's defense in all those big games...allowing an average of like 35+ points against top offenses. It's hard for any QB to win the big ones w/ that deficit.

If chosen by the Texans I hope it doesn't carry over to us. I think w/ the position we're in we need to build the rest of our team up. But it's hard to pass on the Franchise QB...but then again we did last year too...

Mr teX
03-20-2007, 02:46 PM
Peterson.............. Landry................Quinn, in that order for me.

texans83
03-20-2007, 02:48 PM
Quinn couldn't win the big game in college, so what makes people think that he can win it with the Texans.

Laron Landry fixes our secondary, and him with Dunta would make our Defense so much better.

OMH its you again posting this stupis ***** post, payton mean anything to you. He could never beat flordia but wow he just won the superbowl. ND has a horrible defense no excuse but second honey you say that he cant even lead the irish well if it wasent for BQ the irish would have never have been ranked at all this season IMO. BQ is one hell of a athlete and how can you say he dosent fit our scheme? Roll outs, quick, can move in and out of the pocket. How in the hell does he not fit?

Gamehorn25
03-20-2007, 02:49 PM
In '05 ND should have beat USC...shoulda coulda would I know. Quinn had a good game imo, and Leinart simply just had an AMAZING last drive. i bring up ND's defense in all those big games...allowing an average of like 35+ points against top offenses. It's hard for any QB to win the big ones w/ that deficit.

If chosen by the Texans I hope it doesn't carry over to us. I think w/ the position we're in we need to build the rest of our team up. But it's hard to pass on the Franchise QB...but then again we did last year too...

In 05 the ND defense played very well IMO, but the Bush push was the only way that USC won that game, that is also the only big game that BQ was anywhere close to winning

TexansSeminole
03-20-2007, 02:49 PM
In '05 ND should have beat USC...shoulda coulda would I know. Quinn had a good game imo, and Leinart simply just had an AMAZING last drive. i bring up ND's defense in all those big games...allowing an average of like 35+ points against top offenses. It's hard for any QB to win the big ones w/ that deficit.

If chosen by the Texans I hope it doesn't carry over to us. I think w/ the position we're in we need to build the rest of our team up. But it's hard to pass on the Franchise QB...but then again we did last year too...

Notre Dame's defense was pretty bad...but I am not sure it explains how he lost all seven of these big games. I do think it had alot to do with it though.

Gamehorn25
03-20-2007, 02:51 PM
OMH its you again posting this stupis ***** post, payton mean anything to you. He could never beat flordia but wow he just won the superbowl. ND has a horrible defense no excuse but second honey you say that he cant even lead the irish well if it wasent for BQ the irish would have never have been ranked at all this season IMO. BQ is one hell of a athlete and how can you say he dosent fit our scheme? Roll outs, quick, can move in and out of the pocket. How in the hell does he not fit?

All I said was that he couldn't win the big game, that is all.

Gamehorn25
03-20-2007, 02:54 PM
Notre Dame's defense was pretty bad...but I am not sure it explains how he lost all seven of these big games. I do think it had alot to do with it though.

I totally agree! Even though the Defense was horrible, it had to be a combination of the Defense and BQ to lose all of those games.

texans83
03-20-2007, 02:56 PM
I totally agree! Even though the Defense was horrible, it had to be a combination of the Defense and BQ to lose all of those games.

BQ threw for over 300 yards every one of them games and had itleast 3 touchdown through the air. How is that not good?

powerfuldragon
03-20-2007, 02:59 PM
Peterson, Quinn, Landry.

I think if we really need a Free Safety, we can get a nice one in the second.
I agree with this post.

Ole Miss Texan
03-20-2007, 03:04 PM
BQ threw for over 300 yards every one of them games and had itleast 3 touchdown through the air. How is that not good?

I'm not trying to be Pro or Con Quinn. I'm just telling it like I see it.

Quinn looked pretty good to me...

And no the defense didn't lose all of those games. Yes it is partly Quinn's fault and partly the Defense...or blame the WR or OL. The QB position is the leader of the team and will always be the most scruitinized player whether he warrants the blame or he doesn't..he'll always get it.

That '05 ND/USC game war real good. The last drive..the ND defense did all they could. The one throw Leinart made on 4th down to Dwayne Jarrett? was an incredible throw right on the money and the WR , i don't know how he could even see the ball. The Bush push helped a lot. Not to mention ND caused Leinart to fumble the ball on the goal line...lucky for him it 1) went out of bounds and 2) stopped the clock...other wise we wouldn't be having this arguement cuz Quinn would have won.

Sometimes it's just the last person that has the ball with a somewhat realistic shot of getting down field. sometimes luck let's you win those games..and bad luck lose them.


On a lighter note...we're still the last team to beat the Superbowl Champion Colts!!! LOL

Xman
03-20-2007, 03:49 PM
At least if we sit at the 8th spot - we probably have the decision made for us - whichever is left out of Quinn or AD (at least one will be gone) - if both are gone - then either Landry or DL

real
03-20-2007, 03:49 PM
Quinn couldn't win the big game in college, so
what makes people think that he can win it with the Texans.

I'm not sure how this can even be used as an argument when Peyton Manning just won the superbowl.

Laron Landry fixes our secondary, and him with Dunta would make our Defense so much better
.

Laron Landry doesn't "fix" our secondary. No one player can do that.

Laron Landry helps our whole defense with his run stopping ability, and good pass coverage skills.

Porky
03-20-2007, 03:49 PM
If all 3 were available, and they wont be, but in this hypotehtical, it's -

Quinn, Peterson, Landry

I like Landry alot. Great tackler for one thing. Good speed. Has all the tools you are looking for, but he is a FS for crying out loud. How many plays will he have a DIRECT impact on as opposed to a RB or QB? If these two guys are gone, I am ceretainly ok with Landry, but I might be tempted to go with Levi Brown, or one of the excellent Dlineman instead.

So, for me, it comes down to Quinn or Peterson. Looking at our current roster, after resiging Dayne and signing Green, we already are good at the RB spot. In addition, RB's have a short shelf life and AD has been injury prone although I am not extremely worried by his injuries. If all three were on the board, and they selected Peterson I would not be upset at all....but...

If I were picking, I would take Quinn. Carr is garbage. Sage is very unlikely to be the long term answer. A QB touches the ball on every offensive down and is the most important player on the field. A good QB can play at a high level for 12-15 years, and they are vital to the long term success of a franchise, and are far more important than any fs. I see some Matt Leinart in Quinn, and feel he will be a fine pro player. How good is open for debate, but I do not see this guy busting. Of course, there are no guarantees, but players bust at every position. Anyone remember Aundray Bruce?

texas mopar
03-20-2007, 04:16 PM
I know that this is mostly likely never going to happen, but for the sake of curiosity...if Adrain Peteson, Brady Quinn, and Laron Landry are there at #8, which player do you take and why? If Oakland does not take a QB with the 1st overall pick, don't be surprised if at least two of these players are there at #8.

AP if he's there if not let's fix one of our lines, BP is over rated IMO and Landry is going to be good , but I feel we can pick up a good DB in the 2nd. I think AP is going to be great and would rather have him than Bush.

hollywood_texan
03-20-2007, 04:46 PM
If I were picking, I would take Quinn. Carr is garbage. Sage is very unlikely to be the long term answer. A QB touches the ball on every offensive down and is the most important player on the field. A good QB can play at a high level for 12-15 years, and they are vital to the long term success of a franchise, and are far more important than any fs. I see some Matt Leinart in Quinn, and feel he will be a fine pro player. How good is open for debate, but I do not see this guy busting. Of course, there are no guarantees, but players bust at every position. Anyone remember Aundray Bruce?

QB's do touch the ball every offensive play (or at least should, unless there is some strange gadget play), but that doesn't mean Brady Quinn is a solution for the Texans or even a good fit for Quinn.

IMO, the Texans first pick in the draft needs to be a guy that can start and provide immediate impact. The most important goal next year is getting to .500 while not mortgaging the team's future. Brady Quinn probably isn't going to provide that much help to get the Texans to .500 and drafting first round for QB is hard to get out of, so it definitely mortgages the team's future.

The Texans really just need to leave the position open for a year and see how things shake out.

Brady Quinn has the measureables, but we all know that doesn't make a successful QB in the NFL. If the Texans take him in the first round, he needs to be able to put the team on his back and win a shoot out if it comes to that. Quinn had four years at Notre Dame, 2 years under Weiss, to prove he has "IT" and I just didn't see it. Like I said, he has the measureables, but that is Charlie Casserly draft logic and how we got into the Carr probelm.

Quinn is a nice prospect but guys like him are available every year. If the Texans were further along in talent in the defensive secondary and offensive line, I could understand considering him. But, this team has too many holes for a QB that touches the ball every play that probably can't carry an extra load. He couldn't carry the extra load at Notre Dame and he is suppose to as Texan while picking up the pieces because of the Carr fiasco? I just don't see it. We passed on the guy last year that could have done that.

Porky
03-20-2007, 04:52 PM
QB's do touch the ball every offensive play (or at least should, unless there is some strange gadget play), but that doesn't mean Brady Quinn is a solution for the Texans or even a good fit for Quinn.

IMO, the Texans first pick in the draft needs to be a guy that can start and provide immediate impact. The most important goal next year is getting to .500 while not mortgaging the team's future. Brady Quinn probably isn't going to provide that much help to get the Texans to .500 and drafting first round for QB is hard to get out of, so it definitely mortgages the team's future.

The Texans really just need to leave the position open for a year and see how things shake out.

Brady Quinn has the measureables, but we all know that doesn't make a successful QB in the NFL. If the Texans take him in the first round, he needs to be able to put the team on his back and win a shoot out if it comes to that. Quinn had four years at Notre Dame, 2 years under Weiss, to prove he has "IT" and I just didn't see it. Like I said, he has the measureables, but that is Charlie Casserly draft logic and how we got into the Carr probelm.

Quinn is a nice prospect but guys like him are available every year. If the Texans were further along in talent in the defensive secondary and offensive line, I could understand considering him. But, this team has too many holes for a QB that touches the ball every play that can't carry an extra load.

I'm not interested in getting to 500, I'm interested in winning the Super Bowl. If that means starting Sage this year while Brady sits, so be it. I'm not satisfied with strving for mediocrity. That's what all you can hope for with Carr. So, you advocate waiting another year, then drafting a QB when Carr again falls flat on his face, then we are just one more year away from good QB play. Sounds like a plan to me. :confused:

I also disagree with your analysis of Quinn. I seriousely doubt he is Tom Brady or Manning good, but who is to say he isn't either. I like him a lot better than you do. I don't see Carr in him at all, so not sure where you guys get that from. I think he turns into a solid pro, mabye not all-world, but a good solid Pro. To me that is worlds better than what we have now. :victory:

Gamehorn25
03-20-2007, 04:55 PM
If all 3 were available, and they wont be, but in this hypotehtical, it's -

Quinn, Peterson, Landry

I like Landry alot. Great tackler for one thing. Good speed. Has all the tools you are looking for, but he is a FS for crying out loud. How many plays will he have a DIRECT impact on as opposed to a RB or QB? If these two guys are gone, I am ceretainly ok with Landry, but I might be tempted to go with Levi Brown, or one of the excellent Dlineman instead.

So, for me, it comes down to Quinn or Peterson. Looking at our current roster, after resiging Dayne and signing Green, we already are good at the RB spot. In addition, RB's have a short shelf life and AD has been injury prone although I am not extremely worried by his injuries. If all three were on the board, and they selected Peterson I would not be upset at all....but...

If I were picking, I would take Quinn. Carr is garbage. Sage is very unlikely to be the long term answer. A QB touches the ball on every offensive down and is the most important player on the field. A good QB can play at a high level for 12-15 years, and they are vital to the long term success of a franchise, and are far more important than any fs. I see some Matt Leinart in Quinn, and feel he will be a fine pro player. How good is open for debate, but I do not see this guy busting. Of course, there are no guarantees, but players bust at every position. Anyone remember Aundray Bruce?

Matt Leinart didn't do great this year, it was his rookie year, so he deserves some slack. Leinart had three of the best position players at his disposal, and they are still picking at #5, that is especially bad because they were #10 last year.
If that is what think Quinn is, I don't want him on my team, I want Carr as QB, he got us to #8!

HomeBred_Texan
03-20-2007, 04:56 PM
Peterson....and it's not even close.

Exactly....

Then a QB in the 2008 draft when it is deep with some quality...

texans83
03-20-2007, 04:57 PM
I'm not interested in getting to 500, I'm interested in winning the Super Bowl. If that means starting Sage this year while Brady sits, so be it. I'm not satisfied with strving for mediocrity. That's what all you can hope for with Carr. So, you advocate waiting another year, then drafting a QB when Carr again falls flat on his face, then we are just one more year away from good QB play. Sounds like a plan to me. :confused:

I also disagree with your analysis of Quinn. I seriousely doubt he is Tom Brady or Manning good, but who is to say he isn't either. I like him a lot better than you do. I don't see Carr in him at all, so not sure where you guys get that from. I think he turns into a solid pro, mabye not all-world, but a good solid Pro. To me that is worlds better than what we have now. :victory:

im with you buddy!

hollywood_texan
03-20-2007, 05:11 PM
I'm not interested in getting to 500, I'm interested in winning the Super Bowl. If that means starting Sage this year while Brady sits, so be it. I'm not satisfied with strving for mediocrity. That's what all you can hope for with Carr. So, you advocate waiting another year, then drafting a QB when Carr again falls flat on his face, then we are just one more year away from good QB play. Sounds like a plan to me. :confused:

I also disagree with your analysis of Quinn. I seriousely doubt he is Tom Brady or Manning good, but who is to say he isn't either. I like him a lot better than you do. I don't see Carr in him at all, so not sure where you guys get that from. I think he turns into a solid pro, mabye not all-world, but a good solid Pro. To me that is worlds better than what we have now. :victory:

I would not draft a QB in the top 10 if I just felt he would be just a solid pro considering the current state of the squad.

My intent is not striving for mediocrity. Being successful in the NFL is long a process, and due to the competition and design of the sport, a fluke just isn't going to happen. Having said that, the Texans need to get to .500 first before they start thinking about the Super Bowl. Sure, it's the ultimate objective, but certain things need to be taken care of before that is a realistic goal, particularly if your team is in the AFC.

Drafting between 8 - 15 is prime ground for a taking a hard hitting safety that can really shore up your secondary in coverage. I believe Landry fills that bill completely.

I am not really against Brady Quinn, it's really about a good fit. I don't see Brady Quinn being the type of QB that is going to be required to get the Texans better faster. QB's like that don't come around very often. I just think we are going to be expecting more from Quinn than what he is able to deliver. That's how I see his Notre Dame career translating to the Texans if they draft him.

ReliantTexan
03-20-2007, 06:31 PM
Matt Leinart didn't do great this year, it was his rookie year, so he deserves some slack. Leinart had three of the best position players at his disposal, and they are still picking at #5, that is especially bad because they were #10 last year.
If that is what think Quinn is, I don't want him on my team, I want Carr as QB, he got us to #8!I think you're giving Carr to much credit.Did he ever single handedly win agame this year,did he win the Oakland game when he threw for thirty six yards no, we won because our defense played well and their offense was worse than ours.Now if we can win six games with Carr taking snaps just imagine with Quinn behind center.

sixfour
03-20-2007, 06:41 PM
I think you're giving Carr to much credit.Did he ever single handedly win agame this year,did he win the Oakland game when he threw for thirty six yards no, we won because our defense played well and their offense was worse than ours.Now if we can win six games with Carr taking snaps just imagine with Quinn behind center.


I'd really rather imagine something else.
Defense please.

ReliantTexan
03-20-2007, 08:42 PM
I'd really rather imagine something else.
Defense please.I don't know about you but I kinda got tired watching our offense go 3 and out,every other drive.

Navy_Chris
03-20-2007, 08:43 PM
I don't know about you but I kinda got tired watching our offense go 3 and out,every other drive.

...then watching Stanley punt the ball 44 yards in the air and it landing about 30 yards from the line of scrimmage.

ReliantTexan
03-20-2007, 08:45 PM
...then watching Stanley punt the ball 44 yards in the air and it landing about 30 yards from the line of scrimmage.Exactly.

Navy_Chris
03-20-2007, 08:47 PM
Exactly.

Can I be punter?

grahamcracker977
03-20-2007, 08:50 PM
You would probably beat out Stanley in training camp!
And by the way, my vote is for Landry...
Don't wanna pull trigger on qb the first day!

Navy_Chris
03-20-2007, 08:51 PM
You would probably beat Stanley in training camp!

:elmo:

grahamcracker977
03-20-2007, 08:54 PM
Start stretchin out now so you don't pull a groin!

Navy_Chris
03-20-2007, 08:56 PM
Start stretchin out now so you don't pull a groin!

Don't wanna pull a hammy do I? haha.

I think we could trade down and pick up Nelson in the early 20's and get a bigger playmaker...in my opinion.

kastofsna
03-20-2007, 10:17 PM
Matt Leinart didn't do great this year, it was his rookie year, so he deserves some slack. Leinart had three of the best position players at his disposal, and they are still picking at #5, that is especially bad because they were #10 last year.
If that is what think Quinn is, I don't want him on my team, I want Carr as QB, he got us to #8!
that's because arizona has no line, which moots any position players you may have. and when the line started to play well near the end of the season, look at the results. better performances all around.

DayneBum
03-21-2007, 09:11 AM
Laron, LAron, Laron.....in that order. The proof is in the pudding. As bad as the secondary got burnt last year. This guy is the best pick at #8 if availible for the texans.And they havent addresed the secondary in free agency. For those of u that dont think he's a game changer, look at Ed Reed, Bob Sanders, Mike Brown, Sean Taylor..etc....this guy is right in line with these guys...and a big play making FS is what the texans need to finalize the piece of the defense. oh, and they will draft about 2 more corners.

And dont forget his brother plays for the Ravens, and he wasnt even a 1st rd pick, and he was huge for the ravens last year. :twocents: